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Hi DFoidl, wanted to take the Tarpan discussion over here. The article says extinction was 1909 in one place and 1918 in another. I take no position which date is correct, it just has to be consistent. A google search is inconclusive, partly because "tarpan" is used to describe other European wild horses, not just e. ferus ferus The Smithsonian says 1909, for what that's worth. As for the "breeding back," we have had past versions of this article that tried to promote the bred-back horses as "real" tarpans, so it is important to educate the reader on this point. Montanabw (talk) 15:36, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Montanabw, ok, it seems clear to me. By the way, tomorrow I'll grossly extend the breeding history of the Konik. I gathered some quite interesting information from an objective source. By the way, I still think the 2nd paragraph on the Tarpan article still misses a ".", don't you think? I really dislike the ambiguity of the term "Tarpan". If we'd restrict that term to what colloquially has been called that way, it would probably only refer to wild horse populations and possibly feral populations in the south of the former Russian empire (in Poland, they weren't called "Tarpan", afaik). Most refer to all populations of wild horses western to the Ural region that have been mentioned in historic sources. Others want to call all members of Equus ferus ferus "Tarpan". I really don't like this, it makes the whole area very ambiguous. However, I think the solution of that problem we have in the current article is good. DFoidl ( talk) 16:44, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, but it is the colloquial term for the Eurasian wild horse by convention. Pieter Boddeart was the first to use the word in the scientific literature in 1768 and it became a trend, but ordinary people in Europe probably didn't use that word. So it's not the same like the term "aurochs" relates to the animal it refers to, as it is a derivation of names that have been used by the european people since the late antiquity. Whatever, it is how it is. -- DFoidl ( talk) 12:44, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
In German this word also became established as a synonym for the European/western wild horse, Equus ferus ferus, I just wanted to point out that the original meaning of the word in the region it originated is not the same as the modern meaning, and that it has, in contrast to "aurochs" for instance, no millennia-long history of colloquial usage in Europe. I just wanted to clarify this, because some say "the tarpan may actually have been a hybrid/feral population", which is impossible per definitionem if we define the meaning of the term as the predomestic western eurasian wild horse. But nevermind, lol. ;-) DFoidl ( talk) 23:08, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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Could you provide evidence or sources for a scientific consensus that zebu and taurine cattle, which have been domesticated separately, together form a species separate from the aurochs? Many, many, many thanks. :-)
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You provided sources that list them as one species (which is ok as long as the aurochs is included in that species too, no matter if the name for that species is B. taurus or B. primigenius), but no actual evidence for zebus and taurine cattle being one species and the aurochs another, separate species.
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Hi DFoidl, wanted to take the Tarpan discussion over here. The article says extinction was 1909 in one place and 1918 in another. I take no position which date is correct, it just has to be consistent. A google search is inconclusive, partly because "tarpan" is used to describe other European wild horses, not just e. ferus ferus The Smithsonian says 1909, for what that's worth. As for the "breeding back," we have had past versions of this article that tried to promote the bred-back horses as "real" tarpans, so it is important to educate the reader on this point. Montanabw (talk) 15:36, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi Montanabw, ok, it seems clear to me. By the way, tomorrow I'll grossly extend the breeding history of the Konik. I gathered some quite interesting information from an objective source. By the way, I still think the 2nd paragraph on the Tarpan article still misses a ".", don't you think? I really dislike the ambiguity of the term "Tarpan". If we'd restrict that term to what colloquially has been called that way, it would probably only refer to wild horse populations and possibly feral populations in the south of the former Russian empire (in Poland, they weren't called "Tarpan", afaik). Most refer to all populations of wild horses western to the Ural region that have been mentioned in historic sources. Others want to call all members of Equus ferus ferus "Tarpan". I really don't like this, it makes the whole area very ambiguous. However, I think the solution of that problem we have in the current article is good. DFoidl ( talk) 16:44, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, but it is the colloquial term for the Eurasian wild horse by convention. Pieter Boddeart was the first to use the word in the scientific literature in 1768 and it became a trend, but ordinary people in Europe probably didn't use that word. So it's not the same like the term "aurochs" relates to the animal it refers to, as it is a derivation of names that have been used by the european people since the late antiquity. Whatever, it is how it is. -- DFoidl ( talk) 12:44, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
In German this word also became established as a synonym for the European/western wild horse, Equus ferus ferus, I just wanted to point out that the original meaning of the word in the region it originated is not the same as the modern meaning, and that it has, in contrast to "aurochs" for instance, no millennia-long history of colloquial usage in Europe. I just wanted to clarify this, because some say "the tarpan may actually have been a hybrid/feral population", which is impossible per definitionem if we define the meaning of the term as the predomestic western eurasian wild horse. But nevermind, lol. ;-) DFoidl ( talk) 23:08, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
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My edit was not a "theory". :-)
Could you provide evidence or sources for a scientific consensus that zebu and taurine cattle, which have been domesticated separately, together form a species separate from the aurochs? Many, many, many thanks. :-)
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I'm quite sure that there are enough interwiki conflicts already. Any help is welcome. 89.206.112.10 ( talk) 11:39, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
You provided sources that list them as one species (which is ok as long as the aurochs is included in that species too, no matter if the name for that species is B. taurus or B. primigenius), but no actual evidence for zebus and taurine cattle being one species and the aurochs another, separate species.
Hello DFoidl. Are you connected to this project? Your edits suggest you are. Invasive Spices ( talk) 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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neutralityand
Bad reference & nonsense, will start discussion tomorrow) errant and undid them. You have been previously alerted to the existence of WP:3RR, a core policy to Wikipedia, and continued edit-warring past the new warnings. Anyone is welcome to edit Wikipedia, but there are certain well-publicized standards and an editor who has been around more than a decade is expected to follow them. I'll keep the discussion on Talk:Heck cattle on ice until you can edit that page again. In the meantime, please consider my comments there and determine if you can formulate an argument in accordance with those standards. ~ Pbritti ( talk) 20:56, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
neutrality), Justlettersandnumbers undid that deletion (edit summary:
Seems to be adequately sourced), and then you again removed that content (edit summary:
bad reference & nonsense, will start discussion tomorrow.). Instead of doing that, you should have either a.) waited until you had time to start the conversation on the talk page or b.) provided more specificity in your edit summary. Since you failed to do either, I reverted you twice: first immediately in concurrence with Justlettersandnumbers (which you immediately undid, so that's the upper limit of 3 reverts for you per WP:3RR) and then a second time after 15 hours of no discussion opened on the talk page. You violated 3RR shortly afterwards in this edit. I did not revert you again after the discussion was opened (instead, I had added a different passage back) but you seem to have mistaken this for me reverting you and you undid that edit too, violating 3RR a second time in intent if not effect.
I blocked you on my own without any request from Pbritti. If you continue the harassment, I can convert the block to indefinite. Cullen328 ( talk) 19:48, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
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