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An RfC about the use of the {{ fairusereview}} tag on mainspace pages is in progress here. From 2005 until recently, this template was added to file pages when the non-free status of the file was being discussed. In May this year it was edited so that it could be added to articles. The RfC question is: "Should the template be reverted to the pre-May 2013 version, and retained only for use on file pages?"
Since you are a registered member of the Fair Use WikiProject, you might have an interest in this discussion. Tom Reedy ( talk) 04:35, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Louisa Venable Kyle wrote a children's book on The Witch of Pungo ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
You have been mentioned at Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians. X Ottawahitech ( talk) 14:53, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi t | c 15:14, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to wish all you folks a wonderful holiday season. Regardless of faith, I hope you all have a wonderful life. Hugs to the ladies, and high-fives to the guys. Have a great one. — Ched ZILLA 11:59, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
The only thing I have missed as regards Wikipedia are some of the people. You are one of them. Have a delicious 2014. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 01:25, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Just saw a couple notes to reply to - and I will when I get home in a week or so. Thanks all. User:Ched (away from home) 99.108.47.90 ( talk) 14:42, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm so sorry to hear that you felt inclined to leave Wikipedia. It's been over 6 months since you left (despite doing some occasional editing) and it is really sad to lose you as an editor and administrator. There are times when editors should be held responsible for their actions (I'm not referring to you personally, but you have done pretty good work as an administrator). If you do come back, I whole-heartedly welcome you, but if not, I don't blame you. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. Vaya con Dios! Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 08:04, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
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Friendship and compassion |
I know this is very late but I wanted to take a moment to thank you for your participation in my RfA. I was very inspired by the many that supported me and its that feeling of friendship and camaraderie that keeps me coming back to the project. So, thank you for your support and for your continued sense of fairness and compassion in all areas of WP. I look forward to the opportunity to work together in the days to come. Best wishes, — Keithbob • Talk • 21:44, 5 March 2014 (UTC) |
Hi! Just a quick update that while JSTOR and The Wikipedia Library discuss expanding the partnership, they've gone ahead and extended the pilot access again, until May 31st. Thanks, JSTOR!
It would be really helpful for growing the program if you would fill out this short survey about your usage and experience with JSTOR:
Cheers, Ocaasi via MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 20:47, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
just been real busy in real life .. hope all are well. 72.77.73.22 ( talk) 02:55, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello! You have received preliminary approval for access to Credo. Please fill out this short form so that your access can be processed. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 22:50, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
As one of the original 100 JSTOR account recipients, please fill out the very short email form you received just recently in order to renew your access. Even though you signed up before with WMF, we need you to sign up again with The Wikipedia Library for privacy reasons and because your prior access expired on July 15th. We do not have your email addresses now; we just used the Special:EmailUser feature, so if you didn't receive an email just contact me directly at jorlowitzgmail.com. Thanks, and we're working as quickly as possible to get you your new access! Jake (
Ocaasi)
19:48, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Howdy Ched. Just wanna thank ya for your May 2013 comments at WP:Arbitration Committee, concerning the then barring of my talkpage. GoodDay ( talk) 19:44, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Interested users are invited to comment at Wikipedia:Administrators/RfC for an Admin Review Board. -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 04:45, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Saw you on NYB's page. Hope all's well. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 22:10, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
A very Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays to all and your families. From — Ched : ? 16:45, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
As 2014 comes to a close, we bid adieu to some very fine arbs. I have at times been very critical of the collective group, but never of the individuals. I'm thinking an "All-Star, Dream Team" might be fun to consider. More to follow. — Ched : ? 13:04, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Over the years I've heard AN/I called a lot of things, but I think this is the first time I ever heard it called a "safe haven". I guess times really have changed. (and that would be a good change IMO) — Ched : ? 14:40, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Douchebag is fully protected on Wikipedia.
Well that certainly does explain a lot, at least to me. IJS. — Ched : ? 10:35, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Be wary of judging an editor by edit count. For example this edit is worth a lot more than his edit. I'm about quality rather than quantity. MaxBrowne ( talk) 02:46, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Now, MaxBrowne, it is time to stop. Yes, typically admin pages (certainly mine) are sort of outside normal boundaries, and I typically let editors with iBans discuss matters related to those iBans--but that doesn't mean they are free-speech zones where old gripes can be rehashed ad nauseam. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 16:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I very much appreciate your assistance and support. But I have been worn down for almost two weeks on these dramas and have no more fight left at the moment. If you think a few more people will want to support my position, I can withdraw my requests for closure, but I don't think the drama will ever end on the disambiguation page until it is moved, as this was the third time it has come up in a year, and there were previous dramas that I can't be bothered to locate now. The capitalization issue is different,but I fear equally no-win given the weight of people coming in, none of whom have ever actually edited the article, but they are free with their uninformed opinions. The bullies won this round, I fear. Montanabw (talk) 06:01, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I greatly appreciate honesty, and in fact, I agree with what you've said. — Ched : ? 03:33, 25
Ched, could you please clarify (to me) what it is you "agree with"? Thanks.
Ihardlythinkso (
talk)
10:40, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
( talk page stalker)Ihardlythinkso, from the outside, it appears that your are only here to WP:BAIT Ched. So how about you stop? Montanabw (talk) 22:54, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
But it seems like this time of year is more drama, more hurt fweewings, more "I'm going to go to ANI/RfC/ArbCom" or whatever. Montanabw(talk) 01:18, 1 February 2015 (UTC)" That's fine for your own standards what you find acceptable, Montanabw, but me thinks you shouldn't go around pushing your own standard on others, nor in the way you're doing it. You say "Kettle" but I would never ever PA another editor the way Ched and other admins have participated. You say "Diva" but the fact is this kind of unchecked and out-of-line abusiveness makes me feel physically ill (and it's a little hard to have appetite for WP editing or research then). About "Randy" I have no idea what you're talking about. Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 11:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
IHTS. This thread is long because you are refusing to accept another person's position. You are extending this. You are reframing each point. You are trying to force an editor into admitting to actions you and only you are defining. What you are doing is bullying another editor who is kind enough to carry on a conversation. Understand this. Your questions were answered. As mature adults we understand that we cannot force others to do and say what we ask them to. We respect another's opinion and time. We try no not force ourselves and our opinions on other people but accept that we are all unique and have unique view points, you included. i assume you are mature and would not want to force this conversation especially on someone who is tired and may not be feeling well. Thanks for considering what I'm saying to you. (
Littleolive oil (
talk)
19:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC))
Sorry Ched I know you can deal with this yourself, and I hope this wasn't an intrusion, but I wondered if Ihts might consider another way of viewing his actions. Best wishes to you both.( Littleolive oil ( talk) 19:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC))
This [4] is just...WOW. Caden cool 23:49, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
I logged on Tuesday, poked around, saw this stuff in full throttle, shook my head, and logged off. Logged on Wednesday, briefly considered full-protection of about a dozen user talk pages, thought better of it, and logged off. Pretty much did the same thing today, except saw your name pop up on my watchlist.
You have kids, Ched? (if too personal, ignore). Some of the "discussion" reminds me of a fight between mine. One option is to yell "I don't care who started it! If you don't stop it, you're all grounded". I've certainly done my share of that. It works, but you feel like you somehow failed afterwards. Another is to talk to each of them for an hour, try to figure out what started what, try to get both sides to see the other side's point of view, and finish up with a big hug. I've tried that, it sounds good in theory, and it's probably in all the parenting books, but it's almost always a complete waste of time. Another option is to ignore them, and when they try to enlist you, say "solve it yourselves". Eventually they get tired of arguing, and either walk away, or actually solve it themselves. This doesn't always work, but it sometimes does.
Really, these people aren't "disrupting" too many people except themselves; it's not like a bunch of innocents are getting yelled at, everyone is varying shades of guilty. If they want to be self-destructive, I don't know that we need to care. To those saying "where are all the admins?", the answer can sometimes be "solve it yourselves". People need to learn the art of ignoring people who upset you, or who called you a name. If we don't wade in, maybe someone will learn that skill today. I'm not really saying this is definitely the solution here, but it's the one I'm going with. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 00:27, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
So you reply and say I'm welcome to express myself here, then immediately delete the thread, when it is very clear I wasn't satisfied at all with your responses, which were not only not straightforward nor constructive, but clearly aimed to avoid the one-and-only issue I've brought to your attention here - clearly a complaint in how you've conducted yourself in post ANI conversations regarding me. (First you claim you responded, then when I tell you it wasn't addressing the issue and why I can't say more due to IBAN, you fabricate transgressions and start threatening to intimidate.) I think you know what the problem is Ched. If you have cluefulness, you should be able to pick it up in Drmies's message to you, and in my initial query of you. I'm just not buying your response to that query, for reason already told you twice. I could already see by the previous post of yours containing threat & intimidation, there is no way forward with you on the issue you've created here by your elected conversations regarding me, and, like I said, I'm not buying your responses here, they are all over the map, and none of them have addressed the problem that you have created here. If you want to know more I'm all for some kind of mediation with you with a neutral party. But I doubt you'd offer to participate and prefer your current line of feigned attention, goodwill, making threats, then deleting threads. Just stay away from me, and watch your comments, they have been offensive and toxic. The last thing I wanted to do was open the thread you deleted. But IMO you started this with your incendiary conversations. Drmies even scolded you for allowing what you allowed. But you had gone even further than that. In my book that was extremely nasty. Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 16:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 25 | ← | Archive 28 | Archive 29 | Archive 30 | Archive 31 | Archive 32 | → | Archive 35 |
An RfC about the use of the {{ fairusereview}} tag on mainspace pages is in progress here. From 2005 until recently, this template was added to file pages when the non-free status of the file was being discussed. In May this year it was edited so that it could be added to articles. The RfC question is: "Should the template be reverted to the pre-May 2013 version, and retained only for use on file pages?"
Since you are a registered member of the Fair Use WikiProject, you might have an interest in this discussion. Tom Reedy ( talk) 04:35, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Louisa Venable Kyle wrote a children's book on The Witch of Pungo ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
You have been mentioned at Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians. X Ottawahitech ( talk) 14:53, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi t | c 15:14, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
I just wanted to wish all you folks a wonderful holiday season. Regardless of faith, I hope you all have a wonderful life. Hugs to the ladies, and high-fives to the guys. Have a great one. — Ched ZILLA 11:59, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
The only thing I have missed as regards Wikipedia are some of the people. You are one of them. Have a delicious 2014. LessHeard vanU ( talk) 01:25, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Just saw a couple notes to reply to - and I will when I get home in a week or so. Thanks all. User:Ched (away from home) 99.108.47.90 ( talk) 14:42, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
I'm so sorry to hear that you felt inclined to leave Wikipedia. It's been over 6 months since you left (despite doing some occasional editing) and it is really sad to lose you as an editor and administrator. There are times when editors should be held responsible for their actions (I'm not referring to you personally, but you have done pretty good work as an administrator). If you do come back, I whole-heartedly welcome you, but if not, I don't blame you. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors. Vaya con Dios! Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 08:04, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
![]() |
Friendship and compassion |
I know this is very late but I wanted to take a moment to thank you for your participation in my RfA. I was very inspired by the many that supported me and its that feeling of friendship and camaraderie that keeps me coming back to the project. So, thank you for your support and for your continued sense of fairness and compassion in all areas of WP. I look forward to the opportunity to work together in the days to come. Best wishes, — Keithbob • Talk • 21:44, 5 March 2014 (UTC) |
Hi! Just a quick update that while JSTOR and The Wikipedia Library discuss expanding the partnership, they've gone ahead and extended the pilot access again, until May 31st. Thanks, JSTOR!
It would be really helpful for growing the program if you would fill out this short survey about your usage and experience with JSTOR:
Cheers, Ocaasi via MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 20:47, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
just been real busy in real life .. hope all are well. 72.77.73.22 ( talk) 02:55, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Hello! You have received preliminary approval for access to Credo. Please fill out this short form so that your access can be processed. MediaWiki message delivery ( talk) 22:50, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
As one of the original 100 JSTOR account recipients, please fill out the very short email form you received just recently in order to renew your access. Even though you signed up before with WMF, we need you to sign up again with The Wikipedia Library for privacy reasons and because your prior access expired on July 15th. We do not have your email addresses now; we just used the Special:EmailUser feature, so if you didn't receive an email just contact me directly at jorlowitzgmail.com. Thanks, and we're working as quickly as possible to get you your new access! Jake (
Ocaasi)
19:48, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Howdy Ched. Just wanna thank ya for your May 2013 comments at WP:Arbitration Committee, concerning the then barring of my talkpage. GoodDay ( talk) 19:44, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Interested users are invited to comment at Wikipedia:Administrators/RfC for an Admin Review Board. -- Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 04:45, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Saw you on NYB's page. Hope all's well. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 22:10, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
A very Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays to all and your families. From — Ched : ? 16:45, 25 December 2014 (UTC)
As 2014 comes to a close, we bid adieu to some very fine arbs. I have at times been very critical of the collective group, but never of the individuals. I'm thinking an "All-Star, Dream Team" might be fun to consider. More to follow. — Ched : ? 13:04, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Over the years I've heard AN/I called a lot of things, but I think this is the first time I ever heard it called a "safe haven". I guess times really have changed. (and that would be a good change IMO) — Ched : ? 14:40, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Douchebag is fully protected on Wikipedia.
Well that certainly does explain a lot, at least to me. IJS. — Ched : ? 10:35, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Be wary of judging an editor by edit count. For example this edit is worth a lot more than his edit. I'm about quality rather than quantity. MaxBrowne ( talk) 02:46, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Now, MaxBrowne, it is time to stop. Yes, typically admin pages (certainly mine) are sort of outside normal boundaries, and I typically let editors with iBans discuss matters related to those iBans--but that doesn't mean they are free-speech zones where old gripes can be rehashed ad nauseam. Thanks, Drmies ( talk) 16:49, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I very much appreciate your assistance and support. But I have been worn down for almost two weeks on these dramas and have no more fight left at the moment. If you think a few more people will want to support my position, I can withdraw my requests for closure, but I don't think the drama will ever end on the disambiguation page until it is moved, as this was the third time it has come up in a year, and there were previous dramas that I can't be bothered to locate now. The capitalization issue is different,but I fear equally no-win given the weight of people coming in, none of whom have ever actually edited the article, but they are free with their uninformed opinions. The bullies won this round, I fear. Montanabw (talk) 06:01, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I greatly appreciate honesty, and in fact, I agree with what you've said. — Ched : ? 03:33, 25
Ched, could you please clarify (to me) what it is you "agree with"? Thanks.
Ihardlythinkso (
talk)
10:40, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
( talk page stalker)Ihardlythinkso, from the outside, it appears that your are only here to WP:BAIT Ched. So how about you stop? Montanabw (talk) 22:54, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
But it seems like this time of year is more drama, more hurt fweewings, more "I'm going to go to ANI/RfC/ArbCom" or whatever. Montanabw(talk) 01:18, 1 February 2015 (UTC)" That's fine for your own standards what you find acceptable, Montanabw, but me thinks you shouldn't go around pushing your own standard on others, nor in the way you're doing it. You say "Kettle" but I would never ever PA another editor the way Ched and other admins have participated. You say "Diva" but the fact is this kind of unchecked and out-of-line abusiveness makes me feel physically ill (and it's a little hard to have appetite for WP editing or research then). About "Randy" I have no idea what you're talking about. Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 11:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
IHTS. This thread is long because you are refusing to accept another person's position. You are extending this. You are reframing each point. You are trying to force an editor into admitting to actions you and only you are defining. What you are doing is bullying another editor who is kind enough to carry on a conversation. Understand this. Your questions were answered. As mature adults we understand that we cannot force others to do and say what we ask them to. We respect another's opinion and time. We try no not force ourselves and our opinions on other people but accept that we are all unique and have unique view points, you included. i assume you are mature and would not want to force this conversation especially on someone who is tired and may not be feeling well. Thanks for considering what I'm saying to you. (
Littleolive oil (
talk)
19:35, 2 February 2015 (UTC))
Sorry Ched I know you can deal with this yourself, and I hope this wasn't an intrusion, but I wondered if Ihts might consider another way of viewing his actions. Best wishes to you both.( Littleolive oil ( talk) 19:56, 2 February 2015 (UTC))
This [4] is just...WOW. Caden cool 23:49, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
I logged on Tuesday, poked around, saw this stuff in full throttle, shook my head, and logged off. Logged on Wednesday, briefly considered full-protection of about a dozen user talk pages, thought better of it, and logged off. Pretty much did the same thing today, except saw your name pop up on my watchlist.
You have kids, Ched? (if too personal, ignore). Some of the "discussion" reminds me of a fight between mine. One option is to yell "I don't care who started it! If you don't stop it, you're all grounded". I've certainly done my share of that. It works, but you feel like you somehow failed afterwards. Another is to talk to each of them for an hour, try to figure out what started what, try to get both sides to see the other side's point of view, and finish up with a big hug. I've tried that, it sounds good in theory, and it's probably in all the parenting books, but it's almost always a complete waste of time. Another option is to ignore them, and when they try to enlist you, say "solve it yourselves". Eventually they get tired of arguing, and either walk away, or actually solve it themselves. This doesn't always work, but it sometimes does.
Really, these people aren't "disrupting" too many people except themselves; it's not like a bunch of innocents are getting yelled at, everyone is varying shades of guilty. If they want to be self-destructive, I don't know that we need to care. To those saying "where are all the admins?", the answer can sometimes be "solve it yourselves". People need to learn the art of ignoring people who upset you, or who called you a name. If we don't wade in, maybe someone will learn that skill today. I'm not really saying this is definitely the solution here, but it's the one I'm going with. -- Floquenbeam ( talk) 00:27, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
So you reply and say I'm welcome to express myself here, then immediately delete the thread, when it is very clear I wasn't satisfied at all with your responses, which were not only not straightforward nor constructive, but clearly aimed to avoid the one-and-only issue I've brought to your attention here - clearly a complaint in how you've conducted yourself in post ANI conversations regarding me. (First you claim you responded, then when I tell you it wasn't addressing the issue and why I can't say more due to IBAN, you fabricate transgressions and start threatening to intimidate.) I think you know what the problem is Ched. If you have cluefulness, you should be able to pick it up in Drmies's message to you, and in my initial query of you. I'm just not buying your response to that query, for reason already told you twice. I could already see by the previous post of yours containing threat & intimidation, there is no way forward with you on the issue you've created here by your elected conversations regarding me, and, like I said, I'm not buying your responses here, they are all over the map, and none of them have addressed the problem that you have created here. If you want to know more I'm all for some kind of mediation with you with a neutral party. But I doubt you'd offer to participate and prefer your current line of feigned attention, goodwill, making threats, then deleting threads. Just stay away from me, and watch your comments, they have been offensive and toxic. The last thing I wanted to do was open the thread you deleted. But IMO you started this with your incendiary conversations. Drmies even scolded you for allowing what you allowed. But you had gone even further than that. In my book that was extremely nasty. Ihardlythinkso ( talk) 16:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)