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--Dori What a silly comment by you! Wikipedia has gazillions of "external links" which are meant to provide readers with documentation for whatever assertions are made. In my case, I provided a link to a report based upon the first-time-released FBI personnel file of W. Cleon Skousen (which totals about 1500 pages!).
How do you propose that a knowledgeable researcher should share such data, available for the first time? Either you can send me $175 for cost of photocopying all the documents I received plus another $25 for postage costs, and I can then SEND YOU Skousen's FBI file so you can create whatever article YOU think is appropriate about his background OR you should allow me to post a link to my 11-page summary report.
Incidentally, here is the absolutely most absurd part: portions of the EXISTING article on Skousen on Wikipedia was written by someone who had access to MY documents and he used MY summary from when I received the initial FBI release a few years ago! However, the article also contains falsehoods. SHAME ON YOU!
Replying to your misundertsandings at Talk:Wayward Pines#Non-Credible Plot: As fas as I can tell, their power source could be a waterfall coming down from the mountain which harbors Pilcher's observation headquarters. A waterfall like that alone could generate enough power for a town the size of Wayward Pines if it'd drive a turbine or if there'd be some kind of hydroelectric power dam for even more efficient use of the water. Gas would be tricky indeed, but maybe their cars run on electricity? Pilcher's all about the environment and climate change, after all. But I must admit they *SOUND* like gas-driven cars.
As for Hassler, you got the date wrong. The date when he took the video of destroyed San Francisco was not in 2040, it was in 4020, only eight years prior to the arrival of Ethan Burke and his family. And the reason why he went to San Francisco is obviously because he needed to see it for himself for some reason.
And the reason why the Secret Service kept sending in agents was obviously because Pilcher demanded agents from the service to cryogenically send them into the 4020s in order to have more efficient lawkeepers in case things would get rough within the community he was planning. After every reckoning, the victims are always left out to rot to serve as public examples to warn everybody who'd dare questioning Pilcher's rules. And that's also why the bar lady knows, because all reckonings in Waywanrd Pines are public and it's obligatory for every community member to witness them. And the entire reason why Bill was given a recknoning is that he had been plotting against Pilcher's rules by trying to flee so he had to be made an example by another public reckoning.
The very fact that Pilcher has learned via Group A that the citizens of Wayward Pines musn't know what really happened (or else they'd go crazy and run amuck) is the very reason as to why Pilcher now keeps everything a big secret from Group B and has introduced these reckonings for them. The only ones who really know about the outside world are Pilcher and his followers who are the only citizens of Wayward Pines that *ARE NO* abductees. All the members of his team volunteered to their cryogenic time travel because they believed in him and his ideas, unlike the many abductees that the majority of Wayward Pines is made of.
Finally, we don't know much about abbies or when they actually began to appear. This is clearly another misundertsanding on your part because you think Hassler's video would be from 2040, when it's really from 4020.
If you're looking for plotholes, they're definitely to be found in other places. How and why did they preserve the original phone answering machine's message of Ethan's wife for 2,000 years? It seems such a minute detail. Why did they put Ethan in the middle of the forrest to wake up when they could've just as well made him come to in Wayward Pones hispital? In flashbacks years before Pilcher began abducting people, we see him looking younger and with long hair, around the time of the abduction of Ethan and his family, we see him middle-aged and with short hair, but when he emerges from the cryo-tank, he suddenly looks young and with long hair again for another few years.
Why did Pilcher have to change his name and use an alias in the future? None of the abductees knew he even existed back in the early 21st century. Much of the dialogues in the flashbacks as told by Pilcher sound very hollow and clichee'd with him as this innocent, all-knowing, utterly selfless messiah that everyone fanatically looks up to, in fact so badly so it all rings false, like it's something he doesn't even believe in for himself as the true story as to what happened (it's a kind of false tone they used on The X-Files at times to tell us this is not what really happened but what an unreliable narrator would prefer to have happened). The Pilcher we hear from during his re-told flashbacks is a very different person from the one we actually see in flesh and blood, and it's not just because the years of survival and establishing his tyrannic rule in Wayward Pines have changed him.
The same utterly false ring, only with a seemingly more sinister intent, can be heard when the hypno-therapist teaches the kids about their world, obviously using rhethorics and persuasion techniques you know from cults, and her telling them they can't tell it to their parents seems not just because otherwise, their parents would run amuck.
So, bottom line: I'm on episode 9 of season 1 now, and I'm still looking forward to another big sham and hoax being uncovered about Wayward Pines, though the truth may not be what the resistance fighters to Pilcher's rule may have thought it was. -- 79.242.219.119 ( talk) 22:52, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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The ultimate problem with some of the articles on Wiki is this: On some subjects, there has been very little scholarly research done. Sometimes (for example) the official records of an organization are NOT available to independent researchers because the organization does not want anything to be published which reflects adverse information about their group. So, then, what is left? There are (of course) newspaper and magazine articles as well as internet content but HOW are those sources substantiated? Often, there is no way to do so. In many instances (especially with respect to extreme right organizations), Wiki uses sources which your authors deem "reliable" merely because those sources repeat assertions or statements made by previous authors but those previous authors did not have the remotest clue whether or not what they wrote was accurate and truthful because there was no way to validate what was claimed.
What Wiki fails to understand is this: There are always lots of people who have a special interest in some subject matter and those folks often go to great expense and effort to discover new FACTUAL sources of information which often have been hidden for long periods. Example: until relatively recently NOBODY had ever made FOIA requests to the FBI to request files that pertained to the number of FBI informants inside the Communist Party USA and other radical organizations (left or right). Consequently, the ONLY numerical information you can find was written by persons who ESTIMATED (aka guessed at) the number of FBI informants. BY CONTRAST: I stumbled upon the exact numbers by making FOIA requests for the personnel files of senior FBI officials AND requests for annual inspection reports of the FBI's Domestic Intelligence Division. I was the FIRST AND ONLY person to ever make such requests and, guess what? I found confidential and secret documentary evidence which revealed for the FIRST time, the exact number of FBI informants inside "subversive" and "criminal" and "racial" organizations.
Now, according to YOUR standards, nothing I present is acceptable because I am not a published author (other than my online reports). You may see the CPUSA-related statistical info here: https://sites.google.com/site/xrt013/cpusa1
Now--going back to the John Birch Society: your moderator chose to attack and defame me despite the indisputable FACT that over a period of 50+ years I have accumulated a massive amount of factual primary source documentary evidence from a variety of sources including: FBI files, military intelligence files, personal papers of key figures within the Birch Society which are archived at various colleges, universities and state historical societies, private correspondence by senior JBS officials (including JBS National Council members), along with hundreds of JBS publications. Can your moderators say anything comparable?
Here is something you might want to consider: Contact the author(s) of any book or article or doctoral dissertation or master's thesis written about the Birch Society or about the extreme right in the U.S. during the past 15 years. Then report back to Wiki readers what percentage of those folks are familiar with my research and have used material they received from ME!
HERE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES: (search for "Lazar" in each link)
DOCTORAL DISSERTATIONS:
Brenner, Samuel: 2009 Brown University dissertation "Shouting At the Rain" http://samuelbrenner.com/images/shouting%20at%20the%20rain%20-%20final%20submission.pdf [Incidentally, Dr. Brenner came to my home and copied hundreds of pages of documents from my FBI file collection]
Savage, James A., "Save Our Republic: Battling John Birch in California's Conservative Cradle" (2015).Theses and Dissertations-- History. Paper 25. http://uknowledge.uky.edu/history_etds/25
OTHER SOURCES:
Academic articles about the KKK and other white supremacist groups which were written by the late Dr. John Drabble. You will see numerous references in his articles which mention documents which he obtained from my collection and which informed his articles published in academic journals. As merely one example, see:
"The FBI, COINTELPRO-WHITE HATE, and the Decline of Ku Klux Klan Organizations in Alabama, 1964 –1971" published in the January 2008 issue of Alabama Review. [Dr. Drabble came to my home and copied thousands of pages of documents from my FBI file collection].
You may also check out the archives of the Rachel Maddow program on MSNBC for December 23, 2010. During that broadcast concerning the Birch Society -- Rachel used material she received from me and she credited me on air for that material.
You can read the transcript of Rachel's segment which mentions me here: http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/rachel-maddow-show/2009-12-23
MORE EXAMPLES:
Matthew Cecil: FBI and CIA Documents Online https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08821127.2017.1419767 American Journalism, Volume 35, 2018 - Issue #1, pages 123-125
Sylvester A. Johnson and Steven Weitzman: The FBI and Religion: Faith and National Security Before and After 9/11 [University of California Press, 2017, 376pp]. https://books.google.com/books?id=qaowDwAAQBAJ&dq=ernie+lazar+and+FBI&q=lazar#v=snippet&q=lazar&f=false Page 306 footnote #33 cites serial #112 from my FBI file “Communism and Religion” and then adds, “This memo and many of the other FBI files cited in this chapter are available in the Ernie Lazar FOIA Collection on Internet Archive.”
Digital HUAC – March 21, 2015 https://twitter.com/DigitalHUAC
Emory University Seminar Resources (by Dr. Harvey Klehr) http://polisci.emory.edu/home/neh_2018/resources/index.html
J.M. Berger: “The Turner Legacy: The Storied Origins and Enduring Impact of White Nationalism’s Deadly Bible”, 2016, 50pp [Cites my FOIA research on William Pierce.] https://icct.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ICCT-Berger-The-Turner-Legacy-September2016-2.pdf
Terry Lautz: John Birch: A Life [Oxford, December 2015, 344pp] https://books.google.com/books?id=xfzDCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT265&dq=john+birch:+a+life&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjk8LGt25DKAhVQxWMKHZE5CeAQ6AEIJjAC#v=onepage&q=lazar&f=false
Stuart Wexler: America’s Secret Jihad: The Hidden History of Religious Terrorism in the United States [Counterpoint, August 2015, 384pp]. He cites me in Acknowledgements and on pages 75 and 212 https://books.google.com/books?id=yJEwCgAAQBAJ&dq=America%27s+Secret+Jihad+%3A+The+Hidden+History+of+Religious+Terrorism&q=lazar#v=snippet&q=lazar&f=false
MISCELLANEOUS WEBSITES CITING ME: History of American Communism website: https://networks.h-net.org/node/6077/search/lazar Mapping American Social Movements (University of Washington) http://depts.washington.edu/moves/CP_map-members.shtml WhittakerChambers.org website: http://whittakerchambers.org/2015/07/01/fbi-vault-on-hiss-case/ MARY FERRELL WEBSITE: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Other_Resources.html Arizona Central website: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa/2014/07/14/mesa-charter-school-religion/12615041/ Fardell’s Bear website: https://altrightorigins.com/2018/03/28/sheriffs-racists-koch/ Tamiment Library – New York University http://dlib.nyu.edu/findingaids/html/tamwag/tam_576/admininfo.html DeSmog Blog website: https://www.desmogblog.com/john-birch-society#s40 Freedom Press News website: https://freedompressnewsblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/12/declassified-historical-figure-groups-fbi-files/ Bluestem Prairie website: http://www.bluestemprairie.com/bluestemprairie/2012/07/whats-so-extreme-about-cindy-pugh-curtis-bowers-in-swm-tea-partys-latest-video-for-one.html Crooks and Liars website: https://crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-exposes-john-birch-society-c Conspiracy Archive website: https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/10/30/frank-gigliotti-minister-freemason-oss-and-cia/
Robbie Maxwell: “A Shooting Star of Conservatism”: George S. Benson, the National Education Program and the “Radical Right” = Journal of American Studies, December 2017, pages 1-29 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-american-studies/article/shooting-star-of-conservatism-george-s-benson-the-national-education-program-and-the-radical-right/ED5F8D1FA88B2111E065EDCF388E5901
Various authors (Mark Rupert): The Long Duree of the Far Right: An International Historical Sociology [Routlefge, August 2014, 238pp]. I am cited for info in my Skousen report https://books.google.com/books?id=xXJeBAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false
Bill Minutaglio and Steven L. Davis: Dallas 1963 [Twelve, October 2013, 384pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=AA11Njdo178C&pg=PT285&dq=ernie+lazar&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kBiBUpPNGc-YigL954CIBw&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=ernie%20lazar&f=false
Claire Conner: Wrapped in the Flag: A Personal History of America’s Radical Right [Beacon Press, July 2013, 264pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=JWPhb5Jet-wC&pg=PT150&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=phqBUr3BEYaJjAKu74GgBA&ved=0CGgQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Lee Fang: The Machine: A Field Guide to the Resurgent Right [The New Press, January 2013] http://books.google.com/books?id=Ym2ZoGRteoYC&pg=PT64&dq=ernie+lazar&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kBiBUpPNGc-YigL954CIBw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=ernie%20lazar&f=false
David Livingstone: Black Terror, White Soldiers: Islam, Fascism and the New Age [Create Space Independent Publishing, June 2013, 712pp] cites my Skousen and Mullins info http://books.google.com/books?id=FYy7TTmQoD4C&pg=PA678&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=phqBUr3BEYaJjAKu74GgBA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Arthur Goldwag: The New Hate: A History of Fear and Loathing on the Populist Right [Random House, September 2012, 378pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=VlMuXEWD8hoC&pg=PA334&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=phqBUr3BEYaJjAKu74GgBA&ved=0CF4Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Seth Rosenfeld: Subversives: The FBI’s War on Student Radicals and Reagan’s Rise To Power [Macmillan, August 2012, 752pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=_dQFZ4AIJsAC&pg=PA695&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=phqBUr3BEYaJjAKu74GgBA&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Ivan Greenberg: Surveillance in America: Critical Analysis of the FBI, 1920 To The Present [Lexington Books, May 2012, 330pp]\ http://books.google.com/books?id=Rl_AJyXtytwC&pg=PA43&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6B2BUpaJEoaAiwK6-4GYBw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Kathleen M. Blee and Sandra McGee: Women of the Right: Comparisons and Interplay Across Borders [Penn State Press, February 2012, 320pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=wAKBlaRvBxAC&pg=PA254&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6B2BUpaJEoaAiwK6-4GYBw&ved=0CEgQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Terry Melanson: Perfectibilists: The 18th Century Bavarian Order of the Illuminati [Trine Day, December 2011, 531pp] https://books.google.com/books?id=SH-1BQAAQBAJ&pg=PT105&dq=ernie+lazar&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjk8_We3JDKAhVRymMKHeydA5UQ6AEIUDAJ#v=onepage&q=lazar&f=false
Ivan Greenberg: The Dangers of Dissent: The FBI and Civil Liberties Since 1965 [Lexington Books, October 2010, 344pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=ErCHQ4so9VEC&pg=PA219&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=phqBUr3BEYaJjAKu74GgBA&ved=0CFgQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Alex Heard: The Eyes of Willie McGee: A Tragedy of Race, Sex, and Secrets in the Jim Crow South [Harper Collins, June 2010, 432pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=LJofSQNs-BwC&pg=PA352&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6B2BUpaJEoaAiwK6-4GYBw&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Alexander Zaitchik: Common Nonsense: Glenn Beck and The Triumph of Ignorance [John Wiley & Sons, April 2010, 272pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=LIDYmd2ibVQC&pg=PA217&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6B2BUpaJEoaAiwK6-4GYBw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Alexander Zaitchik: Meet the Man Who Changed Glenn Beck’s Life Salon.com website, 09/16/2009 https://www.salon.com/2009/09/16/beck_skousen/
Chip Berlet and Matthew Lyons: Right Wing Populism in America: Too Close For Comfort [Guilford Press, 2000, 499pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=Md1aRhWNk1QC&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&q=lazar#v=snippet&q=lazar&f=false
David Bollier: Liberty and Justice For Some: Defending A Free Society From The Radical Right’s Holy War on Democracy [People For The American Way, Ungar Publishing Co. October 1982, 324pp]
John Haynes Message re my CPUSA File List on H-HOAC 4/20/13
Society For U.S. Intellectual History (Facebook page) 4/15/13 https://www.facebook.com/groups/39928567889/
I therefore DEMAND that you delete that reference in your article since it ultimately is based upon MY research. IN ADDITION: I HEREBY PERMANENTLY REFUSE permission for Wikipedia to use ANYTHING I have spent my lifetime acquiring, and I demand that you PERMANENTLY DELETE all references on Wikipedia that are using material which I discovered and which cite me as the source. So unless you can cite a reference which is NOT originally ME -- you should remove all such "documentation" because you DO NOT consider me as a "reliable source".
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--Dori What a silly comment by you! Wikipedia has gazillions of "external links" which are meant to provide readers with documentation for whatever assertions are made. In my case, I provided a link to a report based upon the first-time-released FBI personnel file of W. Cleon Skousen (which totals about 1500 pages!).
How do you propose that a knowledgeable researcher should share such data, available for the first time? Either you can send me $175 for cost of photocopying all the documents I received plus another $25 for postage costs, and I can then SEND YOU Skousen's FBI file so you can create whatever article YOU think is appropriate about his background OR you should allow me to post a link to my 11-page summary report.
Incidentally, here is the absolutely most absurd part: portions of the EXISTING article on Skousen on Wikipedia was written by someone who had access to MY documents and he used MY summary from when I received the initial FBI release a few years ago! However, the article also contains falsehoods. SHAME ON YOU!
Replying to your misundertsandings at Talk:Wayward Pines#Non-Credible Plot: As fas as I can tell, their power source could be a waterfall coming down from the mountain which harbors Pilcher's observation headquarters. A waterfall like that alone could generate enough power for a town the size of Wayward Pines if it'd drive a turbine or if there'd be some kind of hydroelectric power dam for even more efficient use of the water. Gas would be tricky indeed, but maybe their cars run on electricity? Pilcher's all about the environment and climate change, after all. But I must admit they *SOUND* like gas-driven cars.
As for Hassler, you got the date wrong. The date when he took the video of destroyed San Francisco was not in 2040, it was in 4020, only eight years prior to the arrival of Ethan Burke and his family. And the reason why he went to San Francisco is obviously because he needed to see it for himself for some reason.
And the reason why the Secret Service kept sending in agents was obviously because Pilcher demanded agents from the service to cryogenically send them into the 4020s in order to have more efficient lawkeepers in case things would get rough within the community he was planning. After every reckoning, the victims are always left out to rot to serve as public examples to warn everybody who'd dare questioning Pilcher's rules. And that's also why the bar lady knows, because all reckonings in Waywanrd Pines are public and it's obligatory for every community member to witness them. And the entire reason why Bill was given a recknoning is that he had been plotting against Pilcher's rules by trying to flee so he had to be made an example by another public reckoning.
The very fact that Pilcher has learned via Group A that the citizens of Wayward Pines musn't know what really happened (or else they'd go crazy and run amuck) is the very reason as to why Pilcher now keeps everything a big secret from Group B and has introduced these reckonings for them. The only ones who really know about the outside world are Pilcher and his followers who are the only citizens of Wayward Pines that *ARE NO* abductees. All the members of his team volunteered to their cryogenic time travel because they believed in him and his ideas, unlike the many abductees that the majority of Wayward Pines is made of.
Finally, we don't know much about abbies or when they actually began to appear. This is clearly another misundertsanding on your part because you think Hassler's video would be from 2040, when it's really from 4020.
If you're looking for plotholes, they're definitely to be found in other places. How and why did they preserve the original phone answering machine's message of Ethan's wife for 2,000 years? It seems such a minute detail. Why did they put Ethan in the middle of the forrest to wake up when they could've just as well made him come to in Wayward Pones hispital? In flashbacks years before Pilcher began abducting people, we see him looking younger and with long hair, around the time of the abduction of Ethan and his family, we see him middle-aged and with short hair, but when he emerges from the cryo-tank, he suddenly looks young and with long hair again for another few years.
Why did Pilcher have to change his name and use an alias in the future? None of the abductees knew he even existed back in the early 21st century. Much of the dialogues in the flashbacks as told by Pilcher sound very hollow and clichee'd with him as this innocent, all-knowing, utterly selfless messiah that everyone fanatically looks up to, in fact so badly so it all rings false, like it's something he doesn't even believe in for himself as the true story as to what happened (it's a kind of false tone they used on The X-Files at times to tell us this is not what really happened but what an unreliable narrator would prefer to have happened). The Pilcher we hear from during his re-told flashbacks is a very different person from the one we actually see in flesh and blood, and it's not just because the years of survival and establishing his tyrannic rule in Wayward Pines have changed him.
The same utterly false ring, only with a seemingly more sinister intent, can be heard when the hypno-therapist teaches the kids about their world, obviously using rhethorics and persuasion techniques you know from cults, and her telling them they can't tell it to their parents seems not just because otherwise, their parents would run amuck.
So, bottom line: I'm on episode 9 of season 1 now, and I'm still looking forward to another big sham and hoax being uncovered about Wayward Pines, though the truth may not be what the resistance fighters to Pilcher's rule may have thought it was. -- 79.242.219.119 ( talk) 22:52, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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The ultimate problem with some of the articles on Wiki is this: On some subjects, there has been very little scholarly research done. Sometimes (for example) the official records of an organization are NOT available to independent researchers because the organization does not want anything to be published which reflects adverse information about their group. So, then, what is left? There are (of course) newspaper and magazine articles as well as internet content but HOW are those sources substantiated? Often, there is no way to do so. In many instances (especially with respect to extreme right organizations), Wiki uses sources which your authors deem "reliable" merely because those sources repeat assertions or statements made by previous authors but those previous authors did not have the remotest clue whether or not what they wrote was accurate and truthful because there was no way to validate what was claimed.
What Wiki fails to understand is this: There are always lots of people who have a special interest in some subject matter and those folks often go to great expense and effort to discover new FACTUAL sources of information which often have been hidden for long periods. Example: until relatively recently NOBODY had ever made FOIA requests to the FBI to request files that pertained to the number of FBI informants inside the Communist Party USA and other radical organizations (left or right). Consequently, the ONLY numerical information you can find was written by persons who ESTIMATED (aka guessed at) the number of FBI informants. BY CONTRAST: I stumbled upon the exact numbers by making FOIA requests for the personnel files of senior FBI officials AND requests for annual inspection reports of the FBI's Domestic Intelligence Division. I was the FIRST AND ONLY person to ever make such requests and, guess what? I found confidential and secret documentary evidence which revealed for the FIRST time, the exact number of FBI informants inside "subversive" and "criminal" and "racial" organizations.
Now, according to YOUR standards, nothing I present is acceptable because I am not a published author (other than my online reports). You may see the CPUSA-related statistical info here: https://sites.google.com/site/xrt013/cpusa1
Now--going back to the John Birch Society: your moderator chose to attack and defame me despite the indisputable FACT that over a period of 50+ years I have accumulated a massive amount of factual primary source documentary evidence from a variety of sources including: FBI files, military intelligence files, personal papers of key figures within the Birch Society which are archived at various colleges, universities and state historical societies, private correspondence by senior JBS officials (including JBS National Council members), along with hundreds of JBS publications. Can your moderators say anything comparable?
Here is something you might want to consider: Contact the author(s) of any book or article or doctoral dissertation or master's thesis written about the Birch Society or about the extreme right in the U.S. during the past 15 years. Then report back to Wiki readers what percentage of those folks are familiar with my research and have used material they received from ME!
HERE ARE JUST A FEW EXAMPLES: (search for "Lazar" in each link)
DOCTORAL DISSERTATIONS:
Brenner, Samuel: 2009 Brown University dissertation "Shouting At the Rain" http://samuelbrenner.com/images/shouting%20at%20the%20rain%20-%20final%20submission.pdf [Incidentally, Dr. Brenner came to my home and copied hundreds of pages of documents from my FBI file collection]
Savage, James A., "Save Our Republic: Battling John Birch in California's Conservative Cradle" (2015).Theses and Dissertations-- History. Paper 25. http://uknowledge.uky.edu/history_etds/25
OTHER SOURCES:
Academic articles about the KKK and other white supremacist groups which were written by the late Dr. John Drabble. You will see numerous references in his articles which mention documents which he obtained from my collection and which informed his articles published in academic journals. As merely one example, see:
"The FBI, COINTELPRO-WHITE HATE, and the Decline of Ku Klux Klan Organizations in Alabama, 1964 –1971" published in the January 2008 issue of Alabama Review. [Dr. Drabble came to my home and copied thousands of pages of documents from my FBI file collection].
You may also check out the archives of the Rachel Maddow program on MSNBC for December 23, 2010. During that broadcast concerning the Birch Society -- Rachel used material she received from me and she credited me on air for that material.
You can read the transcript of Rachel's segment which mentions me here: http://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/rachel-maddow-show/2009-12-23
MORE EXAMPLES:
Matthew Cecil: FBI and CIA Documents Online https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08821127.2017.1419767 American Journalism, Volume 35, 2018 - Issue #1, pages 123-125
Sylvester A. Johnson and Steven Weitzman: The FBI and Religion: Faith and National Security Before and After 9/11 [University of California Press, 2017, 376pp]. https://books.google.com/books?id=qaowDwAAQBAJ&dq=ernie+lazar+and+FBI&q=lazar#v=snippet&q=lazar&f=false Page 306 footnote #33 cites serial #112 from my FBI file “Communism and Religion” and then adds, “This memo and many of the other FBI files cited in this chapter are available in the Ernie Lazar FOIA Collection on Internet Archive.”
Digital HUAC – March 21, 2015 https://twitter.com/DigitalHUAC
Emory University Seminar Resources (by Dr. Harvey Klehr) http://polisci.emory.edu/home/neh_2018/resources/index.html
J.M. Berger: “The Turner Legacy: The Storied Origins and Enduring Impact of White Nationalism’s Deadly Bible”, 2016, 50pp [Cites my FOIA research on William Pierce.] https://icct.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/ICCT-Berger-The-Turner-Legacy-September2016-2.pdf
Terry Lautz: John Birch: A Life [Oxford, December 2015, 344pp] https://books.google.com/books?id=xfzDCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT265&dq=john+birch:+a+life&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjk8LGt25DKAhVQxWMKHZE5CeAQ6AEIJjAC#v=onepage&q=lazar&f=false
Stuart Wexler: America’s Secret Jihad: The Hidden History of Religious Terrorism in the United States [Counterpoint, August 2015, 384pp]. He cites me in Acknowledgements and on pages 75 and 212 https://books.google.com/books?id=yJEwCgAAQBAJ&dq=America%27s+Secret+Jihad+%3A+The+Hidden+History+of+Religious+Terrorism&q=lazar#v=snippet&q=lazar&f=false
MISCELLANEOUS WEBSITES CITING ME: History of American Communism website: https://networks.h-net.org/node/6077/search/lazar Mapping American Social Movements (University of Washington) http://depts.washington.edu/moves/CP_map-members.shtml WhittakerChambers.org website: http://whittakerchambers.org/2015/07/01/fbi-vault-on-hiss-case/ MARY FERRELL WEBSITE: https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Other_Resources.html Arizona Central website: https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/mesa/2014/07/14/mesa-charter-school-religion/12615041/ Fardell’s Bear website: https://altrightorigins.com/2018/03/28/sheriffs-racists-koch/ Tamiment Library – New York University http://dlib.nyu.edu/findingaids/html/tamwag/tam_576/admininfo.html DeSmog Blog website: https://www.desmogblog.com/john-birch-society#s40 Freedom Press News website: https://freedompressnewsblog.wordpress.com/2017/02/12/declassified-historical-figure-groups-fbi-files/ Bluestem Prairie website: http://www.bluestemprairie.com/bluestemprairie/2012/07/whats-so-extreme-about-cindy-pugh-curtis-bowers-in-swm-tea-partys-latest-video-for-one.html Crooks and Liars website: https://crooksandliars.com/heather/rachel-maddow-exposes-john-birch-society-c Conspiracy Archive website: https://www.conspiracyarchive.com/2015/10/30/frank-gigliotti-minister-freemason-oss-and-cia/
Robbie Maxwell: “A Shooting Star of Conservatism”: George S. Benson, the National Education Program and the “Radical Right” = Journal of American Studies, December 2017, pages 1-29 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-american-studies/article/shooting-star-of-conservatism-george-s-benson-the-national-education-program-and-the-radical-right/ED5F8D1FA88B2111E065EDCF388E5901
Various authors (Mark Rupert): The Long Duree of the Far Right: An International Historical Sociology [Routlefge, August 2014, 238pp]. I am cited for info in my Skousen report https://books.google.com/books?id=xXJeBAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false
Bill Minutaglio and Steven L. Davis: Dallas 1963 [Twelve, October 2013, 384pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=AA11Njdo178C&pg=PT285&dq=ernie+lazar&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kBiBUpPNGc-YigL954CIBw&ved=0CE8Q6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=ernie%20lazar&f=false
Claire Conner: Wrapped in the Flag: A Personal History of America’s Radical Right [Beacon Press, July 2013, 264pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=JWPhb5Jet-wC&pg=PT150&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=phqBUr3BEYaJjAKu74GgBA&ved=0CGgQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Lee Fang: The Machine: A Field Guide to the Resurgent Right [The New Press, January 2013] http://books.google.com/books?id=Ym2ZoGRteoYC&pg=PT64&dq=ernie+lazar&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kBiBUpPNGc-YigL954CIBw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=ernie%20lazar&f=false
David Livingstone: Black Terror, White Soldiers: Islam, Fascism and the New Age [Create Space Independent Publishing, June 2013, 712pp] cites my Skousen and Mullins info http://books.google.com/books?id=FYy7TTmQoD4C&pg=PA678&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=phqBUr3BEYaJjAKu74GgBA&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Arthur Goldwag: The New Hate: A History of Fear and Loathing on the Populist Right [Random House, September 2012, 378pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=VlMuXEWD8hoC&pg=PA334&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=phqBUr3BEYaJjAKu74GgBA&ved=0CF4Q6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Seth Rosenfeld: Subversives: The FBI’s War on Student Radicals and Reagan’s Rise To Power [Macmillan, August 2012, 752pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=_dQFZ4AIJsAC&pg=PA695&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=phqBUr3BEYaJjAKu74GgBA&ved=0CFIQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Ivan Greenberg: Surveillance in America: Critical Analysis of the FBI, 1920 To The Present [Lexington Books, May 2012, 330pp]\ http://books.google.com/books?id=Rl_AJyXtytwC&pg=PA43&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6B2BUpaJEoaAiwK6-4GYBw&ved=0CE0Q6AEwBDgK#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Kathleen M. Blee and Sandra McGee: Women of the Right: Comparisons and Interplay Across Borders [Penn State Press, February 2012, 320pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=wAKBlaRvBxAC&pg=PA254&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6B2BUpaJEoaAiwK6-4GYBw&ved=0CEgQ6AEwAzgK#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Terry Melanson: Perfectibilists: The 18th Century Bavarian Order of the Illuminati [Trine Day, December 2011, 531pp] https://books.google.com/books?id=SH-1BQAAQBAJ&pg=PT105&dq=ernie+lazar&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjk8_We3JDKAhVRymMKHeydA5UQ6AEIUDAJ#v=onepage&q=lazar&f=false
Ivan Greenberg: The Dangers of Dissent: The FBI and Civil Liberties Since 1965 [Lexington Books, October 2010, 344pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=ErCHQ4so9VEC&pg=PA219&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=phqBUr3BEYaJjAKu74GgBA&ved=0CFgQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Alex Heard: The Eyes of Willie McGee: A Tragedy of Race, Sex, and Secrets in the Jim Crow South [Harper Collins, June 2010, 432pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=LJofSQNs-BwC&pg=PA352&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6B2BUpaJEoaAiwK6-4GYBw&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Alexander Zaitchik: Common Nonsense: Glenn Beck and The Triumph of Ignorance [John Wiley & Sons, April 2010, 272pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=LIDYmd2ibVQC&pg=PA217&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=6B2BUpaJEoaAiwK6-4GYBw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=%22ernie%20lazar%22&f=false
Alexander Zaitchik: Meet the Man Who Changed Glenn Beck’s Life Salon.com website, 09/16/2009 https://www.salon.com/2009/09/16/beck_skousen/
Chip Berlet and Matthew Lyons: Right Wing Populism in America: Too Close For Comfort [Guilford Press, 2000, 499pp] http://books.google.com/books?id=Md1aRhWNk1QC&dq=%22ernie+lazar%22&q=lazar#v=snippet&q=lazar&f=false
David Bollier: Liberty and Justice For Some: Defending A Free Society From The Radical Right’s Holy War on Democracy [People For The American Way, Ungar Publishing Co. October 1982, 324pp]
John Haynes Message re my CPUSA File List on H-HOAC 4/20/13
Society For U.S. Intellectual History (Facebook page) 4/15/13 https://www.facebook.com/groups/39928567889/
I therefore DEMAND that you delete that reference in your article since it ultimately is based upon MY research. IN ADDITION: I HEREBY PERMANENTLY REFUSE permission for Wikipedia to use ANYTHING I have spent my lifetime acquiring, and I demand that you PERMANENTLY DELETE all references on Wikipedia that are using material which I discovered and which cite me as the source. So unless you can cite a reference which is NOT originally ME -- you should remove all such "documentation" because you DO NOT consider me as a "reliable source".
Ehrenreich studied chemistry at Reed College, graduating in 1963. Her senior thesis was entitled Electrochemical oscillations of the silicon anode. In 1968, she received a Ph.D in cellular immunology from Rockefeller University.
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