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Hello Dan. I have been following this mediation case, and am somewhat concerned about how it is progressing. I haven't really followed many mediation cases, but I wouldn't have thought they normally proceed like this. I see the same old rhetoric repeated again and again, and I see a lot of circular logic and questionable references to Wikipedia policy, both of which seem to be intended to confuse the issue.
If I may be so bold as to offer my opinion here, I hope it will help. From my perspective, I think there are two problems:
I think these two issues need to be decoupled and addressed semi-independently. For example, some of the guidelines in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (flags) would seem to apply to the second issue, but not the first. Does a template like Template:Lists of Marilyns really need flags? Probably not. But I think the reason for removing them from that template is irrelevant when deciding what the Northern Ireland infobox should contain.
As for the first issue, I think the crux of the matter is which of two POVs is more neutral:
I hope you don't mind me offering my opinion here, and I hope it helps even a bit. I didn't want to contribute to the noise that the mediation talk page has become, but I also didn't want to just sit and say nothing as that debate deteriorated. Thanks, Andrwsc 21:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Dan, I was wondering if you would consider taking up the Iraq War mediation case. I think the #1 thing that needs to happen is that everybody needs to calm down and start rationally relating to one another, and after that it should be easy. Do you think you would be able to help us out? -- I. Pankonin ( t/ c) 23:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't consider myself to be on Ipankonin's or Wayne's side because I no longer agree with either one's version of the lead. I had originally agreed upon a version with Ipankonin, but after reading through Wayne & Co.'s arguments I must agree that my version contained language which is inappropriate for the lead. However, I do not think that Wayne's version gives a fully accurate picture of the state of Iraq's WMD programs as determined by the ISG. How do you want to proceed with the medation?-- Rise Above The Vile 02:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Dan, the mediation has stalled again. I thought we were close to a compromise on List of British flags- following your and Ras's suggestion. I added in my compromise position for Template:UKFlags and requested comments. However Padraig deleted the whole section of my comments. I first assumed he made a mistake, so I restored it, but he removed it again with this comment [1]. Astrotrain 20:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree to the request for a few days break. Any ideas on how to continue when that period ends would be welcome. The eidt war has also spread to Flag of Northern Ireland, so it would be good to solve this soon. Astrotrain 21:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
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message thanks for helping out my students! You made a lasting impression on them! Thelmadatter ( talk) 17:06, 26 November 2007 (UTC) |
Regarding your message on closing the mediation, I would agree with that, but I wouldn't regard it as a total failure, if anything it highlighted the fact that they cannot provide any WP:RS to support the uses of the flag that they sought, outside of the uses I put forward initialy. Therefore their edit warring is based on WP:OR and can be reverted using existing Wikipedia policies.-- Padraig ( talk) 23:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Can you do me a favor & delete the last "comment" section that was added to the Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Northern Ireland flag usage page, after the case was closed? It's unhelpful, & was just used as an excuse for two editors to slader me & level various false charges such as edit warring & sock puppetry. Fennessy 19:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have a question. Am I allowed to put comments under other people's statements?-- Jerrch 19:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Dantheman531,
I've started to clean up the Adopters' list. You appear to have changed username since you added yourself to the list but not updated your info there. In case you're still interested, can you kindly update your information? Or, if you're not interested any more, would you mind removing yourself? Thank you and happy editing, Snowolf How can I help? 22:44, 21 December 2007 (UTC)~~
(12/15/2007) You told me (Fushapa) that I had altered a page improperly, yet I have never seen the page until you gave me the message. It seems to me that my account has been hacked into. Can you look into this please? Fushapa ( talk) 00:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
This was your message: Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Karan Johar, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. --דניאל - Dantheman531 20:11, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
==New Semester, New Appeal==This semester I am teaching academic writing to a group of teachers at my school. This course starts on Monday Jan 28. I would like to know if you are still interesting in "mentoring". You can see the syllabus at Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/SyllabusIf so, please leave a message on my talk page and update the mentor's page Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/Mentors, if . If not, please remove your name and information from that page. Thanks! Thelmadatter ( talk) 00:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello Dantheman531, I have granted rollback rights to your account. The reason for this is that, after a review of some of your contributions, I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended use of reverting vandalism: I do not believe you will abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck. Acalamari 23:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I know there are a lot here but many are very short stubs. If there are a lot of grammar mistakes, just tag it with a clean up tag. I did not require that they wikify the articles due to time. Final versions for grading purposes are due Tue Feb 5 so any help you can give would be appreciated.
Santa Clara del Cobre, San Felipe del Progreso, Villa de allende, Ixtapan del Oro, Zumpahuacán, San Juan del Río, Nautla, Santo_tomas_de_los_platanos, Tejupilco, Saint Vincent (island), Jilotepec, Tlacotepec, Palizada, Santa Gertrudis (This student wrote about the town in Oaxaca State but it redirects to Misión Santa Gertrudis in Baja California. The student´s stub is under the information about the mission), Álvaro Obregón (municipality), Zentla, Bernal, Querétaro, Temoaya, Acambay, Xpu Há, Chapa de Mota, Pasorapa, Huasca_de_Ocampo, Malinalco, Mexico State, Almoloya de Júarez, Polotitlan, Córdoba, Veracruz, Mexicaltzingo, Lagunillas, Michoacán, [Ixcateopan]], Benito Júarez, Quintana Roo, Jocotitlan, Ixtlahuaca, Temascaltepec, Teapa, Tabasco, Huandacareo, Zualcapan, México, Capulhuac, Xalatlaco, Boca del Cielo
Thelmadatter ( talk) 00:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Malinalco, Valle, Tlalpujahua, Xonotla, Otumba, Aculco de Espinoza, Lerma, Tonatico, Luvianos, Tarimoro, Guanajuato, Tambopata - Candamo, Donato Guerra, Angangeo, Huixquilucan, Tlatlaya, Jiquipilco, Juchitepec
Again thanks! The students are taking your tagging their articles to heart. Thelmadatter ( talk) 20:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Otzoloapan, San Jose Villa de Allende, Temascalcingo, El Oro Thelmadatter ( talk) 23:47, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hello Dan. I have been following this mediation case, and am somewhat concerned about how it is progressing. I haven't really followed many mediation cases, but I wouldn't have thought they normally proceed like this. I see the same old rhetoric repeated again and again, and I see a lot of circular logic and questionable references to Wikipedia policy, both of which seem to be intended to confuse the issue.
If I may be so bold as to offer my opinion here, I hope it will help. From my perspective, I think there are two problems:
I think these two issues need to be decoupled and addressed semi-independently. For example, some of the guidelines in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (flags) would seem to apply to the second issue, but not the first. Does a template like Template:Lists of Marilyns really need flags? Probably not. But I think the reason for removing them from that template is irrelevant when deciding what the Northern Ireland infobox should contain.
As for the first issue, I think the crux of the matter is which of two POVs is more neutral:
I hope you don't mind me offering my opinion here, and I hope it helps even a bit. I didn't want to contribute to the noise that the mediation talk page has become, but I also didn't want to just sit and say nothing as that debate deteriorated. Thanks, Andrwsc 21:11, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Dan, I was wondering if you would consider taking up the Iraq War mediation case. I think the #1 thing that needs to happen is that everybody needs to calm down and start rationally relating to one another, and after that it should be easy. Do you think you would be able to help us out? -- I. Pankonin ( t/ c) 23:36, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't consider myself to be on Ipankonin's or Wayne's side because I no longer agree with either one's version of the lead. I had originally agreed upon a version with Ipankonin, but after reading through Wayne & Co.'s arguments I must agree that my version contained language which is inappropriate for the lead. However, I do not think that Wayne's version gives a fully accurate picture of the state of Iraq's WMD programs as determined by the ISG. How do you want to proceed with the medation?-- Rise Above The Vile 02:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Dan, the mediation has stalled again. I thought we were close to a compromise on List of British flags- following your and Ras's suggestion. I added in my compromise position for Template:UKFlags and requested comments. However Padraig deleted the whole section of my comments. I first assumed he made a mistake, so I restored it, but he removed it again with this comment [1]. Astrotrain 20:03, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree to the request for a few days break. Any ideas on how to continue when that period ends would be welcome. The eidt war has also spread to Flag of Northern Ireland, so it would be good to solve this soon. Astrotrain 21:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
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The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar | |
message thanks for helping out my students! You made a lasting impression on them! Thelmadatter ( talk) 17:06, 26 November 2007 (UTC) |
Regarding your message on closing the mediation, I would agree with that, but I wouldn't regard it as a total failure, if anything it highlighted the fact that they cannot provide any WP:RS to support the uses of the flag that they sought, outside of the uses I put forward initialy. Therefore their edit warring is based on WP:OR and can be reverted using existing Wikipedia policies.-- Padraig ( talk) 23:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Can you do me a favor & delete the last "comment" section that was added to the Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Northern Ireland flag usage page, after the case was closed? It's unhelpful, & was just used as an excuse for two editors to slader me & level various false charges such as edit warring & sock puppetry. Fennessy 19:34, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I have a question. Am I allowed to put comments under other people's statements?-- Jerrch 19:46, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Dantheman531,
I've started to clean up the Adopters' list. You appear to have changed username since you added yourself to the list but not updated your info there. In case you're still interested, can you kindly update your information? Or, if you're not interested any more, would you mind removing yourself? Thank you and happy editing, Snowolf How can I help? 22:44, 21 December 2007 (UTC)~~
(12/15/2007) You told me (Fushapa) that I had altered a page improperly, yet I have never seen the page until you gave me the message. It seems to me that my account has been hacked into. Can you look into this please? Fushapa ( talk) 00:02, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
This was your message: Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Karan Johar, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. --דניאל - Dantheman531 20:11, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
==New Semester, New Appeal==This semester I am teaching academic writing to a group of teachers at my school. This course starts on Monday Jan 28. I would like to know if you are still interesting in "mentoring". You can see the syllabus at Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/SyllabusIf so, please leave a message on my talk page and update the mentor's page Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/Mentors, if . If not, please remove your name and information from that page. Thanks! Thelmadatter ( talk) 00:28, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello Dantheman531, I have granted rollback rights to your account. The reason for this is that, after a review of some of your contributions, I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended use of reverting vandalism: I do not believe you will abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck. Acalamari 23:57, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I know there are a lot here but many are very short stubs. If there are a lot of grammar mistakes, just tag it with a clean up tag. I did not require that they wikify the articles due to time. Final versions for grading purposes are due Tue Feb 5 so any help you can give would be appreciated.
Santa Clara del Cobre, San Felipe del Progreso, Villa de allende, Ixtapan del Oro, Zumpahuacán, San Juan del Río, Nautla, Santo_tomas_de_los_platanos, Tejupilco, Saint Vincent (island), Jilotepec, Tlacotepec, Palizada, Santa Gertrudis (This student wrote about the town in Oaxaca State but it redirects to Misión Santa Gertrudis in Baja California. The student´s stub is under the information about the mission), Álvaro Obregón (municipality), Zentla, Bernal, Querétaro, Temoaya, Acambay, Xpu Há, Chapa de Mota, Pasorapa, Huasca_de_Ocampo, Malinalco, Mexico State, Almoloya de Júarez, Polotitlan, Córdoba, Veracruz, Mexicaltzingo, Lagunillas, Michoacán, [Ixcateopan]], Benito Júarez, Quintana Roo, Jocotitlan, Ixtlahuaca, Temascaltepec, Teapa, Tabasco, Huandacareo, Zualcapan, México, Capulhuac, Xalatlaco, Boca del Cielo
Thelmadatter ( talk) 00:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Malinalco, Valle, Tlalpujahua, Xonotla, Otumba, Aculco de Espinoza, Lerma, Tonatico, Luvianos, Tarimoro, Guanajuato, Tambopata - Candamo, Donato Guerra, Angangeo, Huixquilucan, Tlatlaya, Jiquipilco, Juchitepec
Again thanks! The students are taking your tagging their articles to heart. Thelmadatter ( talk) 20:29, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Otzoloapan, San Jose Villa de Allende, Temascalcingo, El Oro Thelmadatter ( talk) 23:47, 1 February 2008 (UTC)