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Hello Cleo123, Hope you are doing well! Please review the current condition of the "Meg Ryan" article. Some editor added to it again (to the "main body" of the article - not just the "discussion" section) the Parkinson stuff. It is still my opinion that it is unnecessary and not needed there. The episode that was actually a minor one in the 25+ year career of still active actress, the meaning of which was just greatly exagerrated by a contemporary tabloids, is not something that deserves such a "special attention" in a short informative Encyclopedic article. The mission of such article is just to cover and describe some really important and most principal aspects of the career of the person, no to re-tell tabloids and the tabloid "polls" etc., i believe... So it was my first intention just to remove the stuff... but i wanted to know your opinion at first, for to act on the base of some "established agreement between the editors" (if you agree of course). Kind regards - Old Donkey —Preceding unsigned comment added by Old Donkey ( talk • contribs) 18:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Yor addition to the Wells article is excessively POV. I don't mind including material that indicates Wells lawyers disagree with the rulering, 'but the article is not a Forums For Rebuttal.' If you rewite it, I will not object to it. But otherwise, I will rewrite it. In any case, I've added a POV tag, because it is POV.
Also, as to your comments in the discussion, hostility has nothing to do with it. This is not an article about Wells' career, it's a biography of an individual and therefor includes information about more than Wells career. Proxy User ( talk) 07:33, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
It's inappropriate to place a POV tag where you did in the Marijuana Incident section, as that content is directly based on official police reports and court documents and contains no POV material. I removed it, and will continue to do so. If you continue to VANDALIZE the Dawn Wells article, I'll have to bring your questionable edits to the attention of an administrator. If you don't like the way the Wells article is shaping up, you could always seek MEDIATION. Proxy User ( talk) 05:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Humph! Turns out the now blocked Proxy User was a sockpuppet of some other blocked editor. Go figure!
I respond here to some comments made in Talk:William Desmond Taylor.
Bruce Long is not notable enough to have a Wikipedia article written about him.
True, but I hope that some day I may possibly be found worthy.
The man who allegedly "witnessed" Palmer's alleged confession waited some 30 years to drop his "bombshell" revelation. Did he bring the information to the police? Heck - no!
I would not fault someone for not going to the police under such circumstances. The police could care less about an alleged deathbed confession of an old inactive case, unless the confession implicated someone still alive, and provided a trail to more solid evidence.
...He contacted Bruce Long - right around the time Long was trying to publish a compilation of original documents. How fortuitous for Mr. Long!
I assume this is a reference to Taylorology (since my book was published years earlier). The electronic issues of Taylorology were published in electronic form only, free, and I made no profit from them. It was Taylorology which led the "witness" to contact me, and Taylorology was nearing the end of its run. I am very aware that the alleged confession lends itself to easy skepticism, but I felt that it still warranted inclusion in Taylorology.
If this information were at all "credible" or "widely held" it would have been picked up by the mainstream media.
Mainstream media has minimal interest in the Taylor case.
I find it fascinating that no book has been published espousing Long's theory.
It's not my theory. The only book on the Taylor case which has appeared since the Gibson-theory appeared was Higham's "Murder in Hollywood", and since that theory conflicts with Higham's solution, it is natural that he would ignore it.
Long strikes me as a shameless self promoter and I am deeply concerned by the number of references to his website I find inserted all over Wikipedia.
Most of those references are interviews with silent stars (on the page of the star) or articles written by authors (on the page of the author). I thought those references, containing the actual words of the person, were very relevant and useful.
I did add a page for Taylorology; I thought the number of references and citations elsewhere warranted it. But since it has recently been tagged, the page might soon be deleted. Some of the "shameless" self-promotion was my response to the tagging, an effort to show that its web content was notable.
..his newsletter..
I consider Taylorology to be more of a fanzine than a newsletter.
He was only a "staff member". Intersting how he continually seems to reference employment at a University. An attempt to establish some sort of scholarly credibility? Perhaps?
I did reference it on the Taylorology page, but I don't recall referencing it elsewhere on Wikipedia, except perhaps to correct where someone else had mistakenly called me a professor. I don't consider myself a "writer" or "author". Perhaps a "conglomerator?" I do feel my former staff position at ASU is relevant, because the research facilities of the university were used so extensively in locating the source material for Taylorology and my 1991 book on Taylor. -- Pikabruce ( talk) 18:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I have tried to adapt the wording of the WDT article (and related articles) according to the concerns raised by you and another editor as to NPoV and the use of the word credibility (which I have removed altogether as it related to Gibson's reported confession, anywhere I could find it).
As to Taylorology, the newsletter was published by subscription through the mails for several years and subsequently mirrored on many web sites. It has become a widely noted source on the early Hollywood film colony and does conform as a reliable source under WP:RS. If you can find any reliable sources in which writers dispute anything having to do with Gibson's reported confession, I again ask you to provide them on the article's talk page and we can include them in the article.
This said, from the outset I have found your editing style often rather combative, sarcastic and mocking. I think this was an unhelpful distraction and I can say it caused me to hesitate about taking you seriously. Moreover, your characterization (above) of my edits as irresponsible was neither helpful, accurate nor acceptable. Rather than referring you to the sundry Wikipedia policies regarding verifiability and reliability of sources and how these are applied to articles, along with the need for civility and assumption of good faith, I humbly but strongly ask that you seek these policy pages out for yourself, read them and do what you can to limit your edits to comments on sources and content, rather than sweeping, negative generalizations as to the motiviations of editors and sources or emotional appeals about the reputations of deceased figures in biographical articles. Rather, let the sources speak and please keep in mind that WP:BLP does not apply to William Desmond Taylor or Margaret Gibson. If you have lingering legal worries, please have a look at WP:OFFICE.
Lastly, I'm more than happy to work with you on getting more verifiable sources of any PoV or take into these articles. Thanks... and cheers. Gwen Gale ( talk) 23:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear Cleo,
Thank you so much for your note on my page. Yes, it surely feels like harassment but in the end it seems the administrators and community always seem to recognize it sooner or later and shut it down. You might be interested in this and this. You'll see that Shashwat's been harassing me for a long time but I figure it reflects more on him than on me.
Yes, I would greatly appreciate help watching him. I think he's effectively shut down now.
If he attempts to re-post again (no doubt under a different identity) then it would be great to get the biography group involved as there is a lot of OR going on based on primary sources and clear libel and defamation as ruled by two courts already. Thank you again for your note.
Best, Renee Renee ( talk) 15:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Dear Cleo,
Well, it seems that Cult Free World has really stepped over the boundary and now published an entire newspaper article that two courts in India found libelous and defamatory here. So, yes, I accept your offer for assistance and it looks like we should get the Biography project involved as this is a serious breach of Wikipedia policy to have posted this.
What steps should be taken? Thanks, Renee Renee ( talk) 08:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your note and Yikes! You must not have noticed but I posted something on the BLP board too here. It's good to hear an outside third opinion though so I know I'm not going crazy.
I'd be curious as to what other people on the Biography project think of such a source, as outside third opinions as well. If you were so inclined it'd be nice to get your outside opinion on the rest of the article too, found here. The user has asked for feedback here. For background, the archives contain the history of discussions on various issues. Thanks, Renee ( talk) 02:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi Cleo, Per your note above, you had wanted to take a look at Cult's RFC. Here it is. Maybe some of your biography project friends might give their input on the validity of various sources. Thanks, Renee Renee ( talk) 23:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Cleo123:
Thanks for your comments at the referenced discussion page.
It did not cross my mind that posting a truthful and non-fraudulent article would cause such furor and hatred.
My experience here has confirmed every negative stereotype about Wikipedia, and every negative stereotype about people who prefer to live in a virtual world rather than the real one. I appreciate your comments and wish you the best. Thanks again and have a good day. Maple50 ( talk) 16:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
....let it be. I obviously do not wish to talk to you. Feel free to revert. :) SynergeticMaggot ( talk) 07:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I understand. You removed my message from your page [1] because you don't want others to see the obvious mistake you made in rushing to judgment. It's too bad that you aren't big enough to admit your error and apologize. You might want to have a look at WP:CIVIL. Cleo123 ( talk) 07:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
For what its worth, you seem to have done little if any investigation of my RfA. If you had looked at it, and it can easily be found at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Warlordjohncarter, you will note that the Bus stop incident was mentioned both my me and at least one of those who voted support, and that, in fact, my username was changed after the RfA had begun, so it could hardly qualify as "burying my record and hiding it from community view", as you said. In fact, such clearly unsubstantiated allegations might themselves be taken as being a form of personal attack. I would strongly encourage you in the future to at least learn something about the matters in question before making such clearly inaccurate comments. John Carter ( talk) 19:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. Could you please read this. If you help provide information, I will broker a version of the page that significantly expands on the topic and ensures that everyone will be comfortable. However, I ask that you refrain from talking about previous edits to the page during this process, so that we can all work together as a team. Thanks. :) Ottava Rima ( talk) 18:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I asked you to keep your dispute off my talk page and you reverted my removal twice. I have filed a complaint
here.
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Interestingly enough, I've taken the time to look at your recent edits and behaviour and come to my own conclusions. Interestingly enough, said conclusions don't match yours, particularly about your bull-in-a-china-shop interactions with other editors and your odd interpretations of policy. Interestingly enough, despite the edit summary you left on Meaghan Jette Martin, you've not attempted the slightest explanation or justification for your edits, given the collection of initialisms you originally left don't back your claim in the slightest. Interestingly enough, you apparently prefer to rely on argumentum ad hominem than an actual argument.
If you have any actual policy-based arguments to offer in your defense, now would be the time bring them forth. -- CalendarWatcher ( talk) 11:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Cleo, FYI: Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#Cleo123, in the event you wish to respond. Eusebeus ( talk) 13:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Cleo123. Please be aware that a request for comments has been filed concerning your conduct on Wikipedia. The RFC entry can be found by your name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Cleo123, where you may want to participate. -- Tendancer ( talk) 06:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Doesn't look like you're still editing, but to let you know i've closed it. I've asked that you try and refrain from using BLP reasons when editing mainspace articles, and instead use WP:BLP/N. Wizardman 23:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Dear cleo, I wanted to thank you for defending me in the discussion with JohnCarter about a month ago. It seems that I have been painted as a bad,"anti-ISKCON guy", aggressive person on wikipedia by wikidas,johncarter, ism schim and others. If you look at the comments I have left I was to try to defend the articles from ISKCON/Cult dominance on wikipedia...nothing more. Most of what has been put on the articles by these people are unfounded, unlogical and just plain fantasy, by the general hindu,scriptural-following community. Most of what wikidas and others are putting on wikipedia is absolutely against the Hindu religion and the holy books of india and written with a definite ISKCON slant to them. Please take a look on the discussion pages all of the main Hindu pages. Most of the Hindu articles on wikipedia have been written with an ISKCON slant to them...and editors and vistors have noticed this. Many editors like Shruti14 have mentioned this MANY times before, but, have turned against me. Again, thank you for defending against these people. Love, Zeuspitar/Govinda Ramanuja dasa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.67.175 ( talk) 08:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Season's Greetings, Happy Holidays and may the New Year be a good one for you! Bus stop ( talk) 05:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Geez! I haven't logged in for awhile - can you tell? LOL! Happy Hanukkah, Happy New Year and Happy Valentine's Day! Geez!
I'm so glad to see that you are still fighting the good fight and sticking to your high ethical standards for nuetrality and objectivity. Wikipedia is lucky to have you! Be well! Love and Good Wishes to you. Your Friend Always Cleo123 ( talk) 07:52, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
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I have submitted a report on User:Bus stop on the ArbCom page here. As an individual who was involved in this debate, your participation would be appreciated. Thanks. Drumpler 17:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
I know you're gone and probably don't want messages, but I just thought I'd say hey. I did not always agree with your methods, but I think it's horrid that your page got vandalized and I think you have been treated unkindly. I hope you have better luck with your other endeavors.-- T. Anthony 01:29, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hello Cleo123, Hope you are doing well! Please review the current condition of the "Meg Ryan" article. Some editor added to it again (to the "main body" of the article - not just the "discussion" section) the Parkinson stuff. It is still my opinion that it is unnecessary and not needed there. The episode that was actually a minor one in the 25+ year career of still active actress, the meaning of which was just greatly exagerrated by a contemporary tabloids, is not something that deserves such a "special attention" in a short informative Encyclopedic article. The mission of such article is just to cover and describe some really important and most principal aspects of the career of the person, no to re-tell tabloids and the tabloid "polls" etc., i believe... So it was my first intention just to remove the stuff... but i wanted to know your opinion at first, for to act on the base of some "established agreement between the editors" (if you agree of course). Kind regards - Old Donkey —Preceding unsigned comment added by Old Donkey ( talk • contribs) 18:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Yor addition to the Wells article is excessively POV. I don't mind including material that indicates Wells lawyers disagree with the rulering, 'but the article is not a Forums For Rebuttal.' If you rewite it, I will not object to it. But otherwise, I will rewrite it. In any case, I've added a POV tag, because it is POV.
Also, as to your comments in the discussion, hostility has nothing to do with it. This is not an article about Wells' career, it's a biography of an individual and therefor includes information about more than Wells career. Proxy User ( talk) 07:33, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
It's inappropriate to place a POV tag where you did in the Marijuana Incident section, as that content is directly based on official police reports and court documents and contains no POV material. I removed it, and will continue to do so. If you continue to VANDALIZE the Dawn Wells article, I'll have to bring your questionable edits to the attention of an administrator. If you don't like the way the Wells article is shaping up, you could always seek MEDIATION. Proxy User ( talk) 05:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
Humph! Turns out the now blocked Proxy User was a sockpuppet of some other blocked editor. Go figure!
I respond here to some comments made in Talk:William Desmond Taylor.
Bruce Long is not notable enough to have a Wikipedia article written about him.
True, but I hope that some day I may possibly be found worthy.
The man who allegedly "witnessed" Palmer's alleged confession waited some 30 years to drop his "bombshell" revelation. Did he bring the information to the police? Heck - no!
I would not fault someone for not going to the police under such circumstances. The police could care less about an alleged deathbed confession of an old inactive case, unless the confession implicated someone still alive, and provided a trail to more solid evidence.
...He contacted Bruce Long - right around the time Long was trying to publish a compilation of original documents. How fortuitous for Mr. Long!
I assume this is a reference to Taylorology (since my book was published years earlier). The electronic issues of Taylorology were published in electronic form only, free, and I made no profit from them. It was Taylorology which led the "witness" to contact me, and Taylorology was nearing the end of its run. I am very aware that the alleged confession lends itself to easy skepticism, but I felt that it still warranted inclusion in Taylorology.
If this information were at all "credible" or "widely held" it would have been picked up by the mainstream media.
Mainstream media has minimal interest in the Taylor case.
I find it fascinating that no book has been published espousing Long's theory.
It's not my theory. The only book on the Taylor case which has appeared since the Gibson-theory appeared was Higham's "Murder in Hollywood", and since that theory conflicts with Higham's solution, it is natural that he would ignore it.
Long strikes me as a shameless self promoter and I am deeply concerned by the number of references to his website I find inserted all over Wikipedia.
Most of those references are interviews with silent stars (on the page of the star) or articles written by authors (on the page of the author). I thought those references, containing the actual words of the person, were very relevant and useful.
I did add a page for Taylorology; I thought the number of references and citations elsewhere warranted it. But since it has recently been tagged, the page might soon be deleted. Some of the "shameless" self-promotion was my response to the tagging, an effort to show that its web content was notable.
..his newsletter..
I consider Taylorology to be more of a fanzine than a newsletter.
He was only a "staff member". Intersting how he continually seems to reference employment at a University. An attempt to establish some sort of scholarly credibility? Perhaps?
I did reference it on the Taylorology page, but I don't recall referencing it elsewhere on Wikipedia, except perhaps to correct where someone else had mistakenly called me a professor. I don't consider myself a "writer" or "author". Perhaps a "conglomerator?" I do feel my former staff position at ASU is relevant, because the research facilities of the university were used so extensively in locating the source material for Taylorology and my 1991 book on Taylor. -- Pikabruce ( talk) 18:33, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
I have tried to adapt the wording of the WDT article (and related articles) according to the concerns raised by you and another editor as to NPoV and the use of the word credibility (which I have removed altogether as it related to Gibson's reported confession, anywhere I could find it).
As to Taylorology, the newsletter was published by subscription through the mails for several years and subsequently mirrored on many web sites. It has become a widely noted source on the early Hollywood film colony and does conform as a reliable source under WP:RS. If you can find any reliable sources in which writers dispute anything having to do with Gibson's reported confession, I again ask you to provide them on the article's talk page and we can include them in the article.
This said, from the outset I have found your editing style often rather combative, sarcastic and mocking. I think this was an unhelpful distraction and I can say it caused me to hesitate about taking you seriously. Moreover, your characterization (above) of my edits as irresponsible was neither helpful, accurate nor acceptable. Rather than referring you to the sundry Wikipedia policies regarding verifiability and reliability of sources and how these are applied to articles, along with the need for civility and assumption of good faith, I humbly but strongly ask that you seek these policy pages out for yourself, read them and do what you can to limit your edits to comments on sources and content, rather than sweeping, negative generalizations as to the motiviations of editors and sources or emotional appeals about the reputations of deceased figures in biographical articles. Rather, let the sources speak and please keep in mind that WP:BLP does not apply to William Desmond Taylor or Margaret Gibson. If you have lingering legal worries, please have a look at WP:OFFICE.
Lastly, I'm more than happy to work with you on getting more verifiable sources of any PoV or take into these articles. Thanks... and cheers. Gwen Gale ( talk) 23:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Dear Cleo,
Thank you so much for your note on my page. Yes, it surely feels like harassment but in the end it seems the administrators and community always seem to recognize it sooner or later and shut it down. You might be interested in this and this. You'll see that Shashwat's been harassing me for a long time but I figure it reflects more on him than on me.
Yes, I would greatly appreciate help watching him. I think he's effectively shut down now.
If he attempts to re-post again (no doubt under a different identity) then it would be great to get the biography group involved as there is a lot of OR going on based on primary sources and clear libel and defamation as ruled by two courts already. Thank you again for your note.
Best, Renee Renee ( talk) 15:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Dear Cleo,
Well, it seems that Cult Free World has really stepped over the boundary and now published an entire newspaper article that two courts in India found libelous and defamatory here. So, yes, I accept your offer for assistance and it looks like we should get the Biography project involved as this is a serious breach of Wikipedia policy to have posted this.
What steps should be taken? Thanks, Renee Renee ( talk) 08:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your note and Yikes! You must not have noticed but I posted something on the BLP board too here. It's good to hear an outside third opinion though so I know I'm not going crazy.
I'd be curious as to what other people on the Biography project think of such a source, as outside third opinions as well. If you were so inclined it'd be nice to get your outside opinion on the rest of the article too, found here. The user has asked for feedback here. For background, the archives contain the history of discussions on various issues. Thanks, Renee ( talk) 02:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Hi Cleo, Per your note above, you had wanted to take a look at Cult's RFC. Here it is. Maybe some of your biography project friends might give their input on the validity of various sources. Thanks, Renee Renee ( talk) 23:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Cleo123:
Thanks for your comments at the referenced discussion page.
It did not cross my mind that posting a truthful and non-fraudulent article would cause such furor and hatred.
My experience here has confirmed every negative stereotype about Wikipedia, and every negative stereotype about people who prefer to live in a virtual world rather than the real one. I appreciate your comments and wish you the best. Thanks again and have a good day. Maple50 ( talk) 16:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
....let it be. I obviously do not wish to talk to you. Feel free to revert. :) SynergeticMaggot ( talk) 07:39, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
I understand. You removed my message from your page [1] because you don't want others to see the obvious mistake you made in rushing to judgment. It's too bad that you aren't big enough to admit your error and apologize. You might want to have a look at WP:CIVIL. Cleo123 ( talk) 07:46, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
For what its worth, you seem to have done little if any investigation of my RfA. If you had looked at it, and it can easily be found at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Warlordjohncarter, you will note that the Bus stop incident was mentioned both my me and at least one of those who voted support, and that, in fact, my username was changed after the RfA had begun, so it could hardly qualify as "burying my record and hiding it from community view", as you said. In fact, such clearly unsubstantiated allegations might themselves be taken as being a form of personal attack. I would strongly encourage you in the future to at least learn something about the matters in question before making such clearly inaccurate comments. John Carter ( talk) 19:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi there. Could you please read this. If you help provide information, I will broker a version of the page that significantly expands on the topic and ensures that everyone will be comfortable. However, I ask that you refrain from talking about previous edits to the page during this process, so that we can all work together as a team. Thanks. :) Ottava Rima ( talk) 18:48, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I asked you to keep your dispute off my talk page and you reverted my removal twice. I have filed a complaint
here.
Ottava Rima (
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03:10, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Interestingly enough, I've taken the time to look at your recent edits and behaviour and come to my own conclusions. Interestingly enough, said conclusions don't match yours, particularly about your bull-in-a-china-shop interactions with other editors and your odd interpretations of policy. Interestingly enough, despite the edit summary you left on Meaghan Jette Martin, you've not attempted the slightest explanation or justification for your edits, given the collection of initialisms you originally left don't back your claim in the slightest. Interestingly enough, you apparently prefer to rely on argumentum ad hominem than an actual argument.
If you have any actual policy-based arguments to offer in your defense, now would be the time bring them forth. -- CalendarWatcher ( talk) 11:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Cleo, FYI: Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#Cleo123, in the event you wish to respond. Eusebeus ( talk) 13:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Cleo123. Please be aware that a request for comments has been filed concerning your conduct on Wikipedia. The RFC entry can be found by your name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Cleo123, where you may want to participate. -- Tendancer ( talk) 06:26, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Doesn't look like you're still editing, but to let you know i've closed it. I've asked that you try and refrain from using BLP reasons when editing mainspace articles, and instead use WP:BLP/N. Wizardman 23:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Dear cleo, I wanted to thank you for defending me in the discussion with JohnCarter about a month ago. It seems that I have been painted as a bad,"anti-ISKCON guy", aggressive person on wikipedia by wikidas,johncarter, ism schim and others. If you look at the comments I have left I was to try to defend the articles from ISKCON/Cult dominance on wikipedia...nothing more. Most of what has been put on the articles by these people are unfounded, unlogical and just plain fantasy, by the general hindu,scriptural-following community. Most of what wikidas and others are putting on wikipedia is absolutely against the Hindu religion and the holy books of india and written with a definite ISKCON slant to them. Please take a look on the discussion pages all of the main Hindu pages. Most of the Hindu articles on wikipedia have been written with an ISKCON slant to them...and editors and vistors have noticed this. Many editors like Shruti14 have mentioned this MANY times before, but, have turned against me. Again, thank you for defending against these people. Love, Zeuspitar/Govinda Ramanuja dasa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.67.175 ( talk) 08:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Season's Greetings, Happy Holidays and may the New Year be a good one for you! Bus stop ( talk) 05:13, 25 December 2009 (UTC)
Geez! I haven't logged in for awhile - can you tell? LOL! Happy Hanukkah, Happy New Year and Happy Valentine's Day! Geez!
I'm so glad to see that you are still fighting the good fight and sticking to your high ethical standards for nuetrality and objectivity. Wikipedia is lucky to have you! Be well! Love and Good Wishes to you. Your Friend Always Cleo123 ( talk) 07:52, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
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