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Just to clarify that on the Avisa Partners talk page, I'm giving summaries of what I know you can read yourself in French sans le moindre problème, because en.Wikipedians who are non-French speakers have to be given reasonable access to understanding what we're discussing. Of course, they'll need auto-translators (or human translators) to access most of the sources themselves. Boud ( talk) 00:19, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Well, the actual discussion of sources related to the article should probably go over there ... :), since it's not our "private" discussion. But since we're in User: space, I'll just say that personally, rather than decide if Nguesso is a dictator or not, I would find it more useful for encyclopedic purposes - and for the people who most need encyclopedic, RS'd information - to create missing pages like Law of the Republic of Congo that is missing at Template talk:Africa topic or Constitutional Court of the Republic of Congo. It's institutions that are the most significant in political and human rights changes, even if individuals attract more attention, and sometimes play key roles. Anyway, make an edit if you feel the sources are strong enough and we should probably return to discussing on the talk page over there... Boud ( talk) 01:09, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Elinruby, as I think you know, I love finding gaps in our coverage and filling them, like we did with Liberation of France. Even though we have 6-point-whatever million articles, there are still significant topics that have not been directly addressed yet. It's almost hard to believe that the LoF article didn't exist before we created it. Another such was War guilt question, which I had a great time with, and really learned a lot while working on it. These "gap topics" don't come up very often, but I think I've found another one. Just as a teaser, it also relates to France during the period surrounding WW II, including just before and after. As was the case with Liberation of France, for this new topic I have in mind, it's not that the information is covered nowhere in Wikipedia; there are bits and pieces of it all over the place. It's very much like LoF in that respect, which contains portions copied from dozens of articles (reminder: see the collapsed attribution banner on the talk page). But, Lof is still a new topic, not handled in any of those other articles. It gets a few hundred pageviews a day, which is nice to see.
This new topic I have in mind is somewhat like that, in the sense that it's an important topic about French history of the 20th century, with bits and pieces all over, but no one article addresses the topic directly. I think it would be a helpful addition, and I would enjoy collaborating with you on it if you were interested. (I realize I'm being a bit mysterious, but it's in an inchoate state, and I need to organize my thoughts about it first.) I think the effort involved would be significant, perhaps half that of LoF, so a couple of months in Draft, probably (that's a wild guess). I'm in the early stages of coming up with a scope and design for the article and a possible section organization, and it might take me a a week before I have anything concrete to discuss. If in principle you might be interested, let me know. Mathglot ( talk) 08:33, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Incidentally I just got pinged on something as a French speaker interested in disinformation; gonna ping you in turn as another. Planning to spend the rest of the day reading about this, that and the fighting in Kherson. Maybe correct verb tenses somewhere, but I am getting bored with that. Elinruby ( talk) 21:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Elinruby ( talk) 01:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
histoire des formes de gouvernement en France
generates
this query for Qwant, which has a good source at result #11 (
here), which will source half the rows (1789 and afterward). Also, it's an impeccable governmental source, so no question of reliability. Am also thinking of just adding a paragraph of intro at the top (not more, because it's a
list article), and sticking all references there, instead of in the table, and if I can get three or four good ones spanning 481 – present, releasing it to mainspace. Even so, I'm new to all these French engines, and may take me a while to track down some good sources and do a writeup for the intro.
Mathglot (
talk)
08:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Nod, will put some more time in on Clovis shortly. Elinruby ( talk) 08:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
I agree that this was a federated/federal monarchy after some reading, but you are looking for a source for the terminology, right? I haven’t gotten into the French Wikipedia on this yet but since the former redirects to the latter at en.wiki, I am assuming this is where you saw the hatnote. Might take some time; theory of political science is not a field I have spent much time in until now. Elinruby ( talk) 21:44, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Mmm not on mobile interface but now that I know it’s there I will switch over to Desktop version and grab it Elinruby ( talk) 00:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. I think I will deep-dive over there Elinruby ( talk) 04:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
I will wait for you to add a reference then follow that format. I just took a look at Persée and Qwant on Clovis and am getting an unbelievable amount of stuff about national myth, father of the French nation, did a dove appear when he was baptized, and the parallels between his reign and... various periods in French history. I do think the term is accurate but going to work on another part of this for a while Elinruby ( talk) 09:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
However the to-from dates reflect the extent of his dynasty. Did see mention of feudalism following Elinruby ( talk) 09:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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Just to clarify that on the Avisa Partners talk page, I'm giving summaries of what I know you can read yourself in French sans le moindre problème, because en.Wikipedians who are non-French speakers have to be given reasonable access to understanding what we're discussing. Of course, they'll need auto-translators (or human translators) to access most of the sources themselves. Boud ( talk) 00:19, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Well, the actual discussion of sources related to the article should probably go over there ... :), since it's not our "private" discussion. But since we're in User: space, I'll just say that personally, rather than decide if Nguesso is a dictator or not, I would find it more useful for encyclopedic purposes - and for the people who most need encyclopedic, RS'd information - to create missing pages like Law of the Republic of Congo that is missing at Template talk:Africa topic or Constitutional Court of the Republic of Congo. It's institutions that are the most significant in political and human rights changes, even if individuals attract more attention, and sometimes play key roles. Anyway, make an edit if you feel the sources are strong enough and we should probably return to discussing on the talk page over there... Boud ( talk) 01:09, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Elinruby, as I think you know, I love finding gaps in our coverage and filling them, like we did with Liberation of France. Even though we have 6-point-whatever million articles, there are still significant topics that have not been directly addressed yet. It's almost hard to believe that the LoF article didn't exist before we created it. Another such was War guilt question, which I had a great time with, and really learned a lot while working on it. These "gap topics" don't come up very often, but I think I've found another one. Just as a teaser, it also relates to France during the period surrounding WW II, including just before and after. As was the case with Liberation of France, for this new topic I have in mind, it's not that the information is covered nowhere in Wikipedia; there are bits and pieces of it all over the place. It's very much like LoF in that respect, which contains portions copied from dozens of articles (reminder: see the collapsed attribution banner on the talk page). But, Lof is still a new topic, not handled in any of those other articles. It gets a few hundred pageviews a day, which is nice to see.
This new topic I have in mind is somewhat like that, in the sense that it's an important topic about French history of the 20th century, with bits and pieces all over, but no one article addresses the topic directly. I think it would be a helpful addition, and I would enjoy collaborating with you on it if you were interested. (I realize I'm being a bit mysterious, but it's in an inchoate state, and I need to organize my thoughts about it first.) I think the effort involved would be significant, perhaps half that of LoF, so a couple of months in Draft, probably (that's a wild guess). I'm in the early stages of coming up with a scope and design for the article and a possible section organization, and it might take me a a week before I have anything concrete to discuss. If in principle you might be interested, let me know. Mathglot ( talk) 08:33, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
Incidentally I just got pinged on something as a French speaker interested in disinformation; gonna ping you in turn as another. Planning to spend the rest of the day reading about this, that and the fighting in Kherson. Maybe correct verb tenses somewhere, but I am getting bored with that. Elinruby ( talk) 21:28, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Elinruby ( talk) 01:27, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
histoire des formes de gouvernement en France
generates
this query for Qwant, which has a good source at result #11 (
here), which will source half the rows (1789 and afterward). Also, it's an impeccable governmental source, so no question of reliability. Am also thinking of just adding a paragraph of intro at the top (not more, because it's a
list article), and sticking all references there, instead of in the table, and if I can get three or four good ones spanning 481 – present, releasing it to mainspace. Even so, I'm new to all these French engines, and may take me a while to track down some good sources and do a writeup for the intro.
Mathglot (
talk)
08:31, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Nod, will put some more time in on Clovis shortly. Elinruby ( talk) 08:36, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
I agree that this was a federated/federal monarchy after some reading, but you are looking for a source for the terminology, right? I haven’t gotten into the French Wikipedia on this yet but since the former redirects to the latter at en.wiki, I am assuming this is where you saw the hatnote. Might take some time; theory of political science is not a field I have spent much time in until now. Elinruby ( talk) 21:44, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
Mmm not on mobile interface but now that I know it’s there I will switch over to Desktop version and grab it Elinruby ( talk) 00:19, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
Thanks. I think I will deep-dive over there Elinruby ( talk) 04:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
I will wait for you to add a reference then follow that format. I just took a look at Persée and Qwant on Clovis and am getting an unbelievable amount of stuff about national myth, father of the French nation, did a dove appear when he was baptized, and the parallels between his reign and... various periods in French history. I do think the term is accurate but going to work on another part of this for a while Elinruby ( talk) 09:30, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
However the to-from dates reflect the extent of his dynasty. Did see mention of feudalism following Elinruby ( talk) 09:32, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
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