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I quickly took the following out of Why humans eat meat?, as I had wandered too far off the point:
-- Circeus 03:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
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Clio, i award you this barnstar for your tireless and excellent efforts in helping answer peoples queries on the humanities reference desk Hadseys 01:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC) |
You always come through. XXX Princess of the night 11:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
My word, I must be getting old, but that scares me, it's like something out of The Loved One. No matter, if the UK tries the idea in Liverpool it's sure to end in tears, so it'll never arrive here in darkest Borsetshire. Xn4 01:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I had just been reading the introduction to Mrs Henry de la Pasture's The Unlucky Family written (the introduction, that is) in 1980 by Auberon and Daisy Waugh, aged twelve. She wrote:
“ | Mr and Mrs Chubb have eleven children, the eldest being Dorothea who is fourteen and the youngest Jane and Josephus who are too young to be worth mentioning. I think Mr Chubb is terribly nice although rather pompous perhaps. He is the image of my father. Clumsy Caroline is the least intelligent of the family. She reminds me of a dull, unromantic, boring girl who used to live in our village and whose name will remain unknown. | ” |
Xn4 01:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
dear lady, just a quick thanks for your thoughts, perry jr born 26/07/07 - @9:30 p.m. 9lbs 7oz (taught metric, still use imperial, long live the empire!) mother and child fine, father tired but happy, see bielle's page for a clue to his name, love X Perry-mankster 09:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I find it hard to believe that someone as young as you knows so much! I see from your user page that your birthday falls in this month. Please forgive me for being so cheeky, but when, exactly? My own is on the 21st, though a few years in advance of you! Anyway, on the subject of the White Countess, could you recommend any reading? With respect Fred said right 10:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Clio. I have wikified the article and provided some inline sourcing for the quotations. I scavenged the sources from other articles, could you check them over to be sure they are appropriate? If not, could you could change them, or let me know what editions or sources you used? I have also made the DYK nom at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created on August 9. Feel free to comment if you have a better hook or phrasing suggestion. Nice work once again. P.S. Thanks also for the History Today link. My wife and I both had a good laugh watching that, it took us back to our teenage years! Rockpocke t 06:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
My dear Miss Clio, I am lost for words. Thank you so much for taking so much trouble over this. What you have written is a huge improvement on what went before. I always thought that military history was the preserve of men. But your response to this, and past issues I have raised, is truly admirable. You will make a mark on the world, of that I am sure. General joffe
Clio, Rockpocket, General joffe, Dweller, et al: I've made a few edits to the Battle page, although I must admit that military history is not my usual area of expertise :) I'll look around for some references for the numbers of troops. I also changed the footnotes to a different style; the "a, b, c" style seems very imprecise to me. I don't know where Wikipedia got that style from! I don't know if I found a different quote in Richards' translation of Baha ad-Din, but the closest one I could find didn't match the quote given, so I changed it. I also changed the quotes from Stubbs' edition of the Itinerarium to the translation given by Helen Nicholson, since Nicholson's edition is much more recent. Hope that helps! Adam Bishop 20:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Adam. You will remember from the original question that I have some figures on the relative strengths of the armies. I was going to work these in yesterday, but I was slightly thrown by the complexity of the layout, and did not want to make a mess! I will, however, give it another go. Clio the Muse 23:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Clio, I'm the guy that wanted to "achieve expertise in World War II" again ;). Well, now that I have plenty leisure time, I've been able to almost finish the two books of Martin Gilbert in a rush, just 70 pages to go out of over a thousand. I liked them very much, they contain a lot of information :). My estimate is that in two days, with some help of Wikipedia, I'll be able to consider that I've finished studying these two books. The next logical step would be to buy and study both the Operation Barbarossa and the Battle of Stalingrad books. But, what after that? Now I'm seeing this task is indeed enormous, but I'm not intimidated by the amount of work. Approximately, just to have an idea, how many books will I have to study to have a level of knowledge comparable to that of an "expert" in this area? Moreover, do you know any ways of testing my knowledge? I just found some World War II quizzes in the Internet. Thank you for your advice, it's priceless ;) -- Taraborn 22:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I am conscious, Xn4, that I am in danger of turning this discussion into a dissertation in its own right; so stop I must, and stop I will. Let me just say that you can be William Jennings Bryant to my Clarence Darrow anytime you wish! Clio the Muse 00:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a million times for your response to my question and your brilliant debate with Xn4. He who must be obeyed 11:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
A superb answer; my thanks. S. J. Blair 18:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
dear lady thank you for your felicitations and i wish to pass on mine, all be it a tad early, as t'mill owner is closing down our network for a few days whilst they update the telephony system - even thou there's nowt wrong with the present one, someone is getting a kick-back, grumble grumble, moan moan - enough 'Aye is the Daddy!'. Bear with me here, bit surreal, lack of sleep - So Happy Birthday, what to get the lady who has it all? Well i am an old romantic at heart, old fashioned, what, what. So some flowers
[1] and some chocolates
[2]you have a great birthday all my love
Perry-mankster
11:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
P.S. noticed that you share your birthday with Attila, mmmm... not that i am drawing any comparisons with the way you cut your way through the dithering to strike with a well honed answer, no not me, no siree bob (dave) (i share mine with Galius Caligula lock up your daughters horses!)
When i was One,
I had just begun.
When i was Two,
I was nearly new.
When i was Three,
I was hardly me.
When i was Four,
I was not much more.
When I was Five,
I was just alive.
But now i am Six, i'm as clever as clever,
So i think i'll be Six now for ever and ever. XXX
I
You OK? -- Dweller 11:35, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
-- howcheng { chat} 17:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Clio, you are positively naughty! It is your birthday and you need your rest. However, I'm worried about this grit, so I propose that you shall eat no snails from someone's garden in future. There is no grit in pâté de foie gras d'oie, saumon fumé, or crème caramel. Enjoy. Xn4 23:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Champagne and ice-cream! You really know how to spoil a girl, guys! Clio the Muse 22:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Since everyone else seems to have access to your personnel files, I guess I'm not part of the cabal. While Shaftesbury, of course, was. So, what would be appropriate as a birthday gift to you? How about an offer to organise a collaborative effort to get your choice of a biography of a historical figure to GA status. Enjoy choosing your hero or villain! -- Dweller 15:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
No cabal, dear Dweller; all the information is freely available on my user page. Thank you for your kind offer. I think I would find it difficult to select a particular hero(ine), though I would if I was really pushed, I suppose. Villains? Well, I suppose this might be Richard Rich, or Titus Oates, or maybe just him! Clio the Muse 22:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Anastasia Clio. I just thought I'd add my good wishes on this your birthday (which I see you share with Napoleon!). I hope you have a great time and thanks for all your past help on the reference desk. Cheers. SeanScotland 18:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh cmon, just choose! lol. Meanwhile, I posted some pictures of famous people with interesting hair in the Edward II thread, above. -- Dweller 07:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
He looks like the kind of dastardly top-hatted villain that would tie poor innocent girls to railway tracks! On the rise and fall of facial hair you might be interested in what I wrote on this subject back in April... a mischevious title given by Salvador Dali ... Clio the Muse 02:54, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
It's up and running. Anyone wishing to contribute to Clio's birthday present is more than welcome. -- Dweller 08:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
...for your scholarship, generosity, and wit.(This was prompted by your writings in response to my questions about Attila and Nero. Though I still think that Aetius was a four-flusher.)
May I specifically commend your prose? Clear,direct,lucid; personal while remaining objective. I wish I were a publisher-- I would cross your palm with gold just to get you to write for me!
Please carry on delighting your many admirers on Wikipedia, among the least of whom you shall find,
Yr most Humble, &caetera,
Rhinoracer 18:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't resist passing on something I just found...
Your "He is merely a feather on the breath of time" reminded me of something of Diana Mosley's: "He used to say: 'I tread again the dust of the Palais Royal, soft as the feathers on the wings of sleep'." So I googled "feathers on the wings of sleep" and found its only appearance is here on oswaldmosley.com, which has "I tread again the dust of the Palais Royal, soil as the leathers on the wings of sleep"! Xn4 23:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I always find your pages very interesting and I've noticed something about the time codes on your postings that puzzles me. They seem to indicate that you never sleep and can produce several ten-thousand-word answers in the space of an hour! I wish this site had existed when I was mired in History 100 at UWA. You could have saved my disconsolate donkey. User:Retarius | Talk 02:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
...aye there's the rub! Hi, Retarius. My goodness, I've always been something of a night owl, working on my computer when all around me sleep. I enjoy the peace, and it helps me to focus; hence the lengthy answers. I also think quickly, and write even more quickly! The whole thing serves to sharpen my intellect still further. If I can ever be of any future help just drop on by. Best wishes. Clio the Muse 02:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to tell you now blown over I was by your lengthy and detailed answer to my question on the Russian response to the French invasion of 1812. I see from your user page that you are a Cambridge graduate. I feel sure that you must be among the very best. My best wishes to you, Clio the Muse. P. Bezukhov
Hi Clio, since you're the history person, I'd like to ask you to take a look at this article I started regarding Erasmus' dialogue with Julius II trying to enter heaven. I'm aiming for a DYK and hope you can gain one too. bibliomaniac 15 Prepare to be deleted! 01:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey Clio. I was re-watching the House of Cards trilogy this week. Are you familiar with it? Its great television for anyone with an interest in Conservative politics after Her. Anyway, I was musing over which real-life person some of the minor characters were based on and it occurred to me that Sarah Harding, Urquhart's political muse in To Play the King, is Clio personified (in my little mind, of course). Am I close? I await a response of 'You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment"!
P.S. I'm just about to archive this page again. Rockpocke t 06:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The DVD arrived this morning, and I spent a good bit of the afternoon watching the first part. It's fascinating stuff, it really is, and Francis Urquhart is a dream! My mother saw the drama when it was shown on TV, and says that if Urquhart had taken over from Mrs. Thatcher Blair would have gone the same way as Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock. I especially love the little asides to the audience, which seems to make one party to the whole 'conspiracy', whether one chooses to be or not! A million, zillion thanks for alerting me to this, Rockpocket. Now I understand the 'I could not possibly comment' reference. Clio the Muse 22:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Ooh, what a pickle I'm in. I was sure it was MC that had loads of clauses about Jews, but it doesn't. So I thought maybe it was the Ordinances, but of course (duh) Eddy I had already expelled the Jews long before the Ordinances were drafted. Now I wonder if it's one of the rehashes of MC, maybe from early in Henry III's reign... or did I just make it all up? Also, wasn't there some Baronial document thingummyjig foisted on Eddy I at a (rare!) moment of weakness... no reference to it in his article. -- Dweller 12:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to keep you up so late (early)! I learnt lots from your answer to Philip the Arab. I guess it's a blind spot for most of us. Xn4 11:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi! An article you worked on ( Orator Hunt) was recently nominated for the Did you know? section of the main page. I don't know if it made it to the front page, but I did pinch it for the September update of the United Kingdom portal, and thought you might like to know. Thanks for your contribution! the wub "?!" 20:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I hope this amuses you: I was out for dinner the other evening with an old friend who is a history buff. We were discussing an article we had both read in "Utne Reader" on the "history we are not taught". The magazine is American so the points were about the American school system, but we were unpleasantly surprised at how many holes Canada had in common. I had remembered something incompletely and wondered aloud about its importance. My friend said, "I'll bet Clio would know." I was a little startled as I had no idea this friend used the Ref Desk often enough to know your name. (We still have not shared our on-line identities, though she will now be able to figure out mine.) What was even more surprising was the voice from the next table where two men were dining that said, "Isn't she amazing!". We must have looked as taken aback as we felt for he added, "You did mean Clio the Muse, didn't you, the one who knows everything about every country in every time line?" So, all you have to do is connect "Clio the Muse" to the name you use on your book, and you will have at least four copies pre-sold on this side of the Atlantic. As the gentlemen were celebrating their fifth anniversary, we toasted them, and you. Bielle 23:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
As-Salamu Alaykum! I think your answers on the Lebanon Shia, Iran and the Muslims of Spain are very good indeed, full of wisdom and understanding. I would give you an award like the others you have, but I do not knoe how. You have, in any case, my deep admiration. Philip the Arab 00:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Well done again Clio. Kindly nominated by Ghirla. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 08:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I added an image of you to your user page, one I thought you might like. I hope you don't mind-I thought you deserved it. All the best. Fred said right 09:10, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Clio, I know this is a terrible cheek, but could we possibly meet up, to discuss historical subjects, of course! I know from your talk page that your family live in London. My home is in Kent, so not too far away. It took a lot to build up to this request-and I feel really awkward-but what the hell, you can only say no. I hope you won't think badly of me for being so bold. Fred said right 09:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I've now added an email address to my account so you can respond in private. Fred said right 10:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
when heraclites and socrates were mused plato and totle were not a mused yet as logos dwells inbetwixt a mused why not you too clio, loosen up and be a mused, musings p.s. is it possible to contact sam clark?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.18.237.2 ( talk) 14:16, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
"On the question of fashions, Beekone, I can only make an educated guess here, but my hunch is that Czechs, among the most advanced of the people of the old Austrian Empire, would dress little differently in Prague, as they would in Vienna. If you wish I could point you in the direction of some good reading on Czech history in general, and the history of Prague in particular. No prêt-à-porter, though!"
Here you go, Beekone. Well, you did ask!
Bradley, John F. N. Czechoslovakia: A Short History. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press, 1971. 212p.
Hermann, A. H. A History of the Czechs. London: A. Lane, 1975. 324p.
Kavka, Frantisek. An Outline of Czechoslovak History. Translated by Jarmila and Ian Milner. Prague: Orbis, 1960. 179p.
Krofta, Kamil. A Short History of Czechoslovakia. New York: R. M. McBride & Co., 1934. 198p.
Lutzow, Francis, Count. Bohemia: An Historical Sketch. London: Chapman and Hall, 1896. 438p.
Lutzow, [Francis] Count. The Story of Prague. London: J. M. Dent, 1902. 211p.
Maurice, Charles E. Bohemia from the Earliest Times to the Foundation of the Czecho-Slovak Republic in 1918. London: T. F. Unwin [1922] 576p.
Polisensky, Josef V. History of Czechoslovakia in Outline. Prague: Sphinx Publishers [1948] 142p.
Seton-Watson, Robert W. A History of the Czechs and Slovaks. London, New York: Hutchinson, 1943. 413p.
Thomson, S. Harrison. Czechoslovakia in European History. Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press, 1943. 390p.
Vickers, Robert H. History of Bohemia. Chicago: C. H. Sergel, 1894. 763p.
And these are only the general works! Clio the Muse 22:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again, Clio, you're a very good muse indeed. Beekone 14:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
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Thank you for your help with Muslim history. You are very wise. Philip the Arab 16:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC) |
Quote your userpage, and we think, what limits :-) martianlostinspace email me 20:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Just to say hi - hope all's well - haven't seen as much of you on the Desks recently. Adambrowne666 22:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
ah, yes, so i see - sorry - glad to see it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adambrowne666 ( talk • contribs) 03:26, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
The martian can't stay away from this page, sure he can't. If you would be willing, I would invite your opinion on the instruction at the top of my userpage - information which I personally would have liked to know when I first joined here, and literally did not know how to leave a message! (Please excuse me from having initially sourced the code (for the box) and idea from you, though!) Particularly that the link to "your page" goes here. martianlostinspace email me 23:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Nothing technical of the sort, Clio, you have answered my question well. Just to know that it works, and makes sense to people other than he who put it there. martianlostinspace email me 12:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Please... please tell me someone else didn't get lucky and caught you.-- Funnyguy555 01:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi As you were at Wycombe Abbey, you may be interested in the career of another senior Kathy Wilkes. If you read about her you may have a better understanding of her grandmother whom you identified as Orwell's teacher in a reply last April. 'Such such were the joys' was so libellous, and hence inaccurate, that it could not be published while Mrs Wilkes was alive. Orwell repeatedly made cynical, unfair and totally inaccurate assumptions about Mr and Mrs Wilkes. To take a simple example just from the passage you quoted, the Gaelic name for the youngest child was the nickname for Mr Wilkes' beloved Welsh mother who died when he was only fifteen leaving him heartbroken - nothing to do with Scottish snobbishness. Orwell was a professional story-teller working on 1984 when he wrote the piece, he owed a great deal to the Wilkes, and his views were not shared by hundreds of other boys at the school. It is probably far-fetched to attribute his anti-Scottishness to St Cyprians. Motmit 22:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#The_Problem_with_Interconnectivity - I was hoping you had a take on this person's question. I voice a mere opinion. I figured you would have an answer based on more historical fact than my speculation. -- Kainaw (what?) 22:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again Clio. Kindly nominated by Ghirla. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 02:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, my Muse. I just thought I'd let you know that my research on the philosohy of history is nearing completion, aided along by your brilliant answers on Gibbon and Hume. I'm now about to add a question on Tacitus, and would appreciate your contribution. On past experience I would have come here directly, but I thought that might cause some resentment; so my question is open to the general community, though, I admit, it is you I really want to hear from. Martinben 15:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
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for being so brilliant Martinben 15:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC) |
~ Riana ⁂ 10:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that they're up at WP:FAC. Then I noticed... well, see this thread. User_talk:Ewlyahoocom#New_Ordinances_of_1311. Cheers, -- Dweller 21:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
That's by Charles Krafft, at DiRT gallery, West Hollywood, Ca. - see here, contact details here. Xn4 01:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
You are the first woman i "meet" that knows him. Not to mention admires him. This is so refreshing. Why do you think is it most women are not really interested in history in a profounder way?-- Tresckow 02:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I just glanced at the article on Theodor Mommsen, and found "His work regarding Roman history is still of fundamental importance for contemporary research." in the lead. Just out of curiosity, Musa, mihi causas memora, how is Mommsen received in the English speaking world of research on Roman history these days? --- Sluzzelin talk 08:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm impressed by your opinion, Clio. Great place, not famous. I have to admit, I don't agree with Orwell that "...boarding schools are worse than day schools. A child has a better chance with the sanctuary of its home near at hand". For me, it was a thrill to escape. But we know his schooldays were unhappier than ours. Xn4 05:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 |
I quickly took the following out of Why humans eat meat?, as I had wandered too far off the point:
-- Circeus 03:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
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The Barnstar of Diligence | |
Clio, i award you this barnstar for your tireless and excellent efforts in helping answer peoples queries on the humanities reference desk Hadseys 01:25, 8 August 2007 (UTC) |
You always come through. XXX Princess of the night 11:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
My word, I must be getting old, but that scares me, it's like something out of The Loved One. No matter, if the UK tries the idea in Liverpool it's sure to end in tears, so it'll never arrive here in darkest Borsetshire. Xn4 01:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I had just been reading the introduction to Mrs Henry de la Pasture's The Unlucky Family written (the introduction, that is) in 1980 by Auberon and Daisy Waugh, aged twelve. She wrote:
“ | Mr and Mrs Chubb have eleven children, the eldest being Dorothea who is fourteen and the youngest Jane and Josephus who are too young to be worth mentioning. I think Mr Chubb is terribly nice although rather pompous perhaps. He is the image of my father. Clumsy Caroline is the least intelligent of the family. She reminds me of a dull, unromantic, boring girl who used to live in our village and whose name will remain unknown. | ” |
Xn4 01:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
dear lady, just a quick thanks for your thoughts, perry jr born 26/07/07 - @9:30 p.m. 9lbs 7oz (taught metric, still use imperial, long live the empire!) mother and child fine, father tired but happy, see bielle's page for a clue to his name, love X Perry-mankster 09:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I find it hard to believe that someone as young as you knows so much! I see from your user page that your birthday falls in this month. Please forgive me for being so cheeky, but when, exactly? My own is on the 21st, though a few years in advance of you! Anyway, on the subject of the White Countess, could you recommend any reading? With respect Fred said right 10:58, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Clio. I have wikified the article and provided some inline sourcing for the quotations. I scavenged the sources from other articles, could you check them over to be sure they are appropriate? If not, could you could change them, or let me know what editions or sources you used? I have also made the DYK nom at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created on August 9. Feel free to comment if you have a better hook or phrasing suggestion. Nice work once again. P.S. Thanks also for the History Today link. My wife and I both had a good laugh watching that, it took us back to our teenage years! Rockpocke t 06:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
My dear Miss Clio, I am lost for words. Thank you so much for taking so much trouble over this. What you have written is a huge improvement on what went before. I always thought that military history was the preserve of men. But your response to this, and past issues I have raised, is truly admirable. You will make a mark on the world, of that I am sure. General joffe
Clio, Rockpocket, General joffe, Dweller, et al: I've made a few edits to the Battle page, although I must admit that military history is not my usual area of expertise :) I'll look around for some references for the numbers of troops. I also changed the footnotes to a different style; the "a, b, c" style seems very imprecise to me. I don't know where Wikipedia got that style from! I don't know if I found a different quote in Richards' translation of Baha ad-Din, but the closest one I could find didn't match the quote given, so I changed it. I also changed the quotes from Stubbs' edition of the Itinerarium to the translation given by Helen Nicholson, since Nicholson's edition is much more recent. Hope that helps! Adam Bishop 20:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, Adam. You will remember from the original question that I have some figures on the relative strengths of the armies. I was going to work these in yesterday, but I was slightly thrown by the complexity of the layout, and did not want to make a mess! I will, however, give it another go. Clio the Muse 23:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Clio, I'm the guy that wanted to "achieve expertise in World War II" again ;). Well, now that I have plenty leisure time, I've been able to almost finish the two books of Martin Gilbert in a rush, just 70 pages to go out of over a thousand. I liked them very much, they contain a lot of information :). My estimate is that in two days, with some help of Wikipedia, I'll be able to consider that I've finished studying these two books. The next logical step would be to buy and study both the Operation Barbarossa and the Battle of Stalingrad books. But, what after that? Now I'm seeing this task is indeed enormous, but I'm not intimidated by the amount of work. Approximately, just to have an idea, how many books will I have to study to have a level of knowledge comparable to that of an "expert" in this area? Moreover, do you know any ways of testing my knowledge? I just found some World War II quizzes in the Internet. Thank you for your advice, it's priceless ;) -- Taraborn 22:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
I am conscious, Xn4, that I am in danger of turning this discussion into a dissertation in its own right; so stop I must, and stop I will. Let me just say that you can be William Jennings Bryant to my Clarence Darrow anytime you wish! Clio the Muse 00:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a million times for your response to my question and your brilliant debate with Xn4. He who must be obeyed 11:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
A superb answer; my thanks. S. J. Blair 18:28, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
dear lady thank you for your felicitations and i wish to pass on mine, all be it a tad early, as t'mill owner is closing down our network for a few days whilst they update the telephony system - even thou there's nowt wrong with the present one, someone is getting a kick-back, grumble grumble, moan moan - enough 'Aye is the Daddy!'. Bear with me here, bit surreal, lack of sleep - So Happy Birthday, what to get the lady who has it all? Well i am an old romantic at heart, old fashioned, what, what. So some flowers
[1] and some chocolates
[2]you have a great birthday all my love
Perry-mankster
11:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
P.S. noticed that you share your birthday with Attila, mmmm... not that i am drawing any comparisons with the way you cut your way through the dithering to strike with a well honed answer, no not me, no siree bob (dave) (i share mine with Galius Caligula lock up your daughters horses!)
When i was One,
I had just begun.
When i was Two,
I was nearly new.
When i was Three,
I was hardly me.
When i was Four,
I was not much more.
When I was Five,
I was just alive.
But now i am Six, i'm as clever as clever,
So i think i'll be Six now for ever and ever. XXX
I
You OK? -- Dweller 11:35, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
-- howcheng { chat} 17:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Clio, you are positively naughty! It is your birthday and you need your rest. However, I'm worried about this grit, so I propose that you shall eat no snails from someone's garden in future. There is no grit in pâté de foie gras d'oie, saumon fumé, or crème caramel. Enjoy. Xn4 23:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Champagne and ice-cream! You really know how to spoil a girl, guys! Clio the Muse 22:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Since everyone else seems to have access to your personnel files, I guess I'm not part of the cabal. While Shaftesbury, of course, was. So, what would be appropriate as a birthday gift to you? How about an offer to organise a collaborative effort to get your choice of a biography of a historical figure to GA status. Enjoy choosing your hero or villain! -- Dweller 15:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
No cabal, dear Dweller; all the information is freely available on my user page. Thank you for your kind offer. I think I would find it difficult to select a particular hero(ine), though I would if I was really pushed, I suppose. Villains? Well, I suppose this might be Richard Rich, or Titus Oates, or maybe just him! Clio the Muse 22:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Anastasia Clio. I just thought I'd add my good wishes on this your birthday (which I see you share with Napoleon!). I hope you have a great time and thanks for all your past help on the reference desk. Cheers. SeanScotland 18:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh cmon, just choose! lol. Meanwhile, I posted some pictures of famous people with interesting hair in the Edward II thread, above. -- Dweller 07:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
He looks like the kind of dastardly top-hatted villain that would tie poor innocent girls to railway tracks! On the rise and fall of facial hair you might be interested in what I wrote on this subject back in April... a mischevious title given by Salvador Dali ... Clio the Muse 02:54, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
It's up and running. Anyone wishing to contribute to Clio's birthday present is more than welcome. -- Dweller 08:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
...for your scholarship, generosity, and wit.(This was prompted by your writings in response to my questions about Attila and Nero. Though I still think that Aetius was a four-flusher.)
May I specifically commend your prose? Clear,direct,lucid; personal while remaining objective. I wish I were a publisher-- I would cross your palm with gold just to get you to write for me!
Please carry on delighting your many admirers on Wikipedia, among the least of whom you shall find,
Yr most Humble, &caetera,
Rhinoracer 18:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
I can't resist passing on something I just found...
Your "He is merely a feather on the breath of time" reminded me of something of Diana Mosley's: "He used to say: 'I tread again the dust of the Palais Royal, soft as the feathers on the wings of sleep'." So I googled "feathers on the wings of sleep" and found its only appearance is here on oswaldmosley.com, which has "I tread again the dust of the Palais Royal, soil as the leathers on the wings of sleep"! Xn4 23:57, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
I always find your pages very interesting and I've noticed something about the time codes on your postings that puzzles me. They seem to indicate that you never sleep and can produce several ten-thousand-word answers in the space of an hour! I wish this site had existed when I was mired in History 100 at UWA. You could have saved my disconsolate donkey. User:Retarius | Talk 02:13, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
...aye there's the rub! Hi, Retarius. My goodness, I've always been something of a night owl, working on my computer when all around me sleep. I enjoy the peace, and it helps me to focus; hence the lengthy answers. I also think quickly, and write even more quickly! The whole thing serves to sharpen my intellect still further. If I can ever be of any future help just drop on by. Best wishes. Clio the Muse 02:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I just wanted to tell you now blown over I was by your lengthy and detailed answer to my question on the Russian response to the French invasion of 1812. I see from your user page that you are a Cambridge graduate. I feel sure that you must be among the very best. My best wishes to you, Clio the Muse. P. Bezukhov
Hi Clio, since you're the history person, I'd like to ask you to take a look at this article I started regarding Erasmus' dialogue with Julius II trying to enter heaven. I'm aiming for a DYK and hope you can gain one too. bibliomaniac 15 Prepare to be deleted! 01:23, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Hey Clio. I was re-watching the House of Cards trilogy this week. Are you familiar with it? Its great television for anyone with an interest in Conservative politics after Her. Anyway, I was musing over which real-life person some of the minor characters were based on and it occurred to me that Sarah Harding, Urquhart's political muse in To Play the King, is Clio personified (in my little mind, of course). Am I close? I await a response of 'You might very well think that; I couldn't possibly comment"!
P.S. I'm just about to archive this page again. Rockpocke t 06:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The DVD arrived this morning, and I spent a good bit of the afternoon watching the first part. It's fascinating stuff, it really is, and Francis Urquhart is a dream! My mother saw the drama when it was shown on TV, and says that if Urquhart had taken over from Mrs. Thatcher Blair would have gone the same way as Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock. I especially love the little asides to the audience, which seems to make one party to the whole 'conspiracy', whether one chooses to be or not! A million, zillion thanks for alerting me to this, Rockpocket. Now I understand the 'I could not possibly comment' reference. Clio the Muse 22:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Ooh, what a pickle I'm in. I was sure it was MC that had loads of clauses about Jews, but it doesn't. So I thought maybe it was the Ordinances, but of course (duh) Eddy I had already expelled the Jews long before the Ordinances were drafted. Now I wonder if it's one of the rehashes of MC, maybe from early in Henry III's reign... or did I just make it all up? Also, wasn't there some Baronial document thingummyjig foisted on Eddy I at a (rare!) moment of weakness... no reference to it in his article. -- Dweller 12:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to keep you up so late (early)! I learnt lots from your answer to Philip the Arab. I guess it's a blind spot for most of us. Xn4 11:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi! An article you worked on ( Orator Hunt) was recently nominated for the Did you know? section of the main page. I don't know if it made it to the front page, but I did pinch it for the September update of the United Kingdom portal, and thought you might like to know. Thanks for your contribution! the wub "?!" 20:53, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
I hope this amuses you: I was out for dinner the other evening with an old friend who is a history buff. We were discussing an article we had both read in "Utne Reader" on the "history we are not taught". The magazine is American so the points were about the American school system, but we were unpleasantly surprised at how many holes Canada had in common. I had remembered something incompletely and wondered aloud about its importance. My friend said, "I'll bet Clio would know." I was a little startled as I had no idea this friend used the Ref Desk often enough to know your name. (We still have not shared our on-line identities, though she will now be able to figure out mine.) What was even more surprising was the voice from the next table where two men were dining that said, "Isn't she amazing!". We must have looked as taken aback as we felt for he added, "You did mean Clio the Muse, didn't you, the one who knows everything about every country in every time line?" So, all you have to do is connect "Clio the Muse" to the name you use on your book, and you will have at least four copies pre-sold on this side of the Atlantic. As the gentlemen were celebrating their fifth anniversary, we toasted them, and you. Bielle 23:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
As-Salamu Alaykum! I think your answers on the Lebanon Shia, Iran and the Muslims of Spain are very good indeed, full of wisdom and understanding. I would give you an award like the others you have, but I do not knoe how. You have, in any case, my deep admiration. Philip the Arab 00:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Well done again Clio. Kindly nominated by Ghirla. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 08:32, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I added an image of you to your user page, one I thought you might like. I hope you don't mind-I thought you deserved it. All the best. Fred said right 09:10, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Clio, I know this is a terrible cheek, but could we possibly meet up, to discuss historical subjects, of course! I know from your talk page that your family live in London. My home is in Kent, so not too far away. It took a lot to build up to this request-and I feel really awkward-but what the hell, you can only say no. I hope you won't think badly of me for being so bold. Fred said right 09:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
I've now added an email address to my account so you can respond in private. Fred said right 10:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
when heraclites and socrates were mused plato and totle were not a mused yet as logos dwells inbetwixt a mused why not you too clio, loosen up and be a mused, musings p.s. is it possible to contact sam clark?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.18.237.2 ( talk) 14:16, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
"On the question of fashions, Beekone, I can only make an educated guess here, but my hunch is that Czechs, among the most advanced of the people of the old Austrian Empire, would dress little differently in Prague, as they would in Vienna. If you wish I could point you in the direction of some good reading on Czech history in general, and the history of Prague in particular. No prêt-à-porter, though!"
Here you go, Beekone. Well, you did ask!
Bradley, John F. N. Czechoslovakia: A Short History. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press, 1971. 212p.
Hermann, A. H. A History of the Czechs. London: A. Lane, 1975. 324p.
Kavka, Frantisek. An Outline of Czechoslovak History. Translated by Jarmila and Ian Milner. Prague: Orbis, 1960. 179p.
Krofta, Kamil. A Short History of Czechoslovakia. New York: R. M. McBride & Co., 1934. 198p.
Lutzow, Francis, Count. Bohemia: An Historical Sketch. London: Chapman and Hall, 1896. 438p.
Lutzow, [Francis] Count. The Story of Prague. London: J. M. Dent, 1902. 211p.
Maurice, Charles E. Bohemia from the Earliest Times to the Foundation of the Czecho-Slovak Republic in 1918. London: T. F. Unwin [1922] 576p.
Polisensky, Josef V. History of Czechoslovakia in Outline. Prague: Sphinx Publishers [1948] 142p.
Seton-Watson, Robert W. A History of the Czechs and Slovaks. London, New York: Hutchinson, 1943. 413p.
Thomson, S. Harrison. Czechoslovakia in European History. Princeton, N.J.: Princeton University Press, 1943. 390p.
Vickers, Robert H. History of Bohemia. Chicago: C. H. Sergel, 1894. 763p.
And these are only the general works! Clio the Muse 22:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again, Clio, you're a very good muse indeed. Beekone 14:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
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Thank you for your help with Muslim history. You are very wise. Philip the Arab 16:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC) |
Quote your userpage, and we think, what limits :-) martianlostinspace email me 20:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Just to say hi - hope all's well - haven't seen as much of you on the Desks recently. Adambrowne666 22:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
ah, yes, so i see - sorry - glad to see it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adambrowne666 ( talk • contribs) 03:26, August 28, 2007 (UTC)
The martian can't stay away from this page, sure he can't. If you would be willing, I would invite your opinion on the instruction at the top of my userpage - information which I personally would have liked to know when I first joined here, and literally did not know how to leave a message! (Please excuse me from having initially sourced the code (for the box) and idea from you, though!) Particularly that the link to "your page" goes here. martianlostinspace email me 23:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Nothing technical of the sort, Clio, you have answered my question well. Just to know that it works, and makes sense to people other than he who put it there. martianlostinspace email me 12:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Please... please tell me someone else didn't get lucky and caught you.-- Funnyguy555 01:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi As you were at Wycombe Abbey, you may be interested in the career of another senior Kathy Wilkes. If you read about her you may have a better understanding of her grandmother whom you identified as Orwell's teacher in a reply last April. 'Such such were the joys' was so libellous, and hence inaccurate, that it could not be published while Mrs Wilkes was alive. Orwell repeatedly made cynical, unfair and totally inaccurate assumptions about Mr and Mrs Wilkes. To take a simple example just from the passage you quoted, the Gaelic name for the youngest child was the nickname for Mr Wilkes' beloved Welsh mother who died when he was only fifteen leaving him heartbroken - nothing to do with Scottish snobbishness. Orwell was a professional story-teller working on 1984 when he wrote the piece, he owed a great deal to the Wilkes, and his views were not shared by hundreds of other boys at the school. It is probably far-fetched to attribute his anti-Scottishness to St Cyprians. Motmit 22:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities#The_Problem_with_Interconnectivity - I was hoping you had a take on this person's question. I voice a mere opinion. I figured you would have an answer based on more historical fact than my speculation. -- Kainaw (what?) 22:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again Clio. Kindly nominated by Ghirla. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 02:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, my Muse. I just thought I'd let you know that my research on the philosohy of history is nearing completion, aided along by your brilliant answers on Gibbon and Hume. I'm now about to add a question on Tacitus, and would appreciate your contribution. On past experience I would have come here directly, but I thought that might cause some resentment; so my question is open to the general community, though, I admit, it is you I really want to hear from. Martinben 15:08, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
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for being so brilliant Martinben 15:19, 29 August 2007 (UTC) |
~ Riana ⁂ 10:31, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that they're up at WP:FAC. Then I noticed... well, see this thread. User_talk:Ewlyahoocom#New_Ordinances_of_1311. Cheers, -- Dweller 21:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
That's by Charles Krafft, at DiRT gallery, West Hollywood, Ca. - see here, contact details here. Xn4 01:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
You are the first woman i "meet" that knows him. Not to mention admires him. This is so refreshing. Why do you think is it most women are not really interested in history in a profounder way?-- Tresckow 02:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I just glanced at the article on Theodor Mommsen, and found "His work regarding Roman history is still of fundamental importance for contemporary research." in the lead. Just out of curiosity, Musa, mihi causas memora, how is Mommsen received in the English speaking world of research on Roman history these days? --- Sluzzelin talk 08:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm impressed by your opinion, Clio. Great place, not famous. I have to admit, I don't agree with Orwell that "...boarding schools are worse than day schools. A child has a better chance with the sanctuary of its home near at hand". For me, it was a thrill to escape. But we know his schooldays were unhappier than ours. Xn4 05:28, 31 August 2007 (UTC)