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I am now hosting this if anyone wants to make suggestions or give me hell. Maybe give me a while to work it up according to my usual "standards" before telling me what a bad job I've done. Cheers. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 02:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Since you have taken over hosting the userfied Boothroyd article, I thought you should be made explicitly aware that I gave JoshuaZ one week to bring the article into compliance with community expectations. An MFD will be started on or about June 15 to judge community consensus over keeping this. If the discussion yeilds a keep consensus, we can move it to the mainspace. Given the sensitive nature of this, please tread carefully here... -- Jayron32. talk. contribs 03:07, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to turn of my internet explorer feature where it occasionally cuts and pastes switching around stuff I'm highlighting while I'm working on it? No snark from the Mac users who can only manage one button on their mouse (clicker). Thanks. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 04:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey, you were surprised that Gwen Gale and I have the same image on our user pages. It just occurred to me to look and see how many others have the same picture. Take a look at the File links section of File:JWW TheLadyOfShallot 1888.jpg. Lady of Shalott 05:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
User:ChildofMidnight/David Boothroyd, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:ChildofMidnight/David Boothroyd and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:ChildofMidnight/David Boothroyd during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. rootology ( C)( T) 13:08, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Do you really think a bootleg is notable? The nominator and I have searched and found no sources. Albums ≠ inherently notable. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 13:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello, ChildofMidnight. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.-- Johnnyturk888 ( talk) 16:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
When wielding a trout against another editor as you did here it is helpful to explain your point of view. It is very little help being hit by a fish if it does not come with an explanation of why it was deserved. Even without a trout involved it is helpful to explain your point of view at a MfD and not simply say Keep. Perhaps you could enlighten us at that debate to the reasoning behind your position and fish swinging? Chillum 16:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
That is your prerogative, but please know that opinions on MfDs expressed without an accompanying argument are often given little to no weight. Peace. Chillum 16:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to be jamming. So I'll see you all soon. Don't wait up. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 17:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I see that your friend has been blocked.-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 20:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, this month, Let's Go To San Francisco, Mutumuna Falls and Ravana Falls (all currently under construction). They all still need developing but it is a start. The waterfalls articles need pictures and one of them has a problem with a "blacklisted" external link. I still like vandalism patrolling more than creating articles though...
Hey, just a personal question, are you a fan of this band?-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 06:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I think I will respectfully decline this offer at this point in time, though you may find some additional relevant sources at Politico's Guide to the History of British Political Parties and at United Kingdom Election Results. Cirt ( talk) 03:32, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Your edits to this article were unsourced and completely incorrect. They have been reverted. In fact what I wrote is not quite finished - it is a stub, which will be the lede a more detailed article. Please do not edit like this in future without sources. It is completely unhelpful. Mathsci ( talk) 16:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi, my virtual colleague! I hope u r ok. Now it is time when I need your help. There is a very strange person User:Jasepl who is constantly accused of vandalism. Now he is trying to edit "my baby" :))) Aeroflot – Russian Airlines destinations in his own way, deleting everything he thinks useless. To whom I shoud address and how can I stop him of vandalism? Thanks! --Dimitree 22:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimitree ( talk • contribs)
But an amazing stew of cuttlefish with wine, olives and a bit of its ink to give a musky flavor. Served with brown bread and white wine under a grapevine arbor on a lazy afternoon. :~) Aymatth2 ( talk) 01:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC) :~) :~) :~)
Hi there,
you put this banner on top of this brand-new article, saying that the article is impenetrable to the non-specialist. Two things:
Regards, Diesel-50 ( talk) 04:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
...for letting me know. Turns out it was an article about an unrelated early 20th century politician from Victoria with information about a 20yo university student from my home city tacked on the beginning. Very odd - deleted it :) Orderinchaos 16:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
In order to complete the collection we have commissioned an elections specialist, David Boothroyd (author of The History of British Political Parties) to compile the fifth volume from scratch, but staying true to the format of the Times Guides of the era...
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help)Came across this interesting tidbit of info whilst doing additional research for The History of British Political Parties. Cheers, Cirt ( talk) 13:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Scroll down... and no bacon jokes. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q.
The discussions over here Category talk:Motorcycles in The Art of the Motorcycle Exhibition add some further details on this project, but I undid your tags because sufficient citations were already given to support what was on the list, and that the exhibit was of major importantance -- it broke attendance records for the Guggenheim and exceeded the yearly attendane of most museums worldwide in only 3 months. Google news and Google Scholar also shows it caused major upheavals in the art world -- I'm working on a separate article on the topic. Please post at the Talk page if you have further questions. Thanks!-- Dbratland ( talk) 22:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
You have one. Law type! snype? 00:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Nope, born and raised right here in the good ole USA. I do admit that I aspire to many of the qualities that the British have: Dignity, respect, civility, and honor. I also admire the friendliness of Aussies mate. ;). But no, I'm one of those arrogant Americans; born and breed. East coast don't cha know?... PA ... Pittsburgh, home of the Superbowl Champion Steelers, and the Stanley Cup champs - The Penguins. Sorry, couldn't resist that .. lol.
Hey CoM, I do want to thank you too. All humor, "moth to the flame" aside. I greatly appreciate your support, and all your efforts to keep things on a "real life" .. "what's best for the wiki" .. "let's not get buried in foolishness" type of thing. I may not always agree with you, but I do love the breath of fresh air that you bring to the place. Thank you so much for being you, and I wish you and yours all of the very best!!! — Ched : ? 05:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Done see
User:ChildofMidnight/Arab–Israeli conflict facts, figures, and statistics.
Cirt (
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06:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
So I brought a seven-layer salad courtesy of the elitist NYT. Scroll down the page till you get to the Obama photo in the right-hand column...the 7LS reference is directly across from it (or was)...I thought it was pretty funny and hope you do too. Seriously, I came here via the Connie Bea Hope article to let you know that I asked User:Billy Hathorn to provide some help in sourcing. He's written probably hundreds of these bios and is very resourceful (or lives in a library) at finding the old news articles that may not yet be online. I'm also seeing a lot more Google scans of old articles showing up in searches, so that may also help solve the sourcing issue when the Mobile archives are online.
I can't tell if you're being facetious, but I don't think there's a bias against anything not covered in the NYT. I use a lot of NYT articles in sourcing (or initially) because all the articles are free, accessible and stable. Most of the Google news search listings bring up the pay-per-view articles, and while some of them are free in the website's archives, I'm finding that more and more are not. And even so, their archives usually just include the last 10 years or so, while the NYT goes back to the 1800s. It will be interesting to see how the Google scans will affect Wikipedia...I think there will probably be an expansion of local and regional notability standards, but I do wonder how Google can post these copyrighted articles. Flowanda | Talk 19:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
...I don't mean to imply that you've violated it. I was just citing the principle in play, and I'm sorry if that came across as an accusation. - GTBacchus( talk) 20:25, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I really ought to get after Fractional coloring, which my MS thesis was about, so I know a little bit. The article is hardly transparent to a non-specialist at this point.
ArbCom sanctions... yeah, I read something about those. Was it the Obama case, or the Date Delinking case? Not both, I hope. I don't keep up with the dramaz nearly well enough. - GTBacchus( talk) 21:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I am staying out of the debates, just making slots in the "Foreign relations of ..." articles to hold content, and merging some obvious stubs. Almost all countries are done now except the US and UK, which scare me - 80% of the flak will come from these two. I may just skip them - these articles have enough editors that they can look after themselves. Next phase is to systematically merge in stubs, add redlinks for obvious gaps and clean up the articles. But that is a huge job and I have a short span of attention. Aymatth2 ( talk) 01:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your help with Gerald Walpin firing. While trying to fix the major damage to the article, it's possible that I may have unintentionally changed some of your good edits. It's so confusing what happened, and I tried to fix it. But if I undid any of your good edits, I apologize. Grundle2600 ( talk) 16:10, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Child,
Your user page indicates you'd like a different Flickr photo for the Candy stick article. I checked into the photo you mentioned [3] and found that its use is licensed by too restrictive a license for Wikipedia because it limits derivative use. The specific CC license is described here: [4]. Alas... Geoff T C 19:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for coming by and doing some copyediting. You may or may not be aware that the article is a current WP:PR at Wikipedia:Peer review/Arthur Eve/archive1. We had some organizational discussions at Talk:Arthur Eve/GA2. Any assistance you might be able to lend in reorganizing the main body text would be greatly appreciated.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 04:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above.
Non-compliance to the above are grounds for blocking for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling.
The probation on articles relating to Barack Obama will be reviewed by a group of involved and non-involved editors and administrators to see how effective it has been. The process will last two weeks. After the two weeks elapse, the working group will provide their findings to us and the community, and will outline how the article probation will run in the future.
- For the Arbitration Committee, Mailer Diablo 15:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi! Regarding your oppose here, the exact count of Timmeh's edits at User talk:DougsTech is 35. By the way, I've been browsing his edits to that page for a while now and still haven't found anything that would make me believe that he'd abuse the tools (my criteria are probably a little looser than yours, tho). Is it just the talk page behaviour you're opposing over, or am I missing something (an AN/I thread, edit warring or something)? Jafeluv ( talk) 00:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
In regard to the Mark Hammil edits I was just posting which characters he voiced what is wrong with that? 173.18.28.177 ( talk) 01:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes take a look at imdb.com they are right most of the time in their cast lists and the characters they played, so could you please restore them? 173.18.28.177 ( talk) 01:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes he was the voice of the leader of a fairy village 173.18.28.177 ( talk) 01:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
sorry ... I couldn't resist the obvious. ;) — Ched : ? 03:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing that one to my attention - if you look up "Utegate" on the web, you will see what it relates to. The guy's a minor public servant who's unexpectedly become the centre of political attention after some comments he made under intense pressure at last week's Senate Estimates hearings. Orderinchaos 04:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
All I ever did was add well sourced material to articles. And now they are blocking and censoring me. I see they got you too. Oh well. Grundle2600 ( talk) 17:13, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
here you have references from the largest papers in switzerland , what else do you need for notability!
^ Market Magazine] ^ 20 Minute News L'Extension Magazine Geneve: Une Boisson Fortifiante http://www.lextension.com/index.php?page=actu&actionActu=det&id_actu=13144
Lifefair-Magazin News: VERITEE neu in der Schweiz erhältlich http://www.lifefair-magazin.ch/index.asp?newsid=527&topic_id=2
Veritee® Wellness Drink Nutri-Pharma http://www.agroligne.com/contenu/veritee-r-wellness-drink-nutri-pharma
Eau Taillefine : ultime sursis pour un symbole http://www.bloob.fr/la-presse-en-parle/eau-taillefine-ultime-sursis-pour-un-symbole-5087.html
Montreux Jazz News Magazine http://www.nightlife-mag.ch/azzaronow/NLSuisse.pdf
Check these bacon and egg sandwich photos I just uploaded to Commons: [5] and [6]. Same sandwich - one open-face and one closed and cut in two. Nothing fancy - just buttered toast. "One small step for a man, one (slightly bigger) step for bacon." (I was nonplussed when I found no such photos in Commons. Nothing would suffice but to rectify the lack.) Cheers! Geoff T C 00:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
for the newest article, Food and sexuality [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]. I think the second image looks like "avant-garde performing art" (means not looking sexy at all). I hope you enjoy the images, regards.-- Caspian blue 03:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
You have a very advanced directory system for leaving comments. Makes me feel silly for just wanting to stop by to give you a hard time for your "does Migros carry it" notability criteria. Have fun. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 18:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
ChildofMidnight. I have created two articles recently - both started as stubs - and you have appeared almost immediately to make not very intelligent changes to the stubbed version. This applies to the
Chateau of Vauvenargues, where you described the small village of Vauvenargues as a fortified town. In the mathematical stub
Butcher group, which is about to be expanded, you similarly appeared out of the blue and made an unhelpful change to the stub separating closely linked sentences. This is a formal warning that if you continue following me around like this, you are likely to be blocked. Your editing behaviour has been analysed by ArbCom who found it problematic. You now appear to be gaming the system.
Mathsci (
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08:51, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for your kind comment. Bearian ( talk) 18:50, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
All done .. and I even got some help tweaking the things I haven't learned yet! I'm starting to like this! —
Ched :
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20:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi there -- pursuant to Mathsci's complaint about you at ANI, would you agree to refrain from editing articles that Mathsci (and anyone else, for that matter) is actively editing? Even if your edits are making corrections, it can be quite confusing when two editors are having a go at the same text at the same time. It doesn't take too much effort to wait until they are done for the day. I would also ask that you agree to discuss content disputes in a civil manner, and I would ask Mathsci to agree to the same. -- Laser brain (talk) 21:18, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Uh...no. I stand by my comments. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean I own you an apology. As my Aussie friend would stay...buck up. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 22:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
This [14] is not tolerable. I've blocked you for 24h for invicility William M. Connolley ( talk) 23:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
This is a bad block. No reason for it. The other editor has called CoM ignorant of HIS those articles. The Admin blocked the wrong editor.-- Jojhutton ( talk) 02:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
CoM: I'm very sorry to see you were blocked. I hope you can take what George suggested in the spirit intended. There is wisdom there. I'd like to see you back working on interesting articles again soon. Jonathunder ( talk) 02:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree, this block was an error in judgment. — Ched : ? 02:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I haven't read all of the discussion in this section but after finding out about ChildofMidnight's "block for incivility", I was wondering what was meant by this edit summary.-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 03:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
That's okay CoM. After all, Wikipedia is not always a serious place. I saw that the "drunk" comment above caused a discussion on ANI. I really do hope that there is no policy on being perfectly sober when editing. Because I've been known to edit while enjoying a beer...-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 06:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Someone go tell him I hope he's okay! Too much lifting. Even using the force (especially using the force?), you can do serious damage overworking your index finger. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 07:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Can you mutilate User:Kelapstick/Coeur Alaska, Inc. v. Southeast Alaska Conservation Council when you get a minute.-- kelapstick ( talk) 19:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I used your hints and just finished a cleanup and expansion of The Cheating Scales of Bullamanka to address the nom's concerns. Anything you might add? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey CoM, I'm having a beer. Want one? Pop it open, have a sip...the first sentence of Butcher group was not a run-on sentence, strictly speaking. That's the bad news. The good news: that tweak of yours did actually improve the legibility of the sentence. But hey, I'm just a grammarian who dabbles in rhetoric (or the other way around). I also agree that that block was over the top. Whatever followed that, in general I like to think "que sera, sera," and hope that you will feel the same way. Mathsci was behaving in a less-than-civil manner, to put it politely, and filing that AN/I thread, well, there was no need for that kind of knee-jerk reaction at all. You'll be back soon, producing content and tweaking to your heart's content, I hope.
Sippy and Rosie are snoring, Gina and her female friends are sipping Bellinis (I cater other people's So You Think You Can Dance parties, apparently), and I got a cardboard guitar for father's day. Take care, Drmies ( talk) 04:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Here's my editing history from the time I've been accused of stalking Mathsci. These are all new articles I worked on at new page patrol that were created around the same time. So the attacks and false accusations on me are obviously lies. But this kind of abuse gets rewarded by drunk and incompetent admins.
And of course there's lots more incivility, false accusations, personal attacks, and other violations on the ANI board from the usual circus clowns. But it's par for the course here on Wiki. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 06:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC) ChildofMidnight ( talk) 05:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Child, I understand your anger for the bad block by the admin who is notorious for his numerous questionable admin actions and conduct issues. However, Gwen (though she is not enthusiastic about unblocking you) has tried to help you. Do not expect that everyone would be sympathize your wrong block. You have attracted a lot of enemies and trolls for the Obama case and they will take an advantage of your ArbCom sanction just like Mathsic who has rather made horrendous accusations and threats has done to you. However, at this time, I suggest you to stay away from the Wikipedia right now. Having been told, you're really poor at defending yourself just like in the Obama Arbitration. I think you have some odd prejudice on the unblock template. That is made for anyone who wishes to be unblocked regardless of whether their blocking admin is wrongly blocked (in this case) or not.Your rant here is rather firming your blocked status. Please be practical and calm down.-- Caspian blue 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
So the decision is purely up to you.-- Caspian blue 17:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
CoM, I agree with many others this was a bad block. It was a cool down block, made after some incivil remarks of yours, by an admin who stated he was drunk at the time. I think that stinks. That said, you have been your own worst enemy since. Cool down blocks simply don't cool one down, I know, but if you could try to take the advice Georgewilliamherbert and several others gave you, tried to be kind, even when others were not, and used the unblock template, you probably would have been unblocked some time ago. I am sorry this happened. Others clearly made mistakes here. But the only one you can control is yourself. Jonathunder ( talk) 17:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Nice rumaki photo! You da man. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 07:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
And this one. Classic! ChildofMidnight ( talk) 07:07, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I saw you posted stats on my marking as patrolled. But it seems to me that i patrolled many more articles than that. But I believe when they are actually edited, they are marked as patrolled, but don't show up in the log? Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, that's what it looked like to me. It's rare that I just mark something patrolled because usually new articles need some work. So most of those I mark that way are redirects, or new articles by established editors. Anyway, just thinking "out loud" I guess and noting that the listing you posted is a small fraction of the articles I patrolled around that time. Unless I'm mistaken, which does occasionally happen... ChildofMidnight ( talk) 07:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Really until your block is expired or "Some Sensible" admin would unblock you.-- Caspian blue 17:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Once you're back in action, you might consider registering User:Childofmidnight and User:Child of midnight; the CamelCase in your name means that the case-insentitive search function doesn't work properly. – xeno talk 18:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
BTW, something completely off-topic I've been curious about: is your user name related to Midnight's Children, the novel? Jonathunder ( talk) 18:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't really care that much about the harassment I'm receiving. But this wp:ani#Never-ending disruption by Grundle2600 monstrous attack by pov pushers like Tarc, Allstarecho and Bigtimepeace is totally unacceptable.
Grundle has an interesting approach to be sure, and he's not perfect, but he's one of the most collegial and patient editors on here. He's created numerous good articles on many subjects including political topics like these:
That he'd be banned from creating new articles of this kind by editors misrepresenting his work here is outrageous. The evidence they cite includes perfectly legitimate article subjects like Gerald Walpin firing that was censored and deleted at AfD. And now they're going after the Gerald Walpin article too, even though a simple google news search shows he's been notable for a long career of interesting legal work. Incompetence, dishonesty, and abuse appears to rule the day here on Wikipedia.
The editors going after him can't hold a candle to his article creation talents or good nature. Shame on them and all of you reading this for not stepping up to his defense. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 17:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
For what it's worth, that block is complete BS and Mathsci is overreacting. I used to think WMC was cool (he handled the whole Giovanni33 situation quite well), but this and a number of other recent things have caused me to revise my opinion of him.
I believe you're getting dumped on simply because you're unpopular with the segment of the community that wants to whitewash all Obama-related content. Jtrainor ( talk) 21:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry that you got blocked too. At least I'm in good company! Grundle2600 ( talk) 23:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Firstly, I must say that I am thoroughly hurt and offended at your blatant personally attack left on my talk page. I have been nothing but fair and balanced in my entire life at Wikipedia, and I have done nothing in my interactions with you to deserve such a rude and baseless attack on my integrity and character. However, buried within your baseless and incivil personal attacks were some legitimate concerns. I have responded on my talk page to those concerns; please read my response. If there is anything else I can do to accomodate or alleviate your concerns please let me know, but please also do so in a way that does not impugn my character or otherwise make rude and baseless claims against me which are patently untrue. --
Jayron32.
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00:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate this comment very much. It was not my intention to attack you personally, and I wouldn't have brought up my concerns at all if I didn't think you would be willing to consider them. I haven't worked with you, but I know you are an experienced admin, and truly I was very surprised to see you caught up in this affair.
I recognize that it's entirely possible you didn't know what you were getting mixed up in, but here's a brief primer for you. Numerous editors including Allstarecho, Phgustaf, Bigtimepeace, Tarc, Seicer, Wikidemon, Neutralhomer, Magnificentcleankeeper, Baseball Bugs and others have been very aggressive in going after editors with whom they disagree. NPOV is a core policy, yet I've been harassed and harangued, and have had these editors coming at me for months with numerous ANI reports, taunting, baiting, personal attacks, refactoring, collapsing comments etc. The situation has become so toxic and vile that most editors including veterans won't touch the articles in question. I participated in the Arbcom after a request from Wizardman to do so and in the hopes that at the very least the incivility could be reined in.
Despite the smear campaign against me I'm not any sort of right wing radical and I haven't advanced any fringe theories or edited any articles related to birth stuff or any of that. Grundle appears to be a libertarian (although people's personal politics shouldn't be relevant at all, but it's a testament the climate of fear and intimidation that has become so nasty that anyone trying to balance an article or to include something that isn't flattering of Obama has felt it necessary to constantly defend themselves).
Eventually after 7 ANI reports (as best I can recall) against me by Wikidemon and Allstarecho, all of them frivolous and rejected, Wikidemon had a content dispute with me on the ACORN article talk page, where he was arguing that NOTNEWS and BLP meant we couldn't include a Nevada Attorney general investigation into the organization, and I disputed his take since there was no mention of any names and notnews doesn't mean we don't use reliable and notable reports in the media (obviously). He took it to ANI. He had nothing, so he went digging in my history but found four edits I had made to another Obama article over two days (48 hours), and accused me of edit warring. There was discussion inbetween on the article talk page, but an admin unilaterally blocked me with no warning and no prior discussion.
That block served as the core of the arbcom case against me, along with a copy edit to a talk page, and a supposed "templating" where I asked Wikidemon to please focus on article content and keep discussion on article discussion talk pages. So now I'm topic banned, which I don't think I've violated, but as I predicted, the grotesque miscarraige at ARbcom and the failure of Wizardman to really grasp the problem, has only emboldened the abusive editors involved.
Since Arbcom Phgustaff and Baseball Bugs have shown up posting numerous times on my talk page, in BB case even after I requested he stop. Allstarecho has launched one after another ANI reports, following Wikidemon's lead, against editor after editor. It's abusive. It's not how we're supposed to deal with content disputes. And it needs to stop.
Sorry for the long post. But that's where we are now with this hounding in full swing (and other editors have received the same treatment, but I don't really like to name names as it just makes them more of a target).
Anyway, cheers. I don't really have much more to say. Do what you want Jayron, but my concerns to you were genuine and the problem is all too real. Hopefully with this background you can get a better understanding of why topic banning editors based on complaints by Allstar and Neutralhomer is problematic? And picking off an editor's articles, many of them new, most of them notable and only needing appropriate editing and in some cases merger, is totally wrong and part of a campaign of censorship. Take care. It is what it is. There doesn't seem to be a willingness by any admins to do much about it, I guess they're just following arbcoms lead and can't be bothered to properly investigate. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 01:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
CoM, I've boldly closed the discussion you opened at ANI. I did so not out of an interest in censoring you, but in the interest of protecting you. What with the (in my opinion, ill-advised) block you had yesterday, and the current climate at ANI, you're running the risk of getting yourself blocked. Additionally, ANI isn't designed for that kind of thread, either. It's only for "incidents" which need immediate admin intervention. Best, Unitanode 03:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
ChildofMidnight - I read your comment in the deletion discussion before it was erased. That's pretty impressive that you were able to persuade the person who proposed the deletion to change their mind. Congratulations! I'm sure you were just trying to help in the discussion, even though they are now saying that you violated part of your block. I do hope that everything works out - you often have a lot of great ideas on how to improve articles. Right after I was blocked from political articles (but not from talk pages or deletion discussions), I asked for a clarification of exactly what constituted a political article, and the administrators were very helpful in answering my questions. Perhaps you might have some questions for them about your own situation. Grundle2600 ( talk) 16:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I am not Finnish but I have in-laws who are Scandinavians. I love rumaki. :-) Bearian ( talk) 16:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
I am giving you this as a courtesy copy because you were among those who supported the deletion of this article. It is the text I sent to the Admin who deleted the article.
Cheers
Hello,
I was very interested in the fact that this article was deleted, well astounded might be the correct word. I read with interest the deletion log and I understand that the article has very little chance of passing. However I must assert that this does not mean that it is below the threshold of notability. I did a little research to see exactly how notable this bill is.
I went to http://stats.grok.se/ to look up how often this article was viewed:
Even after it was deleted, in June, the deletion page was viewed 92 times.
To be fair, however, I ran view statistics for 10 random articles to see if the Blair Holt article received more views. Of the 10 I looked up, only two got more hits. This is hardly enough for a true statistical comparison, but it would indicate that the article was getting more hits than the majority of Wikipedia articles. This seems to indicate notability.
Next I went to Google to see how many Web hits I would get if I looked it up. For Blair Holt bill, I get 1,120,000 hits. I went to Google News and discovered there have been thousands of news stories on the bill as well.
As a final note, I was at the Utah State Republican convention where it was brought up and discussed by Rep. Jason Chaffetz, which indicates that despite the fact that there is only one sponsor, the bill is receiving considerable buzz in congress.
The bill is notable for another reason. It delegates powers reserved for the congress in the Constitution (the right to make laws) to one person, namely the Attorney General.
Given all this, I can only conclude that the article, and the bill are indeed notable enough to merit inclusion in Wikipedia.
Thanks for your consideration,
J appleseed2 ( talk) 16:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello Again,
Thanks for the quick response and the suggestions.
I do not know whether the article has received much coverage in Wikipedia other that the fact that the deletion page has been viewed 92 times. The most recent coverage in the media was a story on June 22 in the Chicago Sun Times. Other coverage in the media this month (June 20, Gainsville Times) said that the bill might be responsible for a nation-wide bullet shortage. If true, this would mean that enough Americans are aware of the bill to create the shortage.
I do not think the article itself was deleted because it was poorly written, I think the notability issue was the sole reason. That is what the deletion log indicates to me from your comments and the others. However, being unable to currently access the article, I don't know with any certainty. I haven't looked at it for some time. When I worked on it, I did make several edits to make it neutral and complete, and reworked much of the content from previous editors to ensure conformity to the standards. However, I don't know what edits may have occurred since I last worked on it.
Cheers,
64.0.193.254 ( talk) 17:25, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I hate it when it the login times out while I'm writing :(
J appleseed2 ( talk) 17:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi ChildofMidnight, in case you haven't seen it, Wikidemon has asked for a clarification regarding the recent Obama ArbCom which relates partially to the remedies passed about you. You might want to have a look or even comment, though I'd highly recommend refraining from any interaction with Scjessey and Wikidemon even over on that page. Happy editing. -- Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 20:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
OK, I realise the recent few days have been tough, but let's draw a line in the sand and move on. Take a deep breath and just avoid adding any further negative comments into the mix. I am posting this advice all round. Further postings seen as inflammatory could have consequences. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 03:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! That's really nice of you. :) I was a bit discouraged at first but the whole RfA was a great experience for me and it's really helped me a lot. I look forward to running for adminship again sometime in the future. Cheers, TheLeft orium 19:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry. I wasn't trying to bury your input. I utilised your excellent contribution as the basis of a new article Mythical continents, and placed a reference to the new article in See also of Submerged continents. Thanks for your assistance and gentle inquiry. Gubernatoria ( talk) 00:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey Child, I was just doing some archiving work today on my talk page when I noticed that an old friend of yours had their userpage blue-linked again. Apparently, they are a sockpuppeteer and I just thought you could use a heads-up that he may return. Take care.-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 07:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate the civil tone of your comment here, thank you for that. I just have a simple question though: what specific dispute over content have we ever been in? Please show me diffs, even though you say you don't like to do that. I have warned you about certain behavior, and you have argued with me about that. Note that per the article probation, "enforcing this provision will not be considered to be participation in a dispute." If you cannot or will not show me how we have been in a specific dispute about content—not one about me warning you or warning Grundle2600—then I cannot accept your point of view on this issue. (If you don't want to mention anything here because of your ArbCom restriction, you can e-mail me some diffs, my e-mail is enabled).
Additionally, as I've said repeatedly, the fact that I "have a personal political view that's very much to one side of the political spectrum" is utterly irrelevant. (Interestingly, it happens to be a view that causes me to disagree with Barack Obama extremely often, not that that matters). The point is, you have never provided even the smallest bit of evidence that I have ever worked on the Obama articles in a non-NPOV manner, or that my beliefs about politics have clouded my judgment. Everyone has politics—that's not special. I think it is unacceptable for you to use the simple fact that I stated a basic fact about my political beliefs—i.e. that I voted for Obama—as some sort of "evidence" against me time and time again (I've never done the same for you), without ever providing diffs of some sort of biased behavior on my part. Please provide them now, and if you cannot then please stop bringing up this point. I revealed that fact only in the interests of transparency and, as you should know because I pointed it out to you, it came out in the context of a talk page section I started headed "Concrete proposal for adding in a bit of criticism." It has always amazed me that you complain repeatedly about my "aggressive" (your wording from a recent comment) mention of my politics on one occasion as somehow meaning I am biased, when the context for mentioning that was me suggesting inclusion of some more critical views of Obama in the article, the lack of which had been your number one complaint. Read through that old talk section if you don't remember, and then explain to me where I'm pushing some crazy pro-Obama POV.
As a courtesy to you, I will generally look for other admins to enforce remedies against you in the ArbCom case if that's needed, even though I don't think that's necessary, and even though I think you have completely misrepresented my editing practices on the Obama article in numerous comments in the last couple of days (I hope your most recent comment to ArbCom is an example of a changed tone when talking about other editors—a lot of your problems will go away if you keep that up). If you really think we've been in a dispute, and if you really think I have some bias to which I am blind, then show me diffs here and now, or in a private e-mail if you prefer (I don't want you to get in trouble for talking about something Obama-related, but I do want to put this issue to rest since you keep bringing it up). If you cannot or will not produce them, then I consider this matter permanently closed as it has grown quite tiresome from my end. I'll continue to work on Obama related articles as a neutral admin if I choose to do so, though I'll avoid directly enforcing ArbCom remedies against you (hopefully that won't be necessary anyway, I have no interest whatsoever in seeing you blocked). You do fine work here, but quite frankly I have not especially enjoyed our interactions, as they have taken up an enormous amount of my time, and generally all I've been dealing with is accusations from you that I have behaved horribly—accusations that you have never substantiated, and which relate to little more than me leaving a few warnings on user talk pages. -- Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 16:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Just found out two days ago...by the way, this is MidKnightHunter. Omnechist ( talk) 20:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Billy mays found dead today...=( no more oxyclean... Omnechist ( talk) 18:46, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I wish you would take a look at what was going on with the Sarah Palin article late last summer, right after her nomination, when the article was under siege from left-wing and tabloid POV pushing and I helped to defend the article. I actually got compliments from conservative editors at the time. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 01:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
You do realize that searching with quotes, you only find one hit for John Long, the cartoonist? "Long" and "John" are very common names, so searching without quotes will turn up a zillion false positives. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 15:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, if you enjoyed those, you just might like these. Cheers.-- Pericles of Athens Talk 11:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
only tangentially to the main topic, but your name has come up a couple of times in WP:ANI#Block review - uninvolved admin request. Just FYI -- Lady of Shalott 01:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello again, ChildofMidnight. Tarc ( talk · contribs) came to my talk page to ask that I look at your edits to Talk:Gerald Walpin. I agree with him that the Walpin article and its talk page clearly fall within the area restricted by your topic ban. However, since I was not around to act on this at the time, I think the best course of action now is for me to give you a second warning and to advise you that if Tarc had chosen to go to Arbitration enforcement you would probably have received a short block.
In future, if you are unsure whether or not a page falls within the topic ban, please seek advice from an administrator or ask at WP:AN. CIreland ( talk) 11:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, ChildofMidnight. I noticed at the AfD discussion that you checked off "Japanese editor notified" after notifying me. Just to make sure it's clear-- I'm white, U.S. American, but was raised close to Japanese people and culture, and lived in Korea, and married there. So I have some knowledge of Japanese and Korea subjects, and a lot of interest in both. Anyway, feel free to contact me about Korean/Japanese subjects, but just be aware that I can't claim to have any kind of "native" authority in either area. Regards. Dekkappai ( talk) 19:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry? No idea what that was about! (By the way, managed an article on vegetarian bacon yet?) J Milburn ( talk) 21:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Hey Child. It's been a while. How are things? Are you doing anything exciting for Independence Day?-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 01:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
You know, it actually is a good name for a firework. Maybe when Wikipedia celebrates its 10th anniversary I'll have a firework named after me. Who knows?-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 20:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
How about moving the disputed relations to mythical countries on mythical continents? If all else is ruled out, moving may be the best solution. Aymatth2 ( talk) 16:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I once spent an afternoon with a whole lot of squid experimenting. Dropped into hot chicken broth, it was completely eatable in a couple of minutes, maybe less. Dipped in a very light batter it could be cooked in hot oil in a wok in less than a minute, in a slightly cooler oil in less than two minutes - but no longer, because it would get tough. In a frying pan with garlic and green peppers, maybe a little bit longer. In a soup with wine and other stuff, a whole lot longer. The cooking time makes it tender, then tough, then much later tender again. However it is cooked, the tentacles have to be the best bits - love those suckers. What has this possibly got to do with bilateral relations on Wikipedia? My aunt likes calamari and she has an email address... Have to close down - just got an idea for rescuing an article. Aymatth2 ( talk) 01:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Cake in a mug. But of course you've beat me to it. The source actually called it the most dangerous cake recipe in the world, but how dramatic is that? Flowanda | Talk 19:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for adding those! One thing is weird though - I can see the seedling image, but not the picture in the infobox. If I go to the file name directly, I see it, but not in the box. Is it working on your end? Lady of Shalott 23:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Jared Turner doesn't qualify for a CSD:G4 on two counts: 1. the previous articles for Jared Turner were about an entirely different subject, and 2. there was never a deletion discuss (i.e. an AfD) on the previous articles. I wouldn't argue if you put him up for ProD, however ... I think this Jared Turner, properly references, might just be notable. — X S G 23:40, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
So, here's how you color with fractions. The idea is that a pair of dots joined w/ a line can't share any colors. One half-color colors one half of a dot!
In other news, we finally had a sunny day on Dagobah, and the splint on the force finger seems to be working. - GTBacchus( talk) 23:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm only traveling this weekend as far as the supermarket, and that's only if I run out of grilling supplies at home. :) - GTBacchus( talk) 00:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Is this how they're teaching kids arithmetic today??? No wonder India and China are whipping us. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 23:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
GTB I think I get it (at least somewhat). That seems like an insanely complicated way of approaching number systems, or numbering, or whatever it's called. Numeric coloring? Although I remember the first time numbers were put on a number line, and that seemed weird too and baffling. So maybe we're all just narrowminded by what we're used to: approaches to computational mathematics that work well. :) But it is interesting. Can you divide the individual discs into 3 sections? 4 sections? What happens if a disc connects to more than two other discs?
Goodness gracious, now I'm going to have to start reading these crazy articles you're writing. Where's WMC when we need him... Someone stop this disruption. If my head starts hurting any worse I'm worried I'll start bleeding out my ears. Do you use an abacus at the supermarket? ChildofMidnight ( talk) 00:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
The other image in the article is an example where each dot is connected to 3 others. There are also situations where divisions other than halves are more efficient. Ultimately it's a problem about trying to cover something in the most efficient way. - GTBacchus( talk) 00:27, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
People might have just made it up because they were messing around with whole-number colorings, and realized that the mathematical tools that apply to those problems work just as well if you allow for fractions. An idea about what that actually means could come after, or not at all. That's often where new ideas come from, just riffing off of old ideas. Some people just study graph theory because they like the pretty pictures.
I guess the picture is dispensable, in the sense that you can ask and answer questions without ever drawing it. That actual math used isn't yet made too clear in the article, I think. Even though the "fractional chromatic number" is defined in terms of limits, that's not how it's calculated. One practical approach is to turn the problem into an algebra problem involving some rather big matrices, and then solving that and translating the solution back into the language of colors. Another practical approach is to... try and dream up something else that will work. :) - GTBacchus( talk) 01:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
HAPPY INDEPENfont color="red">DENCE DAY!
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Happy 4th of July! I'm a little drunk right now, coming back from my brother's townhouse party, but what the hell, better late than never to make a response. I meant to reply on your talk page as soon as you left that message, but I TOTALLY forgot. Glad you liked the photos I left at Scapler's page. If you like those, you'll friggin love these: User:PericlesofAthens/Gallery. They certainly aren't good enough to become featured pictures, but they are incredibly valuable from the encyclopedic and historical perspective. Cheers, buddy! And happy Independence Day.-- Pericles of Athens Talk 07:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
In a recent rescue of The Legend of Gator Face, I purposely left numerous redlinks and explained why on the article's talk page. I completed the article for Marilyn Vance and have pretty much fininished one for Alan Mruvka, only to find that User:BioDetective2508 already had done so as I was about to go live with User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox/Alan Mruvka. I am exceedingly pleased that someone is following up on the talk page suggestions, and I will write him to speak about bringing my version over to his. But in the meanwhile, I'd like to have you give my version a once-over. Thank you, MichaelQSchmidt ( talk) 06:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
There is a bad habit that you and many other contributors have when making an argument; stating well if we are going to include this, we will need to include _____ because _____. is not a valid point and is just being overly dramatic. Twice you have used this argument in discussions in which I have participated, the cup cake/cake in a cup and Cheesesteak/steak sandwich merge discussions, and I am sure there are other examples of this in your postings. Making a claim that the other contributor's reasons for merging a subjects would lead to requiring all articles in a category to also be merged into the article is a spurious argument that could be taken as an insult to the other contributor.
Could you please try to make a more valid, policy based argument instead of falling back on this type of tactic? -- Jeremy ( blah blah) 18:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi. My name is Mike Lyons and I am a doctoral student at Indiana University. I am conducting research on the writing and editing of high traffic “current events” articles on Wikipedia. I have noticed in the talk page archives at Barack Obama that you have contributed to the editing or maintenance of the article. I was hoping you would agree to fill out a brief survey about your experience. This study aims to help expand our thinking about collaborative knowledge production. Believe me I share your likely disdain for surveys but your participation would be immensely helpful in making the study a success. A link to the survey is included below.
Link to the survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=P6r2MmP9rbFMuDigYielAQ_3d_3d
Thanks and best regards, Mike Lyons lyonspen | (talk) 20:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Australia is a young country and it's settling was fraught with difficulty due to the harshness of the environment and it's historical connections to Britain. I have a concern that J. Hemy was one of our earliest artists but unless there is some site where people can list information about this artist it will be lost. The NSW Government State Library is one of the 3 most important libraries in Australia, where one of Hemy's work is to be found. So, yes I think the information and listing has merit. Browse Taylor ( talk) 07:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello ChildofMidnight, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of George Li - a page you tagged - because: The article makes a credible assertion of notability, sufficient to pass A7. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. Closedmouth ( talk) 12:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
FYI, Evan Hunter and Ed McBain are the same person. 209.247.22.164 ( talk) 13:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I restored the most recent version (sans the AfD notice) of the page. Let me know if we need to restore all versions to preserve history. If so, I will do that tonight. If you need more info you might try WP:REFUND to see if anyone still hangs out there. This is a page that seems to have more history than other "deleted pages" I've had a chance to look at so far, so it's very possible that I should have restored "all" the versions - I'll check into that part of it, now that I'm thinking about it a bit more.
I just looked briefly at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of terms for gay in different languages and on initial glance it does appear to be a candidate for WP:DRV. I'm not familiar with User:Angr, but perhaps if you dropped him/her a note at User talk:Angr they might be able to give an explanation of their reasoning. Note: I only skimmed the AfD, and consensus is not decided solely on the number of votes, but also on the reasoning behind the votes as well - so there could very easily be something I'm missing on "gay terms in different languages" article. I assume that it was not an "attack" page?
Anyway, it's looking like another long day of "Ched you need to come fix my computer NOW!" day, but I'll follow up on this when I have the time (this evening I hope).
Side note: I found a great link on the "Sexuality and food" thing - I thought it was great, but not really anything in the link that would help build the article - just an enjoyable viewing: this link (well, depending on your point of view on the whole subject I guess). Thought you might get a kick out of it - too bad the pics aren't free-use huh? ... lol.
Hang on a second - I'm gonna delete, restore the article - then move to your user space. That way all the history and attributions that should accompany the article won't be lost ... be back in a couple minutes. —
Ched :
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Hello. I was surfing by and saw this project. Not sure if it's notable enough for you, but here in Canada a long-running comedy/satire show called the Royal Canadian Air Farce had a recurring bit where they would fire the "chicken cannon" at various public figures ( a list of past targets). It's more of a chicken projectile than an exploding chicken, but maybe it has a place. Take Care! Quietmarc ( talk) 21:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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I am now hosting this if anyone wants to make suggestions or give me hell. Maybe give me a while to work it up according to my usual "standards" before telling me what a bad job I've done. Cheers. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 02:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Since you have taken over hosting the userfied Boothroyd article, I thought you should be made explicitly aware that I gave JoshuaZ one week to bring the article into compliance with community expectations. An MFD will be started on or about June 15 to judge community consensus over keeping this. If the discussion yeilds a keep consensus, we can move it to the mainspace. Given the sensitive nature of this, please tread carefully here... -- Jayron32. talk. contribs 03:07, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to turn of my internet explorer feature where it occasionally cuts and pastes switching around stuff I'm highlighting while I'm working on it? No snark from the Mac users who can only manage one button on their mouse (clicker). Thanks. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 04:39, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey, you were surprised that Gwen Gale and I have the same image on our user pages. It just occurred to me to look and see how many others have the same picture. Take a look at the File links section of File:JWW TheLadyOfShallot 1888.jpg. Lady of Shalott 05:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
User:ChildofMidnight/David Boothroyd, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:ChildofMidnight/David Boothroyd and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:ChildofMidnight/David Boothroyd during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. rootology ( C)( T) 13:08, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Do you really think a bootleg is notable? The nominator and I have searched and found no sources. Albums ≠ inherently notable. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 13:32, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello, ChildofMidnight. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.-- Johnnyturk888 ( talk) 16:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
When wielding a trout against another editor as you did here it is helpful to explain your point of view. It is very little help being hit by a fish if it does not come with an explanation of why it was deserved. Even without a trout involved it is helpful to explain your point of view at a MfD and not simply say Keep. Perhaps you could enlighten us at that debate to the reasoning behind your position and fish swinging? Chillum 16:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
That is your prerogative, but please know that opinions on MfDs expressed without an accompanying argument are often given little to no weight. Peace. Chillum 16:52, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to be jamming. So I'll see you all soon. Don't wait up. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 17:55, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I see that your friend has been blocked.-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 20:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, this month, Let's Go To San Francisco, Mutumuna Falls and Ravana Falls (all currently under construction). They all still need developing but it is a start. The waterfalls articles need pictures and one of them has a problem with a "blacklisted" external link. I still like vandalism patrolling more than creating articles though...
Hey, just a personal question, are you a fan of this band?-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 06:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I think I will respectfully decline this offer at this point in time, though you may find some additional relevant sources at Politico's Guide to the History of British Political Parties and at United Kingdom Election Results. Cirt ( talk) 03:32, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Your edits to this article were unsourced and completely incorrect. They have been reverted. In fact what I wrote is not quite finished - it is a stub, which will be the lede a more detailed article. Please do not edit like this in future without sources. It is completely unhelpful. Mathsci ( talk) 16:53, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi, my virtual colleague! I hope u r ok. Now it is time when I need your help. There is a very strange person User:Jasepl who is constantly accused of vandalism. Now he is trying to edit "my baby" :))) Aeroflot – Russian Airlines destinations in his own way, deleting everything he thinks useless. To whom I shoud address and how can I stop him of vandalism? Thanks! --Dimitree 22:47, 14 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dimitree ( talk • contribs)
But an amazing stew of cuttlefish with wine, olives and a bit of its ink to give a musky flavor. Served with brown bread and white wine under a grapevine arbor on a lazy afternoon. :~) Aymatth2 ( talk) 01:03, 15 June 2009 (UTC) :~) :~) :~)
Hi there,
you put this banner on top of this brand-new article, saying that the article is impenetrable to the non-specialist. Two things:
Regards, Diesel-50 ( talk) 04:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
...for letting me know. Turns out it was an article about an unrelated early 20th century politician from Victoria with information about a 20yo university student from my home city tacked on the beginning. Very odd - deleted it :) Orderinchaos 16:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
In order to complete the collection we have commissioned an elections specialist, David Boothroyd (author of The History of British Political Parties) to compile the fifth volume from scratch, but staying true to the format of the Times Guides of the era...
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help)Came across this interesting tidbit of info whilst doing additional research for The History of British Political Parties. Cheers, Cirt ( talk) 13:35, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Scroll down... and no bacon jokes. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q.
The discussions over here Category talk:Motorcycles in The Art of the Motorcycle Exhibition add some further details on this project, but I undid your tags because sufficient citations were already given to support what was on the list, and that the exhibit was of major importantance -- it broke attendance records for the Guggenheim and exceeded the yearly attendane of most museums worldwide in only 3 months. Google news and Google Scholar also shows it caused major upheavals in the art world -- I'm working on a separate article on the topic. Please post at the Talk page if you have further questions. Thanks!-- Dbratland ( talk) 22:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
You have one. Law type! snype? 00:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Nope, born and raised right here in the good ole USA. I do admit that I aspire to many of the qualities that the British have: Dignity, respect, civility, and honor. I also admire the friendliness of Aussies mate. ;). But no, I'm one of those arrogant Americans; born and breed. East coast don't cha know?... PA ... Pittsburgh, home of the Superbowl Champion Steelers, and the Stanley Cup champs - The Penguins. Sorry, couldn't resist that .. lol.
Hey CoM, I do want to thank you too. All humor, "moth to the flame" aside. I greatly appreciate your support, and all your efforts to keep things on a "real life" .. "what's best for the wiki" .. "let's not get buried in foolishness" type of thing. I may not always agree with you, but I do love the breath of fresh air that you bring to the place. Thank you so much for being you, and I wish you and yours all of the very best!!! — Ched : ? 05:10, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Done see
User:ChildofMidnight/Arab–Israeli conflict facts, figures, and statistics.
Cirt (
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So I brought a seven-layer salad courtesy of the elitist NYT. Scroll down the page till you get to the Obama photo in the right-hand column...the 7LS reference is directly across from it (or was)...I thought it was pretty funny and hope you do too. Seriously, I came here via the Connie Bea Hope article to let you know that I asked User:Billy Hathorn to provide some help in sourcing. He's written probably hundreds of these bios and is very resourceful (or lives in a library) at finding the old news articles that may not yet be online. I'm also seeing a lot more Google scans of old articles showing up in searches, so that may also help solve the sourcing issue when the Mobile archives are online.
I can't tell if you're being facetious, but I don't think there's a bias against anything not covered in the NYT. I use a lot of NYT articles in sourcing (or initially) because all the articles are free, accessible and stable. Most of the Google news search listings bring up the pay-per-view articles, and while some of them are free in the website's archives, I'm finding that more and more are not. And even so, their archives usually just include the last 10 years or so, while the NYT goes back to the 1800s. It will be interesting to see how the Google scans will affect Wikipedia...I think there will probably be an expansion of local and regional notability standards, but I do wonder how Google can post these copyrighted articles. Flowanda | Talk 19:35, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
...I don't mean to imply that you've violated it. I was just citing the principle in play, and I'm sorry if that came across as an accusation. - GTBacchus( talk) 20:25, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I really ought to get after Fractional coloring, which my MS thesis was about, so I know a little bit. The article is hardly transparent to a non-specialist at this point.
ArbCom sanctions... yeah, I read something about those. Was it the Obama case, or the Date Delinking case? Not both, I hope. I don't keep up with the dramaz nearly well enough. - GTBacchus( talk) 21:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I am staying out of the debates, just making slots in the "Foreign relations of ..." articles to hold content, and merging some obvious stubs. Almost all countries are done now except the US and UK, which scare me - 80% of the flak will come from these two. I may just skip them - these articles have enough editors that they can look after themselves. Next phase is to systematically merge in stubs, add redlinks for obvious gaps and clean up the articles. But that is a huge job and I have a short span of attention. Aymatth2 ( talk) 01:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi. Thanks for your help with Gerald Walpin firing. While trying to fix the major damage to the article, it's possible that I may have unintentionally changed some of your good edits. It's so confusing what happened, and I tried to fix it. But if I undid any of your good edits, I apologize. Grundle2600 ( talk) 16:10, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Child,
Your user page indicates you'd like a different Flickr photo for the Candy stick article. I checked into the photo you mentioned [3] and found that its use is licensed by too restrictive a license for Wikipedia because it limits derivative use. The specific CC license is described here: [4]. Alas... Geoff T C 19:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for coming by and doing some copyediting. You may or may not be aware that the article is a current WP:PR at Wikipedia:Peer review/Arthur Eve/archive1. We had some organizational discussions at Talk:Arthur Eve/GA2. Any assistance you might be able to lend in reorganizing the main body text would be greatly appreciated.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 04:10, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
This arbitration case has been closed and the final decision is available at the link above.
Non-compliance to the above are grounds for blocking for the duration specified in the enforcement ruling.
The probation on articles relating to Barack Obama will be reviewed by a group of involved and non-involved editors and administrators to see how effective it has been. The process will last two weeks. After the two weeks elapse, the working group will provide their findings to us and the community, and will outline how the article probation will run in the future.
- For the Arbitration Committee, Mailer Diablo 15:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi! Regarding your oppose here, the exact count of Timmeh's edits at User talk:DougsTech is 35. By the way, I've been browsing his edits to that page for a while now and still haven't found anything that would make me believe that he'd abuse the tools (my criteria are probably a little looser than yours, tho). Is it just the talk page behaviour you're opposing over, or am I missing something (an AN/I thread, edit warring or something)? Jafeluv ( talk) 00:36, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
In regard to the Mark Hammil edits I was just posting which characters he voiced what is wrong with that? 173.18.28.177 ( talk) 01:03, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes take a look at imdb.com they are right most of the time in their cast lists and the characters they played, so could you please restore them? 173.18.28.177 ( talk) 01:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes he was the voice of the leader of a fairy village 173.18.28.177 ( talk) 01:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
sorry ... I couldn't resist the obvious. ;) — Ched : ? 03:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing that one to my attention - if you look up "Utegate" on the web, you will see what it relates to. The guy's a minor public servant who's unexpectedly become the centre of political attention after some comments he made under intense pressure at last week's Senate Estimates hearings. Orderinchaos 04:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
All I ever did was add well sourced material to articles. And now they are blocking and censoring me. I see they got you too. Oh well. Grundle2600 ( talk) 17:13, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
here you have references from the largest papers in switzerland , what else do you need for notability!
^ Market Magazine] ^ 20 Minute News L'Extension Magazine Geneve: Une Boisson Fortifiante http://www.lextension.com/index.php?page=actu&actionActu=det&id_actu=13144
Lifefair-Magazin News: VERITEE neu in der Schweiz erhältlich http://www.lifefair-magazin.ch/index.asp?newsid=527&topic_id=2
Veritee® Wellness Drink Nutri-Pharma http://www.agroligne.com/contenu/veritee-r-wellness-drink-nutri-pharma
Eau Taillefine : ultime sursis pour un symbole http://www.bloob.fr/la-presse-en-parle/eau-taillefine-ultime-sursis-pour-un-symbole-5087.html
Montreux Jazz News Magazine http://www.nightlife-mag.ch/azzaronow/NLSuisse.pdf
Check these bacon and egg sandwich photos I just uploaded to Commons: [5] and [6]. Same sandwich - one open-face and one closed and cut in two. Nothing fancy - just buttered toast. "One small step for a man, one (slightly bigger) step for bacon." (I was nonplussed when I found no such photos in Commons. Nothing would suffice but to rectify the lack.) Cheers! Geoff T C 00:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
for the newest article, Food and sexuality [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]. I think the second image looks like "avant-garde performing art" (means not looking sexy at all). I hope you enjoy the images, regards.-- Caspian blue 03:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
You have a very advanced directory system for leaving comments. Makes me feel silly for just wanting to stop by to give you a hard time for your "does Migros carry it" notability criteria. Have fun. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 18:59, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
ChildofMidnight. I have created two articles recently - both started as stubs - and you have appeared almost immediately to make not very intelligent changes to the stubbed version. This applies to the
Chateau of Vauvenargues, where you described the small village of Vauvenargues as a fortified town. In the mathematical stub
Butcher group, which is about to be expanded, you similarly appeared out of the blue and made an unhelpful change to the stub separating closely linked sentences. This is a formal warning that if you continue following me around like this, you are likely to be blocked. Your editing behaviour has been analysed by ArbCom who found it problematic. You now appear to be gaming the system.
Mathsci (
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Thank you for your kind comment. Bearian ( talk) 18:50, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
All done .. and I even got some help tweaking the things I haven't learned yet! I'm starting to like this! —
Ched :
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20:44, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi there -- pursuant to Mathsci's complaint about you at ANI, would you agree to refrain from editing articles that Mathsci (and anyone else, for that matter) is actively editing? Even if your edits are making corrections, it can be quite confusing when two editors are having a go at the same text at the same time. It doesn't take too much effort to wait until they are done for the day. I would also ask that you agree to discuss content disputes in a civil manner, and I would ask Mathsci to agree to the same. -- Laser brain (talk) 21:18, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Uh...no. I stand by my comments. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean I own you an apology. As my Aussie friend would stay...buck up. - NeutralHomer • Talk • 22:28, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
This [14] is not tolerable. I've blocked you for 24h for invicility William M. Connolley ( talk) 23:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
This is a bad block. No reason for it. The other editor has called CoM ignorant of HIS those articles. The Admin blocked the wrong editor.-- Jojhutton ( talk) 02:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
CoM: I'm very sorry to see you were blocked. I hope you can take what George suggested in the spirit intended. There is wisdom there. I'd like to see you back working on interesting articles again soon. Jonathunder ( talk) 02:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I agree, this block was an error in judgment. — Ched : ? 02:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I haven't read all of the discussion in this section but after finding out about ChildofMidnight's "block for incivility", I was wondering what was meant by this edit summary.-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 03:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
That's okay CoM. After all, Wikipedia is not always a serious place. I saw that the "drunk" comment above caused a discussion on ANI. I really do hope that there is no policy on being perfectly sober when editing. Because I've been known to edit while enjoying a beer...-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 06:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Someone go tell him I hope he's okay! Too much lifting. Even using the force (especially using the force?), you can do serious damage overworking your index finger. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 07:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Can you mutilate User:Kelapstick/Coeur Alaska, Inc. v. Southeast Alaska Conservation Council when you get a minute.-- kelapstick ( talk) 19:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I used your hints and just finished a cleanup and expansion of The Cheating Scales of Bullamanka to address the nom's concerns. Anything you might add? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey CoM, I'm having a beer. Want one? Pop it open, have a sip...the first sentence of Butcher group was not a run-on sentence, strictly speaking. That's the bad news. The good news: that tweak of yours did actually improve the legibility of the sentence. But hey, I'm just a grammarian who dabbles in rhetoric (or the other way around). I also agree that that block was over the top. Whatever followed that, in general I like to think "que sera, sera," and hope that you will feel the same way. Mathsci was behaving in a less-than-civil manner, to put it politely, and filing that AN/I thread, well, there was no need for that kind of knee-jerk reaction at all. You'll be back soon, producing content and tweaking to your heart's content, I hope.
Sippy and Rosie are snoring, Gina and her female friends are sipping Bellinis (I cater other people's So You Think You Can Dance parties, apparently), and I got a cardboard guitar for father's day. Take care, Drmies ( talk) 04:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Here's my editing history from the time I've been accused of stalking Mathsci. These are all new articles I worked on at new page patrol that were created around the same time. So the attacks and false accusations on me are obviously lies. But this kind of abuse gets rewarded by drunk and incompetent admins.
And of course there's lots more incivility, false accusations, personal attacks, and other violations on the ANI board from the usual circus clowns. But it's par for the course here on Wiki. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 06:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC) ChildofMidnight ( talk) 05:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Child, I understand your anger for the bad block by the admin who is notorious for his numerous questionable admin actions and conduct issues. However, Gwen (though she is not enthusiastic about unblocking you) has tried to help you. Do not expect that everyone would be sympathize your wrong block. You have attracted a lot of enemies and trolls for the Obama case and they will take an advantage of your ArbCom sanction just like Mathsic who has rather made horrendous accusations and threats has done to you. However, at this time, I suggest you to stay away from the Wikipedia right now. Having been told, you're really poor at defending yourself just like in the Obama Arbitration. I think you have some odd prejudice on the unblock template. That is made for anyone who wishes to be unblocked regardless of whether their blocking admin is wrongly blocked (in this case) or not.Your rant here is rather firming your blocked status. Please be practical and calm down.-- Caspian blue 16:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
So the decision is purely up to you.-- Caspian blue 17:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
CoM, I agree with many others this was a bad block. It was a cool down block, made after some incivil remarks of yours, by an admin who stated he was drunk at the time. I think that stinks. That said, you have been your own worst enemy since. Cool down blocks simply don't cool one down, I know, but if you could try to take the advice Georgewilliamherbert and several others gave you, tried to be kind, even when others were not, and used the unblock template, you probably would have been unblocked some time ago. I am sorry this happened. Others clearly made mistakes here. But the only one you can control is yourself. Jonathunder ( talk) 17:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Nice rumaki photo! You da man. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 07:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
And this one. Classic! ChildofMidnight ( talk) 07:07, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I saw you posted stats on my marking as patrolled. But it seems to me that i patrolled many more articles than that. But I believe when they are actually edited, they are marked as patrolled, but don't show up in the log? Maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, that's what it looked like to me. It's rare that I just mark something patrolled because usually new articles need some work. So most of those I mark that way are redirects, or new articles by established editors. Anyway, just thinking "out loud" I guess and noting that the listing you posted is a small fraction of the articles I patrolled around that time. Unless I'm mistaken, which does occasionally happen... ChildofMidnight ( talk) 07:04, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Really until your block is expired or "Some Sensible" admin would unblock you.-- Caspian blue 17:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Once you're back in action, you might consider registering User:Childofmidnight and User:Child of midnight; the CamelCase in your name means that the case-insentitive search function doesn't work properly. – xeno talk 18:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
BTW, something completely off-topic I've been curious about: is your user name related to Midnight's Children, the novel? Jonathunder ( talk) 18:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't really care that much about the harassment I'm receiving. But this wp:ani#Never-ending disruption by Grundle2600 monstrous attack by pov pushers like Tarc, Allstarecho and Bigtimepeace is totally unacceptable.
Grundle has an interesting approach to be sure, and he's not perfect, but he's one of the most collegial and patient editors on here. He's created numerous good articles on many subjects including political topics like these:
That he'd be banned from creating new articles of this kind by editors misrepresenting his work here is outrageous. The evidence they cite includes perfectly legitimate article subjects like Gerald Walpin firing that was censored and deleted at AfD. And now they're going after the Gerald Walpin article too, even though a simple google news search shows he's been notable for a long career of interesting legal work. Incompetence, dishonesty, and abuse appears to rule the day here on Wikipedia.
The editors going after him can't hold a candle to his article creation talents or good nature. Shame on them and all of you reading this for not stepping up to his defense. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 17:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
For what it's worth, that block is complete BS and Mathsci is overreacting. I used to think WMC was cool (he handled the whole Giovanni33 situation quite well), but this and a number of other recent things have caused me to revise my opinion of him.
I believe you're getting dumped on simply because you're unpopular with the segment of the community that wants to whitewash all Obama-related content. Jtrainor ( talk) 21:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry that you got blocked too. At least I'm in good company! Grundle2600 ( talk) 23:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Firstly, I must say that I am thoroughly hurt and offended at your blatant personally attack left on my talk page. I have been nothing but fair and balanced in my entire life at Wikipedia, and I have done nothing in my interactions with you to deserve such a rude and baseless attack on my integrity and character. However, buried within your baseless and incivil personal attacks were some legitimate concerns. I have responded on my talk page to those concerns; please read my response. If there is anything else I can do to accomodate or alleviate your concerns please let me know, but please also do so in a way that does not impugn my character or otherwise make rude and baseless claims against me which are patently untrue. --
Jayron32.
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00:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate this comment very much. It was not my intention to attack you personally, and I wouldn't have brought up my concerns at all if I didn't think you would be willing to consider them. I haven't worked with you, but I know you are an experienced admin, and truly I was very surprised to see you caught up in this affair.
I recognize that it's entirely possible you didn't know what you were getting mixed up in, but here's a brief primer for you. Numerous editors including Allstarecho, Phgustaf, Bigtimepeace, Tarc, Seicer, Wikidemon, Neutralhomer, Magnificentcleankeeper, Baseball Bugs and others have been very aggressive in going after editors with whom they disagree. NPOV is a core policy, yet I've been harassed and harangued, and have had these editors coming at me for months with numerous ANI reports, taunting, baiting, personal attacks, refactoring, collapsing comments etc. The situation has become so toxic and vile that most editors including veterans won't touch the articles in question. I participated in the Arbcom after a request from Wizardman to do so and in the hopes that at the very least the incivility could be reined in.
Despite the smear campaign against me I'm not any sort of right wing radical and I haven't advanced any fringe theories or edited any articles related to birth stuff or any of that. Grundle appears to be a libertarian (although people's personal politics shouldn't be relevant at all, but it's a testament the climate of fear and intimidation that has become so nasty that anyone trying to balance an article or to include something that isn't flattering of Obama has felt it necessary to constantly defend themselves).
Eventually after 7 ANI reports (as best I can recall) against me by Wikidemon and Allstarecho, all of them frivolous and rejected, Wikidemon had a content dispute with me on the ACORN article talk page, where he was arguing that NOTNEWS and BLP meant we couldn't include a Nevada Attorney general investigation into the organization, and I disputed his take since there was no mention of any names and notnews doesn't mean we don't use reliable and notable reports in the media (obviously). He took it to ANI. He had nothing, so he went digging in my history but found four edits I had made to another Obama article over two days (48 hours), and accused me of edit warring. There was discussion inbetween on the article talk page, but an admin unilaterally blocked me with no warning and no prior discussion.
That block served as the core of the arbcom case against me, along with a copy edit to a talk page, and a supposed "templating" where I asked Wikidemon to please focus on article content and keep discussion on article discussion talk pages. So now I'm topic banned, which I don't think I've violated, but as I predicted, the grotesque miscarraige at ARbcom and the failure of Wizardman to really grasp the problem, has only emboldened the abusive editors involved.
Since Arbcom Phgustaff and Baseball Bugs have shown up posting numerous times on my talk page, in BB case even after I requested he stop. Allstarecho has launched one after another ANI reports, following Wikidemon's lead, against editor after editor. It's abusive. It's not how we're supposed to deal with content disputes. And it needs to stop.
Sorry for the long post. But that's where we are now with this hounding in full swing (and other editors have received the same treatment, but I don't really like to name names as it just makes them more of a target).
Anyway, cheers. I don't really have much more to say. Do what you want Jayron, but my concerns to you were genuine and the problem is all too real. Hopefully with this background you can get a better understanding of why topic banning editors based on complaints by Allstar and Neutralhomer is problematic? And picking off an editor's articles, many of them new, most of them notable and only needing appropriate editing and in some cases merger, is totally wrong and part of a campaign of censorship. Take care. It is what it is. There doesn't seem to be a willingness by any admins to do much about it, I guess they're just following arbcoms lead and can't be bothered to properly investigate. ChildofMidnight ( talk) 01:53, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
CoM, I've boldly closed the discussion you opened at ANI. I did so not out of an interest in censoring you, but in the interest of protecting you. What with the (in my opinion, ill-advised) block you had yesterday, and the current climate at ANI, you're running the risk of getting yourself blocked. Additionally, ANI isn't designed for that kind of thread, either. It's only for "incidents" which need immediate admin intervention. Best, Unitanode 03:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
ChildofMidnight - I read your comment in the deletion discussion before it was erased. That's pretty impressive that you were able to persuade the person who proposed the deletion to change their mind. Congratulations! I'm sure you were just trying to help in the discussion, even though they are now saying that you violated part of your block. I do hope that everything works out - you often have a lot of great ideas on how to improve articles. Right after I was blocked from political articles (but not from talk pages or deletion discussions), I asked for a clarification of exactly what constituted a political article, and the administrators were very helpful in answering my questions. Perhaps you might have some questions for them about your own situation. Grundle2600 ( talk) 16:13, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I am not Finnish but I have in-laws who are Scandinavians. I love rumaki. :-) Bearian ( talk) 16:34, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello,
I am giving you this as a courtesy copy because you were among those who supported the deletion of this article. It is the text I sent to the Admin who deleted the article.
Cheers
Hello,
I was very interested in the fact that this article was deleted, well astounded might be the correct word. I read with interest the deletion log and I understand that the article has very little chance of passing. However I must assert that this does not mean that it is below the threshold of notability. I did a little research to see exactly how notable this bill is.
I went to http://stats.grok.se/ to look up how often this article was viewed:
Even after it was deleted, in June, the deletion page was viewed 92 times.
To be fair, however, I ran view statistics for 10 random articles to see if the Blair Holt article received more views. Of the 10 I looked up, only two got more hits. This is hardly enough for a true statistical comparison, but it would indicate that the article was getting more hits than the majority of Wikipedia articles. This seems to indicate notability.
Next I went to Google to see how many Web hits I would get if I looked it up. For Blair Holt bill, I get 1,120,000 hits. I went to Google News and discovered there have been thousands of news stories on the bill as well.
As a final note, I was at the Utah State Republican convention where it was brought up and discussed by Rep. Jason Chaffetz, which indicates that despite the fact that there is only one sponsor, the bill is receiving considerable buzz in congress.
The bill is notable for another reason. It delegates powers reserved for the congress in the Constitution (the right to make laws) to one person, namely the Attorney General.
Given all this, I can only conclude that the article, and the bill are indeed notable enough to merit inclusion in Wikipedia.
Thanks for your consideration,
J appleseed2 ( talk) 16:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello Again,
Thanks for the quick response and the suggestions.
I do not know whether the article has received much coverage in Wikipedia other that the fact that the deletion page has been viewed 92 times. The most recent coverage in the media was a story on June 22 in the Chicago Sun Times. Other coverage in the media this month (June 20, Gainsville Times) said that the bill might be responsible for a nation-wide bullet shortage. If true, this would mean that enough Americans are aware of the bill to create the shortage.
I do not think the article itself was deleted because it was poorly written, I think the notability issue was the sole reason. That is what the deletion log indicates to me from your comments and the others. However, being unable to currently access the article, I don't know with any certainty. I haven't looked at it for some time. When I worked on it, I did make several edits to make it neutral and complete, and reworked much of the content from previous editors to ensure conformity to the standards. However, I don't know what edits may have occurred since I last worked on it.
Cheers,
64.0.193.254 ( talk) 17:25, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I hate it when it the login times out while I'm writing :(
J appleseed2 ( talk) 17:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi ChildofMidnight, in case you haven't seen it, Wikidemon has asked for a clarification regarding the recent Obama ArbCom which relates partially to the remedies passed about you. You might want to have a look or even comment, though I'd highly recommend refraining from any interaction with Scjessey and Wikidemon even over on that page. Happy editing. -- Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 20:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
OK, I realise the recent few days have been tough, but let's draw a line in the sand and move on. Take a deep breath and just avoid adding any further negative comments into the mix. I am posting this advice all round. Further postings seen as inflammatory could have consequences. Casliber ( talk · contribs) 03:40, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! That's really nice of you. :) I was a bit discouraged at first but the whole RfA was a great experience for me and it's really helped me a lot. I look forward to running for adminship again sometime in the future. Cheers, TheLeft orium 19:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry. I wasn't trying to bury your input. I utilised your excellent contribution as the basis of a new article Mythical continents, and placed a reference to the new article in See also of Submerged continents. Thanks for your assistance and gentle inquiry. Gubernatoria ( talk) 00:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey Child, I was just doing some archiving work today on my talk page when I noticed that an old friend of yours had their userpage blue-linked again. Apparently, they are a sockpuppeteer and I just thought you could use a heads-up that he may return. Take care.-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 07:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate the civil tone of your comment here, thank you for that. I just have a simple question though: what specific dispute over content have we ever been in? Please show me diffs, even though you say you don't like to do that. I have warned you about certain behavior, and you have argued with me about that. Note that per the article probation, "enforcing this provision will not be considered to be participation in a dispute." If you cannot or will not show me how we have been in a specific dispute about content—not one about me warning you or warning Grundle2600—then I cannot accept your point of view on this issue. (If you don't want to mention anything here because of your ArbCom restriction, you can e-mail me some diffs, my e-mail is enabled).
Additionally, as I've said repeatedly, the fact that I "have a personal political view that's very much to one side of the political spectrum" is utterly irrelevant. (Interestingly, it happens to be a view that causes me to disagree with Barack Obama extremely often, not that that matters). The point is, you have never provided even the smallest bit of evidence that I have ever worked on the Obama articles in a non-NPOV manner, or that my beliefs about politics have clouded my judgment. Everyone has politics—that's not special. I think it is unacceptable for you to use the simple fact that I stated a basic fact about my political beliefs—i.e. that I voted for Obama—as some sort of "evidence" against me time and time again (I've never done the same for you), without ever providing diffs of some sort of biased behavior on my part. Please provide them now, and if you cannot then please stop bringing up this point. I revealed that fact only in the interests of transparency and, as you should know because I pointed it out to you, it came out in the context of a talk page section I started headed "Concrete proposal for adding in a bit of criticism." It has always amazed me that you complain repeatedly about my "aggressive" (your wording from a recent comment) mention of my politics on one occasion as somehow meaning I am biased, when the context for mentioning that was me suggesting inclusion of some more critical views of Obama in the article, the lack of which had been your number one complaint. Read through that old talk section if you don't remember, and then explain to me where I'm pushing some crazy pro-Obama POV.
As a courtesy to you, I will generally look for other admins to enforce remedies against you in the ArbCom case if that's needed, even though I don't think that's necessary, and even though I think you have completely misrepresented my editing practices on the Obama article in numerous comments in the last couple of days (I hope your most recent comment to ArbCom is an example of a changed tone when talking about other editors—a lot of your problems will go away if you keep that up). If you really think we've been in a dispute, and if you really think I have some bias to which I am blind, then show me diffs here and now, or in a private e-mail if you prefer (I don't want you to get in trouble for talking about something Obama-related, but I do want to put this issue to rest since you keep bringing it up). If you cannot or will not produce them, then I consider this matter permanently closed as it has grown quite tiresome from my end. I'll continue to work on Obama related articles as a neutral admin if I choose to do so, though I'll avoid directly enforcing ArbCom remedies against you (hopefully that won't be necessary anyway, I have no interest whatsoever in seeing you blocked). You do fine work here, but quite frankly I have not especially enjoyed our interactions, as they have taken up an enormous amount of my time, and generally all I've been dealing with is accusations from you that I have behaved horribly—accusations that you have never substantiated, and which relate to little more than me leaving a few warnings on user talk pages. -- Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 16:20, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Just found out two days ago...by the way, this is MidKnightHunter. Omnechist ( talk) 20:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Billy mays found dead today...=( no more oxyclean... Omnechist ( talk) 18:46, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I wish you would take a look at what was going on with the Sarah Palin article late last summer, right after her nomination, when the article was under siege from left-wing and tabloid POV pushing and I helped to defend the article. I actually got compliments from conservative editors at the time. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 01:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
You do realize that searching with quotes, you only find one hit for John Long, the cartoonist? "Long" and "John" are very common names, so searching without quotes will turn up a zillion false positives. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 15:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, if you enjoyed those, you just might like these. Cheers.-- Pericles of Athens Talk 11:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
only tangentially to the main topic, but your name has come up a couple of times in WP:ANI#Block review - uninvolved admin request. Just FYI -- Lady of Shalott 01:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello again, ChildofMidnight. Tarc ( talk · contribs) came to my talk page to ask that I look at your edits to Talk:Gerald Walpin. I agree with him that the Walpin article and its talk page clearly fall within the area restricted by your topic ban. However, since I was not around to act on this at the time, I think the best course of action now is for me to give you a second warning and to advise you that if Tarc had chosen to go to Arbitration enforcement you would probably have received a short block.
In future, if you are unsure whether or not a page falls within the topic ban, please seek advice from an administrator or ask at WP:AN. CIreland ( talk) 11:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, ChildofMidnight. I noticed at the AfD discussion that you checked off "Japanese editor notified" after notifying me. Just to make sure it's clear-- I'm white, U.S. American, but was raised close to Japanese people and culture, and lived in Korea, and married there. So I have some knowledge of Japanese and Korea subjects, and a lot of interest in both. Anyway, feel free to contact me about Korean/Japanese subjects, but just be aware that I can't claim to have any kind of "native" authority in either area. Regards. Dekkappai ( talk) 19:55, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry? No idea what that was about! (By the way, managed an article on vegetarian bacon yet?) J Milburn ( talk) 21:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Hey Child. It's been a while. How are things? Are you doing anything exciting for Independence Day?-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 01:54, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
You know, it actually is a good name for a firework. Maybe when Wikipedia celebrates its 10th anniversary I'll have a firework named after me. Who knows?-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 20:22, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
How about moving the disputed relations to mythical countries on mythical continents? If all else is ruled out, moving may be the best solution. Aymatth2 ( talk) 16:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I once spent an afternoon with a whole lot of squid experimenting. Dropped into hot chicken broth, it was completely eatable in a couple of minutes, maybe less. Dipped in a very light batter it could be cooked in hot oil in a wok in less than a minute, in a slightly cooler oil in less than two minutes - but no longer, because it would get tough. In a frying pan with garlic and green peppers, maybe a little bit longer. In a soup with wine and other stuff, a whole lot longer. The cooking time makes it tender, then tough, then much later tender again. However it is cooked, the tentacles have to be the best bits - love those suckers. What has this possibly got to do with bilateral relations on Wikipedia? My aunt likes calamari and she has an email address... Have to close down - just got an idea for rescuing an article. Aymatth2 ( talk) 01:39, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Cake in a mug. But of course you've beat me to it. The source actually called it the most dangerous cake recipe in the world, but how dramatic is that? Flowanda | Talk 19:52, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Hey, thanks for adding those! One thing is weird though - I can see the seedling image, but not the picture in the infobox. If I go to the file name directly, I see it, but not in the box. Is it working on your end? Lady of Shalott 23:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Jared Turner doesn't qualify for a CSD:G4 on two counts: 1. the previous articles for Jared Turner were about an entirely different subject, and 2. there was never a deletion discuss (i.e. an AfD) on the previous articles. I wouldn't argue if you put him up for ProD, however ... I think this Jared Turner, properly references, might just be notable. — X S G 23:40, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
So, here's how you color with fractions. The idea is that a pair of dots joined w/ a line can't share any colors. One half-color colors one half of a dot!
In other news, we finally had a sunny day on Dagobah, and the splint on the force finger seems to be working. - GTBacchus( talk) 23:50, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm only traveling this weekend as far as the supermarket, and that's only if I run out of grilling supplies at home. :) - GTBacchus( talk) 00:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Is this how they're teaching kids arithmetic today??? No wonder India and China are whipping us. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots 23:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
GTB I think I get it (at least somewhat). That seems like an insanely complicated way of approaching number systems, or numbering, or whatever it's called. Numeric coloring? Although I remember the first time numbers were put on a number line, and that seemed weird too and baffling. So maybe we're all just narrowminded by what we're used to: approaches to computational mathematics that work well. :) But it is interesting. Can you divide the individual discs into 3 sections? 4 sections? What happens if a disc connects to more than two other discs?
Goodness gracious, now I'm going to have to start reading these crazy articles you're writing. Where's WMC when we need him... Someone stop this disruption. If my head starts hurting any worse I'm worried I'll start bleeding out my ears. Do you use an abacus at the supermarket? ChildofMidnight ( talk) 00:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
The other image in the article is an example where each dot is connected to 3 others. There are also situations where divisions other than halves are more efficient. Ultimately it's a problem about trying to cover something in the most efficient way. - GTBacchus( talk) 00:27, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
People might have just made it up because they were messing around with whole-number colorings, and realized that the mathematical tools that apply to those problems work just as well if you allow for fractions. An idea about what that actually means could come after, or not at all. That's often where new ideas come from, just riffing off of old ideas. Some people just study graph theory because they like the pretty pictures.
I guess the picture is dispensable, in the sense that you can ask and answer questions without ever drawing it. That actual math used isn't yet made too clear in the article, I think. Even though the "fractional chromatic number" is defined in terms of limits, that's not how it's calculated. One practical approach is to turn the problem into an algebra problem involving some rather big matrices, and then solving that and translating the solution back into the language of colors. Another practical approach is to... try and dream up something else that will work. :) - GTBacchus( talk) 01:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
HAPPY INDEPENfont color="red">DENCE DAY!
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Happy 4th of July! I'm a little drunk right now, coming back from my brother's townhouse party, but what the hell, better late than never to make a response. I meant to reply on your talk page as soon as you left that message, but I TOTALLY forgot. Glad you liked the photos I left at Scapler's page. If you like those, you'll friggin love these: User:PericlesofAthens/Gallery. They certainly aren't good enough to become featured pictures, but they are incredibly valuable from the encyclopedic and historical perspective. Cheers, buddy! And happy Independence Day.-- Pericles of Athens Talk 07:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
In a recent rescue of The Legend of Gator Face, I purposely left numerous redlinks and explained why on the article's talk page. I completed the article for Marilyn Vance and have pretty much fininished one for Alan Mruvka, only to find that User:BioDetective2508 already had done so as I was about to go live with User:MichaelQSchmidt/sandbox/Alan Mruvka. I am exceedingly pleased that someone is following up on the talk page suggestions, and I will write him to speak about bringing my version over to his. But in the meanwhile, I'd like to have you give my version a once-over. Thank you, MichaelQSchmidt ( talk) 06:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
There is a bad habit that you and many other contributors have when making an argument; stating well if we are going to include this, we will need to include _____ because _____. is not a valid point and is just being overly dramatic. Twice you have used this argument in discussions in which I have participated, the cup cake/cake in a cup and Cheesesteak/steak sandwich merge discussions, and I am sure there are other examples of this in your postings. Making a claim that the other contributor's reasons for merging a subjects would lead to requiring all articles in a category to also be merged into the article is a spurious argument that could be taken as an insult to the other contributor.
Could you please try to make a more valid, policy based argument instead of falling back on this type of tactic? -- Jeremy ( blah blah) 18:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi. My name is Mike Lyons and I am a doctoral student at Indiana University. I am conducting research on the writing and editing of high traffic “current events” articles on Wikipedia. I have noticed in the talk page archives at Barack Obama that you have contributed to the editing or maintenance of the article. I was hoping you would agree to fill out a brief survey about your experience. This study aims to help expand our thinking about collaborative knowledge production. Believe me I share your likely disdain for surveys but your participation would be immensely helpful in making the study a success. A link to the survey is included below.
Link to the survey: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=P6r2MmP9rbFMuDigYielAQ_3d_3d
Thanks and best regards, Mike Lyons lyonspen | (talk) 20:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Australia is a young country and it's settling was fraught with difficulty due to the harshness of the environment and it's historical connections to Britain. I have a concern that J. Hemy was one of our earliest artists but unless there is some site where people can list information about this artist it will be lost. The NSW Government State Library is one of the 3 most important libraries in Australia, where one of Hemy's work is to be found. So, yes I think the information and listing has merit. Browse Taylor ( talk) 07:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Hello ChildofMidnight, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of George Li - a page you tagged - because: The article makes a credible assertion of notability, sufficient to pass A7. Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. Closedmouth ( talk) 12:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
FYI, Evan Hunter and Ed McBain are the same person. 209.247.22.164 ( talk) 13:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I restored the most recent version (sans the AfD notice) of the page. Let me know if we need to restore all versions to preserve history. If so, I will do that tonight. If you need more info you might try WP:REFUND to see if anyone still hangs out there. This is a page that seems to have more history than other "deleted pages" I've had a chance to look at so far, so it's very possible that I should have restored "all" the versions - I'll check into that part of it, now that I'm thinking about it a bit more.
I just looked briefly at the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of terms for gay in different languages and on initial glance it does appear to be a candidate for WP:DRV. I'm not familiar with User:Angr, but perhaps if you dropped him/her a note at User talk:Angr they might be able to give an explanation of their reasoning. Note: I only skimmed the AfD, and consensus is not decided solely on the number of votes, but also on the reasoning behind the votes as well - so there could very easily be something I'm missing on "gay terms in different languages" article. I assume that it was not an "attack" page?
Anyway, it's looking like another long day of "Ched you need to come fix my computer NOW!" day, but I'll follow up on this when I have the time (this evening I hope).
Side note: I found a great link on the "Sexuality and food" thing - I thought it was great, but not really anything in the link that would help build the article - just an enjoyable viewing: this link (well, depending on your point of view on the whole subject I guess). Thought you might get a kick out of it - too bad the pics aren't free-use huh? ... lol.
Hang on a second - I'm gonna delete, restore the article - then move to your user space. That way all the history and attributions that should accompany the article won't be lost ... be back in a couple minutes. —
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Hello. I was surfing by and saw this project. Not sure if it's notable enough for you, but here in Canada a long-running comedy/satire show called the Royal Canadian Air Farce had a recurring bit where they would fire the "chicken cannon" at various public figures ( a list of past targets). It's more of a chicken projectile than an exploding chicken, but maybe it has a place. Take Care! Quietmarc ( talk) 21:32, 6 July 2009 (UTC)