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I intended no insult. Dead people, however, cannot be put on trail, let alone convicted of anything. Asking for a conviction before calling someone caught in the act a murderer just is a bit silly, since that criterion can never be met. It is not "biased language", it's calling a spade a spade. Kleuske ( talk) 17:09, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Crying at times, the tipster said she was devastated by the rampage that began when Mixon shot Sgt. Mark Dunakin, 40, and Officer John Hege, 41, with a pistol shortly after being pulled over at 74th Avenue and MacArthur Boulevard
SWAT officers soon raided the apartment, bashing in the door while throwing nonlethal shock grenades. Two more officers, Sgts. Ervin Romans, 43, and Daniel Sakai, 35, were killed there by Mixon, who fired an assault rifle from a closet. Another SWAT officer, Sgt. Pat Gonzales, was wounded. Three other officers returned fire and killed Mixon.
Mixon had previously served six years in state prison for assault with a firearm during an armed robbery in San Francisco, his family said.
— NBC
I've read all of the articles. Do you notice that the papers are using the word kill instead of murder? Do you know why? Because Mixon cannot be a murderer without being charged and convicted as such. It's an impossibility. It's a simple fact that this is the way the US justice system is set up. You don't have to like it but it's not really something that can be an opinion. For instance, I can't go to the Eric Gardner page and say the cops who killed him murdered him even if I think it fits because they were not charged and convicted as such. As an historian, I would not be able to use the word "murder" for the same reason, though I could try to lay out an argument for it. In this case, we are not trying to make an argument, which we are not doing. The fact that he violated parole and was armed is immaterial to whether or not he committed murder. It may be true, but there are a lot of people violate parole and who are armed. Nothing to do with whether or not he killed cops. This is literally a bias against people with criminal records in the most clear and obvious sense. I am acutely aware of my own biases thanks to my education. Not overstating circumstances is a big part of that, as is using words correctly. This cannot be murder. Rampage is arguable (and since WP takes anything a paper says it would be allowed here), his other crimes are immaterial to this event.
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I intended no insult. Dead people, however, cannot be put on trail, let alone convicted of anything. Asking for a conviction before calling someone caught in the act a murderer just is a bit silly, since that criterion can never be met. It is not "biased language", it's calling a spade a spade. Kleuske ( talk) 17:09, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Crying at times, the tipster said she was devastated by the rampage that began when Mixon shot Sgt. Mark Dunakin, 40, and Officer John Hege, 41, with a pistol shortly after being pulled over at 74th Avenue and MacArthur Boulevard
SWAT officers soon raided the apartment, bashing in the door while throwing nonlethal shock grenades. Two more officers, Sgts. Ervin Romans, 43, and Daniel Sakai, 35, were killed there by Mixon, who fired an assault rifle from a closet. Another SWAT officer, Sgt. Pat Gonzales, was wounded. Three other officers returned fire and killed Mixon.
Mixon had previously served six years in state prison for assault with a firearm during an armed robbery in San Francisco, his family said.
— NBC
I've read all of the articles. Do you notice that the papers are using the word kill instead of murder? Do you know why? Because Mixon cannot be a murderer without being charged and convicted as such. It's an impossibility. It's a simple fact that this is the way the US justice system is set up. You don't have to like it but it's not really something that can be an opinion. For instance, I can't go to the Eric Gardner page and say the cops who killed him murdered him even if I think it fits because they were not charged and convicted as such. As an historian, I would not be able to use the word "murder" for the same reason, though I could try to lay out an argument for it. In this case, we are not trying to make an argument, which we are not doing. The fact that he violated parole and was armed is immaterial to whether or not he committed murder. It may be true, but there are a lot of people violate parole and who are armed. Nothing to do with whether or not he killed cops. This is literally a bias against people with criminal records in the most clear and obvious sense. I am acutely aware of my own biases thanks to my education. Not overstating circumstances is a big part of that, as is using words correctly. This cannot be murder. Rampage is arguable (and since WP takes anything a paper says it would be allowed here), his other crimes are immaterial to this event.