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Hello, Clio. Can you confirm any sources referring to German World War II ships, specifically the Thielbek or Cap Arcona, as "hell ships" or "Höllenschiffe" ("Höllenschiff" in the singular). I removed it from the Thielbek article and promptly received a copy from a discussion at Cap Arcona's talk page. Should you find anything, please weigh in at either Talk:Cap_Arcona#"Hell Ship"? or User_talk:Sluzzelin#"Hell Ship"? . (Impressed me with Elisabeth Langgässer, btw, have you read her?) --- Sluzzelin talk 06:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Dear, dear Clio:
"Are you sure it didn't just fall out!?" How wonderful! (And it should then be replaced with by means of a warmed serving spoon.)
Bielle
04:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I am so glad that there are at least two people here able to appreciate Clio's impish sense of humour!
Clio the Muse
23:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Ha! Ha! I admit that Clem's mode of expression is a brilliant parody of the Pooterish style, but do you not think it a little too 'fast and modern' for the real thing? After all, Xn4, can you ever imagine that dear old Pooter would use terms like 'genotype' and 'phenotype'?! Oh dear, no; not at all the thing. Clio the Muse 23:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks ever so for your very kind award. I did not notice at first because it had been placed directly on my user page. But I can assure you that it is highly appreciated. Clio the Muse 03:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Good evening, Clio. Some time ago I turned one of your kind answers on WP:RD/H into an article stub, Emidio Recchioni. Recently, a person claiming to be a French historian has edited the article's talk page, Talk:Emidio Recchioni. He has raised objections about the article's content, which I do not understand because I don't know enough about the subject, and he has also made threats, which may be directed at either you or me.
I thought that maybe you can understand what he is talking about? If so, can you alleviate his concerns by providing some appropriate sources, or remove any passage from the article that may actually be in error? Of course, I would fully understand if you prefer not to get involved. In that event, I'll probably just briefly block that person's IP range for harassment, if he keeps it up, and forget about it. Best, Sandstein 16:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
(from France) neither the use of words supposed to be french, as "Oh la la", nor the allusion to the château de Moulinsart -which is not in France, as far as I can remember- will change anything to the complicity of "wikipedia" with an intoxicator, which in due time had been immediately mentioned as such. For the rest I have nothing to change, except the imperfect English, to what I recalled. Then it is seems to me that a website called Clio the Muse should pay more attention to the historical truth, and perhaps less, to my identity -a problem to which are not faced, for sure, "Sandstein", "Xn4" and friends. Anyway, and beyond the fact that anyone in this world has a same right to expression, my professional identity has already been printed, in a perfect English : "Luc Nemeth (...) is a specialist in Italian political history" (Charles Higham, The Duchess of Windsor, ed. 1988, p. 443). 193.48.70.239 ( talk) 16:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC) L. Nemeth
I've noticed a coincidence between my recent readings and your Musiana. I just read Mao: The Unknown Story and then it caught my eye on your reading list. If only someone had given him nine grammes, as Solzhenitsyn puts it! (Like about 1901.)
Also, I think you made reference somewhere to Antony Beevor. (I've been reading his "Berlin - the Downfall" and I was comparing it to the recent German movie of the same name/topic which was recently shown here on SBS. I've seen and read heaps of "Hitler in the Bunker" yarns over the years and I've never seen two that agreed. The record's still good.) I see he's a Cambridge denizen from the book's endpapers. Are you acquainted?
Anyway, for some light relief, we got us an election here on Ulimaroa. The Youtube videos it's generating are the best news in years. ( http://www.abc.net.au has some great stuff in the links from the election guide page.) A local cartoonist, Kudelka, did a sketch a while back of two Eskimos chatting outside an igloo. In a parody of that old linguistics chestnut, one is earnestly asking the other: "Did you know that politicians have 400 words for lie?" Ain't democracy great, mate? Just being able to crack those jokes is the most precious part of it.
Best wishes. Retarius | Talk 04:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello Clio. Sorry I have been absent for a while, I have been somewhat busy (terribly boring, but have a look on my talk page if you wish to know why). However, I have some interesting news, which I will email you tomorrow! I'll also archive your page again then, if thats ok. Oh, and remember I mentioned our big paper under review at Nature? Well it was accepted, we received the proofs this week and should, fingers crossed, be in print next month. I don't think we are going to make the cover, but its quirky enough that - if its a slow news day - it could hit the popular press. I'll let you know when its out. Rockpocke t 09:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
First of all congrats to Rockpocket, Nature is aswesome. I'll look out for it. Second, for Clio, good luck? Maybe referring to the rfa? If so thanks to both of you for your kind words. It has been a very warming experience to be the focus of such attention. But back to business! David D. (Talk) 01:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Good answer, Clio; it made me laugh. Shall we tell the confused soul that they weren't likely naked even then? No, I thought not; it might be too much for him (and it is a him). Bielle 04:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I wondered if you might help by sourcing some stats for me? Iwan Roberts is on its way to WP:FAC, but the earliest part of his career isn't covered by the stats available online at soccerbase.com. (See the incomplete tables of stats near the foot of the article) I wondered if you could look him up in an edition of Rothman's football yearbook (or whatever it's called) and provide his season-by-season stats for the early years? It'd be great! If you can find it, I'd need to cite it properly, so I'd need the year/page number. I guess I can get the rest of the data for the book online, but an ISBN would also help. Muchly appreciated. -- Dweller 11:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, Dweller; I have to report an almost complete failure. Those Rothman's yearbooks are complete tomes; a dense mass of unindexed data which I simply have not the time nor the patience to penetrate with my untutored eye; sorry! Anyway, if it's of any use to you still, here are the IBSN numbers;
1988-9
0-356-15879-9
0-356-15880-2 Pbk
1989-90
0-356-17921-4
0-356-17910-9 Pbk
1991-2
0-356-20164-3
0-356-19198-2 Pbk
1992-3
0 7472 0715 1
0 7472 07905 5 Pbk
1993-4
0 7472 0755 0
0 7472 0755 0 Pbk
1994-5
Library copy missing
1995-6
0 7472 1413 1
0 7472 7823 7 Pbk
Clio the Muse ( talk) 03:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
-- Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your very helpful and informative answer regarding the "battle" for the Winter Palace. Your answer was much more than my naive observation deserved. I had forgotten about the whole Kerensky thing, and had never reconciled it with second-hand anecdotes regarding being "a cadet in the Czar's army." (As you infer, the cadet part was probably true - not sure about the rest.)
As a professional historian, I wish you could have met my late father (a WWII veteran and professor of geology). Because of his activity in the Army Reserves, including summer stints at the Pentagon, he tried to explain to me several times that the now former Soviet Union was way over-extended, and without setting a date he predicted their later downfall.
As a child of the cold war I took some of the Soviet view of their history more seriously than I should have - in hindsight; ergo the Winter Palace event loomed larger than it should have.
Thanks for straightening me out.
-- Mark —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark S. Tuttle ( talk • contribs) 22:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Clio, I see you aren't Boney's greatest fan... and I guess I did slightly miss the point of that question!
You always seem to spot what I miss, would you mind casting an eye over my efforts at an article on Thomas Grey, 2nd Marquess of Dorset? It isn't meant to be comprehensive, I'm just wondering if there are any glaring omissions that you can spot! Xn4 02:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Your comment may be much too subtle for the late-night Ref Desk. How many, I wonder, will believe you are agreeing with the Nazi viewpoint? Wait for it! :-) Bielle 06:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Your input would be appreciated on the article Megullia Dotata.-- Doug talk 16:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, kind sir! Clio the Muse ( talk) 23:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Clio. Today is the day, and there can't be too much happening in the world, as it has been picked up by the BBC. Rockpocke t 01:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for both of your recent answers to my Russian questions. This has been so useful and I am now in the habit of coming to you when all else fails. Here is your award. I already gave you a past barnstar and I'm not sure if I'm allowed to hand out more than one, but, what the hell! I chose this one to be a little bit different, and because you are a little bit surreal!
![]() |
The Surreal Barnstar | |
Awarded to Clio from Fred for being repeatedely useful, a Greek spirit of wisdom and knowledge in a land of virtual dreams. Fred said right ( talk) 12:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC) |
Hi Clio. You have a choice of {{ Vacation}}, {{ Vacation3}} or {{ Wikibreak}}. The various parameters are explained on the template pages. Do have a safe and enjoyable trip, and merry Christmas to you! Rockpocke t 23:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Very advisable, and they come in good colours. Yours will also make sure that you aren't mistaken for Lara Croft! Xn4 00:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Clio, I hope you will not miss my question on naval operations. I rely on you for an answer above all others. With respect, John J Spencer. 81.156.3.207 ( talk) 14:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't you be packing? Have a wonderful trip and an exciting -well. not too exciting- start to 2008. I shall miss my nighly "Clio" read, and look forward to your return. Joyeuses Fêtes! Bielle ( talk) 01:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Dearest Clio, I suspect that you would make an ideal Captain of H.M.S. Pinafore...
Clio: And I never, never, never edit mainspace.
WP chorus: What, never?
Clio: No, never!
WP chorus: What, neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...?
Clio: Well... ...hardly ever!!!
Tsk, tsk, young Muse.
And don't think I haven't read of your scandalous carryings-on with that cloud-gathering Zeus, in
Max Beerbohm's tell-all memoir,
Zuleika Dobson!!!
Happy New Year quand même.
Rhinoracer ( talk) 21:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Be sure to bring us some pictures, Clio! bibliomaniac 1 5 23:52, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
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Hello, Clio. Can you confirm any sources referring to German World War II ships, specifically the Thielbek or Cap Arcona, as "hell ships" or "Höllenschiffe" ("Höllenschiff" in the singular). I removed it from the Thielbek article and promptly received a copy from a discussion at Cap Arcona's talk page. Should you find anything, please weigh in at either Talk:Cap_Arcona#"Hell Ship"? or User_talk:Sluzzelin#"Hell Ship"? . (Impressed me with Elisabeth Langgässer, btw, have you read her?) --- Sluzzelin talk 06:11, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Dear, dear Clio:
"Are you sure it didn't just fall out!?" How wonderful! (And it should then be replaced with by means of a warmed serving spoon.)
Bielle
04:20, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
I am so glad that there are at least two people here able to appreciate Clio's impish sense of humour!
Clio the Muse
23:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Ha! Ha! I admit that Clem's mode of expression is a brilliant parody of the Pooterish style, but do you not think it a little too 'fast and modern' for the real thing? After all, Xn4, can you ever imagine that dear old Pooter would use terms like 'genotype' and 'phenotype'?! Oh dear, no; not at all the thing. Clio the Muse 23:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks ever so for your very kind award. I did not notice at first because it had been placed directly on my user page. But I can assure you that it is highly appreciated. Clio the Muse 03:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Good evening, Clio. Some time ago I turned one of your kind answers on WP:RD/H into an article stub, Emidio Recchioni. Recently, a person claiming to be a French historian has edited the article's talk page, Talk:Emidio Recchioni. He has raised objections about the article's content, which I do not understand because I don't know enough about the subject, and he has also made threats, which may be directed at either you or me.
I thought that maybe you can understand what he is talking about? If so, can you alleviate his concerns by providing some appropriate sources, or remove any passage from the article that may actually be in error? Of course, I would fully understand if you prefer not to get involved. In that event, I'll probably just briefly block that person's IP range for harassment, if he keeps it up, and forget about it. Best, Sandstein 16:33, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
(from France) neither the use of words supposed to be french, as "Oh la la", nor the allusion to the château de Moulinsart -which is not in France, as far as I can remember- will change anything to the complicity of "wikipedia" with an intoxicator, which in due time had been immediately mentioned as such. For the rest I have nothing to change, except the imperfect English, to what I recalled. Then it is seems to me that a website called Clio the Muse should pay more attention to the historical truth, and perhaps less, to my identity -a problem to which are not faced, for sure, "Sandstein", "Xn4" and friends. Anyway, and beyond the fact that anyone in this world has a same right to expression, my professional identity has already been printed, in a perfect English : "Luc Nemeth (...) is a specialist in Italian political history" (Charles Higham, The Duchess of Windsor, ed. 1988, p. 443). 193.48.70.239 ( talk) 16:47, 24 November 2007 (UTC) L. Nemeth
I've noticed a coincidence between my recent readings and your Musiana. I just read Mao: The Unknown Story and then it caught my eye on your reading list. If only someone had given him nine grammes, as Solzhenitsyn puts it! (Like about 1901.)
Also, I think you made reference somewhere to Antony Beevor. (I've been reading his "Berlin - the Downfall" and I was comparing it to the recent German movie of the same name/topic which was recently shown here on SBS. I've seen and read heaps of "Hitler in the Bunker" yarns over the years and I've never seen two that agreed. The record's still good.) I see he's a Cambridge denizen from the book's endpapers. Are you acquainted?
Anyway, for some light relief, we got us an election here on Ulimaroa. The Youtube videos it's generating are the best news in years. ( http://www.abc.net.au has some great stuff in the links from the election guide page.) A local cartoonist, Kudelka, did a sketch a while back of two Eskimos chatting outside an igloo. In a parody of that old linguistics chestnut, one is earnestly asking the other: "Did you know that politicians have 400 words for lie?" Ain't democracy great, mate? Just being able to crack those jokes is the most precious part of it.
Best wishes. Retarius | Talk 04:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello Clio. Sorry I have been absent for a while, I have been somewhat busy (terribly boring, but have a look on my talk page if you wish to know why). However, I have some interesting news, which I will email you tomorrow! I'll also archive your page again then, if thats ok. Oh, and remember I mentioned our big paper under review at Nature? Well it was accepted, we received the proofs this week and should, fingers crossed, be in print next month. I don't think we are going to make the cover, but its quirky enough that - if its a slow news day - it could hit the popular press. I'll let you know when its out. Rockpocke t 09:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
First of all congrats to Rockpocket, Nature is aswesome. I'll look out for it. Second, for Clio, good luck? Maybe referring to the rfa? If so thanks to both of you for your kind words. It has been a very warming experience to be the focus of such attention. But back to business! David D. (Talk) 01:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
Good answer, Clio; it made me laugh. Shall we tell the confused soul that they weren't likely naked even then? No, I thought not; it might be too much for him (and it is a him). Bielle 04:50, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I wondered if you might help by sourcing some stats for me? Iwan Roberts is on its way to WP:FAC, but the earliest part of his career isn't covered by the stats available online at soccerbase.com. (See the incomplete tables of stats near the foot of the article) I wondered if you could look him up in an edition of Rothman's football yearbook (or whatever it's called) and provide his season-by-season stats for the early years? It'd be great! If you can find it, I'd need to cite it properly, so I'd need the year/page number. I guess I can get the rest of the data for the book online, but an ISBN would also help. Muchly appreciated. -- Dweller 11:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, Dweller; I have to report an almost complete failure. Those Rothman's yearbooks are complete tomes; a dense mass of unindexed data which I simply have not the time nor the patience to penetrate with my untutored eye; sorry! Anyway, if it's of any use to you still, here are the IBSN numbers;
1988-9
0-356-15879-9
0-356-15880-2 Pbk
1989-90
0-356-17921-4
0-356-17910-9 Pbk
1991-2
0-356-20164-3
0-356-19198-2 Pbk
1992-3
0 7472 0715 1
0 7472 07905 5 Pbk
1993-4
0 7472 0755 0
0 7472 0755 0 Pbk
1994-5
Library copy missing
1995-6
0 7472 1413 1
0 7472 7823 7 Pbk
Clio the Muse ( talk) 03:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
-- Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your very helpful and informative answer regarding the "battle" for the Winter Palace. Your answer was much more than my naive observation deserved. I had forgotten about the whole Kerensky thing, and had never reconciled it with second-hand anecdotes regarding being "a cadet in the Czar's army." (As you infer, the cadet part was probably true - not sure about the rest.)
As a professional historian, I wish you could have met my late father (a WWII veteran and professor of geology). Because of his activity in the Army Reserves, including summer stints at the Pentagon, he tried to explain to me several times that the now former Soviet Union was way over-extended, and without setting a date he predicted their later downfall.
As a child of the cold war I took some of the Soviet view of their history more seriously than I should have - in hindsight; ergo the Winter Palace event loomed larger than it should have.
Thanks for straightening me out.
-- Mark —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mark S. Tuttle ( talk • contribs) 22:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Clio, I see you aren't Boney's greatest fan... and I guess I did slightly miss the point of that question!
You always seem to spot what I miss, would you mind casting an eye over my efforts at an article on Thomas Grey, 2nd Marquess of Dorset? It isn't meant to be comprehensive, I'm just wondering if there are any glaring omissions that you can spot! Xn4 02:53, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Your comment may be much too subtle for the late-night Ref Desk. How many, I wonder, will believe you are agreeing with the Nazi viewpoint? Wait for it! :-) Bielle 06:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Your input would be appreciated on the article Megullia Dotata.-- Doug talk 16:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Thank you, kind sir! Clio the Muse ( talk) 23:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi Clio. Today is the day, and there can't be too much happening in the world, as it has been picked up by the BBC. Rockpocke t 01:03, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for both of your recent answers to my Russian questions. This has been so useful and I am now in the habit of coming to you when all else fails. Here is your award. I already gave you a past barnstar and I'm not sure if I'm allowed to hand out more than one, but, what the hell! I chose this one to be a little bit different, and because you are a little bit surreal!
![]() |
The Surreal Barnstar | |
Awarded to Clio from Fred for being repeatedely useful, a Greek spirit of wisdom and knowledge in a land of virtual dreams. Fred said right ( talk) 12:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC) |
Hi Clio. You have a choice of {{ Vacation}}, {{ Vacation3}} or {{ Wikibreak}}. The various parameters are explained on the template pages. Do have a safe and enjoyable trip, and merry Christmas to you! Rockpocke t 23:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Very advisable, and they come in good colours. Yours will also make sure that you aren't mistaken for Lara Croft! Xn4 00:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Clio, I hope you will not miss my question on naval operations. I rely on you for an answer above all others. With respect, John J Spencer. 81.156.3.207 ( talk) 14:45, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Shouldn't you be packing? Have a wonderful trip and an exciting -well. not too exciting- start to 2008. I shall miss my nighly "Clio" read, and look forward to your return. Joyeuses Fêtes! Bielle ( talk) 01:27, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Dearest Clio, I suspect that you would make an ideal Captain of H.M.S. Pinafore...
Clio: And I never, never, never edit mainspace.
WP chorus: What, never?
Clio: No, never!
WP chorus: What, neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...?
Clio: Well... ...hardly ever!!!
Tsk, tsk, young Muse.
And don't think I haven't read of your scandalous carryings-on with that cloud-gathering Zeus, in
Max Beerbohm's tell-all memoir,
Zuleika Dobson!!!
Happy New Year quand même.
Rhinoracer ( talk) 21:21, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Be sure to bring us some pictures, Clio! bibliomaniac 1 5 23:52, 27 December 2007 (UTC)