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Thanks about Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh/Strategy. The same applies to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bangladesh/General. Apparently Wikipedia is becoming so numb that an editor cannot event rectify his/her mistakes without stumbling into red-tape stupidity. Please, have mercy, and see to the other pages as well. Aditya( talk • contribs) 20:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
For protecting Leeds Trinity University College so promptly! Pam D 19:16, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
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For helping to clean up the backlog at WP:RFPP. Bearian ( talk) 19:31, 11 July 2012 (UTC) |
Hi Thanks for the copyedit :) EnigmaMcmxc ( talk) 15:22, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Dianna. Thanks for reviewing that one -- it was very difficult to do especially because it's so speculative and the verb tenses needed to be adjusted to be clear about that. I do take issue with a few of your changes, which I've altered back in this edit. The edit summary ... um ... summarizes. Also, are you using a tool that insists unnecessarily on spaces in certain places? I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter whether section titles are spaced from their = signs, nor whether the # of a numbered list is spaced from its text. All best, Simon. -- Stfg ( talk) 22:42, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
The spacing habits are just personal preference that add to the readability of the page, and the section headers are made uniform using a script. No big deal; it adds nothing to load times. -- Dianna ( talk) 22:50, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Diannaa, could I please get some help regarding the strategy for using multiple cite references to a single book source? I would like to use multiple {{ cite book}} citations to the same book in an article—the only difference between each reference being the page number. Do I simply create multiple Cite Book citations with distinct ref names (with the aim of using LDR one day), e.g. name="BookName 1999 p.34", name="BookName 1999 p.50", name="BookName 1999 p.101" etc., or is there a mechanism to tie different refs back to a single defining citation (so that all the parameters don't have to be recreated in each template)? Cheers. GFHandel ♬ 00:05, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
| ref = harv
parameter in your citation templates. Check out
Eva Braun for a shortish article that uses this referencing system throughout. There's a script available for detecting errors in Harvard citations at
User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js. A new wikiproject—just recently launched—will eventually be the place to go for this kind of advice:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement. If there's anything you want me to do to help, please let me know. --
Dianna (
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You recently semi-protected the redirect Altoona Central Catholic School due to an IP undoing the deletion outcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Altoona Central Catholic School. As soon as this occured, Steelers628 ( talk · contribs), who is an SPA with similar edits that participated in the AfD, began doing the same thing in the IP's stead. I don't know if requesting full-protection or reporting the account would be better, but since you were the admin that semi-protected the page I figured you'd know how to best handle that, could you please take a look at it? Thank you. - Sudo Ghost 00:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
"However, he was interested in religion, and was much influenced by the work of C.G. Jung, who took religion seriously, if in an un-orthodox way." It is extracted from Chuck Fager. There are 3-4 assertions made in this sentence and it's not clear which one is considered to need a citation. WP is full of unsupported statements. We surely cannot put a citation on every sentence? An editor who failed to get this article speedily deleted, then proceeded to slap a 'citation needed' at the end of almost every para in the article. I suspect this editor has a POV prejudicial to the subject of the article (Fager). Your thoughts would be appreciated. I have done some editing of the article and removed some of the 'citation requests'. Now they are being put back on by an IP. -- Greenmaven ( talk) 04:42, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Dianna, sorry to bug you yet again, but me and user Sitush need your help. We are trying to clean the above article, but as you can see from these edits, there is a user who keeps reverting to non referenced stuff. Can you help? He won't even engage in a dialogue. Thanks SH 06:55, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for the heads up on my potential involvement at ANI. I have posted there to explain my position. Incivility and battleground editing are a cancer to the project and there is far too much leniency given to repeat offenders IMHO. Thanks again and while I am here, let me give you a big pile of brownies in recognition of your amazing work on WP especially on the GOCE project.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 22:22, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
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For helping the (at times) contentious article of Heinrich Himmler obtain GA status, I am buying a round of beers; so relax and drink up! Cheers, Kierzek ( talk) 15:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC) |
I second Kierzek's compliments for your outstanding work that helped bring the Himmler entry to GA. I offer you a cup of coffee to counteract any lingering effects of the cliffhanger review and the beer. Congratulations! Malljaja ( talk) 17:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC) |
Hi Diannaa,
Thanks for you attention.
I've tried the suggested unification procedure but I got "Login unification not complete!" message.
Besides the relation of attached Wikipedia sites, I got the following:
"The account 'Jonex' could not be automatically confirmed as belonging to you on the following sites; most likely they have a different password from your primary account: de.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org id.wikipedia.org pl.wikipedia.org sv.wikipedia.org"
At the bottom of the page, there is a "Finish merge" box which asks for a password: "If these accounts do belong to you, you can finish the login unification process simply by typing the passwords for the other accounts here:"
Could I possibly have made something wrong?
Thanks in advance, Portuguese Wikipedian Jonex — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.175.180.13 ( talk) 20:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Somebody keeps vandalising the plot and image. Can you put it on your watchlist? I've also restored the plot.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for copyediting Ombla article. I appreciate your effort very much. Tomobe03 ( talk) 20:52, 18 July 2012 (UTC) |
See Bob Hope; I am not convinced that cite templates do anything but create a bother, as most editors do not even know what information to add and with the proliferation of numerous templates, seemingly a different one to fit a different source, how can these be better than simply making the citation by hand? Just curious, not looking for an argument, just information. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 00:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC).
Once all the citations are in citation templates, they can be removed from their positions inline and placed down at the bottom; this system is called list-defined references. This system is good for articles that are pretty stable and use a lot of online sources. What happens is all the citations are brought down out of the prose and placed down-below in the references section. It makes editing the prose so much easier! but getting everything into templates is a necessary first step. Check out Reinhard Heydrich, which uses a combination of book and web citations with the web citations in list-defined references.
Okay, here's another thing: There's a script available for detecting errors in Harvard citations at User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js. Have a look at the documentation page at User:Ucucha/HarvErrors; you can see what it does: It highlights for the editor if there's a citation that does not align with any of the books in the bibliography, and highlights any books in the bibliography that are not actually cited. So there's an added level of verifiability; we don't have stuff cited to, say, "Smith (2004) p. 5" and there's no book by Smith listed in the sources. These arguments for citation templates are in addition to the technical advantages I already mentioned at Talk:Bob Hope. -- Dianna ( talk) 01:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
This is starting to make some sense, although my initial major criticism of the templates was that only one style was accommodated, that being based on the American Psychological Association (APA) style while the Modern Language Association (MLA) style guide was essentially ignored. I had asked many moons ago for some changes from the template designers and felt rebuffed by their admonition that if you didn't like to use the template system, no one forced you to use it. I considered the following as issues:
Once the debate on a recent talk page drew in other template warriors, I knew there would not be much more to say, except to someone that at least had a collegial and non-confrontational air about her comments. Thank you for that, and for the chat. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 02:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC).
Hi Dianna, please take a look at this article. There apppears to be an anon IP who is determined to addsome info. Thanks SH 12:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
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Some realize, sooner or later, that pinball is just a game, and is played by some seriously shady characters.
The numbers changed, I got bored. They will again, as will I.
Later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.36.25.10 ( talk) 12:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
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-- Thanks! Love your wee joke -- Dianna ( talk) 18:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up my mess. So that's why the admin logo is a mop... — Torchiest talk edits 22:46, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the pat on the back, and for tweaking The Mouse Comes to Dinner (whose plot summary is still longer than the cartoon, but I tried :-)). All the best, Miniapolis ( talk) 14:04, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Dianna. Here's the history file of that article. You'll see that Lfstevens copy edited it on 13 July and another user made additions on 15 July. Then User:Tambolong26 reverted to the version before the copy edit. After asking them not to do this and to work more collaboratively, I restored the improved version. However, Tambolong26 has done it again today. Please would you do whatever is appropriate? I will make Tambolong26 aware that I have posted this message. Regards, -- Stfg ( talk) 18:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
The editor's sole activity here has been to edit this one list, so I expect there are some ownership issues. I have reverted back to the IP's version and will watch-list. I also placed a note on Tambolong26's talk page. -- Dianna ( talk) 22:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Dianna. I'm in the middle of copy editing an article about a Canadian secondary school that lists its sports teams, including soccer, rugby and "football". What sort of football would that mean, for a Canadian school? I've marked it {dn} for now, but it might be nice to put in the right one if poss. TIA. -- Stfg ( talk) 16:27, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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Currently, the Speer entry is based on "a handful of English-language biographies and histories . . . the kind of reading one would do if you were writing a historical novel". (The quote is from Richard Evans's scathing review of what he called "[p]ossibly the worst" biography of Hitler ever written). When you revert my edit, you restore a propagandistic portrait of Speer that contains untenable assertions based on information that is years, in some cases nearly a decade, out of date. Germans were susceptible to Nazi propaganda because the government was in total control; there is no excuse for you to be keeping the article like something out of Nazi propaganda organs.
Take one egregious example: Before my edit, the lede—the lede—contained this: "Speer was so successful that Germany's war production continued to increase despite massive and devastating Allied bombing." Turning to pp. 556–7 of Tooze's book, which was published six years ago, one discovers: "The German war economy after 1942 was limited by the same fundamental trade-offs that had restricted it since the first years of the war. And by the summer of 1943, these constraints, combined with the first systematic attack against German industry by Allied bombers, brought Speer's 'miracle' to a complete halt." And note Tooze refers to it as a 'miracle' rather than a miracle; you'd know why if you'd have read Tooze's book. It is your error-strewn, moth-eaten article that commits POV—a pro-Speer POV. The same point can be made about Speer's anti-destruction efforts and his purported concern for German civilians.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think the fundamental problem is your arrogance not enjoying my correcting your outdated knowledge. You might like to think you know what you're talking about, but I would encourage you to extend your reading beyond standard popular works before involving yourself further. Worse, even if Schwendemann's article is locked away in JSTOR, Tooze's book is available in any major bookshop. Skirtsy My talk Edits 20:03, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
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[1] You do know that Gimmeetoo is an administrator, with all those extra powers? Malleus Fatuorum 00:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
There were some corrections over at the Sean Combs GA review. If you like I could help with the references and go through them myself. Bruce Campbell ( talk) 05:18, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks about Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh/Strategy. The same applies to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bangladesh/General. Apparently Wikipedia is becoming so numb that an editor cannot event rectify his/her mistakes without stumbling into red-tape stupidity. Please, have mercy, and see to the other pages as well. Aditya( talk • contribs) 20:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
For protecting Leeds Trinity University College so promptly! Pam D 19:16, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
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For helping to clean up the backlog at WP:RFPP. Bearian ( talk) 19:31, 11 July 2012 (UTC) |
Hi Thanks for the copyedit :) EnigmaMcmxc ( talk) 15:22, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Dianna. Thanks for reviewing that one -- it was very difficult to do especially because it's so speculative and the verb tenses needed to be adjusted to be clear about that. I do take issue with a few of your changes, which I've altered back in this edit. The edit summary ... um ... summarizes. Also, are you using a tool that insists unnecessarily on spaces in certain places? I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter whether section titles are spaced from their = signs, nor whether the # of a numbered list is spaced from its text. All best, Simon. -- Stfg ( talk) 22:42, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
The spacing habits are just personal preference that add to the readability of the page, and the section headers are made uniform using a script. No big deal; it adds nothing to load times. -- Dianna ( talk) 22:50, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Diannaa, could I please get some help regarding the strategy for using multiple cite references to a single book source? I would like to use multiple {{ cite book}} citations to the same book in an article—the only difference between each reference being the page number. Do I simply create multiple Cite Book citations with distinct ref names (with the aim of using LDR one day), e.g. name="BookName 1999 p.34", name="BookName 1999 p.50", name="BookName 1999 p.101" etc., or is there a mechanism to tie different refs back to a single defining citation (so that all the parameters don't have to be recreated in each template)? Cheers. GFHandel ♬ 00:05, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
| ref = harv
parameter in your citation templates. Check out
Eva Braun for a shortish article that uses this referencing system throughout. There's a script available for detecting errors in Harvard citations at
User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js. A new wikiproject—just recently launched—will eventually be the place to go for this kind of advice:
Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement. If there's anything you want me to do to help, please let me know. --
Dianna (
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00:32, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
You recently semi-protected the redirect Altoona Central Catholic School due to an IP undoing the deletion outcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Altoona Central Catholic School. As soon as this occured, Steelers628 ( talk · contribs), who is an SPA with similar edits that participated in the AfD, began doing the same thing in the IP's stead. I don't know if requesting full-protection or reporting the account would be better, but since you were the admin that semi-protected the page I figured you'd know how to best handle that, could you please take a look at it? Thank you. - Sudo Ghost 00:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
"However, he was interested in religion, and was much influenced by the work of C.G. Jung, who took religion seriously, if in an un-orthodox way." It is extracted from Chuck Fager. There are 3-4 assertions made in this sentence and it's not clear which one is considered to need a citation. WP is full of unsupported statements. We surely cannot put a citation on every sentence? An editor who failed to get this article speedily deleted, then proceeded to slap a 'citation needed' at the end of almost every para in the article. I suspect this editor has a POV prejudicial to the subject of the article (Fager). Your thoughts would be appreciated. I have done some editing of the article and removed some of the 'citation requests'. Now they are being put back on by an IP. -- Greenmaven ( talk) 04:42, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Dianna, sorry to bug you yet again, but me and user Sitush need your help. We are trying to clean the above article, but as you can see from these edits, there is a user who keeps reverting to non referenced stuff. Can you help? He won't even engage in a dialogue. Thanks SH 06:55, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for the heads up on my potential involvement at ANI. I have posted there to explain my position. Incivility and battleground editing are a cancer to the project and there is far too much leniency given to repeat offenders IMHO. Thanks again and while I am here, let me give you a big pile of brownies in recognition of your amazing work on WP especially on the GOCE project.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 22:22, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
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I've added a few editors who I think should be involved with the mediation. Will the bot make another round to notify them, or should I take action to that effect? Thanks. ~ GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 01:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
For helping the (at times) contentious article of Heinrich Himmler obtain GA status, I am buying a round of beers; so relax and drink up! Cheers, Kierzek ( talk) 15:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC) |
I second Kierzek's compliments for your outstanding work that helped bring the Himmler entry to GA. I offer you a cup of coffee to counteract any lingering effects of the cliffhanger review and the beer. Congratulations! Malljaja ( talk) 17:41, 16 July 2012 (UTC) |
Hi Diannaa,
Thanks for you attention.
I've tried the suggested unification procedure but I got "Login unification not complete!" message.
Besides the relation of attached Wikipedia sites, I got the following:
"The account 'Jonex' could not be automatically confirmed as belonging to you on the following sites; most likely they have a different password from your primary account: de.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org id.wikipedia.org pl.wikipedia.org sv.wikipedia.org"
At the bottom of the page, there is a "Finish merge" box which asks for a password: "If these accounts do belong to you, you can finish the login unification process simply by typing the passwords for the other accounts here:"
Could I possibly have made something wrong?
Thanks in advance, Portuguese Wikipedian Jonex — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.175.180.13 ( talk) 20:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Somebody keeps vandalising the plot and image. Can you put it on your watchlist? I've also restored the plot.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:45, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for copyediting Ombla article. I appreciate your effort very much. Tomobe03 ( talk) 20:52, 18 July 2012 (UTC) |
See Bob Hope; I am not convinced that cite templates do anything but create a bother, as most editors do not even know what information to add and with the proliferation of numerous templates, seemingly a different one to fit a different source, how can these be better than simply making the citation by hand? Just curious, not looking for an argument, just information. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 00:05, 19 July 2012 (UTC).
Once all the citations are in citation templates, they can be removed from their positions inline and placed down at the bottom; this system is called list-defined references. This system is good for articles that are pretty stable and use a lot of online sources. What happens is all the citations are brought down out of the prose and placed down-below in the references section. It makes editing the prose so much easier! but getting everything into templates is a necessary first step. Check out Reinhard Heydrich, which uses a combination of book and web citations with the web citations in list-defined references.
Okay, here's another thing: There's a script available for detecting errors in Harvard citations at User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js. Have a look at the documentation page at User:Ucucha/HarvErrors; you can see what it does: It highlights for the editor if there's a citation that does not align with any of the books in the bibliography, and highlights any books in the bibliography that are not actually cited. So there's an added level of verifiability; we don't have stuff cited to, say, "Smith (2004) p. 5" and there's no book by Smith listed in the sources. These arguments for citation templates are in addition to the technical advantages I already mentioned at Talk:Bob Hope. -- Dianna ( talk) 01:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
This is starting to make some sense, although my initial major criticism of the templates was that only one style was accommodated, that being based on the American Psychological Association (APA) style while the Modern Language Association (MLA) style guide was essentially ignored. I had asked many moons ago for some changes from the template designers and felt rebuffed by their admonition that if you didn't like to use the template system, no one forced you to use it. I considered the following as issues:
Once the debate on a recent talk page drew in other template warriors, I knew there would not be much more to say, except to someone that at least had a collegial and non-confrontational air about her comments. Thank you for that, and for the chat. FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 02:07, 19 July 2012 (UTC).
Hi Dianna, please take a look at this article. There apppears to be an anon IP who is determined to addsome info. Thanks SH 12:20, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Most of you are well educated, with deep philosophies. Pete Townshend works for me.
Some elevate pinball to a religion, with a structured church. Been there, done that.
Some realize, sooner or later, that pinball is just a game, and is played by some seriously shady characters.
The numbers changed, I got bored. They will again, as will I.
Later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.36.25.10 ( talk) 12:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
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For standing up for an unpopular position, and for fighting group-think in general. ~ GabeMc ( talk| contribs) 07:52, 21 July 2012 (UTC) |
-- Thanks! Love your wee joke -- Dianna ( talk) 18:25, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up my mess. So that's why the admin logo is a mop... — Torchiest talk edits 22:46, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the pat on the back, and for tweaking The Mouse Comes to Dinner (whose plot summary is still longer than the cartoon, but I tried :-)). All the best, Miniapolis ( talk) 14:04, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Dianna. Here's the history file of that article. You'll see that Lfstevens copy edited it on 13 July and another user made additions on 15 July. Then User:Tambolong26 reverted to the version before the copy edit. After asking them not to do this and to work more collaboratively, I restored the improved version. However, Tambolong26 has done it again today. Please would you do whatever is appropriate? I will make Tambolong26 aware that I have posted this message. Regards, -- Stfg ( talk) 18:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
The editor's sole activity here has been to edit this one list, so I expect there are some ownership issues. I have reverted back to the IP's version and will watch-list. I also placed a note on Tambolong26's talk page. -- Dianna ( talk) 22:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Dianna. I'm in the middle of copy editing an article about a Canadian secondary school that lists its sports teams, including soccer, rugby and "football". What sort of football would that mean, for a Canadian school? I've marked it {dn} for now, but it might be nice to put in the right one if poss. TIA. -- Stfg ( talk) 16:27, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
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Could you take a look at this guy's contributions please? He has vandalised several pages and is a brand new user. I think he needs to be blocked. He has ignored warnings. -- Greenmaven ( talk) 05:56, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
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Currently, the Speer entry is based on "a handful of English-language biographies and histories . . . the kind of reading one would do if you were writing a historical novel". (The quote is from Richard Evans's scathing review of what he called "[p]ossibly the worst" biography of Hitler ever written). When you revert my edit, you restore a propagandistic portrait of Speer that contains untenable assertions based on information that is years, in some cases nearly a decade, out of date. Germans were susceptible to Nazi propaganda because the government was in total control; there is no excuse for you to be keeping the article like something out of Nazi propaganda organs.
Take one egregious example: Before my edit, the lede—the lede—contained this: "Speer was so successful that Germany's war production continued to increase despite massive and devastating Allied bombing." Turning to pp. 556–7 of Tooze's book, which was published six years ago, one discovers: "The German war economy after 1942 was limited by the same fundamental trade-offs that had restricted it since the first years of the war. And by the summer of 1943, these constraints, combined with the first systematic attack against German industry by Allied bombers, brought Speer's 'miracle' to a complete halt." And note Tooze refers to it as a 'miracle' rather than a miracle; you'd know why if you'd have read Tooze's book. It is your error-strewn, moth-eaten article that commits POV—a pro-Speer POV. The same point can be made about Speer's anti-destruction efforts and his purported concern for German civilians.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I think the fundamental problem is your arrogance not enjoying my correcting your outdated knowledge. You might like to think you know what you're talking about, but I would encourage you to extend your reading beyond standard popular works before involving yourself further. Worse, even if Schwendemann's article is locked away in JSTOR, Tooze's book is available in any major bookshop. Skirtsy My talk Edits 20:03, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your review of Stephen Colbert at the 2006 White House Correspondents' Association Dinner!
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[1] You do know that Gimmeetoo is an administrator, with all those extra powers? Malleus Fatuorum 00:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
There were some corrections over at the Sean Combs GA review. If you like I could help with the references and go through them myself. Bruce Campbell ( talk) 05:18, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
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Hello D. I just want to let you know that this IP 90.199.99.147 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) has returned to exactly the same editing pattern for which you blocked them. Whoever this person is they have edited from several IP addresses all locating to Burton-on-Trent and they have never responded to messages or changed the way they edit. Thanks for your time. MarnetteD | Talk 20:07, 31 July 2012 (UTC)