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Hi Dave,
Welcome to Wikipedia.
I want to say first of all that I have very little in the way of involvement with David Talbott's article, but if you need some help on the matter please take it up on biographies of living person's noticeboard. They should be able to help you with any and all issues related to problems with that page.
Secondly, the user talk pages are generally considered user domain to remove comments as they see fit. The relevant policy is WP:USER. I said "RL stalker?!" with a question mark because it looked superficially like you were stalking me from other locations (in Real Life). However, it was meant mostly in jest and I want to be clear that I do not consider you to be a real life stalker and I apologize if it offended you in any way.
All the best,
ScienceApologist ( talk) 02:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
which is from WP:USER which I have already read, hence this line of action.Your userpage is for anything that is compatible with the Wikipedia project. It is a mistake to think of it as a homepage as Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, nor social networking site. Instead, think of it as a way of organizing the work that you are doing on the articles in Wikipedia, and also a way of helping other editors to understand with whom they are working.
- Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines
The purpose of a Wikipedia talk page is to provide space for editors to discuss changes to its associated article or project page. Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views. .
[...].
The policies that apply to articles also apply (if not to the same extent) to talk pages, including Wikipedia's verification, neutral point of view and no original research policies. There is of course some reasonable allowance for speculation, suggestion and personal knowledge on talk pages, with a view to prompting further investigation, but it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements.
Pay particular attention to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons:
Editors should remove any negative material about living persons that is either unsourced, relies upon sources that do not meet standards specified in Wikipedia:Reliable sources or is a conjectural interpretation of a source.
- Both ScienceApologist and Phraedrus7 are displaying blatant diregard for Wikipedia policy in their abuse of talk page space. Davesmith au ( talk) 02:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I am writing in response your post to Wikipedia:Third opinion. I have reviewed the discussion linked and find that it is very lengthy without a clear indication as to what is disputed. Perhaps you could elaborate slightly. Are you trying to get part of the talk page deleted or is something else the issue? Thanks! (EhJJ) TALK 01:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
In the first instance, you seem to have a peculiar conception of what is acceptable content regarding BLP with respect to "negativity" and failure to discriminate between it and "criticism" and fair "description". For instance, describing a living serial killer as a "serial killer" is certainly "negative", but true and an essential part of the bio for Dennis Rader, the BTK Kansas serial killer: "Dennis Lynn Rader (born March 9, 1945) is an American serial killer who murdered 10 people in Sedgwick County (in and around Wichita, Kansas), between 1974 and 1991. He was known as the BTK killer (or the BTK strangler), which stands for "bind, torture and kill" and describes his modus operandi. He sent boastful letters describing the details of the killings to police and to local news outlets during the period of the in which the murders took place. After a long hiatus in the 1990's, he resumed sending letters in 2004, leading to his 2005 arrest and subsequent conviction." See < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader>. Similarly, if someone has made a career promoting some pseudoscience or other, he might fairly be described as a "pseudoscientist". Velikovsky, for example, contstantly objected to being labelled as such, but the conclusion cannot be denied once someone examines what Velikovsky believed and promoted through his writing.
In the second instance, with regard to your objectivity in editing the David Talbott bio, you would have been more objective citing well-known criticism such as that by Ashton, Rose and James, than by identifying Ben Ged Low for the first time as the producer for the second video documentary. This is an irrelevant factoid. You seem to be resisting the idea that Talbott's beliefs are flawed and even wrong as anyone can discover merely by reading Talbott's sources for themselves, as Velikovsky constantly exhorted the epigoni to do.
In the third instance, I have no special COI concerning David Talbott, it being the same COI as I have for the ideas of Immanuel Velikovsky, Zecharia Sitchin, Donald Patten, John "Angiras" Ackerman, James McCanney, and all other crackpots or pseudoscientists who promulgate their fantasies in the face of demonstrations of their falsity and misconceptions and proofs of their erroneousness. When Talbott confronted Jensen's relating that the Babylonians reverred both the "Pole of the Equator" (Talbott's idee fixe) and the "Pole of the Ecliptic" (which has no meaning in Talbott's model) by saying "I certainly cannot accept" that (see The Saturn Myth, p. 342, n. 60), he gave up any claim to being a true scholar and showed himself to be just another huckster of hokum. Oh, but excuse me, that's just another instance of "original research". Phaedrus7 ( talk) 23:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Please do not make statements attacking people or groups of people. Wikipedia has a strict policy against personal attacks. Attack pages and images are not tolerated by Wikipedia and are speedily deleted. Users who continue to create or repost such pages and images in violation of our biographies of living persons policy will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you.
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jps (
talk)
04:41, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
User:Davesmith au/pigwrestling, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Davesmith au/pigwrestling and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Davesmith au/pigwrestling during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Beeblebrox ( talk) 18:48, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
Given the history of harassment and incivility by and against this editor, I felt your comments were inappropriate and removed them. My apologies if you feel I overstepped in my refactoring. Go ahead and use your best judgement in how to respond. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
G'day, you might be interested in a Request for Comments on the talk page of Plasma cosmology about the deletion of a section. Cheers Aarghdvaark ( talk) 13:57, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I was following this discussion. I did start a holding page for a WikiProject to help in allowing editors to produce Encyclopedic articles in this area. But I wonder if that is premature at the moment. After examining this area again I wonder if what is needed is a page titled something like "Controversy in Plasma Cosmology" or "Controversy in Cosmology Science" ? That way pro and anti people in the controversy might both be satisfied. Those who regard the entire episode as "anti-science" would be able to edit in pertinent parts of the history, while other parties would be able to edit in what they know. This could make a page that is informative to those who have casually encountered the controversy and simply want to know what is going on. Personally I don't want to use WP to promote either pro or against any scientific hypothesis. What concerns me is that WP is effectively being blocked from what it does best; allowing parties from both "sides" of an area to put in well sourced edits. DJ Barney ( talk) 13:06, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
So now the Society for Interdisciplinary Studies (SIS) has been excised from this so-called encyclopedia. Regardless of what one thinks of the SIS (or any other organization) surely the fact that it exists and that is has a current membership and that it produces journals would indicate that some mention in a 'people's encyclopedia' would be warranted? It's not as though it doesn't exist, like some foolish editor included an erroneous wiki page just for fun. It's a real, existing organization and I cannot see the sense in removing it from 'the sum of all human knowledge'... Wikipedia has to be the biggest farce on the internet. What a joke.
And to add insult to injury, a (the?) most disruptive influence has now wormed his way back into wankerpedialand and begun his none-too-subtle attacks on anything he's not happy seeing in his favorite egostroking corner of the internet... Appearing humble and staying away from talk pages for the moment, I sense a wolfe in sheep's clothing... or is it a sheep in wolfe's clothing?...
User:Dtalbott/bio notes, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dtalbott/bio notes and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Dtalbott/bio notes during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. jps ( talk) 11:36, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
User:Dtalbott/bio notes, a page which you created or substantially contributed to (or which is in your userspace), has been nominated for
deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dtalbott/bio notes (2nd nomination) and please be sure to
sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of
User:Dtalbott/bio notes during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.
jps (
talk)
19:55, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
Welcome!
Hello, Davesmith au, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your messages on
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tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out
Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}}
before the question. Again, welcome!
Hi Dave,
Welcome to Wikipedia.
I want to say first of all that I have very little in the way of involvement with David Talbott's article, but if you need some help on the matter please take it up on biographies of living person's noticeboard. They should be able to help you with any and all issues related to problems with that page.
Secondly, the user talk pages are generally considered user domain to remove comments as they see fit. The relevant policy is WP:USER. I said "RL stalker?!" with a question mark because it looked superficially like you were stalking me from other locations (in Real Life). However, it was meant mostly in jest and I want to be clear that I do not consider you to be a real life stalker and I apologize if it offended you in any way.
All the best,
ScienceApologist ( talk) 02:57, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
which is from WP:USER which I have already read, hence this line of action.Your userpage is for anything that is compatible with the Wikipedia project. It is a mistake to think of it as a homepage as Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, nor social networking site. Instead, think of it as a way of organizing the work that you are doing on the articles in Wikipedia, and also a way of helping other editors to understand with whom they are working.
- Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines
The purpose of a Wikipedia talk page is to provide space for editors to discuss changes to its associated article or project page. Article talk pages should not be used by editors as platforms for their personal views. .
[...].
The policies that apply to articles also apply (if not to the same extent) to talk pages, including Wikipedia's verification, neutral point of view and no original research policies. There is of course some reasonable allowance for speculation, suggestion and personal knowledge on talk pages, with a view to prompting further investigation, but it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements.
Pay particular attention to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons:
Editors should remove any negative material about living persons that is either unsourced, relies upon sources that do not meet standards specified in Wikipedia:Reliable sources or is a conjectural interpretation of a source.
- Both ScienceApologist and Phraedrus7 are displaying blatant diregard for Wikipedia policy in their abuse of talk page space. Davesmith au ( talk) 02:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
I am writing in response your post to Wikipedia:Third opinion. I have reviewed the discussion linked and find that it is very lengthy without a clear indication as to what is disputed. Perhaps you could elaborate slightly. Are you trying to get part of the talk page deleted or is something else the issue? Thanks! (EhJJ) TALK 01:04, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
In the first instance, you seem to have a peculiar conception of what is acceptable content regarding BLP with respect to "negativity" and failure to discriminate between it and "criticism" and fair "description". For instance, describing a living serial killer as a "serial killer" is certainly "negative", but true and an essential part of the bio for Dennis Rader, the BTK Kansas serial killer: "Dennis Lynn Rader (born March 9, 1945) is an American serial killer who murdered 10 people in Sedgwick County (in and around Wichita, Kansas), between 1974 and 1991. He was known as the BTK killer (or the BTK strangler), which stands for "bind, torture and kill" and describes his modus operandi. He sent boastful letters describing the details of the killings to police and to local news outlets during the period of the in which the murders took place. After a long hiatus in the 1990's, he resumed sending letters in 2004, leading to his 2005 arrest and subsequent conviction." See < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Rader>. Similarly, if someone has made a career promoting some pseudoscience or other, he might fairly be described as a "pseudoscientist". Velikovsky, for example, contstantly objected to being labelled as such, but the conclusion cannot be denied once someone examines what Velikovsky believed and promoted through his writing.
In the second instance, with regard to your objectivity in editing the David Talbott bio, you would have been more objective citing well-known criticism such as that by Ashton, Rose and James, than by identifying Ben Ged Low for the first time as the producer for the second video documentary. This is an irrelevant factoid. You seem to be resisting the idea that Talbott's beliefs are flawed and even wrong as anyone can discover merely by reading Talbott's sources for themselves, as Velikovsky constantly exhorted the epigoni to do.
In the third instance, I have no special COI concerning David Talbott, it being the same COI as I have for the ideas of Immanuel Velikovsky, Zecharia Sitchin, Donald Patten, John "Angiras" Ackerman, James McCanney, and all other crackpots or pseudoscientists who promulgate their fantasies in the face of demonstrations of their falsity and misconceptions and proofs of their erroneousness. When Talbott confronted Jensen's relating that the Babylonians reverred both the "Pole of the Equator" (Talbott's idee fixe) and the "Pole of the Ecliptic" (which has no meaning in Talbott's model) by saying "I certainly cannot accept" that (see The Saturn Myth, p. 342, n. 60), he gave up any claim to being a true scholar and showed himself to be just another huckster of hokum. Oh, but excuse me, that's just another instance of "original research". Phaedrus7 ( talk) 23:53, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Please do not make statements attacking people or groups of people. Wikipedia has a strict policy against personal attacks. Attack pages and images are not tolerated by Wikipedia and are speedily deleted. Users who continue to create or repost such pages and images in violation of our biographies of living persons policy will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you.
If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hang on}}
to the top of
the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion, or "db", tag; if no such tag exists, then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hang-on tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on
the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines.
jps (
talk)
04:41, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
User:Davesmith au/pigwrestling, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Davesmith au/pigwrestling and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Davesmith au/pigwrestling during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Beeblebrox ( talk) 18:48, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
Given the history of harassment and incivility by and against this editor, I felt your comments were inappropriate and removed them. My apologies if you feel I overstepped in my refactoring. Go ahead and use your best judgement in how to respond. -- Ronz ( talk) 18:11, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
G'day, you might be interested in a Request for Comments on the talk page of Plasma cosmology about the deletion of a section. Cheers Aarghdvaark ( talk) 13:57, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Hello. I was following this discussion. I did start a holding page for a WikiProject to help in allowing editors to produce Encyclopedic articles in this area. But I wonder if that is premature at the moment. After examining this area again I wonder if what is needed is a page titled something like "Controversy in Plasma Cosmology" or "Controversy in Cosmology Science" ? That way pro and anti people in the controversy might both be satisfied. Those who regard the entire episode as "anti-science" would be able to edit in pertinent parts of the history, while other parties would be able to edit in what they know. This could make a page that is informative to those who have casually encountered the controversy and simply want to know what is going on. Personally I don't want to use WP to promote either pro or against any scientific hypothesis. What concerns me is that WP is effectively being blocked from what it does best; allowing parties from both "sides" of an area to put in well sourced edits. DJ Barney ( talk) 13:06, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
So now the Society for Interdisciplinary Studies (SIS) has been excised from this so-called encyclopedia. Regardless of what one thinks of the SIS (or any other organization) surely the fact that it exists and that is has a current membership and that it produces journals would indicate that some mention in a 'people's encyclopedia' would be warranted? It's not as though it doesn't exist, like some foolish editor included an erroneous wiki page just for fun. It's a real, existing organization and I cannot see the sense in removing it from 'the sum of all human knowledge'... Wikipedia has to be the biggest farce on the internet. What a joke.
And to add insult to injury, a (the?) most disruptive influence has now wormed his way back into wankerpedialand and begun his none-too-subtle attacks on anything he's not happy seeing in his favorite egostroking corner of the internet... Appearing humble and staying away from talk pages for the moment, I sense a wolfe in sheep's clothing... or is it a sheep in wolfe's clothing?...
User:Dtalbott/bio notes, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dtalbott/bio notes and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Dtalbott/bio notes during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. jps ( talk) 11:36, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
User:Dtalbott/bio notes, a page which you created or substantially contributed to (or which is in your userspace), has been nominated for
deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Dtalbott/bio notes (2nd nomination) and please be sure to
sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of
User:Dtalbott/bio notes during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you.
jps (
talk)
19:55, 11 April 2017 (UTC)