See edit history for Editwondergirl. As of today, the user Editwondergirl has made exactly 11 edits on Wikipedia, all of them notability tags on Meher Baba articles done during a 15 minute period on October 10, 2008. As of today there is no other history for this editor and no discussion prior to this entry. Nor was any discussion given on any of the article discussion pages. It would appear that the purpose of all these tags is not solely to improve the quality of Wikipedia -- but there appears to be some bias. One of the articles given a notability tag by this user was Meher Baba's flag when in fact there is an entire category for articles on rainbow flags representing various groups, and not one of the other flag articles received like-tags from this user. Based on these facts this 15 minutes of activity seems clearly geared against the man who the articles are about and not the articles themselves. So I am reverting these 11 notability tags for all things Meher Baba. 12:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
comment above by user 72.204.47.141
I will take the next step to have this question submitted to further arbitration. I intend to seek other examples where wikipedia could be better edited. The fact that I have begun with one catagorey is not evidece of bias. I have left intact many other entried connected with Meher Baba. The pages that I tagged were all themselves poor entries of various types. Several of them were closely based on the webpages of the centres concerned and had no npov sources. Others were in my opinion not noteworthy in themselves and should be considered for merging with the main entry on Meher Baba. Meher Baba himself is worthy of a Wikipedia entry but he is not a major enough figure to justify so many subentries - especially when some of them seem basically to be advertisements for various places to stay and all include no outside sources. The notability tag allows users to improve the entries concerned. It is not appropriate to remove the tag without further discussion rather than to improve the entries concerned - if indeed they should be improved rather than merged/deleted. -- Editwondergirl ( talk) 13:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Editing done within a short space of time, but only after reading each entry carefully, deciding not to tag other Meher Baba related entries that were of higher quality, and checking of sources on each entry (which frankly did not take long, in some cases). I did not edit other pages because I did not find any in my areas of interest (New Age spirituality and classical music being high among them) that were so obviously in need of editing. If you have any suggestions, I'd be happy to take a look. And I intend to do further editing across a range of subjects, I assure you.
The notability tag allows for improvement of the entry and for further discussion. I don't think it is in order to simply remove it. I am holding off on arbitration to allow time for anyone interested to improve/merge the entries concerned. Take a look and you'll see that they could do with some work. Since you are commited to keeping them on board, perhaps you'd like to make a start. I would suggest that some entries could be either deleted altoghter, merged with the main Meher Baba page or related pages, or perhaps several of them could be merged together under a new Meher Baba-related entry. Apart from any other concern, some of the entries are unlikely to be found by anyone without pre-existing knowledge/interest. I came across one of them (forget which one) by accident and then looked through all Meher Baba related entries to see which ones, if any, did not meet Wikipedia criteria for notability. Merging them together, or with other pages, the content could I think attract many more users by making it easier to find. The new entry/entries would need to include more NPOV sources than is currently the case, however. Some of them are very poorly sourced. The articles concerned do not meet Wikipedia guidelines on a number of criteria - I suggest that you refresh your memory by reading the notability guidelines. I assure that I did so before adding the relevant tag. You will see that adding such a tag in order to alert other editors is one of the courses of suggested action in cases such as these. Another suggested course of action was to find multiple NPOV sources yourself. I tried, and I couldn't. ( talk) 06:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I read the wikipedia guidelines very carefully, which read that putting the notability tag was a way of alerting other editors. The notability tag includes explanations and suggestions for further action. Other wikipedia pages that I have watched have featured notability tags without further explanation, which has caused no fuss and which has prompted relevant action. Removing a notability tag without action and/or notice is considered vandalism. Attaching a notability tag where the article is clearly in violation on Wikipedia guidelines is not. As I said before, I read the relevant guidelines and I have watched other Wikipedia pages over a long period of time. I do not consider that I am under any obligation to wait before restoring the tag and seeking arbitration, but I am nonetheless holding off for a few days to give other editors a chance to make changes, if they so desire. If you are agreement that at least some of the articles are not notable, then I suggest you go about fixing and/or merging or deleting them rather than shooting the messenger. -- Editwondergirl ( talk) 21:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh come on. I came to those pages via the list of Meher Baba related entries. The "Beloved God Prayer" entry talks about its significance to Meher Baba and lists only Meher Baba sources. If it's not of interest to his followers and to readers of his entry, then I don't know who would possibly be interested in it. Somehow, I don't think you'll find that the entry of Rama is similarly dependent on information on Jesus. I considered a "stubb" tag but after looking on both Google and Factive (a media database) there do not seem to be sufficient NPOV sources to work from in expanding the entry. The notability tag allows for discussion and for drawing attention to such sources if they exist. -- Editwondergirl ( talk) 01:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
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See edit history for Editwondergirl. As of today, the user Editwondergirl has made exactly 11 edits on Wikipedia, all of them notability tags on Meher Baba articles done during a 15 minute period on October 10, 2008. As of today there is no other history for this editor and no discussion prior to this entry. Nor was any discussion given on any of the article discussion pages. It would appear that the purpose of all these tags is not solely to improve the quality of Wikipedia -- but there appears to be some bias. One of the articles given a notability tag by this user was Meher Baba's flag when in fact there is an entire category for articles on rainbow flags representing various groups, and not one of the other flag articles received like-tags from this user. Based on these facts this 15 minutes of activity seems clearly geared against the man who the articles are about and not the articles themselves. So I am reverting these 11 notability tags for all things Meher Baba. 12:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
comment above by user 72.204.47.141
I will take the next step to have this question submitted to further arbitration. I intend to seek other examples where wikipedia could be better edited. The fact that I have begun with one catagorey is not evidece of bias. I have left intact many other entried connected with Meher Baba. The pages that I tagged were all themselves poor entries of various types. Several of them were closely based on the webpages of the centres concerned and had no npov sources. Others were in my opinion not noteworthy in themselves and should be considered for merging with the main entry on Meher Baba. Meher Baba himself is worthy of a Wikipedia entry but he is not a major enough figure to justify so many subentries - especially when some of them seem basically to be advertisements for various places to stay and all include no outside sources. The notability tag allows users to improve the entries concerned. It is not appropriate to remove the tag without further discussion rather than to improve the entries concerned - if indeed they should be improved rather than merged/deleted. -- Editwondergirl ( talk) 13:24, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Editing done within a short space of time, but only after reading each entry carefully, deciding not to tag other Meher Baba related entries that were of higher quality, and checking of sources on each entry (which frankly did not take long, in some cases). I did not edit other pages because I did not find any in my areas of interest (New Age spirituality and classical music being high among them) that were so obviously in need of editing. If you have any suggestions, I'd be happy to take a look. And I intend to do further editing across a range of subjects, I assure you.
The notability tag allows for improvement of the entry and for further discussion. I don't think it is in order to simply remove it. I am holding off on arbitration to allow time for anyone interested to improve/merge the entries concerned. Take a look and you'll see that they could do with some work. Since you are commited to keeping them on board, perhaps you'd like to make a start. I would suggest that some entries could be either deleted altoghter, merged with the main Meher Baba page or related pages, or perhaps several of them could be merged together under a new Meher Baba-related entry. Apart from any other concern, some of the entries are unlikely to be found by anyone without pre-existing knowledge/interest. I came across one of them (forget which one) by accident and then looked through all Meher Baba related entries to see which ones, if any, did not meet Wikipedia criteria for notability. Merging them together, or with other pages, the content could I think attract many more users by making it easier to find. The new entry/entries would need to include more NPOV sources than is currently the case, however. Some of them are very poorly sourced. The articles concerned do not meet Wikipedia guidelines on a number of criteria - I suggest that you refresh your memory by reading the notability guidelines. I assure that I did so before adding the relevant tag. You will see that adding such a tag in order to alert other editors is one of the courses of suggested action in cases such as these. Another suggested course of action was to find multiple NPOV sources yourself. I tried, and I couldn't. ( talk) 06:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I read the wikipedia guidelines very carefully, which read that putting the notability tag was a way of alerting other editors. The notability tag includes explanations and suggestions for further action. Other wikipedia pages that I have watched have featured notability tags without further explanation, which has caused no fuss and which has prompted relevant action. Removing a notability tag without action and/or notice is considered vandalism. Attaching a notability tag where the article is clearly in violation on Wikipedia guidelines is not. As I said before, I read the relevant guidelines and I have watched other Wikipedia pages over a long period of time. I do not consider that I am under any obligation to wait before restoring the tag and seeking arbitration, but I am nonetheless holding off for a few days to give other editors a chance to make changes, if they so desire. If you are agreement that at least some of the articles are not notable, then I suggest you go about fixing and/or merging or deleting them rather than shooting the messenger. -- Editwondergirl ( talk) 21:55, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh come on. I came to those pages via the list of Meher Baba related entries. The "Beloved God Prayer" entry talks about its significance to Meher Baba and lists only Meher Baba sources. If it's not of interest to his followers and to readers of his entry, then I don't know who would possibly be interested in it. Somehow, I don't think you'll find that the entry of Rama is similarly dependent on information on Jesus. I considered a "stubb" tag but after looking on both Google and Factive (a media database) there do not seem to be sufficient NPOV sources to work from in expanding the entry. The notability tag allows for discussion and for drawing attention to such sources if they exist. -- Editwondergirl ( talk) 01:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
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