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... you are expanding the article on Dalida. She was a lovely entertainer and cross-cultural ambassador. Please let me know when you finish, so I may copy-edit if needed (that's how I found this article in the first place). All the Best, Shir-El too 09:41, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, DalidaEditor. Happy New Year to you! 2019 is coming soon. Can you creat the article "2019 in France" in English Wikipedia? Thanks a lot!
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Hello DalidaEditor I am writing you in regards to your Wikipedia contribution about Dalida's voice under the section "Vocal and musical styles", where you've cited this: "Dalida had an alto singing voice, combined with male Verdi baritone as it could extend down to G2, which is unusual. Her vocal range was the equivalent of 33 piano keys, a 2.54 octave range." Well, permit me to tell you that your contribution lacks precision and has a lot of erroneous information, not to mention the lack of references. First of all, she had a contralto voice, not an alto. Alto is a term used in choirs and it can't describe vocal fach, especially soloist voices. May I ask you about your sources in regards to your mentioning her voice being combined with male Verdi Baritone and being able to reach G2???? And about vocal range, it is amateurish to count the number of piano keys and is seldom used among musicians. I tried so many times to correct your misleading information, but alas, you seem offended by my contribution. I assume your mentioning of the Verdi Baritone stems from a French documentary about her "Dalida, le grand voyage" where it is mentioned that she used to accompany her dad to the Cairo opera where she sang over Verdi Baritone roles, but how come that you only retained this and didn't pay attention to the other mentioned fact about her voice being able to sing at ease in both low and high register? And in an old French interview of her she mentioned that she used to sing Verdi baritone roles, and she sang in deed Largo al Factotum. but if you had the trouble to assess her vocal performance, she never sang the low notes (which are very few in the aria itself) and she remained in the common range between Tenor and Contralto. It is common in France to use the verb "barytoner" to describe especially women singing with a loud chest voice or heavily belting, without particularly meaning that she is singing low Baritone notes. Thus you rely on an expression and not on solid scientific proofs. And then you copied and pasted the Wikipedia definition of Verdi Baritone without any further discussion or inquiring. You omitted the fact that the Verdi Baritone is a dramatic voice while Dalida had a less powerful voice (in terms of Decibels and projection), you also neglected the core characteristic of the Verdi Baritone voice which is being "capable of singing consistently and with ease in the highest part of the baritone range", thus the stress is on the highest part (which overlaps the tenor and Contralto range) not the low G2, and this is the main reason for comparing Dalida's voice to Verdi Baritone, which is singing heavily and powerfully the medium range with a dark tone of voice. And just a reminder: the usual baritone tessitura is D3 to Sib4, and it is higher for Verdi Baritone. If anything, Dalida's voice should rather be compared to Baryton-Martin. So again, you solely rely on an expression used as for literary effect and not on solid scientific proof. But still, can you cite me one vocal performance of her where she reached low G2? I for myself, had studied her voice for more than 20 years, and consulted a lot of voice teachers and experts who told me that she had a Mezzo-Contralto voice, with equal ease in both the low and high registers. And my mentioning of her range and tessitura are accurate and scientific I can support my contribution with facts and can name the songs where she reaches the mentioned notes, what about you? I am waiting for your response, but if you failed to respond, I will reedit your post and I will back up my contribution with references. Best regards.
Hello. You said you were not offended, and thus you deliberately reedited my correction of Dalida's Childhood in Cairo, where there is erroneous information in regards to her parents and grandparents. Both of her parents were born in Egypt, her grandparents had emigrated from Calabria in 1893 (ironically I used a web page posted on your blog http://www.ansa.it/canale_viaggiart/it/regione/calabria/2017/10/30/dalida-icona-musica-con-radici-calabresi_8ba1cb44-284e-4144-8516-801f69f42f05.html), the reference you used (Dalida's official website) simply states that "she came from an Italian family which had emigrated to Egypt" without any further detail about who were born where and again you've added extra information referring it to this source, I am fluent in English, and French and Italian, and if you refer to her official biography (Mon frère tu écriras mes mémoires by Catherine Rihoit) you'll see that both of her parents were born in Egypt, and that her maternal grandmother Elena was from Puglia and had left Italy because she was a single mother and that her daughter (Dalida's mother) was born out of wedlock, and that her grandmother Elena was the one who bought the house and offered to her daughter Giuseppina after her marriage, that the sister of her paternal grandmother Rosa was married to Ruggiero Duse cousin of the great actress Eleonora Duse, rival of Sarah Bernhardt...
As for the Vocal profile, her is what I've written: Dalida had a contralto singing voice, although it was rather a Mezzo-contralto which is the equal of the basso cantabile or Bass-Baryton for men; her singing range was almost three octaves (from C#3 to Bb5) while her tessitura was from (D3/Eb3) to Bb4 /C5, thus her voice spanned over tenor, contralto and [[mezzo-soprano registers.. Like Amalia Rodrigues and Edith Piaf she seldom used her falsetto and head voice and her singing explored the expressive range in her voice lying in the low chest register and the middle register. There is some misconception about her being able sing Verdi Baritone parts and reaching a low G2, which is untrue, and originates from her appearance in a French tv interview in the late 50's where she sang Rossini's Largo al Factotum from his opera The Barber of Seville, where she executed the high parts of the aria with a heavy vocal technique which gave the impression that she was singing low, whereas she stayed in her usual contralto range (Eb3 to Bb4).
And the Refrences are
- Mon frère tu écriras mes mémoires by Catherine Rihoit (where Dalida had said in an interview to «Jours de France»/ 21.1.74 that her voice goes high up to Bb5)
- http://dalida.com/courrier/courrier-des-lecteurs/lire-les-reponses/2765-mp.html
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvpfxTHl8vE where she sings Largo al Factotum and any musician can measure the lowest note she reaches which is Eb3 though she darkens her voice to sound like a Baritone but she is still a Mezzo-Contralto.
So for you (and the others who constantly reedit me) to decide if my remarks have any value. Regards 212.101.237.115 ( talk) 18:02, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Sure I would like to. BTW, I appreciate your work and efforts to Dalida's profile, and that is what we all fans have in common. Don't worry, but please for God's sake, remove this Verdi Bartione and Low G2 thing, totally false and misleading. I understand that is a misconception. And believe me you're not the only one. There were a famous Italian songwriter called Paolo Limiti, who once was hosted on an Italian Tv show to talk about Dalida and Luigi Tenco's affair ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSGEEOzA2t8), well he said that Dalida used to work as a servant in Paris before getting famous, which is totally wrong, and I could understand where that might have come from: it's because of the fact that she lived in a single room on the roof, which is called in French "chambre de bonne", so he thought that she was a servant (bonne). I am telling you this to bring to your attention how much it is delicate to translate from one language to another, hence the term "lost in translation".... I could tell you thousand of stories about Dalida, like how when still a rising singer performing in cabarets, King Farouk came one night and when he knew that she was from Egypt he asked to have her sit at his table after her number, and she accepted out of respect for him because he was once her monarch though she never sat with customers, so he tried to put his hands on her leg, and Booooomm what do you know? she slaped him and went away!!!
Hello, thanks for updating the vocal category, though I have some remarks about it. Why is it important to count the piano keys? The last phrase is somehow incorrect (expressively ranged chest voice). She is a contralto sings in the contralto register , Mezzo-contratlo is an extra added definition to give further precision about her voice characteristic being able to sing both low and high with much ease. I suggest to rarrange the part of her voice spanning over tenor, contralto and mezzo-soprano registers or to re-adapt it, though it is very common for trained voices to overlap both the adjacent registers below and above, nothing special about it. I suggest we mention that she sang by ear, as she couldn't read music. so here is the update I propose:
Dalida had a Contralto singing voice or more precisely a Mezzo-contralto, (equal of basso cantante for men). Her vocal range was approximately of 3 octaves from C#3 to Bb5, her tessitura stretched over 2 octaves from D3/Eb3 to Bb4/C5. Dalida seldom used her falsetto and head voice so her singing was mostly confined within her expressive chest voice range. While her singing voice belongs to the contralto range, some of her songs pertained to either the tenor key or mezzo-soprano keys due to the ease her voice had in carrying both the low and mid-high registers. Her voice had a unique velvety rich dark color characterized by a pleasing harmonious vibrato and an androgynous tone that made her voice instantly recognizable. Dalida sang by ear, and couldn't read music.
Dalida was very much influenced by Amalia Rodrigues in her debuts... shouldn't this be added? at the beginning of the 80's she quit smoking and her voice had become lighter and softer and quite amazingly slightly higher in pitch... A major part of her French hits were covers of foreign hits, and she had such a vocal charisma that any song she sand would become instantly hers...
I have a proposition to make, about her fashion Icon status, she was a very chic fashionable icon with exquisite taste, up till now her dresses and toilettes are still trendy nowadays... We could elaborate much on this, and I will make some researches and provide you with the references. Also her long blonde hair which was part of her persona... In september 1983 she had a new look that made her hair so much shorter, and she regretted it, and couldn't wait to have it grow back to its usual length.... (again I will provide you with references) Also about the evolution of her looks and make up, from heavy kohl or eyeliner to natural make up and her metamorphosis from brunette to redhead (beginning of 60's) to blonde (august 1964)... Also about her quest to educate herself, she was a free auditor of Philosophy at the Sorbonnes, and her conversion to Buddhism in the late 60's after the SanRemo tragedy 67... her exprience with Freud and she had a Freudian psychoanalysis which she qualified as penible as walking down to hell (descente a l'enfer).
About her parents, I gave you the reference (the Italian website you've used on your blog, it says clearly that her grandparents had emigrated to Egypt in 1893). Her parents were born in Egypt.
Best regards.
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Hello, today you reverted an edit I made on the Dalida page, where I changed the word "actress" to "actor" in the introduction. Actor is nowadays the preferred gender-neutral term for this profession, actress is quickly becoming outdated, similarly to "stewardess", which has been replaced with "flight attendant", etc. You didn't provide an explanation for reverting my edit. Would you care to clarify why you did so? werewolf ( talk) 03:02, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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Hello,
You recently changed Dalida's nationality again. I invite you to re-read the discussion page where factual proof attesting to her dual Franco-Italian nationality has been provided. It was even agreed to leave it written like this in the introduction.
With regard to the article of the song Le jour où la pluie viendra (Dalida's version), you have also deleted my contributions, there also ignoring all the sources which informed real figures. In addition, you criticize a work of research and sources even though it must be so with each contribution. For information, the song Le jour où la pluie viendra released in 1957 was first a success in France, then in Quebec and Spain before being translated into German (Am tag als der regen kam) and becoming a success across the Rhine in 1959. What is the point of keeping the translation of the title in German as the title of the article when the original song is Le jour où la pluie viendra ? Why not take in these cases the title translated into Spanish as it appeared in the Hispanic charts? Do you see the limits of such reasoning?
Can you please take part in the debate? And I beg you to bring your sources. All this in the sole interest of improving all articles concerning Dalida which are currently non-encyclopedic and for some not at all factual. As far as I am concerned, you can easily find all my sources. They have already been given.
To help you, don't let yourself be blinded by the displayed passion you have for the singer. Dalida had a very fine international career.
Sincerely yours,
wishing you very good future contributions -- Elenora.C ( talk) 02:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
You mix ethnicity, feelings with nationality and country law. I have already provided the sources showing that Dalida never had Egyptian nationality. In which case, we should have written italo-egypto-french. On the other hand, she has a birth certificate which attests to her Italian nationality. But also identity papers. Both countries recognize dual nationality. This is a fact. No tacit loss of Italian nationality; Italy preserving it for its nationals despite marriage to foreigner after the date of January 1, 1948. From the moment when the law grants to preserve Italian nationality, it is necessary for this to already possess it. Also no decree of naturalization of Dalida found in the OJ in France stipulating a formal renunciation of her Italian nationality. QED. Clearly, what can you say about Italian law and uninterrupted possession and French law (dual citizenship)? Aren't they real sources? Did I invent them? Am I responsible for this? Elenora.C ( talk) 14:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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I was engaged in edit war on Dalida. But I did not start it. + the users who were part of it alongside me, recieved none warnings as did I. + one of the users who was engaged in it alongside me, warned me on my talk page. Isn't it biased to be part of edit war and then warn the other user how he may be blocked?? It should be done by third-party. I even appealed on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Edit war - User:Binksternet. Then a third-party joined, and warned aagain solely me! Dalida Editor please ping or message me 02:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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Hello DalidaEditor I am writing you in regards to your Wikipedia contribution about Dalida's voice under the section "Vocal and musical styles", where you've cited this: "Dalida had an alto singing voice, combined with male Verdi baritone as it could extend down to G2, which is unusual. Her vocal range was the equivalent of 33 piano keys, a 2.54 octave range." Well, permit me to tell you that your contribution lacks precision and has a lot of erroneous information, not to mention the lack of references. First of all, she had a contralto voice, not an alto. Alto is a term used in choirs and it can't describe vocal fach, especially soloist voices. May I ask you about your sources in regards to your mentioning her voice being combined with male Verdi Baritone and being able to reach G2???? And about vocal range, it is amateurish to count the number of piano keys and is seldom used among musicians. I tried so many times to correct your misleading information, but alas, you seem offended by my contribution. I assume your mentioning of the Verdi Baritone stems from a French documentary about her "Dalida, le grand voyage" where it is mentioned that she used to accompany her dad to the Cairo opera where she sang over Verdi Baritone roles, but how come that you only retained this and didn't pay attention to the other mentioned fact about her voice being able to sing at ease in both low and high register? And in an old French interview of her she mentioned that she used to sing Verdi baritone roles, and she sang in deed Largo al Factotum. but if you had the trouble to assess her vocal performance, she never sang the low notes (which are very few in the aria itself) and she remained in the common range between Tenor and Contralto. It is common in France to use the verb "barytoner" to describe especially women singing with a loud chest voice or heavily belting, without particularly meaning that she is singing low Baritone notes. Thus you rely on an expression and not on solid scientific proofs. And then you copied and pasted the Wikipedia definition of Verdi Baritone without any further discussion or inquiring. You omitted the fact that the Verdi Baritone is a dramatic voice while Dalida had a less powerful voice (in terms of Decibels and projection), you also neglected the core characteristic of the Verdi Baritone voice which is being "capable of singing consistently and with ease in the highest part of the baritone range", thus the stress is on the highest part (which overlaps the tenor and Contralto range) not the low G2, and this is the main reason for comparing Dalida's voice to Verdi Baritone, which is singing heavily and powerfully the medium range with a dark tone of voice. And just a reminder: the usual baritone tessitura is D3 to Sib4, and it is higher for Verdi Baritone. If anything, Dalida's voice should rather be compared to Baryton-Martin. So again, you solely rely on an expression used as for literary effect and not on solid scientific proof. But still, can you cite me one vocal performance of her where she reached low G2? I for myself, had studied her voice for more than 20 years, and consulted a lot of voice teachers and experts who told me that she had a Mezzo-Contralto voice, with equal ease in both the low and high registers. And my mentioning of her range and tessitura are accurate and scientific I can support my contribution with facts and can name the songs where she reaches the mentioned notes, what about you? I am waiting for your response, but if you failed to respond, I will reedit your post and I will back up my contribution with references. Best regards.
Hello. You said you were not offended, and thus you deliberately reedited my correction of Dalida's Childhood in Cairo, where there is erroneous information in regards to her parents and grandparents. Both of her parents were born in Egypt, her grandparents had emigrated from Calabria in 1893 (ironically I used a web page posted on your blog http://www.ansa.it/canale_viaggiart/it/regione/calabria/2017/10/30/dalida-icona-musica-con-radici-calabresi_8ba1cb44-284e-4144-8516-801f69f42f05.html), the reference you used (Dalida's official website) simply states that "she came from an Italian family which had emigrated to Egypt" without any further detail about who were born where and again you've added extra information referring it to this source, I am fluent in English, and French and Italian, and if you refer to her official biography (Mon frère tu écriras mes mémoires by Catherine Rihoit) you'll see that both of her parents were born in Egypt, and that her maternal grandmother Elena was from Puglia and had left Italy because she was a single mother and that her daughter (Dalida's mother) was born out of wedlock, and that her grandmother Elena was the one who bought the house and offered to her daughter Giuseppina after her marriage, that the sister of her paternal grandmother Rosa was married to Ruggiero Duse cousin of the great actress Eleonora Duse, rival of Sarah Bernhardt...
As for the Vocal profile, her is what I've written: Dalida had a contralto singing voice, although it was rather a Mezzo-contralto which is the equal of the basso cantabile or Bass-Baryton for men; her singing range was almost three octaves (from C#3 to Bb5) while her tessitura was from (D3/Eb3) to Bb4 /C5, thus her voice spanned over tenor, contralto and [[mezzo-soprano registers.. Like Amalia Rodrigues and Edith Piaf she seldom used her falsetto and head voice and her singing explored the expressive range in her voice lying in the low chest register and the middle register. There is some misconception about her being able sing Verdi Baritone parts and reaching a low G2, which is untrue, and originates from her appearance in a French tv interview in the late 50's where she sang Rossini's Largo al Factotum from his opera The Barber of Seville, where she executed the high parts of the aria with a heavy vocal technique which gave the impression that she was singing low, whereas she stayed in her usual contralto range (Eb3 to Bb4).
And the Refrences are
- Mon frère tu écriras mes mémoires by Catherine Rihoit (where Dalida had said in an interview to «Jours de France»/ 21.1.74 that her voice goes high up to Bb5)
- http://dalida.com/courrier/courrier-des-lecteurs/lire-les-reponses/2765-mp.html
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvpfxTHl8vE where she sings Largo al Factotum and any musician can measure the lowest note she reaches which is Eb3 though she darkens her voice to sound like a Baritone but she is still a Mezzo-Contralto.
So for you (and the others who constantly reedit me) to decide if my remarks have any value. Regards 212.101.237.115 ( talk) 18:02, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Sure I would like to. BTW, I appreciate your work and efforts to Dalida's profile, and that is what we all fans have in common. Don't worry, but please for God's sake, remove this Verdi Bartione and Low G2 thing, totally false and misleading. I understand that is a misconception. And believe me you're not the only one. There were a famous Italian songwriter called Paolo Limiti, who once was hosted on an Italian Tv show to talk about Dalida and Luigi Tenco's affair ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSGEEOzA2t8), well he said that Dalida used to work as a servant in Paris before getting famous, which is totally wrong, and I could understand where that might have come from: it's because of the fact that she lived in a single room on the roof, which is called in French "chambre de bonne", so he thought that she was a servant (bonne). I am telling you this to bring to your attention how much it is delicate to translate from one language to another, hence the term "lost in translation".... I could tell you thousand of stories about Dalida, like how when still a rising singer performing in cabarets, King Farouk came one night and when he knew that she was from Egypt he asked to have her sit at his table after her number, and she accepted out of respect for him because he was once her monarch though she never sat with customers, so he tried to put his hands on her leg, and Booooomm what do you know? she slaped him and went away!!!
Hello, thanks for updating the vocal category, though I have some remarks about it. Why is it important to count the piano keys? The last phrase is somehow incorrect (expressively ranged chest voice). She is a contralto sings in the contralto register , Mezzo-contratlo is an extra added definition to give further precision about her voice characteristic being able to sing both low and high with much ease. I suggest to rarrange the part of her voice spanning over tenor, contralto and mezzo-soprano registers or to re-adapt it, though it is very common for trained voices to overlap both the adjacent registers below and above, nothing special about it. I suggest we mention that she sang by ear, as she couldn't read music. so here is the update I propose:
Dalida had a Contralto singing voice or more precisely a Mezzo-contralto, (equal of basso cantante for men). Her vocal range was approximately of 3 octaves from C#3 to Bb5, her tessitura stretched over 2 octaves from D3/Eb3 to Bb4/C5. Dalida seldom used her falsetto and head voice so her singing was mostly confined within her expressive chest voice range. While her singing voice belongs to the contralto range, some of her songs pertained to either the tenor key or mezzo-soprano keys due to the ease her voice had in carrying both the low and mid-high registers. Her voice had a unique velvety rich dark color characterized by a pleasing harmonious vibrato and an androgynous tone that made her voice instantly recognizable. Dalida sang by ear, and couldn't read music.
Dalida was very much influenced by Amalia Rodrigues in her debuts... shouldn't this be added? at the beginning of the 80's she quit smoking and her voice had become lighter and softer and quite amazingly slightly higher in pitch... A major part of her French hits were covers of foreign hits, and she had such a vocal charisma that any song she sand would become instantly hers...
I have a proposition to make, about her fashion Icon status, she was a very chic fashionable icon with exquisite taste, up till now her dresses and toilettes are still trendy nowadays... We could elaborate much on this, and I will make some researches and provide you with the references. Also her long blonde hair which was part of her persona... In september 1983 she had a new look that made her hair so much shorter, and she regretted it, and couldn't wait to have it grow back to its usual length.... (again I will provide you with references) Also about the evolution of her looks and make up, from heavy kohl or eyeliner to natural make up and her metamorphosis from brunette to redhead (beginning of 60's) to blonde (august 1964)... Also about her quest to educate herself, she was a free auditor of Philosophy at the Sorbonnes, and her conversion to Buddhism in the late 60's after the SanRemo tragedy 67... her exprience with Freud and she had a Freudian psychoanalysis which she qualified as penible as walking down to hell (descente a l'enfer).
About her parents, I gave you the reference (the Italian website you've used on your blog, it says clearly that her grandparents had emigrated to Egypt in 1893). Her parents were born in Egypt.
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Hello, today you reverted an edit I made on the Dalida page, where I changed the word "actress" to "actor" in the introduction. Actor is nowadays the preferred gender-neutral term for this profession, actress is quickly becoming outdated, similarly to "stewardess", which has been replaced with "flight attendant", etc. You didn't provide an explanation for reverting my edit. Would you care to clarify why you did so? werewolf ( talk) 03:02, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
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I looked at random three articles: Sharon Stone, Audrey Tautou, Ingrid Bergman and found there: American actress, French actress, Swedish actress. It seems to me that the replacement of the “actress” by the “actor” is not a consensus at the moment. Perhaps Revirvlkodlaku need a broader discussion of this issue, rather than edits in a single article. Nicoljaus ( talk) 15:32, 3 June 2019 (UTC) |
Please stop reverting - there is a discussion on the article talk page and as you will see there, the claims you make above are factually incorrect. It really seems as if you are disrupting Wikipedia to make a point and that is of course unacceptable. Participate in the talk page discussion - and please note that you do not own the article and your opinions carry no greater weight than those of other editors. -- bonadea contributions talk 18:54, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
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Do you see the extra single quote at the end, there? 09:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
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Hello,
You recently changed Dalida's nationality again. I invite you to re-read the discussion page where factual proof attesting to her dual Franco-Italian nationality has been provided. It was even agreed to leave it written like this in the introduction.
With regard to the article of the song Le jour où la pluie viendra (Dalida's version), you have also deleted my contributions, there also ignoring all the sources which informed real figures. In addition, you criticize a work of research and sources even though it must be so with each contribution. For information, the song Le jour où la pluie viendra released in 1957 was first a success in France, then in Quebec and Spain before being translated into German (Am tag als der regen kam) and becoming a success across the Rhine in 1959. What is the point of keeping the translation of the title in German as the title of the article when the original song is Le jour où la pluie viendra ? Why not take in these cases the title translated into Spanish as it appeared in the Hispanic charts? Do you see the limits of such reasoning?
Can you please take part in the debate? And I beg you to bring your sources. All this in the sole interest of improving all articles concerning Dalida which are currently non-encyclopedic and for some not at all factual. As far as I am concerned, you can easily find all my sources. They have already been given.
To help you, don't let yourself be blinded by the displayed passion you have for the singer. Dalida had a very fine international career.
Sincerely yours,
wishing you very good future contributions -- Elenora.C ( talk) 02:50, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
You mix ethnicity, feelings with nationality and country law. I have already provided the sources showing that Dalida never had Egyptian nationality. In which case, we should have written italo-egypto-french. On the other hand, she has a birth certificate which attests to her Italian nationality. But also identity papers. Both countries recognize dual nationality. This is a fact. No tacit loss of Italian nationality; Italy preserving it for its nationals despite marriage to foreigner after the date of January 1, 1948. From the moment when the law grants to preserve Italian nationality, it is necessary for this to already possess it. Also no decree of naturalization of Dalida found in the OJ in France stipulating a formal renunciation of her Italian nationality. QED. Clearly, what can you say about Italian law and uninterrupted possession and French law (dual citizenship)? Aren't they real sources? Did I invent them? Am I responsible for this? Elenora.C ( talk) 14:39, 14 May 2022 (UTC)
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Stop edit warring at Dalida. I told you, if you feel your edits are correct, have it requested to be protected. Stop repeatedly putting your own edits back after they have been reverted. RHF 19 ( talk) 22:45, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
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I was engaged in edit war on Dalida. But I did not start it. + the users who were part of it alongside me, recieved none warnings as did I. + one of the users who was engaged in it alongside me, warned me on my talk page. Isn't it biased to be part of edit war and then warn the other user how he may be blocked?? It should be done by third-party. I even appealed on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Edit war - User:Binksternet. Then a third-party joined, and warned aagain solely me! Dalida Editor please ping or message me 02:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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Didn't your parents ever say the immortal phrase "I don't care who started it"? See also WP:NOTTHEM. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 04:01, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
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