I've left a statement at User talk:Pastorwayne which involved your previous comments, and which you may be interested in. - jc37 01:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm sure you'll know what category she should go in. Thkx Johnbod 02:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok - found it now. Johnbod 03:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
See User talk:Pastorwayne#It's time for more information, and to comment if you wish. (Posting this here, because it seems all who are interested in this also watch this talk page, essentially sparing myself spamming everyone interested.)- jc37 00:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I would also suggest the following:
My best guess at this point is that Pastorwayne is grossly incompetent in terms of being able to use Wikipedia's category system. He seems to be capable of providing referenced biographical information on articles about religion; I would prefer to see him focus his efforts on that instead. Dr. Submillimeter 08:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that note. I have blocked him again. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
He's not happy. See User talk:Pastorwayne#Are_You_Guys_DONE.3F. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 19:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow, that's positively nasty. Sorry I wasn't around this weekend for such issues. I fully concur with your block on Mais Oui *; other than that, we may want to consider protecting the CFD/W page. I should note that MO has also been canvassing on a dozen or so editor talk pages.
* actually I had been meaning to nom you for adminship one of these days, but I should have known that someone would have beaten me to that already
With respect to secularism, that is indeed a misunderstanding; since the section header for that CFD was "category:secularism", I interpreted that as the scope of the CFD as well. I see it has already been restored.
Happy editing! Let's go egrem some stuff :) >Radiant< 13:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Could you help me to move the following pages, as I'm unable to do it myself due to the redirects
I don't believe that any of those changes would be controversial. The current names are inaccurate, counties are only added as prefixes or suffixes when the constituency is identified by a compass point e.g. South Antrim, West Down. Furthermore, Bannside is a compound noun i.e. it is not two words. Additionally google [1] [2] shows up the references as I have described, not the inaccurate ones [3] [4] Thanks, Valenciano 16:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. I was reading through some recent DRVs, and I noticed Category:Flags of Nepal had the deletion discussion pages listed. I tracked the problem down to use of the 'la' template instead of the 'lc' template. I think you used the 'la' template with this edit. I changed it with this edit. Hope that helps. Carcharoth 16:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi BHG. I'm sorry that you're needed again at this dispute. David Lauder has just reverted everything on the expiry of the cooling off period, without agreeing this with all of us on the talk page. I'm sorry to waste your time with this, but I hope that you might be able to get DL to work towards a compromise, where I can't. Kittybrewster had a helpful suggestion for a quick resolution to the issue, namely that a third party writes a new version of the article. I think this could work, provided DL & I both undertake to limit ourselves to, say, two rounds of comments before accepting the final version. Would you be prepared to accept this role, if David agrees? Alci12 & Choess have been suggested as possible intermediaries. Tyrenius might be another possibility. Christina Kaye 21:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Fully agree with BHG's last comments. I reverted to the previous carefull summary which was as close to a neutral edit as I could manage. I am merely restating established facts (not opinions). Christina Kaye is clearly pushing what appears to be a personal issue here. I would be happy for another admin to look at the article but would ask that until then my shorter concise summary remain in situ. David Lauder 08:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Oops. Well, changes from singular to plural and back are speedies, anyway. >Radiant< 07:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I just closed your nomination from May 26 Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_26#By-year_subcats_of_Category:Transportation_disasters_by_year as a keep (I personally thought the nomination was a great idea, but apparently we're in the minority). I was wondering if, due to the sheer number of categories, you'd be able to go back through and de-tag them. I could just use rollback, but that's only supposed to be for vandalism. Thanks. -- Kbdank71 02:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Pastorwayne created Category:Wikipedians who listen to Glad. This is clearly in defiance of the request that he stop creating categories. Please block him. (I also informed User:Jc37.) Dr. Submillimeter 12:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok I left a note on his talk page. He essentially has a choice, either enter a discussion about the policies in question, and show his knowledge, or be blocked the next time he makes an edit to category space. There's no longer any middle ground. By ignoring the latest posts, in which I directly explained that ignoring posts may lead to actions based on lack of information, and may be seen as "bad faith", and further by editing categories, (though I think we can ignore the userbox one as "something different", and nearly "off-topic", I think it is notable just as Dr. Submillimeter noted above), he could very easily be seen as "gaming the system", as BHG notes above. My latest post confronts that directly. Either he's gaming the system or not. The results of his next contributions will either be: he'll answer and a postive productive discussion will hopefully start (eventually); he'll edit something else (and eventually have to enter that discussion if he ever wants to edit in category space); or, if he edits category space in any way, he'll be blocked.
I have a request, though. While I have no problem presuming good discernment from BrownHairedGirl concerning this, please don't block him today/tomorrow. For several reasons (which I'm sure you understand). As you know, I prefer to WP:AGF, but I think we're nearly down to the last paragraph of that page in regards to pastorwayne. What he does today/tomorrow may very likely frame his future editing with Wikipedia. - jc37 10:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
all contribs made by User:Derbyborn all of which are spam. - Kittybrewster (talk) 22:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
(Crossposted to assorted "people I've run into and whose opinions I respect")
I realise it's totally outside your field, but if you get the chance could you take a look at the article on Broadwater Farm I've recently created? I do think it deserves it's own article - yes, it might be most famous for events that happened 22 years ago, but having it as a redirect to Broadwater Farm riot seems to me as ludicrous as redirecting Germany to World War II or Northern Ireland to IRA. However, now I've set up incoming links it's likely to be a beacon for POV-pushing, so I'd like to get opinions on (a) what a NPOV will be on something like this where the two POVs are likely to be diametric opposites, (b) whether you think it can/will ever be stable (and whether it's worth trying to keep stable) and (c) how much of a focus ought to be on the riots as opposed to the place itself. If any of you feel the urge I'd also appreciate anyone who feels able/willing putting it on their watchlists, as I suspect it's going to be heavily vandalised & spammed — iridescenti (talk to me!) 00:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
After the CfD closing for Category:Current British MPs, Mais oui! has tagged every single category of MPs by Parliament for speedy deletion. The CfD did not cover these categories and I am reverting this addition. If you're available, can you help? Sam Blacketer 20:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
BrownHairedGirl: I'm afraid I've become addicted to categories recently, especially in conjunction with Fraternities and sororities; see my edit history for some proof. You created the category of Category:Lists of chapters or members of United States student societies, which I think is a great idea. I have some questions which I would like your advice on...
I am thinking of creating further sub-cats, perhaps "fraternity chapter lists" and "fraternity member lists" (with better names, of course). What do you think? Also, I am trying to think if a page such as List of Chi Phi chapters needs both of the categories that it has: is the NIC category really necessary, or does it only really apply to the main Chi Phi page?
Thank you for paying attention to my incessant ramblings and all your hard work in the CfD pages. — Scouter Sig 03:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi again, hope to change your mind on this one; my view it's got to go. Have a look at my resp to yours. Cheers again. Carlossuarez46 17:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
This messege here is canvassing per WP:CANVAS not just because it is delivered to a non neutral audience but mainly because the messege is not neutral since he shows his view that "it is notable". Now this guy has had many warnings for canvassing but now that be blanks his page no admin can see the previous warnings. Now I for one think that if an editor chooses to blank/hide his history then they should already be treated with suspicion and especially if they have already recieved warnings. What course of action should/can be taken!? -- Vintagekits 12:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
In cleaning up Pastorwayne's category mess, I have encountered another technique for gaming the system by Pastorwayne. He has been creating short, unreferenced stubs on bishops that appear to be copied from external website but with the text altered to identify the person as a "primate". He then creates a category (or several categories) to contain the one individual. The article appears to be created to justify creating a category with the word "primate", not to really inform anyone.
This is very bad. The new articles are never referenced, and they misinform readers. Pastorwayne was doing this back in early May. Since he is heavily discouraged from creating categories, maybe he will not do this anymore. Still, it's something to be watched for in the future. Dr. Submillimeter 10:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
One problem is that he's presuming that anyone called a bishop or patriarch must be called a primate, which isn't necessarily true. And in several of the cases in which it may be true, at least as a synonym, it's nowhere near the most common name. (Which is also a problem with many of the extensive titles used as category names. Consider if we were to list the full titles of the Queen of England or even the Prince of Wales... - jc37 01:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Please. I am not sure what the problem is with Vintagekits but just look at what he is saying here Talk:Andrew Hunter Arbuthnot Murray. Frankly its beyond belief, and I can only think that he is targetting this because the fellow has Arbuthnot as a third Christian name!! If this fellow is not notable then probably most others on WP arn't either! David Lauder 11:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I don't know if you've followed this, but the only guy who (apparently) cares about this page finally woke up after a couple of weeks and declared he was hurt that it should have been deleted etc. etc. I'm not sure if I can be bothered putting it up for AfD, but do you have any thoughts? -- jbmurray ( talk| contribs) 18:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Remember User:Burkem? I think he has a new sockpuppet. See Special:Contributions/Lineage. Lineage is editing the same articles and adding some succession boxes like Burkem. Making unreferenced changes. What do you think? — ERcheck ( talk) 23:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
This has been recreated (cfd on Jan 1st - it's mentioned in Dr S's piece on PW). Is there some procedure? -- roundhouse0 01:44, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Please see my reply here. Greetz, Frendraught 09:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Just one question: Was this a result of an action he took, or his single response on his talk page, or something else? - jc37 11:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
At this point, I think it would be best for everybody if he was indefinitely blocked. He is clearly not going to be happy here, and no one is going to be happy with him. He also has too much potential to be disruptive in the future. I myself no longer trust any of the edits that he makes to any articles. Dr. Submillimeter 13:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
In this edit, PW removed an older block notice from his talk page. My understanding is that he has no right to delete warnings from his talk page. At this point, I am tired of him acting like a jerk and then making up lies and excuses for his disruptive behavior. Just leave him blocked indefinitely or get a community ban on him. Dr. Submillimeter 20:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi there! There's some debate on WT:CFD regarding the format of the {{ cfd2}} and related templates. As a regular CFD closer you might be interested as well. Happy editing, >Radiant< 17:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
It's getting worse: see Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion#Aaaargh.21. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi I just clicked on your name at random from the admin list. first of all I want to thank you for your contribution to WP, I think the difference you guys make to humanity is up there with the best scientists.
anyhow I'm wondering if you can (or should) do something about a certain prolific user ( User:Ultramarine). first let me declare that i'm totally biased cause i don't like his politics and through my encounters with him have grown to deslike him, also I can't throw the firt stone cause i have sometimes put my own views before whats best for wikipedia, but I do try to control myself and give up pretty quick if my contribution is rejected by others.
BUT
I'm coming to you because I think you or someone with... (cartmen voice) "authoritei" should really keep an eye on this guy and make sure he's not doing mischief. As i see it (please take a look at his extensive record yourself), he has a pattern. he selects an article starts changing it bit by bit until it pretty much reflects his own disturbed ideology "US/capitalist domination of the world is god's will for mankind" then if no one notices he'll sit back and attack newbies who stumble on to the article and try to edit out the bias. he'll revert, threaten, throw fictitous and nonfictitious wikiLaws at them till they get frustrated or scared and leave him to guard his property... (this is how i crossed paths with him as a few years ago when i tried to make my very first edit), If an article he targets is already being watched by someone who isn't a newbie, he'll just slow down his edits (he spends a significant portion of his waking life on WP, check his edits) he'll argue adnausium with the more experienced contriobutors all the while always slowly changing what is there, until they (having a life) realise they can't fight someone who is so dedicated to his crusade and eventually give up and leave him to take full control of the article.
The fact that one person could control the content of fundamentally important political articles online (that are pretty much the first exposure ALOT of kids will have to such concepts) is bad enough... that, that person is an ideological anti-social wierdo is so bad that it forces me (believe me i tried to ignore it and not to let it bother me) to take an hour to write to you so that maybe you can atleast have a look at what he does, and I don't have to feel guilty for not reporting his behavior.
thanks Bye Esmehwp 04:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the barnstar. Dr. Submillimeter 12:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I regret that your attempts at some sort of mediation have been futile as User:Christina Kaye is back again pushing a falsehood (see again George Home, 1st Earl of Dunbar) ignoring the endless sources I have produced on the subject, sweeping aside all logical conclusions, and now cites the remarks (only) in G.E.C's Complete Peerage as "the Crown recognises/accepts" which is just untrue. The Crown has done nothing of the sort. We either have a real encyclopaedia here or we do not. POV is supposed to be outlawed on Wiki. A claim has never been successful in this matter and it is an accepted fact by every expert that the destination of the titles was not set down and because of that the titles are extinct. Many writers say 'dormant' when they mean 'extinct' and in this case it cannot be 'dormant' because there is no destination. I do not propose to enter into an edit war on this but I believe that she is pushing a POV here that does not concur with reality. I have produced pages of explanation and umpteen sources to no avail. David Lauder 20:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Reply. Sorry that I have been slow to respond on this one: I have to confess that I rather dread seeing this issue pop up again. Having looked at it all, it does appear to me that David Lauder is right not to give undue weight to the minority view of the fate of these titles; but but but this is not really my field. I am not familiar enough with the sources to make as thprough an assessment of their relative merits as I feel is needed, nor do I have the text of the relevant entries.
You are both very enthusiastic editors, and I really would like to find some way of helping you to settle this argument ... but I don't think that I am the best person to do help. I would strongly encourage you both to file a request for mediation: I think that a more experienced mediator than me would be helpful. Good luck! --23:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Please see the posts on the Talk Pages for Vintagekits and One Night in hackney (see below). They are disturbing and worrying. Here is the current one on VK's page: "Hi Vintagekits. Per the administrators closing judgement on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/John_Arbuthnot,_6th_Viscount_of_Arbuthnott you don't need to be bother with afds for the clearly non notable peers/Baronets, just redirect them to the relevant Baronetage/Peerage page. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel". David Lauder 07:30, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
For all the accusations on this page alone of editors going over the top I think Giano's rant probably exceeds them. There has been a small group of people running around flagging up and deliberately taking a negative part in AfDs on aristocrats, using whatever reasons they can dream up. Even when often clearly notable they claim they are not. It would be pointless denying this. I don't know anyone who "hero-worships" aristocrats (baronets, by the way, are regarded as part of the titled aristocacy, like it or not) any more than I know those who hero-worship footballers, cricketers or pop stars. I am reporting here on an admin's page notices I came across which clearly stated that because one single AfD was successful that somehow that can be taken as carte blanche to avoid using the AfD system to eliminate articles. I believe this to be wrong. Thats all. David Lauder 09:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Reply, Listen folks, there seems to be a group of editors here who find it easy to take offence and also seem to cause a fair bit of offence. I don't see anything here sufficiently outrageous to require admin intervention, but i do see several people who could benefit from re-reading WP:CIVIL and WP:CHILL. If you feel that I have missed something serious here, please take the problem to WP:ANI ... but please could y'all consider the merits of a thick skin and a restrained tongue? Thanks! --22:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Do you want to take a look at these contribs please? I first spotted Category:Sri Lanka lawyers and Category:Sri Lankan lawyers, but I'd rather not delve into the depths and see what should be merged into what and you tend to have a much better handle on these things than me. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 303 18:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:Overcategorization#Duplicate_categories. Any thoughts? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Just curious—why did you mark the category for deletion/discussion when there wasn't a section on the project page? I'm really not in the caring mood right now to defend any sort of user category, so don't take this as a plea to stop; I'd just like to know that if it is really intended for the trash bin, where the discussion is taking place, and if there is no discussion why the template was put on the category's page. (: Bl a st [ improve me 16.06.07 2327 (UTC)
Someone suggested that I may haver mistaken the categories involved there. Thanks for fixing it. -- Tony Sidaway 23:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I seem to be have trouble with a sock puppet of this banned editor called Accuracy in Reporting. Can you do a checkuser on this.-- Vintagekits 21:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi BrownHairedGirl,
I'm an Australian Research Student who is researching Wikipedia for my thesis. As part of this I'm interviewing many Wikipedians about their experiences and views-and I'd love to interview you (via email) if you're interested.
I notice that you've been an active member for quite a while, so I'm sure you'd have a lot of insights and experiences that would be very interesting! In addition, it's been hard to find many active women (I'm trying to get a balanced sample of interviewees) so if you're interested it'd be great :-)
All the research has been approved by the uni's ethics committee, and of course you can remain anonymous. As the interviews are by email you can take your own time to answer, so it shouldn't interfere with your day to day life too much.
If you're interested please let me know on either my talk page or by email, and I can give you the full details of the project and what it would involve.
Hope to hear from you, tamsin 02:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Yep, the old version does look better. On an semi-related note, I'm tempted to protect all of these as high-risk templates; I believe most deletion-related templates are protected for the same reason. What is your opinion on that? >Radiant< 12:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:Overcategorization#Expand_this_guideline_to_lists. Bulldog123 16:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi - I agree in principle with your proposed renamings, and it would be good to tidy the category up. However, I've been working on placing the (UK) disambiguator immediately after the party name, to mirror the article title and to make it clear that we are disambiguating the party name, not categorising UK members of a party which is active internationally. Do you think that is a useful distinction?
I also wondered if you'd seen Category:UK Liberal Unionist politicians, Category:UK Socialist Workers Party members, Category:UK Workers Revolutionary Party members and Category:UK Whig politicians, the remaining categories to use this format? Category:UK independent politicians might also need some thinking about, while Category:Scottish National Party (SNP) politicians suffers from the same issue as the SDP politicians category. Warofdreams talk 17:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
BHG this category and all similar cats were deleted a few days ago. Now removal of this and similar cats was discussed three months ago and the result was a very definate KEEP. There has been no further discussion as far as I can tell yet all these cats apart from Category:Communist Wikipedians have been removed. Could you check if this removal has followed the right procedure and more importantly is it a legitimate removal? Thanks Galloglass 13:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the links. I have posted at User talk:Dmcdevit#Category:Libertarian_socialist_Wikipedians asking for an explanation of what speedy deletion criteria apply. Unless there is a satisfactory answer, I think that I will restore them. I really don't like the idea of an admin making their own decisions about what should be deleted outside of the agreed criteria. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
As you noted here, User:Dmcdevit deleted several categories out of process. One you've missed is Category: Wikipedians who are skeptical of anthropogenic global warming, which he deleted. Not only did this survive a previous AfD, but this deletion was completely without due process and an improper speedy delete. I was going to list it on deletion review but I figured since you already apparently undid several of his other deletes you could undo this one as well and save me the trouble. Please respond on my talk page with whatever you decide to do. Thanks, Oren0 10:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I am taken aback right now. I just replied to your query politely explaining my deletions and offering to discuss any that you disagreed with individually. Your response was to refuse such discussion and unilaterally restore them all without any consensus or discussion. I consider this 1) extremely disrespectful to myself as an administrator, that you feel I can simply be reverted without even an attempt at talking it out with me first, 2) an irresponsible act of wheel warring ("Do not repeat an administrative action when you know that another administrator opposes it." Original emphasis.), and 3) a stunning display of wikilawyering to the harm of the project. If you don't truly disagree with a deletion, and even lean towards deleting them, restoring them for the sake of a process is simply disruption. Please revert yourself and lets talk about this, instead of just warring. Dmcdevit· t 10:37, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Let me try to be straightforward. Do you still think that summarily reversing all the deletions without discussion was acceptable? You never answered my question about what process you are claiming justifies such an action (as opposed to the ones that justify you listing deletions that you disagree with, and even then the first instruction at WP:DRV#Purpose is "Deletion Review is to be used where someone is unable to resolve the issue in discussion with the administrator (or other editor) in question.")? Dmcdevit· t 19:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
This is getting silly. You've said your say, I've said mine, so unless you want to take it to WP:ANI, please drop it. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Guys, let's please be nice. Dmcdevit is just as much a valued editor as anyone. He simply feels that he is and has been (I presume) been acting properly as an admin in these actions. What we have is a difference of opinion about whether process ( speedy or otherwise) should have been followed in this case, or if admins have free subjective authority to speedy delete as they subjectively determine. (And it seems to be digressing into an argument of "who kicked who first".) Since there is a disagreement, of course, feel free to discuss this topic, but please let's stay civil. Since he sincerely wishes to discuss the content of the categories deleted, I might suggest that he, and everyone commenting here is, obviously, welcome to comment there about the content, and for the broader forum. - jc37 11:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Just a general query really BHG. In the discussion at WP:UCFD#User_categories_deleted_out_of_process Picaroon deleted another users comments completely as offensive and a personal insult. However having read the deleted contribution carefully several times I can find no personal insult in any of it and while the language was rather strong it was within the bounds of normal debate. Could you tell me if Picaroon was entitled to remove completely this persons contribution from the discussion? Thanks. Galloglass 14:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
User:Dmcdevit has lodged a (very misleading) complaint about both of us at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Pages_stuck_in_bureaucratic.2C_wheel-warring_purgatory (no, I wasn't notified either). It's quite staggering: someone busy making out-of-process deletions despite repeated objections, lodges a complaint against the people who to try to use the procedures. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
(reply moved to User_talk:KuatofKDY#s-gov_broken, to keep discussion in one place). -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
BOTREQ is not a vote please do not use the support/oppose style there. its a discussion please treat it as such. Betacommand ( talk • contribs • Bot) 17:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Those request are normally handled fairly simply by either ignoring them or doing what MBAA did. Betacommand ( talk • contribs • Bot) 18:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I am curious as to whether there are any plans to review edits made by this user (Lineage), who has recently been blocked as a "sockpuppet" (good name, I must admit) of Burkem/Burkem22. I am asking because I have noted, in the past few minutes, questionable edits with regards to Charles the Younger and certain other major figures of the early Frankish kingdoms. For example:
(All this is on just that page!) Also, I noticed that a lot of his changes appear to coincide with the erroneous changes previously made by Burkem/Burkem 22. -- Narchibald84 02:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm a bit disappointed at this deletion. In particular since it happened without anyone letting me know (since I created the category) that it was up for deletion I had no opportunity to comment, or to invite the WikiProject on Heraldry to comment. And the deletion occurred in the space of two days! In fact the category was populated only by people whose arms were actually shown on their page, so there is no question of unverifiability. Populating the category took some time and effort, too. And being armigerous is not the same as being noble. It does not seem to me that this deletion was the right thing to do, or that it was done according to a fair procedure. -- Evertype· ✆ 18:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Funny how I should stumble on you again. Anyway, this is irrelevant from the s-gov controversy (if I may term it so).
I see that you have protected Template:S-par, something that I agree with. However, I must now ask you to edit it, as I cannot do that myself anymore.
The thing is, four of the parameters for U.S. state and territory legislatures do not match with the formal postal abbreviations, something which I believe (and Whaleyland agrees) will confuse a lot of people. I thus request that you change Connecticut parameters to "ct" (from "cn"), Kansas parameters to "ks" (from "ka"), Kentucky parameters to "ky" (from "kt"), and Northern Marianna Islands parameters to "mp" (from "cnmi"), so that they will all match with the official abbreviations. Also, please move the insular parameter lines to their correct places so that the list can be alphabetical (by name, not by abbreviation).
Also, I would like to hear your opinion about our proposed guideline on bicameral parliaments' templates (as demonstrated in our /Guidelines draft). That is, {{s-par|country abbreviation(-subnational entity abbreviation)(-upr/lwr)}}, where upr stands for "Upper house" and lwr for "Lower house" (you add nothing if the parliament is unicameral). Waltham, The Duke of 17:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
{{ Rayment-hc}} - Kittybrewster (talk) 13:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Now that Pastorwayne's category creation has stopped and most of the redundant primate categories have been deleted or merged into other categories, it may be worth attempting to clean up all of the categories on religious leaders, including Category:Primates (religion), Category:Bishops, Category:Church patriarchs, and Category:Christian religious leaders. Should we start a discussion at Category Talk:Christian religious leaders? Dr. Submillimeter 14:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Just in relation to your revert on the list of Tory MPs elected in 2005 - is there a form? Reading the intro, I wasn't going to remove him, but then I noticed Clare Short and Piara Khabra have been removed from the corresponding list of Labour MPs elected in 2005, so followed that precedent. Could you have a look at that? -- Gregg 00:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason you decided to do a speedy keep of this category? First of all, it was not under discussion for several months. Second of all, you're a non-administrator, and not entitled to do a speedy keep. Third of all, you removed someone else's comment. Please don't do it again. The Evil Spartan 18:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey, as I'm sorta new around here and don't know who to ask. I had begun doing some work on notable Methodist ministers and was trucking right along when Pastor Wayne added a header to the talk pages and basically laid claim to the pages. Is it OK if I work on those pages? Does he now "own" them? If he's been banned, can those headers be removed? Thanks, I don't know the protocol for all this. Reverend Mommy 22:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)candlemb
Hi BHG - {{ England-peer-stub}} has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The category ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Peerage of England stubs was deliberately created as a "parent-only" type, since all the stubs within it are likely to be covered by one of its subcategories. As such, there isn't really any need for a separate template. Grutness... wha? 02:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment; I'm now hoping to get the results complete. Also, thanks for moving the 1982 by-election article to a better title. Warofdreams talk 21:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey...you might want to look here [8], as I found something a tad troubling and reverted it. Let me know if I did this in error. Thanks, Kukini hablame aqui 01:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello again. I have noticed your unfortunate absence from the SBS's talk page. I am sure you must have a lot of things to do, but we still need your opinion on several matters, not only because you are an administrator (and can thus advise on proper procedure, do a few changes to protected templates, and help in a multitude of ways), but also because we need a third opinion (I believe I have impressed upon you countless times that there is nobody else there but me and Whaleyland right now).
I would also ask you about the headers of British parliaments you have changed. It is an interesting addition to add the years, sure, but it generates issues of consistency (no other headers have years in them), redundancy (I believe the names are clear enough, and there is always the link to the respective parliament), and appearance (it ruins the impression of a simple title). In addition, we might end up with situations like one where it would look to someone unacquainted with British history or the British political system as if there was a United Kingdom parliament from 1801 to this day and another before that. The years really do create the impression of categorisation of some sort. Are they really necessary? Waltham, The Duke of 15:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I recently raised, on the Talk Page of Flag of Ireland, the issue that I believed the title of the page to be a falshood because Ireland is an island and the flag is not legally representative of all of it. I felt the title of the page should be titled Flag of the Irish Republic or Flag of Eire. As a result of this obvious unacceptable comment (and I cannot see it in any other light - it is the sort of thing Vintagekits and One Night in Hackney.303 always did) two articles I have worked on have been flagged up as sourceless by User:Domer48, another Irish Nationalist it seems, when I have cited exemplary sources in the references at the bottom of Patrick Maitland, 17th Earl of Lauderdale and Thomas Wentworth, 1st Earl of Strafford. This sort of vieled bullying really is unacceptable. Can you help? David Lauder 10:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry folks, I don't feel in the mood to get involved. You may want to seek mediation or to raise the issues at WP:ANI. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion your speedy closure was a breach of process committed in bad faith because you did not expect to be able to prevail by argument. And this is not the first time you have cynically abused due process. Haddiscoe 13:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello, BrownHairedGirl:
Thank you for your having reverted the deletion of the 'Feminist Wikipedian' category, and for your excellent work in stopping categories being deleted by officious schmucks out of process. I really hate this spurious stealth action; it is enough to drive one away! The official categories for deletion process is little better, considering that it is the same few hell-bent people who, following the rules of Wikipedia pages rather than Wikipedia user pages, nearly exclusively nominate and vote on everything, without the input of those who use the categories that they propose to delete, but at least it gives some sort of show of consensus, I suppose.
Best wishes,
-- It's-is-not-a-genitive 12:11, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Your latest comments on my talk page confirm that it is quite right to have no confidence in your impartiality. You say that you did not participate in the debate which you closed, but what you did was to speedy close a debate on the grounds of a previous discussion on the same topic in which you did participate! Haddiscoe 23:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone suggested that I may haver mistaken the categories involved there. Thanks for fixing it. -- Tony Sidaway 23:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
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I've left a statement at User talk:Pastorwayne which involved your previous comments, and which you may be interested in. - jc37 01:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I'm sure you'll know what category she should go in. Thkx Johnbod 02:34, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok - found it now. Johnbod 03:05, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
See User talk:Pastorwayne#It's time for more information, and to comment if you wish. (Posting this here, because it seems all who are interested in this also watch this talk page, essentially sparing myself spamming everyone interested.)- jc37 00:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I would also suggest the following:
My best guess at this point is that Pastorwayne is grossly incompetent in terms of being able to use Wikipedia's category system. He seems to be capable of providing referenced biographical information on articles about religion; I would prefer to see him focus his efforts on that instead. Dr. Submillimeter 08:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for that note. I have blocked him again. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
He's not happy. See User talk:Pastorwayne#Are_You_Guys_DONE.3F. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 19:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Wow, that's positively nasty. Sorry I wasn't around this weekend for such issues. I fully concur with your block on Mais Oui *; other than that, we may want to consider protecting the CFD/W page. I should note that MO has also been canvassing on a dozen or so editor talk pages.
* actually I had been meaning to nom you for adminship one of these days, but I should have known that someone would have beaten me to that already
With respect to secularism, that is indeed a misunderstanding; since the section header for that CFD was "category:secularism", I interpreted that as the scope of the CFD as well. I see it has already been restored.
Happy editing! Let's go egrem some stuff :) >Radiant< 13:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Could you help me to move the following pages, as I'm unable to do it myself due to the redirects
I don't believe that any of those changes would be controversial. The current names are inaccurate, counties are only added as prefixes or suffixes when the constituency is identified by a compass point e.g. South Antrim, West Down. Furthermore, Bannside is a compound noun i.e. it is not two words. Additionally google [1] [2] shows up the references as I have described, not the inaccurate ones [3] [4] Thanks, Valenciano 16:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi there. I was reading through some recent DRVs, and I noticed Category:Flags of Nepal had the deletion discussion pages listed. I tracked the problem down to use of the 'la' template instead of the 'lc' template. I think you used the 'la' template with this edit. I changed it with this edit. Hope that helps. Carcharoth 16:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi BHG. I'm sorry that you're needed again at this dispute. David Lauder has just reverted everything on the expiry of the cooling off period, without agreeing this with all of us on the talk page. I'm sorry to waste your time with this, but I hope that you might be able to get DL to work towards a compromise, where I can't. Kittybrewster had a helpful suggestion for a quick resolution to the issue, namely that a third party writes a new version of the article. I think this could work, provided DL & I both undertake to limit ourselves to, say, two rounds of comments before accepting the final version. Would you be prepared to accept this role, if David agrees? Alci12 & Choess have been suggested as possible intermediaries. Tyrenius might be another possibility. Christina Kaye 21:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Fully agree with BHG's last comments. I reverted to the previous carefull summary which was as close to a neutral edit as I could manage. I am merely restating established facts (not opinions). Christina Kaye is clearly pushing what appears to be a personal issue here. I would be happy for another admin to look at the article but would ask that until then my shorter concise summary remain in situ. David Lauder 08:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Oops. Well, changes from singular to plural and back are speedies, anyway. >Radiant< 07:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I just closed your nomination from May 26 Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_May_26#By-year_subcats_of_Category:Transportation_disasters_by_year as a keep (I personally thought the nomination was a great idea, but apparently we're in the minority). I was wondering if, due to the sheer number of categories, you'd be able to go back through and de-tag them. I could just use rollback, but that's only supposed to be for vandalism. Thanks. -- Kbdank71 02:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Pastorwayne created Category:Wikipedians who listen to Glad. This is clearly in defiance of the request that he stop creating categories. Please block him. (I also informed User:Jc37.) Dr. Submillimeter 12:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Ok I left a note on his talk page. He essentially has a choice, either enter a discussion about the policies in question, and show his knowledge, or be blocked the next time he makes an edit to category space. There's no longer any middle ground. By ignoring the latest posts, in which I directly explained that ignoring posts may lead to actions based on lack of information, and may be seen as "bad faith", and further by editing categories, (though I think we can ignore the userbox one as "something different", and nearly "off-topic", I think it is notable just as Dr. Submillimeter noted above), he could very easily be seen as "gaming the system", as BHG notes above. My latest post confronts that directly. Either he's gaming the system or not. The results of his next contributions will either be: he'll answer and a postive productive discussion will hopefully start (eventually); he'll edit something else (and eventually have to enter that discussion if he ever wants to edit in category space); or, if he edits category space in any way, he'll be blocked.
I have a request, though. While I have no problem presuming good discernment from BrownHairedGirl concerning this, please don't block him today/tomorrow. For several reasons (which I'm sure you understand). As you know, I prefer to WP:AGF, but I think we're nearly down to the last paragraph of that page in regards to pastorwayne. What he does today/tomorrow may very likely frame his future editing with Wikipedia. - jc37 10:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
all contribs made by User:Derbyborn all of which are spam. - Kittybrewster (talk) 22:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
(Crossposted to assorted "people I've run into and whose opinions I respect")
I realise it's totally outside your field, but if you get the chance could you take a look at the article on Broadwater Farm I've recently created? I do think it deserves it's own article - yes, it might be most famous for events that happened 22 years ago, but having it as a redirect to Broadwater Farm riot seems to me as ludicrous as redirecting Germany to World War II or Northern Ireland to IRA. However, now I've set up incoming links it's likely to be a beacon for POV-pushing, so I'd like to get opinions on (a) what a NPOV will be on something like this where the two POVs are likely to be diametric opposites, (b) whether you think it can/will ever be stable (and whether it's worth trying to keep stable) and (c) how much of a focus ought to be on the riots as opposed to the place itself. If any of you feel the urge I'd also appreciate anyone who feels able/willing putting it on their watchlists, as I suspect it's going to be heavily vandalised & spammed — iridescenti (talk to me!) 00:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
After the CfD closing for Category:Current British MPs, Mais oui! has tagged every single category of MPs by Parliament for speedy deletion. The CfD did not cover these categories and I am reverting this addition. If you're available, can you help? Sam Blacketer 20:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
BrownHairedGirl: I'm afraid I've become addicted to categories recently, especially in conjunction with Fraternities and sororities; see my edit history for some proof. You created the category of Category:Lists of chapters or members of United States student societies, which I think is a great idea. I have some questions which I would like your advice on...
I am thinking of creating further sub-cats, perhaps "fraternity chapter lists" and "fraternity member lists" (with better names, of course). What do you think? Also, I am trying to think if a page such as List of Chi Phi chapters needs both of the categories that it has: is the NIC category really necessary, or does it only really apply to the main Chi Phi page?
Thank you for paying attention to my incessant ramblings and all your hard work in the CfD pages. — Scouter Sig 03:39, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi again, hope to change your mind on this one; my view it's got to go. Have a look at my resp to yours. Cheers again. Carlossuarez46 17:04, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
This messege here is canvassing per WP:CANVAS not just because it is delivered to a non neutral audience but mainly because the messege is not neutral since he shows his view that "it is notable". Now this guy has had many warnings for canvassing but now that be blanks his page no admin can see the previous warnings. Now I for one think that if an editor chooses to blank/hide his history then they should already be treated with suspicion and especially if they have already recieved warnings. What course of action should/can be taken!? -- Vintagekits 12:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
In cleaning up Pastorwayne's category mess, I have encountered another technique for gaming the system by Pastorwayne. He has been creating short, unreferenced stubs on bishops that appear to be copied from external website but with the text altered to identify the person as a "primate". He then creates a category (or several categories) to contain the one individual. The article appears to be created to justify creating a category with the word "primate", not to really inform anyone.
This is very bad. The new articles are never referenced, and they misinform readers. Pastorwayne was doing this back in early May. Since he is heavily discouraged from creating categories, maybe he will not do this anymore. Still, it's something to be watched for in the future. Dr. Submillimeter 10:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
One problem is that he's presuming that anyone called a bishop or patriarch must be called a primate, which isn't necessarily true. And in several of the cases in which it may be true, at least as a synonym, it's nowhere near the most common name. (Which is also a problem with many of the extensive titles used as category names. Consider if we were to list the full titles of the Queen of England or even the Prince of Wales... - jc37 01:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Please. I am not sure what the problem is with Vintagekits but just look at what he is saying here Talk:Andrew Hunter Arbuthnot Murray. Frankly its beyond belief, and I can only think that he is targetting this because the fellow has Arbuthnot as a third Christian name!! If this fellow is not notable then probably most others on WP arn't either! David Lauder 11:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I don't know if you've followed this, but the only guy who (apparently) cares about this page finally woke up after a couple of weeks and declared he was hurt that it should have been deleted etc. etc. I'm not sure if I can be bothered putting it up for AfD, but do you have any thoughts? -- jbmurray ( talk| contribs) 18:16, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Remember User:Burkem? I think he has a new sockpuppet. See Special:Contributions/Lineage. Lineage is editing the same articles and adding some succession boxes like Burkem. Making unreferenced changes. What do you think? — ERcheck ( talk) 23:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
This has been recreated (cfd on Jan 1st - it's mentioned in Dr S's piece on PW). Is there some procedure? -- roundhouse0 01:44, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Please see my reply here. Greetz, Frendraught 09:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Just one question: Was this a result of an action he took, or his single response on his talk page, or something else? - jc37 11:43, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
At this point, I think it would be best for everybody if he was indefinitely blocked. He is clearly not going to be happy here, and no one is going to be happy with him. He also has too much potential to be disruptive in the future. I myself no longer trust any of the edits that he makes to any articles. Dr. Submillimeter 13:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
In this edit, PW removed an older block notice from his talk page. My understanding is that he has no right to delete warnings from his talk page. At this point, I am tired of him acting like a jerk and then making up lies and excuses for his disruptive behavior. Just leave him blocked indefinitely or get a community ban on him. Dr. Submillimeter 20:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi there! There's some debate on WT:CFD regarding the format of the {{ cfd2}} and related templates. As a regular CFD closer you might be interested as well. Happy editing, >Radiant< 17:07, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
It's getting worse: see Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion#Aaaargh.21. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:28, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi I just clicked on your name at random from the admin list. first of all I want to thank you for your contribution to WP, I think the difference you guys make to humanity is up there with the best scientists.
anyhow I'm wondering if you can (or should) do something about a certain prolific user ( User:Ultramarine). first let me declare that i'm totally biased cause i don't like his politics and through my encounters with him have grown to deslike him, also I can't throw the firt stone cause i have sometimes put my own views before whats best for wikipedia, but I do try to control myself and give up pretty quick if my contribution is rejected by others.
BUT
I'm coming to you because I think you or someone with... (cartmen voice) "authoritei" should really keep an eye on this guy and make sure he's not doing mischief. As i see it (please take a look at his extensive record yourself), he has a pattern. he selects an article starts changing it bit by bit until it pretty much reflects his own disturbed ideology "US/capitalist domination of the world is god's will for mankind" then if no one notices he'll sit back and attack newbies who stumble on to the article and try to edit out the bias. he'll revert, threaten, throw fictitous and nonfictitious wikiLaws at them till they get frustrated or scared and leave him to guard his property... (this is how i crossed paths with him as a few years ago when i tried to make my very first edit), If an article he targets is already being watched by someone who isn't a newbie, he'll just slow down his edits (he spends a significant portion of his waking life on WP, check his edits) he'll argue adnausium with the more experienced contriobutors all the while always slowly changing what is there, until they (having a life) realise they can't fight someone who is so dedicated to his crusade and eventually give up and leave him to take full control of the article.
The fact that one person could control the content of fundamentally important political articles online (that are pretty much the first exposure ALOT of kids will have to such concepts) is bad enough... that, that person is an ideological anti-social wierdo is so bad that it forces me (believe me i tried to ignore it and not to let it bother me) to take an hour to write to you so that maybe you can atleast have a look at what he does, and I don't have to feel guilty for not reporting his behavior.
thanks Bye Esmehwp 04:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the barnstar. Dr. Submillimeter 12:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I regret that your attempts at some sort of mediation have been futile as User:Christina Kaye is back again pushing a falsehood (see again George Home, 1st Earl of Dunbar) ignoring the endless sources I have produced on the subject, sweeping aside all logical conclusions, and now cites the remarks (only) in G.E.C's Complete Peerage as "the Crown recognises/accepts" which is just untrue. The Crown has done nothing of the sort. We either have a real encyclopaedia here or we do not. POV is supposed to be outlawed on Wiki. A claim has never been successful in this matter and it is an accepted fact by every expert that the destination of the titles was not set down and because of that the titles are extinct. Many writers say 'dormant' when they mean 'extinct' and in this case it cannot be 'dormant' because there is no destination. I do not propose to enter into an edit war on this but I believe that she is pushing a POV here that does not concur with reality. I have produced pages of explanation and umpteen sources to no avail. David Lauder 20:15, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Reply. Sorry that I have been slow to respond on this one: I have to confess that I rather dread seeing this issue pop up again. Having looked at it all, it does appear to me that David Lauder is right not to give undue weight to the minority view of the fate of these titles; but but but this is not really my field. I am not familiar enough with the sources to make as thprough an assessment of their relative merits as I feel is needed, nor do I have the text of the relevant entries.
You are both very enthusiastic editors, and I really would like to find some way of helping you to settle this argument ... but I don't think that I am the best person to do help. I would strongly encourage you both to file a request for mediation: I think that a more experienced mediator than me would be helpful. Good luck! --23:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Please see the posts on the Talk Pages for Vintagekits and One Night in hackney (see below). They are disturbing and worrying. Here is the current one on VK's page: "Hi Vintagekits. Per the administrators closing judgement on Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/John_Arbuthnot,_6th_Viscount_of_Arbuthnott you don't need to be bother with afds for the clearly non notable peers/Baronets, just redirect them to the relevant Baronetage/Peerage page. Gustav von Humpelschmumpel". David Lauder 07:30, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
For all the accusations on this page alone of editors going over the top I think Giano's rant probably exceeds them. There has been a small group of people running around flagging up and deliberately taking a negative part in AfDs on aristocrats, using whatever reasons they can dream up. Even when often clearly notable they claim they are not. It would be pointless denying this. I don't know anyone who "hero-worships" aristocrats (baronets, by the way, are regarded as part of the titled aristocacy, like it or not) any more than I know those who hero-worship footballers, cricketers or pop stars. I am reporting here on an admin's page notices I came across which clearly stated that because one single AfD was successful that somehow that can be taken as carte blanche to avoid using the AfD system to eliminate articles. I believe this to be wrong. Thats all. David Lauder 09:00, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Reply, Listen folks, there seems to be a group of editors here who find it easy to take offence and also seem to cause a fair bit of offence. I don't see anything here sufficiently outrageous to require admin intervention, but i do see several people who could benefit from re-reading WP:CIVIL and WP:CHILL. If you feel that I have missed something serious here, please take the problem to WP:ANI ... but please could y'all consider the merits of a thick skin and a restrained tongue? Thanks! --22:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Do you want to take a look at these contribs please? I first spotted Category:Sri Lanka lawyers and Category:Sri Lankan lawyers, but I'd rather not delve into the depths and see what should be merged into what and you tend to have a much better handle on these things than me. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 303 18:34, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:Overcategorization#Duplicate_categories. Any thoughts? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:56, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Just curious—why did you mark the category for deletion/discussion when there wasn't a section on the project page? I'm really not in the caring mood right now to defend any sort of user category, so don't take this as a plea to stop; I'd just like to know that if it is really intended for the trash bin, where the discussion is taking place, and if there is no discussion why the template was put on the category's page. (: Bl a st [ improve me 16.06.07 2327 (UTC)
Someone suggested that I may haver mistaken the categories involved there. Thanks for fixing it. -- Tony Sidaway 23:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I seem to be have trouble with a sock puppet of this banned editor called Accuracy in Reporting. Can you do a checkuser on this.-- Vintagekits 21:40, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi BrownHairedGirl,
I'm an Australian Research Student who is researching Wikipedia for my thesis. As part of this I'm interviewing many Wikipedians about their experiences and views-and I'd love to interview you (via email) if you're interested.
I notice that you've been an active member for quite a while, so I'm sure you'd have a lot of insights and experiences that would be very interesting! In addition, it's been hard to find many active women (I'm trying to get a balanced sample of interviewees) so if you're interested it'd be great :-)
All the research has been approved by the uni's ethics committee, and of course you can remain anonymous. As the interviews are by email you can take your own time to answer, so it shouldn't interfere with your day to day life too much.
If you're interested please let me know on either my talk page or by email, and I can give you the full details of the project and what it would involve.
Hope to hear from you, tamsin 02:42, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Yep, the old version does look better. On an semi-related note, I'm tempted to protect all of these as high-risk templates; I believe most deletion-related templates are protected for the same reason. What is your opinion on that? >Radiant< 12:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia_talk:Overcategorization#Expand_this_guideline_to_lists. Bulldog123 16:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi - I agree in principle with your proposed renamings, and it would be good to tidy the category up. However, I've been working on placing the (UK) disambiguator immediately after the party name, to mirror the article title and to make it clear that we are disambiguating the party name, not categorising UK members of a party which is active internationally. Do you think that is a useful distinction?
I also wondered if you'd seen Category:UK Liberal Unionist politicians, Category:UK Socialist Workers Party members, Category:UK Workers Revolutionary Party members and Category:UK Whig politicians, the remaining categories to use this format? Category:UK independent politicians might also need some thinking about, while Category:Scottish National Party (SNP) politicians suffers from the same issue as the SDP politicians category. Warofdreams talk 17:14, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
BHG this category and all similar cats were deleted a few days ago. Now removal of this and similar cats was discussed three months ago and the result was a very definate KEEP. There has been no further discussion as far as I can tell yet all these cats apart from Category:Communist Wikipedians have been removed. Could you check if this removal has followed the right procedure and more importantly is it a legitimate removal? Thanks Galloglass 13:38, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the links. I have posted at User talk:Dmcdevit#Category:Libertarian_socialist_Wikipedians asking for an explanation of what speedy deletion criteria apply. Unless there is a satisfactory answer, I think that I will restore them. I really don't like the idea of an admin making their own decisions about what should be deleted outside of the agreed criteria. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
As you noted here, User:Dmcdevit deleted several categories out of process. One you've missed is Category: Wikipedians who are skeptical of anthropogenic global warming, which he deleted. Not only did this survive a previous AfD, but this deletion was completely without due process and an improper speedy delete. I was going to list it on deletion review but I figured since you already apparently undid several of his other deletes you could undo this one as well and save me the trouble. Please respond on my talk page with whatever you decide to do. Thanks, Oren0 10:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
I am taken aback right now. I just replied to your query politely explaining my deletions and offering to discuss any that you disagreed with individually. Your response was to refuse such discussion and unilaterally restore them all without any consensus or discussion. I consider this 1) extremely disrespectful to myself as an administrator, that you feel I can simply be reverted without even an attempt at talking it out with me first, 2) an irresponsible act of wheel warring ("Do not repeat an administrative action when you know that another administrator opposes it." Original emphasis.), and 3) a stunning display of wikilawyering to the harm of the project. If you don't truly disagree with a deletion, and even lean towards deleting them, restoring them for the sake of a process is simply disruption. Please revert yourself and lets talk about this, instead of just warring. Dmcdevit· t 10:37, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Let me try to be straightforward. Do you still think that summarily reversing all the deletions without discussion was acceptable? You never answered my question about what process you are claiming justifies such an action (as opposed to the ones that justify you listing deletions that you disagree with, and even then the first instruction at WP:DRV#Purpose is "Deletion Review is to be used where someone is unable to resolve the issue in discussion with the administrator (or other editor) in question.")? Dmcdevit· t 19:57, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
This is getting silly. You've said your say, I've said mine, so unless you want to take it to WP:ANI, please drop it. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:22, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Guys, let's please be nice. Dmcdevit is just as much a valued editor as anyone. He simply feels that he is and has been (I presume) been acting properly as an admin in these actions. What we have is a difference of opinion about whether process ( speedy or otherwise) should have been followed in this case, or if admins have free subjective authority to speedy delete as they subjectively determine. (And it seems to be digressing into an argument of "who kicked who first".) Since there is a disagreement, of course, feel free to discuss this topic, but please let's stay civil. Since he sincerely wishes to discuss the content of the categories deleted, I might suggest that he, and everyone commenting here is, obviously, welcome to comment there about the content, and for the broader forum. - jc37 11:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Just a general query really BHG. In the discussion at WP:UCFD#User_categories_deleted_out_of_process Picaroon deleted another users comments completely as offensive and a personal insult. However having read the deleted contribution carefully several times I can find no personal insult in any of it and while the language was rather strong it was within the bounds of normal debate. Could you tell me if Picaroon was entitled to remove completely this persons contribution from the discussion? Thanks. Galloglass 14:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
User:Dmcdevit has lodged a (very misleading) complaint about both of us at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Pages_stuck_in_bureaucratic.2C_wheel-warring_purgatory (no, I wasn't notified either). It's quite staggering: someone busy making out-of-process deletions despite repeated objections, lodges a complaint against the people who to try to use the procedures. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 10:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
(reply moved to User_talk:KuatofKDY#s-gov_broken, to keep discussion in one place). -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:52, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
BOTREQ is not a vote please do not use the support/oppose style there. its a discussion please treat it as such. Betacommand ( talk • contribs • Bot) 17:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Those request are normally handled fairly simply by either ignoring them or doing what MBAA did. Betacommand ( talk • contribs • Bot) 18:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I am curious as to whether there are any plans to review edits made by this user (Lineage), who has recently been blocked as a "sockpuppet" (good name, I must admit) of Burkem/Burkem22. I am asking because I have noted, in the past few minutes, questionable edits with regards to Charles the Younger and certain other major figures of the early Frankish kingdoms. For example:
(All this is on just that page!) Also, I noticed that a lot of his changes appear to coincide with the erroneous changes previously made by Burkem/Burkem 22. -- Narchibald84 02:05, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm a bit disappointed at this deletion. In particular since it happened without anyone letting me know (since I created the category) that it was up for deletion I had no opportunity to comment, or to invite the WikiProject on Heraldry to comment. And the deletion occurred in the space of two days! In fact the category was populated only by people whose arms were actually shown on their page, so there is no question of unverifiability. Populating the category took some time and effort, too. And being armigerous is not the same as being noble. It does not seem to me that this deletion was the right thing to do, or that it was done according to a fair procedure. -- Evertype· ✆ 18:09, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Funny how I should stumble on you again. Anyway, this is irrelevant from the s-gov controversy (if I may term it so).
I see that you have protected Template:S-par, something that I agree with. However, I must now ask you to edit it, as I cannot do that myself anymore.
The thing is, four of the parameters for U.S. state and territory legislatures do not match with the formal postal abbreviations, something which I believe (and Whaleyland agrees) will confuse a lot of people. I thus request that you change Connecticut parameters to "ct" (from "cn"), Kansas parameters to "ks" (from "ka"), Kentucky parameters to "ky" (from "kt"), and Northern Marianna Islands parameters to "mp" (from "cnmi"), so that they will all match with the official abbreviations. Also, please move the insular parameter lines to their correct places so that the list can be alphabetical (by name, not by abbreviation).
Also, I would like to hear your opinion about our proposed guideline on bicameral parliaments' templates (as demonstrated in our /Guidelines draft). That is, {{s-par|country abbreviation(-subnational entity abbreviation)(-upr/lwr)}}, where upr stands for "Upper house" and lwr for "Lower house" (you add nothing if the parliament is unicameral). Waltham, The Duke of 17:02, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
{{ Rayment-hc}} - Kittybrewster (talk) 13:02, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
Now that Pastorwayne's category creation has stopped and most of the redundant primate categories have been deleted or merged into other categories, it may be worth attempting to clean up all of the categories on religious leaders, including Category:Primates (religion), Category:Bishops, Category:Church patriarchs, and Category:Christian religious leaders. Should we start a discussion at Category Talk:Christian religious leaders? Dr. Submillimeter 14:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Just in relation to your revert on the list of Tory MPs elected in 2005 - is there a form? Reading the intro, I wasn't going to remove him, but then I noticed Clare Short and Piara Khabra have been removed from the corresponding list of Labour MPs elected in 2005, so followed that precedent. Could you have a look at that? -- Gregg 00:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Is there a reason you decided to do a speedy keep of this category? First of all, it was not under discussion for several months. Second of all, you're a non-administrator, and not entitled to do a speedy keep. Third of all, you removed someone else's comment. Please don't do it again. The Evil Spartan 18:20, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey, as I'm sorta new around here and don't know who to ask. I had begun doing some work on notable Methodist ministers and was trucking right along when Pastor Wayne added a header to the talk pages and basically laid claim to the pages. Is it OK if I work on those pages? Does he now "own" them? If he's been banned, can those headers be removed? Thanks, I don't know the protocol for all this. Reverend Mommy 22:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)candlemb
Hi BHG - {{ England-peer-stub}} has been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The category ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Peerage of England stubs was deliberately created as a "parent-only" type, since all the stubs within it are likely to be covered by one of its subcategories. As such, there isn't really any need for a separate template. Grutness... wha? 02:28, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment; I'm now hoping to get the results complete. Also, thanks for moving the 1982 by-election article to a better title. Warofdreams talk 21:25, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey...you might want to look here [8], as I found something a tad troubling and reverted it. Let me know if I did this in error. Thanks, Kukini hablame aqui 01:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello again. I have noticed your unfortunate absence from the SBS's talk page. I am sure you must have a lot of things to do, but we still need your opinion on several matters, not only because you are an administrator (and can thus advise on proper procedure, do a few changes to protected templates, and help in a multitude of ways), but also because we need a third opinion (I believe I have impressed upon you countless times that there is nobody else there but me and Whaleyland right now).
I would also ask you about the headers of British parliaments you have changed. It is an interesting addition to add the years, sure, but it generates issues of consistency (no other headers have years in them), redundancy (I believe the names are clear enough, and there is always the link to the respective parliament), and appearance (it ruins the impression of a simple title). In addition, we might end up with situations like one where it would look to someone unacquainted with British history or the British political system as if there was a United Kingdom parliament from 1801 to this day and another before that. The years really do create the impression of categorisation of some sort. Are they really necessary? Waltham, The Duke of 15:46, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
I recently raised, on the Talk Page of Flag of Ireland, the issue that I believed the title of the page to be a falshood because Ireland is an island and the flag is not legally representative of all of it. I felt the title of the page should be titled Flag of the Irish Republic or Flag of Eire. As a result of this obvious unacceptable comment (and I cannot see it in any other light - it is the sort of thing Vintagekits and One Night in Hackney.303 always did) two articles I have worked on have been flagged up as sourceless by User:Domer48, another Irish Nationalist it seems, when I have cited exemplary sources in the references at the bottom of Patrick Maitland, 17th Earl of Lauderdale and Thomas Wentworth, 1st Earl of Strafford. This sort of vieled bullying really is unacceptable. Can you help? David Lauder 10:24, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Sorry folks, I don't feel in the mood to get involved. You may want to seek mediation or to raise the issues at WP:ANI. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:30, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
In my opinion your speedy closure was a breach of process committed in bad faith because you did not expect to be able to prevail by argument. And this is not the first time you have cynically abused due process. Haddiscoe 13:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello, BrownHairedGirl:
Thank you for your having reverted the deletion of the 'Feminist Wikipedian' category, and for your excellent work in stopping categories being deleted by officious schmucks out of process. I really hate this spurious stealth action; it is enough to drive one away! The official categories for deletion process is little better, considering that it is the same few hell-bent people who, following the rules of Wikipedia pages rather than Wikipedia user pages, nearly exclusively nominate and vote on everything, without the input of those who use the categories that they propose to delete, but at least it gives some sort of show of consensus, I suppose.
Best wishes,
-- It's-is-not-a-genitive 12:11, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Your latest comments on my talk page confirm that it is quite right to have no confidence in your impartiality. You say that you did not participate in the debate which you closed, but what you did was to speedy close a debate on the grounds of a previous discussion on the same topic in which you did participate! Haddiscoe 23:36, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Someone suggested that I may haver mistaken the categories involved there. Thanks for fixing it. -- Tony Sidaway 23:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)