Hi

I am on catch-up after spending far too long on this copyedit and its notes and RL stuff.

I also have edits to complete after a GA review, my first nomination for a GA! Hopefully I can get everything up-to-date by tomorrow as well as look through all the GOCE news on the FA and GA ce comments. I already see a need to add something about the fact that there is no shiny reward for an FA or GA copyedit, only that one might get one for doing an article over 5k words. Is there anything I have missed over the last two days? My watchlist is too big, at over 4,500 articles, and I only get the last 12 hours or so - I can change my prefs to only show the most recent change, but that only gets me to 36 hours, anything before that is lost.

Hope you are well though, and looking forwards to the next drive lol I also noticed that you seem to be getting the credit for the "review by co-ordinators" idea, if it goes wrong that will be another bullet I avoided lol :¬) Chaosdruid ( talk) 03:53, 17 August 2011 (UTC) reply

I started collecting my stuff for my trip to Europe today. I got a new suitcase as my return flight goes through Chicago (pray for me) so I am going to try to fit everything in a carry-on. I will be bringing my laptop and keeping up with events as best I can. It will be like my last two trips, though, where even when I am available I will not feel like doing anything too intense or complex, especially during the last four days of the trip, when the Really Big Event will be happening.

The main thing you have missed is the ongoing discussion, which I think you have already caught up on. I did another round of edits on Holy Wood (In the Shadow of the Valley of Death), which you have worked on in the past, but it still won't pass FA due to issues unrelated to copy editing. My watch-list is 283 articles, and over half of that is user pages (many of which are inactive and being monitored merely for vandalism), GOCE pages, and the like. I recently dropped a lot of watchlist in a spate of WP:DGAF.

Which article did you nominate for GA? -- Dianna ( talk) 04:14, 17 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Your pending trip is why I thought it best to try and catch up - as things might not be as together as they might be with you not around lol.

The GA nom is Belitung shipwreck, I need to get all the GA1 notes corrected now, it is exciting (and yes, I am easily pleased lol)

I am also going to go against my normal "non-reveal of my email address" and send you one relating to a recent edit...sending now!

Have a good trip and I hope you enjoy yourself, even though they all talk funny lol. Chaosdruid ( talk) 04:34, 17 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Bloody hell, you already dealt with it, now I look like a bleedin stalker! Chaosdruid ( talk) 04:37, 17 August 2011 (UTC) reply

I know a few words of German from studying WWII. But probably they are the wrong kind of words! I have a little book of phrases and a friend who speaks German who will be there. Thanks for the e-mail. Yah, I noticed that I do a lot of the work for the Guild, but when it comes time to make the big decisions or talk to other users, I am not so good at that aspect. So I appreciate the help. My computer is acting like a slug so I am signing off now. More later -- Dianna ( talk) 14:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Shoot, now I semi-revealed the secret location. They are gonna take away my shiruken! I am a little stressed out. Anyway, if you could look after maintenance of the Requests page while I am gone that would be great. Also regarding the requests page, I had updated it with some coordinators instructions, but now I am not so sure consensus has been reached on whether or not we are going to do reviews. So the page will have to be brought in line with whatever the final outcome of the discussion is. We will need a drive invitation prepared and sent out; not too many people have signed up yet. Utah is good at writing these newsletters. SMasters knows how to send it out with AWB. I have arranged for an announcement in the Signpost. We could put a post on the Reward Board. I will add more later if I think of anything else. -- Ninja Dianna ( Talk) 15:39, 17 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Lol, to be honest I am surprised that there was no photoshopping of that church picture - a ninja out of uniform!

Can you and the girls possibly do a quick stop-off? I will pay $lots if these two disappear ;¬)

Yup, req. page and discussion monitoring and awaiting outcomes. I have sort of suggested that if no other proposal can find consensus we could consider a GOCE FA/GA taskforce. I would prefer to keep it in-house, as any new project would probably result in a de facto abandoning ship by the better copy-editors apart from on drives. Oh damn, I forgot to suggest removing the bonuses for request page edits from the drive, in an effort to remove any claims of "shiny awards" for the requests page copyedits.

Luggage, lol. My brother flew from Newark to Stockholm when we had a family get together a couple of years ago. I arrived two days after he did, and carried my bag out to where they all met me. Imagine my surprise when we discovered that I had his bag, it was 95% identical to mine and even had the same plastic tag on it from his business. It turned out his had been lost between Newark and Amsterdam, where they changed flights, and the airline had decided to put it onto my connecting flight from Amsterdam to get it to him. I had to go back through customs to pick mine up which they had put into holding for him to pick up! Gotta love airports :¬)

Anyway, have a good time and try to sample as many Bräus and wursts as possible! (hmmm.. not sure how that will work with the veggie thing lol, best I strike that one then lmao) My other brother spends a lot of time in that country, as he specialises in certain operas, though I never manage to get over to visit him while he is there.

PS I found a wonderful picture that sort of sums up how many UK people see the German diet, as well as the non-pc UK populous' "sausage eating krauts", as opposed the French " cheese eating surrender monkeys", our other main xenophobic target. Warning! Vegans and vegetarians may wish to skip this picture! Interestingly though, the historical UK view has been that Italians were the ones that surrendered or ran away at the drop of a hat, not the French. Chaosdruid ( talk) 22:10, 17 August 2011 (UTC) reply

I was hoping to try some good cheese. In France I ate a lot of cheese and bread, as they roll up the sidewalks at around 1-2 PM and there is no food available anywhere until the shops and restaurants re-open around 6 PM. We were constantly on the verge of getting thrown out of our hotel, but why was never quite made clear. We are Canadian, ffs, not a bunch of rowdies. I was afraid to complain that the roof leaked for fear it would somehow be construed as being our fault. I had a snotty waiter mock me in Lyon for wanting coffee at 5 PM. They have a gorgeous park there, 290 acres, but there are no bathrooms. There were two outhouses in the entire park, one for each sex; a hole in the floor, no toilet, no lights. I had to illuminate my cell phone to orient myself. Excuse me, which of us is uncivilised, the one who wants a cup of joe at 5 pm or the one whose country contains those horrific shittoirs? You be the judge.

This idea of removing bonuses for requests from the drive is a good one. -- Dianna ( talk) 02:15, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

ChaosDruid, as a copyeditor, you need to read up on famous speeches. "Never have so many owed so much to so few..." ... ever heard of it? Well it was spoofed within months, as "never have so many surrendered so much to so few", in reference to hundreds of thousands of Italians surrendering to tens of thousands of British and Empire forces in the Western Desert. We have articles on it... Operation Compass is a starting point, but they kept surrendering again, and again, and again after that. -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 02:32, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

No comment on the French. We know what they're like, we can s- oh never mind. -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 02:32, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

I don't see that - I see support for the checks from 4 or 5 and a couple, mainly Truthkeeper, saying checks might scare people away. He isn't new though, and how does someone know if their work is checked if it is ok? There would be nothing said, so how could they be offended? We check work in the drives and no one seems offended by that, so why not off the requests page - where checks are really more important? Chaosdruid ( talk) 03:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Malleus Fatuorum brought up the workshop idea earlier, and SMasters brought it up at the end of the section. And I think the workshop idea is a good one. So maybe not everyone is leaning toward that idea, but there are three users. As for the reviews, the difference between reviewing requests and drive copy edits is that we only review 10% of the copy edits in the Backlog elimination drives, and with this new idea, we'll review 100% of the copy edits in the Requests page. And as I said, we must consider the opinion of those outside of the Guild as well as those inside the Guild. That's collaboration, which is what Wikipedia is all about. Regarding people taking Requests page copy edit reviews to offense, I quote myself from the Guild's talk page: "Checking work will probably make some editors feel like they don't have good copy editing skills, and it will cause them to quit working for the Guild....As I said in one of my earlier comments, I understand that the intent of this review proposal is good, but it only takes one misunderstanding to cause another serious problem for the Guild." The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 03:08, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Here Truthkeeper implies that we need to be held accountable for what out editors are doing, but I don't see how that's possible unless we check their work. Obviously there will be a few editors whose work will not need to be checked, and we can accumulate that information as we go along. -- Dianna ( talk) 03:11, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Hm...so how about after a certain amount of time/articles we stop reviewing the user/users we're reviewing? We could also have them take part in our mentorship program in addition to having their copy edits reviewed? The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 03:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

STALKER HERE Actually, I thought I was the one who first suggested a separate Guild of Writers in this edit. Anyway, I still see copy editing and writing as different skill sets. I do not expect many of our members joining a Writers' Guild. I would think that their members would come from those who work mostly on FA or GA articles, and not from the GOCE. Having a sub-section or a taskforce will only reinforce the confusion between copy editing and pure writing, and we will be blamed for any lack of quality in this area. Hence, my suggestion that it be a completely separate entity. Just my 2 cents. BTW, despite what it says on my user page, I do actually watch a handful of other users' talk pages (like all of the GOCE coordinators). :) – SMasters ( talk) 04:29, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

When I first suggested it, I was perhaps not clear "what we need to do now to stop these bad FA and GA copy-edits ..." followed by "... I would like to suggest that only co-ordinators remove listings from the requests page" seemed a little contradictory.

I did try and fix that in a later post "At present we still need to check FA/GA articles and editors work on them. This could be dropped after a time, ..." and then in another post "to checks on those at GA/FA."

In the proposals section I put "Mandatory checks should only be on FA and GA candidates copy-edits by new members and less-experienced editors." and "perhaps asking that anyone wanting to take on FA and GA reviews goes through an initial mentoring process?"

Having said that, we do get requests for articles that say things like "eventually for GA" or "I plan to put this up for GAN" Chaosdruid ( talk) 14:01, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi Diannaa,

Thanks for your work on The King's Speech article. I know you're busy, but do have have an opinion on the currency format issue? Thanks again and best wishes, -- Ktlynch ( talk) 10:59, 17 August 2011 (UTC) P.S. The Guild looks both busy and well organised. I'm going to try and help out more often. See you soon. reply

Thank you for saying so. My opinion is that the currency does not need converting. -- Dianna ( talk) 14:14, 17 August 2011 (UTC) reply

You'll notice a series of overnight edits and reverts, running the IP editor up to level 4 and me into what might look to the new observer as an edit war. I'll be away for the better part of the day - can you follow up? Thanks - JohnInDC ( talk) 11:35, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Actually did introduce 1 source though they pushed it a bit too far. JohnInDC ( talk) 13:02, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

One of the sources did not contain any of the material they wanted to add. I placed some page protection and somehow hit enter with it on indefinite semi-protection, but thinking about it, I think the article is more or less complete, so I am gonna leave it that way. If new facts come to light, registered users can add them. Thanks, John, for keeping an eye on the article with me. -- Dianna ( talk) 13:50, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Oh, goodness, thanks to you for bringing a bit of order to what had previously been a haphazard undertaking. With luck the semi-protection will solve the problem! JohnInDC ( talk) 01:53, 19 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Perhaps, for the September drive or maybe for other drives, we should think about a special barnstar that is tied directly to our goals for the drive? Yes, we already add a 50% bonus for requests page articles, but perhaps we should add another way to entice people to copyedit those articles. In the May drive we had a column in our leaderboard for 2009 articles- perhaps we could try the same with requests page articles (or just a barnstar for most articles copyedited from the requests page), to speed up the copyediting of them? Doing the same for 2010 articles would be more reasonable for when we're closer to wiping those off of the backlog, which I don't think will be soon. (Edited to add: I just read the above discussion that included removing shiny awards and the 50% bonus from the requests page. I personally do not agree with this action, as I feel that they can be and are helpful in keeping down backlogs at the requests page, which ultimately are more urgent than anything in the regular backlog.)-- Slon02 ( talk) 15:21, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

It's all related. If we are checking all the requests page copy edits, there's no reason not to leave things as-is. -- Dianna ( talk) 18:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

I still don't think reviewing all the requests page copy edits is a good idea, but I like the concept. As I said above, maybe we could review users up to a certain point, then once they reach that point they don't have to be reviewed anymore. The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 18:54, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

It is unlikely we will be able to review everything anyways; we would start with FA and move to GA and do the rest if time permits. Time consuming not just to review but to also give needed feedback and education when things need improving. We can accumulate a list of exempt editors as time goes on. -- Dianna ( talk) 19:03, 18 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Hello, Diannaa. You have new messages at The Utahraptor's talk page.
Message added 15:03, 19 August 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. reply

I have created the invitation here. Feel free to make any changes you feel are necessary. The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 21:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Enjoy your break :¬) Chaosdruid ( talk) 03:29, 20 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Invitation from the Guild of Copy Editors The Guild of Copy Editors invites you to participate in their September 2011 Backlog elimination drive, a month-long effort to reduce the size of the copy editing backlog. The drive will begin on September 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and will end on September 30 at 23:59 (UTC). We will be tracking the number of 2010 articles in the backlog, as we want to copy edit as many of those as possible. Please consider copy editing an article that was tagged in 2010. Barnstars will be given to anyone who edits more than 4,000 words, with special awards for the top 5 in the categories "Number of articles", "Number of words", and "Number of articles of over 5,000 words". See you at the drive! – Your drive coordinators: Diannaa, Chaosdruid, The Utahraptor, Slon02, and SMasters. >>> Sign up now <<<

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 16:17, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

		The Mimi Butterfly Award
		As promised, a cute little token of my appreciation :) Thanks for all your great work with copy-edits, and for being so nice and friendly! Keep up the good work :D-- CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 20:02, 22 August 2011 (UTC) reply

		The Mimi Butterfly Award
		As promised, a cute little token of my appreciation :) This one is to accompany that cute kitten :) so you can have a nice little scrumptious bite at the same time :)-- CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 20:02, 22 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks a lot for everything Di :) Much appreciated!-- CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 20:02, 22 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the cool stuff. -- Ninja Dianna ( Talk) 21:37, 22 August 2011 (UTC) reply

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thanks for helping me out with this article. You definitely deserve this, considering you were kind enough to take time off from your Wikibreak to help out. The Utahraptor Talk/ Contribs 13:46, 24 August 2011 (UTC) reply

You're welcome. We will need to keep going on the references until they all have been converted to the new style. I just got bored and moved onto sonething else, but will return and finish up later. -- Ninja Dianna ( Talk) 15:30, 24 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi

It seems I have caused a problem with an editor and they have posted on the coordinators talk page. I have replied but it has hit me a little personally and I cannot continue discussion. I already had a great feeling of guilt about the mistaken edits on the Ducie article when they were reverted, hence my lol on their talk page (meant as a "wow how could I have done that, must have been an off day"). As something else seems to be driving the editor on to reverse their seemingly cordial discussion and strike out their previous comments I feel others should comment as I am too close to the matter.

The conversations that brought this about are [ [2]] User_talk:Stfg/Archive_1#Boldface (used to be one but were later split) and User_talk:Chaosdruid#Boldface. Discussion on coordinators talk - Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Coordinators#GOCE_culture

(copied to all coordinators pages) Chaosdruid ( talk) 18:07, 29 August 2011 (UTC) reply

Welcome back! I hope you enjoyed your vacation! The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 04:37, 1 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thank you. I will try to get back to regular editing tomorrow, but there are still some RL things that i need to do to catch up. :) -- Dianna ( talk) 04:41, 1 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi Diannaa, it is my first time here in Wikipedia, would you mind if you can give me some tip/rules about this site? Thank you for your consideration Hamham31 ( talk) 06:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC) reply

( talk page stalker) Hi Hamham! I would suggest that you read the links provided to you in the "Welcome" note left by SMasters on your talk page. If you have any further questions/doubts, feel free to contact me on my talk page. Avenue X at Cicero ( talk) 09:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC) reply

It may interest you to know that I have created a peer review for Silver Reef, Utah here. Feel free to leave comments. The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 21:10, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks. I will look at this tomorrow. -- Dianna ( talk) 21:55, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi, Wikid77 ( talk) here. We need more people for the Sept. backlog drive, perhaps 80(?) people would be great. I have asked questions at new talk-page:

• WT:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/September 2011

If that is the wrong page for these issues, then let me know, here, and I will redo those talk-page topics wherever you would prefer them to be listed. Thanks. - Wikid77 21:13, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks. That is a good place for the discussion. I will look at it tomorrow. -- Dianna ( talk) 21:56, 2 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I never knew how to do that myself. -- Againme ( talk) 17:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi

Hope you enjoyed your break. Unfortunately one of my nieces was taken very ill and admitted to hospital in NY during the hurricane and that plus a matter here had me AWOL. I am back again as of tonight (hopefully) now I know she is out of danger and recovering.

In the meantime I wondered if you would take a look at these two partial edits which are being claimed as 3x 5k+ articles, and probably as word count totals as well. In light of recent events, and my absence, I though it better that I defer to someone else until I am back properly and caught up with everything. The two edits are [3] and [4]

Thanks Chaosdruid ( talk) 15:08, 4 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Welcome back. You are definitely missed when you have to go away. Best wishes to your niece. I will check out these two links right away. -- Dianna ( talk) 15:12, 4 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I have investigated and made an adjustment to their totals and explained my findings here. Thank you for checking this out. -- Dianna ( talk) 15:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi! I have recently added the A1 (Croatia) article to GOCE requests page before its FAC, and assumed it was copyedited as it disappeared from the request list. A review pointed out shortcomings with article suggesting a copyedit, and only then did I check if the copyedit was actually performed or not. Apparently you removed the request as duplicate two days ago, so would it be possible to restore the request in its original place in the queue in order to avoid one more wait? Thanks.-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 00:10, 5 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Oops, my mistake. I will re-add this to the queue. Sorry -- Dianna ( talk) 02:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC) reply

No problem. Would you be at all interested in copyediting the article?-- Tomobe03 ( talk) 07:09, 5 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Malleus thinks my work is crap, so there's not much point. -- Dianna ( talk) 15:36, 5 September 2011 (UTC) reply

This is a really cool idea. Mind if I steal it? — Status { ^talk _contribs  15:43, 5 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Be my guest; it's a wiki. -- Dianna ( talk) 15:45, 5 September 2011 (UTC) reply

sigh. Dr.K.  ^{λogos πraxis} 00:35, 6 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks. I will help you watch the article. -- Dianna ( talk) 00:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thank you very much Diannaa. It is nice to know you are keeping an eye on this. Take care. Dr.K.  ^{λogos πraxis} 00:43, 6 September 2011 (UTC) reply

		The WikiProject Wikify Badge
		This Wikification badge is given to Diannaa for her ninth-place appearance on the leaderboard in the August 2011 Wikification drive. Congratulations! Nolelover Talk· Contribs 21:00, 8 September 2011 (UTC) reply

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	This Working Wikipedian's Barnstar is also given to Diannaa for completing 32 articles in the August 2011 Wikification drive. Thanks, and keep up the great work! Nolelover Talk· Contribs 21:00, 8 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks -- Dianna ( talk) 00:33, 9 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Just to be perfectly clear: Getting an article on the list prodded doesn't count, even if it deserved it, right? Lagrange613 ( talk) 06:30, 9 September 2011 (UTC) reply

If an editor copy edits an article and is is later deleted as a result of a prod, the article still counts towards the editor's drive totals. The same applies to articles speedied or deleted at AFD. -- Dianna ( talk) 18:01, 9 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi Diannaa, thank you for the c/e on " Rehab" article. I really appreciate it, but could you also do copy-editing on the video section and it's three sub-sections, I personally think that there it is most needed. Thank You Tomica1111 • Question Existing? 11:55, 9 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Ok, I will check it out. -- Dianna ( talk) 18:00, 9 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hello, just wanted to ask you if you would be O.K to copy edit the Canada's Wonderland article. After what you did to the WindSeeker article, I think you'll improve this article a lot as well.-- Dom497 ( talk) 22:55, 10 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I am going to copy this to the Requests page so it does not get forgotten. Never mind, it is already there. ;) -- Dianna ( talk) 04:10, 11 September 2011 (UTC) reply

So are you up to copy editing the copy edit?-- Dom497 ( talk) 13:10, 11 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Yes or No???-- Dom497 ( talk) 00:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC) reply

If it is on the requests page, someone will get to it eventually. -- Dianna ( talk) 04:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Would you mind taking a look at my work over at Cajun Fiddle? I tried to dive into a copyedit......but it's a mess. Did I convey that? Did I use the right template? I wish I'd been a bit more polite.....seeing how I totally "missed" ref name!! Do I just delete it from my "working" list?? Bddmagic ( talk) 04:18, 11 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Yeah, if you are giving up, you should remove it from your list. Note the Skittle-pedia at the bottom of the page. I will have a look tomorrow. -- Dianna ( talk) 04:35, 11 September 2011 (UTC) reply

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Hi. I am Jivesh. Will you be able to copy-edit an article please? I have asked may people but they are all busy. Please reply. Jivesh • Talk2Me 17:56, 11 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Good morning. If you will not get time to do it, can you please suggest me someone else? Jivesh • Talk2Me 05:36, 12 September 2011 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Signatures reply

There are really not a lot of people doing copy edits right now. As you probably noticed, the request page is backlogged. Please be patient and list your copy edit requests at the requests page once your other items listed there have been completed. Sorry the reply could not be more favourable. -- Dianna ( talk) 13:59, 12 September 2011 (UTC) reply

It does not matter Diannaa. I know form my friends that you are very nice and that you always help when possible. Best of luck with your work. See you. Take care. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:16, 12 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I just finished copy editing Digital journalism; however, I would like a second copy editor to take a look at it, since it was a particularly difficult article to copy edit. Could you take a look at it? Thanks, The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 00:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Ok, I will look at it tomorrow. -- Dianna ( talk) 03:43, 12 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I have finished dealing with this article. This is a shockingly undersourced article considering the importance of the topic, but the copy editing process won't fix that. -- Dianna ( talk) 01:24, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

So do we both take credit for it in the drive? The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 03:51, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

You can have credit for the drive. -- Dianna ( talk) 03:53, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks! The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 12:56, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi

Sorry about that, my previous "I'm back" notice was shat on from a great height! The owner of the company I work for decided he was going to sell up and run away (well, that's my interpretation of it lol!). As a consequence I have been away from home much of the last week and only available for ten minutes here and there before falling asleep with my face in my food lol.

Anyway - things are calming down sort of and I have the rest of today off, though am back at work again till the weekend, so should be able to get some real work done (copyediting on Wiki lmao). Hope all is well - I aim to catch up on the September new additions project User:Chaosdruid/currentgoingson/Other (not touched for a week though) before getting down to some drive work.

Anything going on I need to know about? Chaosdruid ( talk) 16:21, 13 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I also started to do some checks on Wikid77s work, but got a little stuck on how to proceed on List of Buso Renkin characters. There are some basic omissions, such as boldface left in, grammar and prose issues etc, but the main issue is that the article was tagged as being in-universe and their solution seems to be adding a line to the lead saying "The characters are described, below, using in-universe tone." [5] (also their solution on Chouseishin Gransazer). They are also doing edits in one block, and removing POV and other tags which I am not sure is appropriate. How do you suggest proceeding here? Chaosdruid ( talk) 18:06, 13 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I have re-added the maintenance tags for the issues that have not been resolved, and done a little clean-up. Wikid should likely not be adding "span" to change the colour of text. That's all i have time to do right now as I have to be somewhere at 1 pm. More to follow. Regards, -- Dianna ( talk) 18:30, 13 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I have checked into it and they should not be adding "span" into the article. So I am going to remove that now. If you could offer suggerstions on their talk page as to how the copy edit itself could have been better, I would appreciate it as I have very limited time on wiki right now as I am doing a real-life thing that is consuming a lot of time right now. Thanks -- Dianna ( talk) 03:45, 14 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hey, Diannaa. I've signed up to review copyedits in the drive. Several of the "copyedits" I've come across have simply been tag removals. Nothing done in bad faith; the articles simply didn't need copyediting. However, when they're added to a user's "completed" list, it obviously seems like they're taking credit for something they simply did not do. I was wondering if this is considered acceptable or not. Thanks, Swarm ^{u / t} 18:11, 13 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Unfortunately it is not acceptable. Can you provide some more details please? Chaosdruid ( talk) 18:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Here and here. Someone else actually did the copyediting. I thought I came across a third, but for the life of me, I can't find it. Swarm ^{u / t} 19:03, 13 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I notice you have changed your sig a little! I think I preferred the old one, but I am sure this will grow on me :¬)

I think those are not acceptable as there was no editing done on the articles, simply removing tags is not really copyediting them :¬) I would wait for Diannaa to give you an affirmative action to take. There are some fairly obvious mistakes that should have been corrected though (dates with commas missing & the first paragraph of this section being two huge sentences, the second consisting of 78 words) so I am beginning to think that further checks may be needed. Chaosdruid ( talk) 19:15, 13 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Swarm, if you have time, it might be worthwhile to check all her drive copy edits and any that consist of only tag removal cannot be counted towards the Drive. Thanks. -- Dianna ( talk) 03:43, 14 September 2011 (UTC) reply

No problem. Swarm ^{u / t} 04:14, 14 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks so much :) -- Dianna ( talk) 04:16, 14 September 2011 (UTC) reply

After a review, I can confirm that those are the only two simple tag removals. It seems she was addressing copyedit tags that specified problems with ordinals (i.e. 44st, 21th). While she fixed the ordinals, she seemingly neglected to address the rest of the articles before de-tagging. Just within her first six articles, one still needed quite a bit of copyediting, and one was an obvious copyvio (from its single source). Skipping down the list at random, this leaves multiple short, unnecessary sections and lots of redundant information, and here a few commas are added but the language remains sloppy and in need of attention. While I don't enjoy sifting through contributions to find errors, in my opinion, Wilhelmina Will (while obviously capable of doing a great job) simply isn't being thorough enough. Anyway, I'd seek your further advise on the matter (or handle it how you want, or just tell me what you want me to do, really doesn't make a difference :P).

On a more positive note, my skeptical self looked through dozens of other 'completed' articles at random and overall, the thorough, dedicated work that's being done is fantastic. :) Swarm ^{u / t} 05:55, 14 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I see you have added remarks on her section of the drive page and removed one article, so I consider the check complete.. That's fantastic, as I will not have much time of the wiki until the weekend. I appreciate the time and effort you have put into this. I have corrected the leader board. -- Dianna ( talk) 14:18, 14 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thank you for your recent copy edit of WP:ADMAN. Your efforts have increased the readability by considerable margin. I hope your edit serves also as an endorsement of viability for the essay as well. And that perhaps you can find use for it in notifying some fine prospects that you have likely encountered. Again, thanks for bringing a rather in demand skill to bear on this essay, fine grammar and punctuation. My76Strat ( talk) 05:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi Diannaa! Can you delete the 3 minutes 36 seconds long version of this file (that's the whole song uploaded!) Thanks, Novice7 ( talk) 05:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

 Done -- Dianna ( talk) 05:37, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks Diannaa. Novice7 ( talk) 05:39, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I wish that you had not changed the navbox colors on the steamboat and ferries navboxes without prior consultation with other editors. I'm not going go all wikilawyer here, but it was my understanding that navbox colors, once selected by an editor, were not to be changed. I don't have time to find this guideline now, but I know that it exists. IMHO the standard colors make these navboxes less readable. While certainly I am open to discussion about this, it seems that you should have discussed the matter first. Mtsmallwood ( talk) 21:01, 15 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Adding colour to templates has an adverse impact on people reading WIkipedia with a screen reader, and poorly chosen color choices will adversely affect people who are colour blind or who need a high amount of contrast to discern the text (see WP:COLOR). WP:Deviations says that styles for tables and other block-level elements should be set using CSS classes, not with inline style attributes. The site-wide CSS in MediaWiki:Common.css has been carefully tested to ensure accessibility, such as adequate colour contrast, and compatibility with a wide range of browsers. What seems readable to you on your computer with your operating system, your browser, etc. will look very different to me, or to someone reading Wikipedia from an i-phone or a cell phone. In general, it is not a good idea to add random colours to templates or other areas of article space, as when the default site-wide classes are overridden, it makes it far more difficult for an individual to choose his/her own theme in their own preferences to accommodate problems such as visual impairments. -- Dianna ( talk) 01:25, 16 September 2011 (UTC) reply

you still didn't consult prior to making the change. Pshaw, wikipedia can get somebody else to write these articles. Mtsmallwood ( talk) 05:08, 16 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I apologise for not consulting you. -- Dianna ( talk) 05:17, 16 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Years of work on this whole area and not even a thank you, just "poor color choices". I'm done. Mtsmallwood ( talk) 05:22, 16 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Sorry to hear that. -- Dianna ( talk) 05:32, 16 September 2011 (UTC) reply

( talk page stalker)

Mtsmallwood: We're all volunteers here - getting a thank you is nice (and I see on your talk page history that you've received several over the years). It's a shame to throw out and discount all those past thank yous from multiple editors because someone made some edits with which you disagree. I urge you to consider just taking a break and return if/when you feel like editing again later.

Deanna: For what it's worth, I agree with resetting to the default colors, which has also been endorsed by community consensus in multiple discussions and which is documented at WP:Deviations and WP:Navbox#Properties. --- Barek ( talk • contribs) - 05:35, 16 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks. Mr Smallwood, I am sorry if you feel like quitting. It is an unexpected outcome, for sure. -- Dianna ( talk) 05:38, 16 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Is it too late to write a mid-drive newsletter? If not I'll get to work on it immediately. The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 13:28, 18 September 2011 (UTC) reply

that is a great idea. Thank you for your help. -- Dianna ( talk) 16:01, 18 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Sorry Dianna, a few things just came up in RL, so I probably won't be able to get to this until tomorrow afternoon at earliest. The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 02:40, 19 September 2011 (UTC) reply

The draft is available for editing here. Sorry if it's short and sloppy; I'm in a bit of a hurry today. The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 21:39, 19 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I don't know if it's okay to talk about, I usually keep my nose out of these things. What happened to JM - know who I mean? I can't make it out from the diffs. He seemed like a nice guy, helped me with stuff. Slight Smile 01:22, 19 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I remember he made that lovely box for your user page. Sorry, I don't know where he is at the moment. :( -- Dianna ( talk) 01:27, 19 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hello, Diannaa. You have new messages at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Newsletters/September 2011/2#Comments.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

-- The Utahraptor ^Talk/ _Contribs 16:26, 20 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Guild of Copy Editors September 2011 backlog elimination drive update Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors September 2011 Backlog elimination drive! Here's the mid-drive newsletter. Participation We have had 55 people sign up for this drive so far, and 31 have participated. If you have signed up but have not yet copy edited any articles, please consider doing so. Every bit helps! It's not too late to join the drive if you have not already done so. Another great way to help out is to watch-list the Coordinators talk page and participate in the ongoing development of the Guild. Progress report So far, we have reduced the backlog by 75 articles, or about 19% of our goal. We have also cleared January 2010 off of the queue and are close to clearing off February and March. If each participant were to copy edit two articles from February and March 2010, they would be completely eliminated from the queue. Rollover words Several concerns have been brought up this drive about the usage of rollover words. Rollover words only count if they're from the previous drive. For example, if you received 1,000 rollover words in March and didn't participate in May, your rollover words return to zero. This is to encourage participation in multiple consecutive drives. Your drive coordinators – Diannaa, Chaosdruid, The Utahraptor, Slon02 and SMasters

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• Dianaa: Just copyedited my first article for a drive ( Ammar Abdulhamid) and wonder (separately, beyond that article): is there any way Wikipedia could have the articles requested for copyediting sliced and diced in ways addition to alphabetical? Most helpful, IMHO, would be by broad wiki topics. For instance, the majority of entries I edit on my own for Wikipedia have to do with the Cold War and Espionage, two major wiki topics. -- Just a thought -- Aboudaqn ( talk)

You can sort the articles requiring copy edit using CatScan. Instructions appear here. Thank you for your interest in helping out with copy edits. -- Dianna ( talk) 04:32, 23 September 2011 (UTC) reply

	The Special Barnstar
	For lending a helping hand in copy-editing Jagadguru Rambhadracharya which was a required work to get the article to GA status. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ Talk Email 07:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Good morning (as your clock shows above :))! Could you copy-edit the article Jovan Vladimir? I've listed it for peer review, but I would really appreciate a quality copy-editing. I think that after that the article could be given a try at FAC. Vladimir ( talk) 16:29, 21 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi, Vladimir, and sorry for the delay in replying. I have decided to work on the article and will get started today or tomorrow. -- Dianna ( talk) 17:43, 24 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I'm glad for your decision :) The article is quite comprehensive, and I would also like it to be well written. If you find anything not clear enough, I'll be glad to clarify. Vladimir ( talk) 15:42, 26 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Hi Diannaa, I hope you're well. My name is Aaron and I'm one of the Storytellers working on the 2011 fundraiser for the Wikimedia Foundation. For this year's campaign, we're interviewing as many of the very active and productive Wikipedians as we can to broaden the range of appeals we run come November. I wonder if you would want to tell me more about your experiences editing and writing here? If so, I'll ask you your personal story and I'll ask you some general questions about Wikipedia. Please let me know if you're interesting by emailing amuszalskiwikimedia.org. Thanks! Aaron (WMF) ( talk) 01:01, 23 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thank you for the invitation. I have sent an e-mail. -- Dianna ( talk) 05:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC) reply

The second most recent edit to Praful Bidwai seems to satisfy criterion 2 of WP:CRD. Thanks. Lagrange613 ( talk) 19:37, 23 September 2011 (UTC) reply

 Done - Dianna ( talk) 20:12, 23 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks for your help. I've got another one for you: the last four edits to Washington and Lee University. Lagrange613 ( talk) 03:58, 27 September 2011 (UTC) reply

 Done -- Dianna ( talk) 04:25, 27 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks for copyediting the Debra article! (BTW, do you think it could be a GA with a few tweaks?) And also, at the end of the meteorological history section, I added a string of refs for the tornadoes. Is there a way I could make it look less crazy? HurricaneFan 25 20:38, 24 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I will get back to you on this, i got banking to do. TTYL -- Dianna ( talk) 20:51, 24 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I have done a thing using Ref Group Note, which can be reverted if you no likee. -- Dianna ( talk) 04:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Thanks, that will be most helpful. The usual way I check in an article of that size is to move all the general references into further reading and then systematically go through the each inline citation and move the general reference back up if it is used. I don't think Bibliography is an appropriate heading for two reasons the OED has four definitions for Bibliography (one is archaic) the closes fit to your usage is "4. A list of the books of a particular author, printer, or country, or of those dealing with any particular theme; the literature of a subject." but a general reference section is likely to include bullets points for journals, websites and newspapers all of which are not books so titling a section thus is confusing for readers, and, if the list does not to date include anything but books, may be seen by new editors as restricting. The second reason -- which does not apply in this case is -- is for biography articles. If the subject of the biography wrote books, it is not uncommon to call the section that list them a biography (which does fit the fourth definition in the OED) so naming the general reference section bibliography in biography articles is confusing. -- PBS ( talk) 21:51, 24 September 2011 (UTC) reply

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Hi. I've copy edited a few articles for the Sept drive. My first time. Would you mind checking one or two of them to see if my work is up to the expected standards. My articles are listed here. I'm pretty familiar with the MOS, and I read the copy-editing instructions, so I think I've got a good grasp of the expectations. But it is always good to have another pair of eyes. Thanks. -- Noleander ( talk) 21:38, 27 September 2011 (UTC) reply

Ok, will do tomorrow -- Dianna ( talk) 05:01, 28 September 2011 (UTC) reply

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Hello Dianaa. Regarding your changes to the Edmonton elections template, I have a few problems. Firstly the flatlist produces an error in the template, i.e. it produces dot separators after the end of the last link in each group, which shouldn't appear. Secondly, it makes the templates look awkward as the dots are not centrered between the links, but rather very close to the right-hand link, making it unbalanced. Thirdly, this change is not in line with the accessibility policy, which suggests that it is to be used only for lists in articles (Despite having hundreds of templates on my watchlist and editing hundreds more, I've never seen this before). I don't believe in applying it to only one or two templates unless you are going to do all of them, and for this you will need consensus to implement it accross Wikipedia. I suggest first trying to resolve problems 1 and 2, and then bringing up the subject at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility or the Village Pump. Cheers, Number 5 7 19:45, 28 September 2011 (UTC) reply

It is not the Flatlist template that is producing these errors; it looks fine in Firefox and in Chrome. I expect you are viewing the page with an outdated browser, probably an older version of Windows Internet Explorer. The Flatlist template is now an accepted way to present list material in navigation templates, as seen in the documentation at Template:Navbox#Examples. Regards, -- Dianna ( talk) 02:36, 29 September 2011 (UTC) reply

I use IE9 at home and the problem still appears. Sadly this is a common problem across Wikipedia that often people solve problems in Firefox, but forget that more people use IE. I'm more than happy for flatlist to be used, but those issues have to be resolved first (including for older versions of IE (probably back to 6 or 7), which are still commonly used). Number 5 7 08:42, 29 September 2011 (UTC) reply

User:Iadrian yu is a new meta/sock puppet of User:Iaasi. He was banned many times by anti-semite and chauvinist edits in English Wikipedia. Notice: Iaaasi uses more (ISP) Internet Providers from Romania.