You seem to be under the impression I am simply nominating articles for deletion because they match *kurd* string. This has no connection to reality. Number of nominations are merely directly proportional to the number of creations. My nominations are strictly based on WP:CAT, WP:OC, WP:V and WP:NPOV. CfDs should be discussed based on the topic at hand not based on the nominator. As per WP:NPA, I ask you not discuss the contributor. If you feel that my edits are disruptive, please take it to WP:ANB/I or involve dispute resolution. -- Cat chi? 19:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Wasserman
I was surprised to read at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 23#Category:Anti-Judaism the following comment from you:
I have replied on the CfD discussion, and I'd be delighted to see a substantive response to my more detailed explanation of the problems I perceive with the category. However, the reason I am leaving a message here is that you have made a serious allegation, viz that I am engaged in ballot-stuffing: I would be grateful if you would either substantiate that allegation or withdraw it. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
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Right, that's better. I refer to this previous posting on your talk page, now in your archive, and which was addressed to Vintagekits:
We now have this AfD, which follows further considerable discussion by this editor on a related previous AfD.
I have left my own comments, which speak for themselves and refer to yet another bone of contention, being a recent discussion on the terms 'killing' and 'murder' here.
I do nothing more than bring the matter to your attention. Res ipsa loquitur. -- Major Bonkers (talk) 15:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Good work nominating the elections by year categories, hopefully we can set a better naming convention :) What do you think about Category:Elections in Europe, 2007? I'd be tempted to delete it as an unnecessary subdivision, particularly as we are heading towards diving all elections by year up by country? Tim! 10:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I'm posting this boilerplate message to everyone who commented at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 22#Category:Khaleeji female singers. I've added some comments on the WP:MUSICIANS project position, as requested, plus a few observations of my own (such as the fact that Khaleeji appears to be a dialect, not a language), and some or all of those might affect your position in that debate. Xtifr tälk 13:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
In reference to the discussion about the Bonesman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_26#Category:Bonesmen
I agree that this article should remain as the Skull and Bones for the name of the article. - Signaleer 08:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi BownHairedGirl: Please see my concerns at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#User:Wasserman. Thank you, IZAK 13:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do not unnecessarily populate this category. The category is useless - is does not provide any required categorization. If you look at all other martial arts, none use this scheme of "martial art by nationality". Basically, Category:Kickboxers is a listing of kickboxers by nationality. The two categories you added Category:Kickboxers by nationality in already breaks down kickboxers by nationality. Take a look at all other martial arts and the overall hierarchy before making any additional changes. This category really should be deleted. -- Scott Alter 01:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Burkem22 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), who's now launched into some mad fantasia wherein the de Burghs were "Kings of Ireland". If you can reblock, hopefully in a few days I can start cleaning up the nonsense. Choess 04:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated List of Jewish United States Supreme Court justices, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that List of Jewish United States Supreme Court justices satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also " What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish United States Supreme Court justices and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of List of Jewish United States Supreme Court justices during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. IZAK 14:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, please: you still misunderstand the basic point that a list is not a category (see Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes for a more detailed explanation), and that far from CfD being inherently about deleting information, the fact is that "preserving the information" is frequently an explicit goal of CfDs. (Of course there are CfDs where the aim is to resmove the information, but those are actually very rare). The reasons why categories are deleted is many and varied, but it to understand this situation it is essential to remember categories have a different purpose to lists (see Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes again). One o the most common objectives is to avoid category clutter, so the practise at CfD is to retain only categories which are both useful to navigation and which record defining attributes of the articles concerned. It is very common for categories to be deleted when lists are retained, but once the category is deleted, the info is irretrievably gone unless a list has been made already: there is an undelete facility for articles and lists, but once a category is emptied, that's it. If a list is created, it can still be deleted; but if it is not created, it's a pain-in-the-neck to recreate it. In this case, I am neutral about the merits of the list, and my intention was simply not to see it disappear by default: I have no problem with a decision under due process to delete the list, but a CfD decision is not a default decision to remove a list. If you look at CfD debates, the existence of a list is frequently cited as an alternative to the category to allow the information to be preserved. Here are some examples:
I could list plenty more such CfDs, but the point is well made at AfD by A Musing: there are some categories which are collections of information that ought to be deleted, but each case has to betaken on its merits. I have so far seen nothing at the CfD to suggest that this was info which as not appropriate for wikipedia, and despite repeated requests you yourself have chosen not explain why you think it is inappropriate. You would do well to re-read the CFD. You will see there that I explicitly stated that I had created the list, and you will see that no-one else had any objection to it, and that at least one editor explicitly cited the existence of the list as assisting their desire to delete the category.
I have tried repeatedly to explain why I did what I did in accordance with my understanding of what CfD procedure is, and I hope that you can at the very least acknowledge that this was done in good faith, and not as part of some attempt to counter the CfD. I think that you have made an honest mistake in misunderstanding the purpose and practise of CfD, but even if you had been right in your understanding of CFD, there was no need to launch into and defend allegations of trying to subvert process. IZAK, you are hard-working editor, and you clearly have strong views about the merits of lists and categories of Jewish people. I'm not sure whether I agree with those reasons, but I don't doubt that they are honourable ... but as you'll see from the CfD, the lack of civility noted by several editors is hindering your chances of removing the article. I want to hear the substantive (rather than procedural) case for removing it, but I'm still waiting. I assume good faith and presume that you have such a case: rather than stretching my good faith, why not just set out those reasons? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 18:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed you closed the debate on the
Marx Brothers category. I found your decision surprising. I did read the previous debate and considered the arguments presented and its place within the category system, I concluded a keep result was inevitable. It was at best, as you said, a case of no consensus 'no consensus' on that discussion; this included a comment that the category was depopulated and consideration was therefore difficult [accord] so soon after previous debates. The nominator did not give a clear reason for deletion and gave no chance for the category to be restored. The insubstantial reasons given are based on poor analogies to other categories and a seeming ignorance of the subject's notability. The user seems to feel a family name is the basis for deletion and his userpage verges on the macabre. Can I suggest take a little time to reconsider your action on this matter. Thanks.
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Thanks for your explanation. My apologies for a poorly worded paraphrasing of your term. I meant to suggest that I thought the verdict was no consensus, sorry about that. I will try to address your comments in order. It seems to me that the substance of the keep argument, presented by editors who claimed an interest in the category, was that it contained a large number of articles and was useful. I believe the template is evidence of a complex of articles, but this only links within the complex and not to the rest of our document. Any article within the cat would be closely associated with the subject, I can not see overcategorisation as a problem. The reasons for keeping categories need not be given if they are shown to be useful, presumably these are familiar to to the debate's closer. These were also given at the nomination to overturn, a more clearcut discussion. IMHO, problems of miscategorisation should occur at the article to be included, that is where the edit is made (or reverted). A sizable group of meaningfully linked articles would be the definition of a category, I suspect keep supporters thought of it this way; people would want to use it and were baffled that it had been proposed for deletion. Large size is a reason to keep, if the links are valid and meaningful; it is a reason to split it.
Whether or not CfD keeps eponymous categories is the subject for another discussion, I would suppose that many passing through the process are well deserving of deletion. WP:OC softens the blow for family historians and the celebrity obsessed, I imagine. The nominator, when discussing the exception, happened to give the reason to keep it and pointed out a reason to delete the Category:Marx Brothers (film series), as per your "test". Otto was right, he has been doing a lot of the other nominating (and indulging in a bit of the old ad hominem). Pointing out that this cat does not include the other works or themselves is academic, I suppose, as I imagine it will be deleted by the same (misapplied?) criteria. Any 'navigational (or other) requirements will be lost, it only clinches the demise of anty categorisation of the subject. I fear that it is being deleted by misapplication of guidelines designed to rid wikipedia of meaningless or superfluous categories - these are both harmless and useful. I admire your effort in finding substance amid comments regarding Karl Marx being categorised and other meanderings off topic, but I think you have overlooked the subjects relevance to the exceptions of the general rule. I'm glad we agree about the need for documentation of category members before deletion. Given the potential for loss of information, perhaps some whiz could make a bot part of the process - at least above the speedy delete process. There are some tricks for recovering this information, so I am told anyway. BTW, this was not a step in a WP:DRV process, I merely wanted an exchange of views. There is a famous quote by Groucho about clubs and members, so I doubt he is turning in his grave over this :-) Regards ☻ Fred| ☝ discussion| ✍ contributions 20:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jc37, I was very surprised to see that you had closed Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 24#Category:Jewish_United_States_Supreme_Court_justices as a "keep". Are you sure that was what you intended to do?
Counting !votes, I see 10 to upmerge or delete, and one to listify; there are five delete !votes. So on a simple headcount, there is a clear supermajority to remove the category, with upmerger as the preferred destination.
Your explanation was puzzling: "The consensus seems to be that Category:Jewish American jurists is a valid category. (The many Keep/UpMerge comments, among others.)"
First, were discussing Category:Jewish United States Supreme Court justices rather than Category:Jewish American jurists, so the merits of the former category are largely a separate issue. And secondly, I don't see what led you to consider the upmerge votes as being akin to a keep.
Please can you explain this? Thanks! -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Or is it articles for deletion, 2007...
I note your change of category for Irish general election, 2007 placing it in Category:2007 elections in Europe instead of Category:Elections in Europe, 2007. The two phrases have completely different English language meanings; the former meaning over 2000 elections, and the latter meaning elections in the year 2007. I fail to see how it makes any sense whatsoever to rename to use such an incorrect phrasing.
Any chance we could use proper English at Wikipedia for once? -- zoney ♣ talk 23:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
You seems a nice person, LOL :) Good luck.
For replying (if you wish): http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Megahmad&action=edit§ion=9
On becoming an administrator. I'm rather pleased you're not one of the teenage schoolchild variety. I note on your User page you describe yourself as reasonably sane, but I can't help wondering how long you will be able to maintain yourself in that stance! Good luck! Regards, David Lauder 19:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Could I bother you firstly by asking you to look at User:Skomorokh who is vandalising the disambiguation note at the top of Sir Robert Lauder of The Bass. Thanks. David Lauder 19:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Due to a move war caused by an editor who is unwilling to accept the naming conventions, it's currently at this incorrectly spelt title, and can't be moved back to due the redirects. Can you use your mop to move it back tp James Stronge please? Thanks. One Night In Hackney 303 20:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Actually, in looking at the SFD page I'm unclear as to how to actually nominate the thing. I withdrew the nom; your help in re-nominating would be greatly appreciated. Otto4711 12:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Wow! The strongest possible argument I never thought of. Well Done! R_Orange 19:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I do think some editors involved might need some encouragement to agree to the proposal sadly. One Night In Hackney 303 23:17, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Can you take a look at the articles for the people left in Category:Archbishops and see if there is a good subcat for them? I looked but I'm not sure about the terminology. Vegaswikian 02:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I would like to strongly contest the content of the paragraph on notability here WP:COI#Notability_and_saliency which states that Who's Who and other directories in Britain are meaningless and the people therein not notable, which seems to me a monstrous travesty of truth. It begs the question: what do people consult when they wish to acquire knowledge about living notables? Moreover, the most fictitious thing in that paragraph is the statement which states that people pay a fee for inclusion. This is a complete lie and whoever made this up needs to cite a very clear source. Maybe you could direct me to the relevant page where I at least can contest this paagraph along similar lines. Regards, David Lauder 15:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Please would you help me with Lyme_Regis_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Members_of_Parliament. The source of the info is Rayment. [1] - Kittybrewster (talk) 22:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Seeing as you're a regular over at CfD and were involved in a previous discussion about this and related categories.
I was thinking about creating a subcat of Category:Real Irish Republican Army for just the members, as (Continuity IRA excepted due to the lack of members with articles) every other version of the IRA from 1916 onwards has a similar category, so this should be consistent as well.
This would leave the following articles in the main cat:
And these articles would go in the subcat:
The first two need plenty of work anyway, which I should have more time to do now with any luck. Also if his trial ever finishes (not even sure what's going on with that, there's been zilch in the press) Sean Hoey may need an article, plus there's a couple of other possibilities for articles on members as well.
Would that be a reasonable use of categories? I realise both the main cat and subcat (and the Real IRA actions subcat) are all sparsely populated, but at least they would be consistent with the other incarnations of the IRA. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 303 04:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I voted to keep these as I find them useful, the only other method of doing this that I can think of is to categorise MPs under the term of the Prime Ministers, but that would involve alot of work in re-organising them.-- padraig3uk 14:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment ... I'm glad I brightened up your day. Daniel Case 15:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
[moved from userpage - Alison ☺ 17:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello cailin le an gruaig donn
The Wickipedia entry for Bossiney is incorrect when it says the borough only had one elector in 1784. I don't know if you put this in. I don't want to delete it without who ever placed it knowing why. Possibly it was your entry?
The source for this claim is undoubtedly Oldfield’s “The Representative History of Great Britain and Ireland” (vol iii page 210) published in 1816. However, in a slighty later work of Oldfield's “A Key to the House of Commons” published in 1820 he no longer makes it. In 1819 he had acted as an election agent in Bossiney which had doubtlessly greatly improved his knowledge of the borough.
The actual number of electors in 1784 was almost certainly 10. This figure can be inferred from the contents of letter (quoted in “The History of Parliament 1754 - 1790” - page 46) penned by a local election agent in January 1784 and sent to Lady Bute, then one of the borough’s “patrons”: “The interest hath certainly been injured greatly by Mr Crewe’s bill.... the election, now being in fewer hands, each individual feels greater consequence. I will however venture to assure your Ladyship that your interest is not in the least danger....We have still seven to three, which I think is a pretty decent majority.”
Paul Buttle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.193.205 ( talk • contribs)
Cailin donn a chara,
I've done what you've said. Added my tuppence worth on the Bossiney page.
I'm totally bewildered by the Wickipedia system - brilliant as it is. Maybe in time I'll get the hang of it.
The 7th June this year is the 175th anniversary of the passing of the Reform Act - I wonder if it will get any attention in the media?
Mise le meas,
Paul Buttle —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.155.193.205 ( talk) 08:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
Yes, I know Fane just about scrapes in, I spent ages yesterday sourcing him. My point was to wait until more information was available, rather that not have a page but just momentarily have one stub less. I see you have asked for refs on that page well all that information is fully referenced here [2] where Kittybrewster found it! - Please feel free to go into my user space and use it, if you are so inclined. I have washed my hands of him and his stubs. They are littered with errors and improbabilities and ultimately I am concerned they will dmage the project. Giano 13:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
If Henry Fane was an MP then a brief biography of him should be found in "The House of Commons 1754 - 1790" published by The History of Parliament Trust - see:-
http://www.histparl.ac.uk/the-commons-1754-1790.html
I've only found complete sets of the History of Parliament volumes in the UK in university libraries and the British Library - but some county libraries may have them - I think Lancashire does. Forgive me if I'm stating here what you already know.
Paul Buttle
Thanks, I've seen stuff like that on that Peerage website before, there's quite a few Arbuthnots on there that have questionable sourcing in terms of independence. I set up this page a while ago when preparing a COI noticeboard report, a lot of the articles tend to be only sourced by Kittybrewster's site, the book written by a family member and possibly one other source, it's very problematic. For example see William Arbuthnot (artillery officer), he first became an officer in 1804 but became a general in 1873, which would mean he was in his 80s?! One Night In Hackney 303 13:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I think this is interesting Kittybrewster uses as a ref: Mrs P S-M Arbuthnot "Memories of the Arbuthnots" (1920). George Allen & Unwin Ltd.
Yet the same publishers in the same year published "Memories of the Arbuthnots of Kincardineshire and Aberdeenshire" by Ada Jane Evelyn Arbuthnot [3]
Odd that two Arbuthnot wives should simultaneously publish works so similar - very odd! There is the possible explanation that Kittybrewster forgot to add the last part of the title - but would those qualifying Scottish counties include the Irish branch? Then the name Ada Jane could have been Mrs Philip Arbuthnot - but why change the author;s name. Too many questions? Giano 16:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I have left a message here [4] about the circular referencing. I've no reason to beleive what he says is false - but what is the policy concerning the matter - I don't know. Giano 12:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Good Humor | ||
For helping to calm the discussion on Isms and Belief Systems at CfD with all your good sense. Thanks a lot! Lesnail 16:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC) |
Aatomic1 23:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Let me tell you about my experience. I am a cab driver. I also have a B.A. in philosophy, and a Certificate in teaching critical thinking.
I have been driving cab for a while now, and I have become quite skilled at it. Now I know what you are thinking! How much skill does driving cab take?! Everyone drives. It's something anyone can do! As a result, I get a lot of input from people on how to do my job. More than most anyone at any job really. Everyone is an expert. But it isn't that simple...
For instance, I really do know the shortest way to a place, EVEN if its different from the one usually taken by my passenger. This is not always true, but by and large it is. Also, I know the Rules of the Road, and I have my own copy of the Vehicle Code. Yet I still have people think "Hey! you can't do that!" It usually involves a legal U-turn, or the use of lanes, etc. People very often give me the play-by-play directions the whole way to the destination even though I told them I know exactly where it is, and I have been there a million times. Plus, as an experienced driver, I have cut the margin on possible moves quite small. This sometimes results in people thinking I am going to miss a turn, or not stop at a stop sign, etc. Really, I am just stopping or turning shorter than they would. I don't say anything, and they continue to live their lives believing that I just didn't know what I was doing! It's a cross I bear.
I took every course in logic that CSUC has to offer. I studied further than the curriculum as well. I have 3 large boxes of index card notes on just logic, and still growing. But guess what! Philosophy and logic are ALSO subjects that everyone thinks they know everything about! Take a look at the discussion so far. You seem pretty sure that aesthetic movements are not isms or belief systems. And yet for every one there exists a sentence which is believed to be true by one who is a part of that movement. You certainly aren't the only guilty one.
Set membership is the most precise language that can be used. Beliefs correspond to sentences which are believed to be true sentences. Every action by humans corresponds to some mental state. Every mental state corresponds to some sentence which is true. If you don't see it that way that's fine. You aren't a logician I don't think. For those of us who have an investment in this way of looking, and expressing things, you really should defer.
You can say that it's not clear all day long. At this point that is a function of your understanding, and not my elucidation. The every day person's perception on what is and is not a belief system should be informed by those who are educated specifically on the issue, not the other way around.
I know you are worried that just any old thing becomes a belief system this way: marriage-ism. How silly! Well not really. It's not silly at all. The fact is that even though we could go through the whole dictionary, and put -ism at the end of each word -- no one is doing that, are they?! There is a reason no one is. There are clearly reasonable cases, and clearly unreasonable cases. Rather than just abandon the project altogether, why don't we have faith in people to be able to know the difference?!
Be well, Gregbard 01:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jc37, thanks for your reply to comment to PW at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 May 9#Category:Lutheran_Primates_of_Sweden. I can't actually claim originality for emphasising the distinction between categorisation and tagging, because I first saw it expressed in those terms in some other discussion. Can't recall who the author was, possibly Radiant.
Anyway, I have just been re-reading WP:CAT, and I don't think that it makes that point. What do you think of proposing a change to WP:CAT to make this point fairly prominently, e.g. at WP:CAT#Some_general_guidelines?
BTW, PW's responses to the CfDs on primates lead me back to the view that it would be best to seek a ban on him creating categories. He doesn't seem to have improved his understanding of how categories work, seems unable/unwillingly to meaningfully engage in CfD discussions ... and the primates categories are at least the fourth occasion on which he has created a sprawling and ill-conceived category tree which others have had to tidy up. (The others I can think of offhand are Christian pastors, Misionaries, and Methodist bishops).-- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Let's see, in order:
Hi there. I've noticed all the operas by year cats you've been working on... this seems like a pretty massive endeavor... was there a discussion about it someplace? I've looked but can't find any. There are some questions about it here too. I just want to avoid a situation where you put in LOTS of work that people later decide isn't the best way to organize these cats. Fireplace 17:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Don't know if you've noticed my comments on this AfD, but WP:MILITARY#Notability (which I freely admit never having heard of before today) — which specifically excludes family histories as reliable sources — might be of use in the battle to hold back the ever-rising tide of Arbuthnots — iridescenti (talk to me!) 23:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
As one who is opposed to the current jaundiced campaign being waged, could I just ask if that means that the numerous brilliant 19th and early 20th century family histories researched for years and compiled by the likes of Professor Sir William Fraser, (whose labours currently sell for anything between £300 and £1000), are all useless? Just what sort of academic judgement is that? It seems to me as an observer that there is some sort of fantastic and entirely unjustified bias against family history books, often the best reference point when researching members of those families. What is being said here is that the labours of the various writers, where members of the families or otherwise, were spurious and useless. That is just a lie. David Lauder 14:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Whatever Kittybrewster's faults I believe his overall contribution to Wikipedia has been most constructive and does not merit in any way the sneering disgraceful remarks by User:Giano to him, about him, and to and about anyone who offers the slightest bit of support to Kittybrewster. The comment by Giano on his User page is a disgrace. I am not impressed with his numerous barnstars when he behaves in such an openly uncivil manner towards other users who come on to Wikipedia and give their free time and energies to the project. It seems to me that WP:Civil is actually used by the uncivil against others after they have been provoked into it. I do not lightly complain against others but we seen to have a little group of people attacking Kittybrewster, and virtually anything he has done, largely unfairly and in the most sneering manner. Can you not bring other administrators into this scenario and ask them to mediate? David Lauder 19:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
That is a fundamentally unfair and exceptionally cynical comment, if I may say so. Whilst there may be flaws in some works (and I presume Edison is speaking from an American perspective), his comments do not reflect the general run of family histories in Great Britain. His remarks are a slur upon the talents and hard work of a very great many people who compile histories of families out of interest rather than aggrandizement. I have yet to read a British family history which has an ancestry going back to biblical figures (that is not to say there may not be one out there!) Flawed historians exist everywhere, family or otherwise. I have consulted many books where apparent experts have simply got it wrong. I am not going to slag them off because they made an error or errors. I feel sure that in the majority of cases these are genuine errors. In the 19th century and in Edwardian times some brilliantly researched histories of families by contemporary members of those families have been published (Rutherfords, Burnetts, Leslies, etc.) and are bedrock source information for anyone writing about someone mentioned therein. Without independent research (forbidden by WP) we may never know of a great deal of information which has been researched and entered into these family histories. I thought Edison's contribution to this discussion was a massive insult to all decent family historians who compile books which contain not just the greats in their families but also the villains, with proper source information. They are no more biased than the many history books written by authors with a particular axe to grind. David Lauder 17:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Please could you lock this topic on my latest reversion until User:Christina Kaye gets the message. She is very clearly attempting to push an NPOV argument and false claim on this extinct peerage under a claim of 'compromise'. I have consistantly demonstrated that she is wrong and that there cannot be a compromise because there are no legal grounds for it. All the authorities (bar one), including William Dugdale give a specific line on this peerage and yet she continues to poo poo it at to insert into the article a family claim which has never been brought before The House and which no proper authority agrees with. In addition the peerage was reissued a century later! I'd be grateful for some input otherwise I shall have to ask for adjudication. She has now broken the three-reverts rule by reverting my proper formats thrice. David Lauder 12:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
In accordance with Wikipedia:Protection_policy#Content_disputes, I have now protected the article Lord Hume of Berwick or 14 days. See my explanation and comments at Talk:Lord_Hume_of_Berwick#Page_protected; I think that it would be best to continue the discussion there. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, BrownHairedGirl, may I borrow your admin expertise? Would the above article be acceptable? I've been slowly compiling a private alphabetical list of living British MPs in the past few months, and I make just over 1,400 of them (only just over twice the number of currently serving MPs). We already have lists of MPs elected by each general election, so there would certainly be nothing novel about it. Your thoughts would be welcome and appreciated Dovea 17:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Following on from this discussion, I have posted some comments to Talk:List of living philosophers and academics of philosophy#Accuracy and maintainability of this list, raising my concerns abot that list. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Would you consider undeleting List of living philosophers and academics of philosophy? I've put substantial work into it and it hurts not to even be consulted before deleting it. KSchutte 02:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Where do I go to make a report or ask for assistance with vandalism that is coming from an IP range that seems obviously shared? I suspect a group of grade school students, tag-team vandalizing the pages of authors Mrs. Brown is insisting they read---or something of the sort. All the vandalism was limited to a certain time frame earlier this afternoon/evening, and they hit the same group of authors. This simply cannot be coincidental. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Cheers! --- Cathal 23:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I think {{ cfd2}} may be hosed, but I'm not sure how to fix it. -- Flex ( talk/ contribs) 15:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Are you going to divide this into English, French, etc? I guess most of the Vicor Herbert shows, Desert Song, etc. would go to the new cat. -- Ssilvers 18:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
You may care to take a minute to read the comments on the Talk Page of User:MrDarcy; and might I draw your attention to the usual suspects on the AfD for the Hereditary Peerage Association. David Lauder 14:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks very much for that. But I feel someone of your calibre needs to keep a very close watch on developments here. User:Giano II is now threatening to block me (see my Talk page) for responding to his shocking remarks on the Talk Page of Sir William Arbuthnot, 2nd Baronet. David Lauder 15:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
28 new 'useful and appropriate' categories in the last 2 days - look. -- roundhouse 18:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I have now asked for advice on where to raise this issue: see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(assistance)#Where_to_seek_a_partial_ban_on_a_user. I think that after all the months of attempts to discuss the issue with PW, that there is no sensible alternative to a ban on PW making any edits n category space. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Please keep me informed on developments regarding this issue. Dr. Submillimeter 13:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Changed. That is my standard, and I've never had a problem with it before. How odd. Thank you! -- Ipstenu ( talk • contribs) 19:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
See [6] and [7] I would say this is the same editor trying to avoid 3RR, I'am not sure of the procedure to report this could you check it out.-- padraig3uk 21:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick note, I've responded to your proposal at the relevant cfd, please see if my statement in any way affects your position.
Truly, Carlossuarez46 22:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed as you closed a CfD discussion! :) I think this is great news for the wider community, especially considering you don't necessarily follow the vehement deletionist leanings of some of our other admins. ~ Zythe Talk to me! 00:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
An affair in which I believe you are interested is being discussed here. Bishonen | talk 10:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC).
I was hoping to have a direct discussion with you about the cruiser categorization issue. WikiProject Ships has a categorization guideline for ship articles and categories. Articles on cruisers are categorized in the following way:
Cruiser class categories are categorized in the following way:
WikiProject Ships formerly put "Ships by country" categories on every single ship, but this was found to be redundant when their class category was already categorized by country. The "Ships by country" categories were becoming awful messes for ship types that are very numerous, like destroyers, and it was decided that list articles were a better way to go than adding many categories to each article.
WikiProject Ships also formerly categorized by navy, but this is considered redundant when categorizing by country as well, and is less clear to those unfamiliar with ships than categorizing by country. I would be in favor of merging navy categories into country categories, but there is significant opposition so for now they're separated. I agree that the situation is suboptimal.
Eventually articles that aren't categorized according to the WP:SHIPS guidelines will be fixed, but there are thousands of articles that need work and we have limits to what we're able to accomplish. I'm currently working on properly categorizing submarine articles and standardizing their infoboxes, but there's so much to do.
An organized system for categorizing these articles already exists, and adding cruiser subtype categories to each individual ship article is overcategorization. Please reconsider your votes to keep these newly-created redundant categories, as they appear to be made under the assumption that there is no categorization plan for ships, and that ships are not already categorized by class. If you have any questions about WP:SHIPS' categorization guidelines, I'd be happy to answer them. TomTheHand 15:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if you can help me out with the following article: Electoral (Amendment) Act 1974 basically what I would like to do with it would be to have constituencies in 1973 on the same line(s) as their successor constituencies in 1977. So for example rather than have North County Dublin (1973), Dublin North West, North County Dublin (1977), West County Dublin and Dublin Finglas all on 5 seperate lines, I would prefer to have only three lines, with the 1977 seats on the right and the 1973 constituencies on the left both in the middle of each line. Hope that makes sense.
Also I believe that rather than having 'Tullymander' redirect to the gerrymander article it would be better for it to redirect to the electoral amendment 1974 article. Is it possible to change the redirect? Thanks Valenciano 06:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
A number of admins (myself included) feel your block of Kittybrewster ( talk · contribs) was a bit excessive. I don't want to WP:WHEEL here so I thought I'd invite you back to the conversation before anything is done here.-- Isotope23 17:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Are you online? If so, I beg of you to put an immediate block on User:Tomizgcro. I am sure of the images he is presently uploading but he is continuously interfering with Croatian football player's country of birth. By taking out /Yugoslavia/ as he is doing, presumably on grounds of "personal preference, how he'd like it to have been", he is violating a respected code of historical accuracy. I warned him twice, he ignored it, I beg of you to deal with this. Thank you. Evlekis 18:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, you participated a lot in this discussion and the second discussion on the same categories. The first discussion was closed as merge, despite there being, I think, I pretty clear concensus not to do so. However, the merger was carried out. Then the second discussion discussion was closed the other way, but that decision was not carried out. As a result, Category:Whaling stations of South Georgia no longer exists, and Category:Whaling stations of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands both does exist and is oddly half tagged for renaming. I don't have time to do anything else about this right now, but something probably ought to be done, and I am hoping you can do it. Thanks a lot. Lesnail 20:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Also can you please reply on my talk page, since by the time I get back here your talk page will probably have been archived. Thanks. Lesnail 20:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to pick your brains again. I've been looking through the above category and found a number of people who I don't believe are notable. It seems that one editor has in good faith created a number of articles on SF candidates for 2007. Most if not all if them, I believe are not notable and should be deleted. Can you advise me of the procedure that I should follow as I've never nominated articles for deletion before and in this instance, there are over 30 articles involved
These were unsuccessful candidates, who don't seem to have held any kind of publically elected office at all Henry Cremin, Lynn Ní Bhaoighealláin, Liam Browne, Martin Kenny, Joanne Finnegan, Joanne Spain, Sorcha Nic Cormaic, Matt McCormack, Cristin McCauley, Threasa Bennitt, Felix Gallagher, Peter Lawlor (Sinn Féin), Kathleen Funchion, Shaun Tracey, Maurice Quinlivan, Anna Prior
These are only notable for being current/former local councillors - is that grounds for notability? I'm very dubious that it is? Joe Reilly, Séamus Morris, John Dwyer (Politician), Jonathan O'Brien, Paul Hogan (Irish political figure), Brian Stanley, Cionnaith Ó Súilleabháin, Dessie Ellis, Sandra McLellan, Jason Devlin, Anne Marie Carroll, Eoin Ó Broin, Daithí Doolan, Gerry Murray, David Cullinane, Larry O'Toole, Pádraig Mac Lochlainn, Pearse Doherty
Thanks again, Valenciano 21:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi there! I was closing some CFDs and hit an edit conflict with you. Since I was editing by page rather than by section, this overwrote your changes. But it turns out that our closings are identical, so this should not be a problem; I'll restore them if this bothers you. Cheers, >Radiant< 10:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprised by your closure of the above category, not least because in your summing up you introduced a whole new argument, for which no consensus had been sought or found within the discussion itself. Moreover, the argument is hardly "clear" (to use a term you favour): I'd say it was clearer that when Wikipedia:Categorization, for instance, talks of "large" categories, it means categories with over 200 members, such as for instance Category:Songs by artist.
Then again, as I've noted more than once, not only in this particular discussion but also for instance at Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion, there does seem a problem with the Wikipedia category system... And a marked reluctance to engage in discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion. (See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007 May 20#Category:Trinidadian painters and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 May 20#Category:Trinidadian artists.)
As someone who's been trying to ensure that the category system in at least one small corner of Wikipedia is at least minimally useful, I find running into these obstacles, including what seem at least on the surface at best arbitrary closures of so-called discussion, more than a little dispiriting. -- jbmurray ( talk| contribs) 11:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
And per the deletion review discussion, I apologize if I've given the impression I thought you weren't acting in good faith in the way in which you closed the debate. -- jbmurray ( talk| contribs) 14:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
"My great-grandfather was a notable scientist with a substantive DNB entry, but sadly has no article on wikipedia" - let me know who he was & I'll do one if you like (don't think that would qualify as meatpuppetry, since you'd have no input over the content of the article). I have the same problem with my brother, who does have a Wikipedia article, which is a mess of OR, inaccuracies and trivia that makes me cringe every time I look at it — iridescenti (talk to me!) 12:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi BrownHairedGirl. There has been a new category created for constituencies. Judging from the St Ives constituency page it looks like the creator intends to add it to all the pages on the list as well as each additional one as they are created. I have a few doubts about this but its not really my area so thats why I'm bringing it to you. Its not the actual categorisation that looks to be the problem but adding the Seven boxes in addition to the current one would fill up the page. Please take a look and see what you think. Thanks. Galloglass 12:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi BHG can you take a look at this article and see if you think its a rewriting/copy of this? The thing is even if it is a copy I'm not sure whether it is even copyrighted or that they would want to restrict its usage? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 13:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
It seemed to me that most of the comments on the block length were of the opinion that 1 week was too long. I considered refactoring it to 24 hours, but I figured it will be >24 hours by the time he returns to editing, and that is a sufficient amount of time away. If it any consolation, I will be watching closely to see what actions are taken now that he is unblocked. As I said on his talkpage when I unblocked him, he would appear to be quickly wearing out community patience here and a self-imposed moritorium on edits to those articles would be a very prudent idea. We'll see if he takes my advice.-- Isotope23 19:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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You seem to be under the impression I am simply nominating articles for deletion because they match *kurd* string. This has no connection to reality. Number of nominations are merely directly proportional to the number of creations. My nominations are strictly based on WP:CAT, WP:OC, WP:V and WP:NPOV. CfDs should be discussed based on the topic at hand not based on the nominator. As per WP:NPA, I ask you not discuss the contributor. If you feel that my edits are disruptive, please take it to WP:ANB/I or involve dispute resolution. -- Cat chi? 19:24, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi Wasserman
I was surprised to read at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 23#Category:Anti-Judaism the following comment from you:
I have replied on the CfD discussion, and I'd be delighted to see a substantive response to my more detailed explanation of the problems I perceive with the category. However, the reason I am leaving a message here is that you have made a serious allegation, viz that I am engaged in ballot-stuffing: I would be grateful if you would either substantiate that allegation or withdraw it. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
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Right, that's better. I refer to this previous posting on your talk page, now in your archive, and which was addressed to Vintagekits:
We now have this AfD, which follows further considerable discussion by this editor on a related previous AfD.
I have left my own comments, which speak for themselves and refer to yet another bone of contention, being a recent discussion on the terms 'killing' and 'murder' here.
I do nothing more than bring the matter to your attention. Res ipsa loquitur. -- Major Bonkers (talk) 15:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Good work nominating the elections by year categories, hopefully we can set a better naming convention :) What do you think about Category:Elections in Europe, 2007? I'd be tempted to delete it as an unnecessary subdivision, particularly as we are heading towards diving all elections by year up by country? Tim! 10:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I'm posting this boilerplate message to everyone who commented at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 22#Category:Khaleeji female singers. I've added some comments on the WP:MUSICIANS project position, as requested, plus a few observations of my own (such as the fact that Khaleeji appears to be a dialect, not a language), and some or all of those might affect your position in that debate. Xtifr tälk 13:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
In reference to the discussion about the Bonesman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_26#Category:Bonesmen
I agree that this article should remain as the Skull and Bones for the name of the article. - Signaleer 08:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi BownHairedGirl: Please see my concerns at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#User:Wasserman. Thank you, IZAK 13:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do not unnecessarily populate this category. The category is useless - is does not provide any required categorization. If you look at all other martial arts, none use this scheme of "martial art by nationality". Basically, Category:Kickboxers is a listing of kickboxers by nationality. The two categories you added Category:Kickboxers by nationality in already breaks down kickboxers by nationality. Take a look at all other martial arts and the overall hierarchy before making any additional changes. This category really should be deleted. -- Scott Alter 01:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Burkem22 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), who's now launched into some mad fantasia wherein the de Burghs were "Kings of Ireland". If you can reblock, hopefully in a few days I can start cleaning up the nonsense. Choess 04:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I've nominated List of Jewish United States Supreme Court justices, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that List of Jewish United States Supreme Court justices satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also " What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Jewish United States Supreme Court justices and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of List of Jewish United States Supreme Court justices during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. IZAK 14:37, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
IZAK, please: you still misunderstand the basic point that a list is not a category (see Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes for a more detailed explanation), and that far from CfD being inherently about deleting information, the fact is that "preserving the information" is frequently an explicit goal of CfDs. (Of course there are CfDs where the aim is to resmove the information, but those are actually very rare). The reasons why categories are deleted is many and varied, but it to understand this situation it is essential to remember categories have a different purpose to lists (see Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes again). One o the most common objectives is to avoid category clutter, so the practise at CfD is to retain only categories which are both useful to navigation and which record defining attributes of the articles concerned. It is very common for categories to be deleted when lists are retained, but once the category is deleted, the info is irretrievably gone unless a list has been made already: there is an undelete facility for articles and lists, but once a category is emptied, that's it. If a list is created, it can still be deleted; but if it is not created, it's a pain-in-the-neck to recreate it. In this case, I am neutral about the merits of the list, and my intention was simply not to see it disappear by default: I have no problem with a decision under due process to delete the list, but a CfD decision is not a default decision to remove a list. If you look at CfD debates, the existence of a list is frequently cited as an alternative to the category to allow the information to be preserved. Here are some examples:
I could list plenty more such CfDs, but the point is well made at AfD by A Musing: there are some categories which are collections of information that ought to be deleted, but each case has to betaken on its merits. I have so far seen nothing at the CfD to suggest that this was info which as not appropriate for wikipedia, and despite repeated requests you yourself have chosen not explain why you think it is inappropriate. You would do well to re-read the CFD. You will see there that I explicitly stated that I had created the list, and you will see that no-one else had any objection to it, and that at least one editor explicitly cited the existence of the list as assisting their desire to delete the category.
I have tried repeatedly to explain why I did what I did in accordance with my understanding of what CfD procedure is, and I hope that you can at the very least acknowledge that this was done in good faith, and not as part of some attempt to counter the CfD. I think that you have made an honest mistake in misunderstanding the purpose and practise of CfD, but even if you had been right in your understanding of CFD, there was no need to launch into and defend allegations of trying to subvert process. IZAK, you are hard-working editor, and you clearly have strong views about the merits of lists and categories of Jewish people. I'm not sure whether I agree with those reasons, but I don't doubt that they are honourable ... but as you'll see from the CfD, the lack of civility noted by several editors is hindering your chances of removing the article. I want to hear the substantive (rather than procedural) case for removing it, but I'm still waiting. I assume good faith and presume that you have such a case: rather than stretching my good faith, why not just set out those reasons? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 18:47, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed you closed the debate on the
Marx Brothers category. I found your decision surprising. I did read the previous debate and considered the arguments presented and its place within the category system, I concluded a keep result was inevitable. It was at best, as you said, a case of no consensus 'no consensus' on that discussion; this included a comment that the category was depopulated and consideration was therefore difficult [accord] so soon after previous debates. The nominator did not give a clear reason for deletion and gave no chance for the category to be restored. The insubstantial reasons given are based on poor analogies to other categories and a seeming ignorance of the subject's notability. The user seems to feel a family name is the basis for deletion and his userpage verges on the macabre. Can I suggest take a little time to reconsider your action on this matter. Thanks.
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Thanks for your explanation. My apologies for a poorly worded paraphrasing of your term. I meant to suggest that I thought the verdict was no consensus, sorry about that. I will try to address your comments in order. It seems to me that the substance of the keep argument, presented by editors who claimed an interest in the category, was that it contained a large number of articles and was useful. I believe the template is evidence of a complex of articles, but this only links within the complex and not to the rest of our document. Any article within the cat would be closely associated with the subject, I can not see overcategorisation as a problem. The reasons for keeping categories need not be given if they are shown to be useful, presumably these are familiar to to the debate's closer. These were also given at the nomination to overturn, a more clearcut discussion. IMHO, problems of miscategorisation should occur at the article to be included, that is where the edit is made (or reverted). A sizable group of meaningfully linked articles would be the definition of a category, I suspect keep supporters thought of it this way; people would want to use it and were baffled that it had been proposed for deletion. Large size is a reason to keep, if the links are valid and meaningful; it is a reason to split it.
Whether or not CfD keeps eponymous categories is the subject for another discussion, I would suppose that many passing through the process are well deserving of deletion. WP:OC softens the blow for family historians and the celebrity obsessed, I imagine. The nominator, when discussing the exception, happened to give the reason to keep it and pointed out a reason to delete the Category:Marx Brothers (film series), as per your "test". Otto was right, he has been doing a lot of the other nominating (and indulging in a bit of the old ad hominem). Pointing out that this cat does not include the other works or themselves is academic, I suppose, as I imagine it will be deleted by the same (misapplied?) criteria. Any 'navigational (or other) requirements will be lost, it only clinches the demise of anty categorisation of the subject. I fear that it is being deleted by misapplication of guidelines designed to rid wikipedia of meaningless or superfluous categories - these are both harmless and useful. I admire your effort in finding substance amid comments regarding Karl Marx being categorised and other meanderings off topic, but I think you have overlooked the subjects relevance to the exceptions of the general rule. I'm glad we agree about the need for documentation of category members before deletion. Given the potential for loss of information, perhaps some whiz could make a bot part of the process - at least above the speedy delete process. There are some tricks for recovering this information, so I am told anyway. BTW, this was not a step in a WP:DRV process, I merely wanted an exchange of views. There is a famous quote by Groucho about clubs and members, so I doubt he is turning in his grave over this :-) Regards ☻ Fred| ☝ discussion| ✍ contributions 20:50, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jc37, I was very surprised to see that you had closed Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 April 24#Category:Jewish_United_States_Supreme_Court_justices as a "keep". Are you sure that was what you intended to do?
Counting !votes, I see 10 to upmerge or delete, and one to listify; there are five delete !votes. So on a simple headcount, there is a clear supermajority to remove the category, with upmerger as the preferred destination.
Your explanation was puzzling: "The consensus seems to be that Category:Jewish American jurists is a valid category. (The many Keep/UpMerge comments, among others.)"
First, were discussing Category:Jewish United States Supreme Court justices rather than Category:Jewish American jurists, so the merits of the former category are largely a separate issue. And secondly, I don't see what led you to consider the upmerge votes as being akin to a keep.
Please can you explain this? Thanks! -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Or is it articles for deletion, 2007...
I note your change of category for Irish general election, 2007 placing it in Category:2007 elections in Europe instead of Category:Elections in Europe, 2007. The two phrases have completely different English language meanings; the former meaning over 2000 elections, and the latter meaning elections in the year 2007. I fail to see how it makes any sense whatsoever to rename to use such an incorrect phrasing.
Any chance we could use proper English at Wikipedia for once? -- zoney ♣ talk 23:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
You seems a nice person, LOL :) Good luck.
For replying (if you wish): http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Megahmad&action=edit§ion=9
On becoming an administrator. I'm rather pleased you're not one of the teenage schoolchild variety. I note on your User page you describe yourself as reasonably sane, but I can't help wondering how long you will be able to maintain yourself in that stance! Good luck! Regards, David Lauder 19:54, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Could I bother you firstly by asking you to look at User:Skomorokh who is vandalising the disambiguation note at the top of Sir Robert Lauder of The Bass. Thanks. David Lauder 19:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Due to a move war caused by an editor who is unwilling to accept the naming conventions, it's currently at this incorrectly spelt title, and can't be moved back to due the redirects. Can you use your mop to move it back tp James Stronge please? Thanks. One Night In Hackney 303 20:02, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Actually, in looking at the SFD page I'm unclear as to how to actually nominate the thing. I withdrew the nom; your help in re-nominating would be greatly appreciated. Otto4711 12:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Wow! The strongest possible argument I never thought of. Well Done! R_Orange 19:13, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
I do think some editors involved might need some encouragement to agree to the proposal sadly. One Night In Hackney 303 23:17, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Can you take a look at the articles for the people left in Category:Archbishops and see if there is a good subcat for them? I looked but I'm not sure about the terminology. Vegaswikian 02:32, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
I would like to strongly contest the content of the paragraph on notability here WP:COI#Notability_and_saliency which states that Who's Who and other directories in Britain are meaningless and the people therein not notable, which seems to me a monstrous travesty of truth. It begs the question: what do people consult when they wish to acquire knowledge about living notables? Moreover, the most fictitious thing in that paragraph is the statement which states that people pay a fee for inclusion. This is a complete lie and whoever made this up needs to cite a very clear source. Maybe you could direct me to the relevant page where I at least can contest this paagraph along similar lines. Regards, David Lauder 15:15, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Please would you help me with Lyme_Regis_(UK_Parliament_constituency)#Members_of_Parliament. The source of the info is Rayment. [1] - Kittybrewster (talk) 22:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Seeing as you're a regular over at CfD and were involved in a previous discussion about this and related categories.
I was thinking about creating a subcat of Category:Real Irish Republican Army for just the members, as (Continuity IRA excepted due to the lack of members with articles) every other version of the IRA from 1916 onwards has a similar category, so this should be consistent as well.
This would leave the following articles in the main cat:
And these articles would go in the subcat:
The first two need plenty of work anyway, which I should have more time to do now with any luck. Also if his trial ever finishes (not even sure what's going on with that, there's been zilch in the press) Sean Hoey may need an article, plus there's a couple of other possibilities for articles on members as well.
Would that be a reasonable use of categories? I realise both the main cat and subcat (and the Real IRA actions subcat) are all sparsely populated, but at least they would be consistent with the other incarnations of the IRA. Thanks. One Night In Hackney 303 04:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I voted to keep these as I find them useful, the only other method of doing this that I can think of is to categorise MPs under the term of the Prime Ministers, but that would involve alot of work in re-organising them.-- padraig3uk 14:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment ... I'm glad I brightened up your day. Daniel Case 15:21, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
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Hello cailin le an gruaig donn
The Wickipedia entry for Bossiney is incorrect when it says the borough only had one elector in 1784. I don't know if you put this in. I don't want to delete it without who ever placed it knowing why. Possibly it was your entry?
The source for this claim is undoubtedly Oldfield’s “The Representative History of Great Britain and Ireland” (vol iii page 210) published in 1816. However, in a slighty later work of Oldfield's “A Key to the House of Commons” published in 1820 he no longer makes it. In 1819 he had acted as an election agent in Bossiney which had doubtlessly greatly improved his knowledge of the borough.
The actual number of electors in 1784 was almost certainly 10. This figure can be inferred from the contents of letter (quoted in “The History of Parliament 1754 - 1790” - page 46) penned by a local election agent in January 1784 and sent to Lady Bute, then one of the borough’s “patrons”: “The interest hath certainly been injured greatly by Mr Crewe’s bill.... the election, now being in fewer hands, each individual feels greater consequence. I will however venture to assure your Ladyship that your interest is not in the least danger....We have still seven to three, which I think is a pretty decent majority.”
Paul Buttle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.193.205 ( talk • contribs)
Cailin donn a chara,
I've done what you've said. Added my tuppence worth on the Bossiney page.
I'm totally bewildered by the Wickipedia system - brilliant as it is. Maybe in time I'll get the hang of it.
The 7th June this year is the 175th anniversary of the passing of the Reform Act - I wonder if it will get any attention in the media?
Mise le meas,
Paul Buttle —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.155.193.205 ( talk) 08:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
Yes, I know Fane just about scrapes in, I spent ages yesterday sourcing him. My point was to wait until more information was available, rather that not have a page but just momentarily have one stub less. I see you have asked for refs on that page well all that information is fully referenced here [2] where Kittybrewster found it! - Please feel free to go into my user space and use it, if you are so inclined. I have washed my hands of him and his stubs. They are littered with errors and improbabilities and ultimately I am concerned they will dmage the project. Giano 13:25, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
If Henry Fane was an MP then a brief biography of him should be found in "The House of Commons 1754 - 1790" published by The History of Parliament Trust - see:-
http://www.histparl.ac.uk/the-commons-1754-1790.html
I've only found complete sets of the History of Parliament volumes in the UK in university libraries and the British Library - but some county libraries may have them - I think Lancashire does. Forgive me if I'm stating here what you already know.
Paul Buttle
Thanks, I've seen stuff like that on that Peerage website before, there's quite a few Arbuthnots on there that have questionable sourcing in terms of independence. I set up this page a while ago when preparing a COI noticeboard report, a lot of the articles tend to be only sourced by Kittybrewster's site, the book written by a family member and possibly one other source, it's very problematic. For example see William Arbuthnot (artillery officer), he first became an officer in 1804 but became a general in 1873, which would mean he was in his 80s?! One Night In Hackney 303 13:48, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I think this is interesting Kittybrewster uses as a ref: Mrs P S-M Arbuthnot "Memories of the Arbuthnots" (1920). George Allen & Unwin Ltd.
Yet the same publishers in the same year published "Memories of the Arbuthnots of Kincardineshire and Aberdeenshire" by Ada Jane Evelyn Arbuthnot [3]
Odd that two Arbuthnot wives should simultaneously publish works so similar - very odd! There is the possible explanation that Kittybrewster forgot to add the last part of the title - but would those qualifying Scottish counties include the Irish branch? Then the name Ada Jane could have been Mrs Philip Arbuthnot - but why change the author;s name. Too many questions? Giano 16:31, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I have left a message here [4] about the circular referencing. I've no reason to beleive what he says is false - but what is the policy concerning the matter - I don't know. Giano 12:17, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Good Humor | ||
For helping to calm the discussion on Isms and Belief Systems at CfD with all your good sense. Thanks a lot! Lesnail 16:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC) |
Aatomic1 23:28, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Let me tell you about my experience. I am a cab driver. I also have a B.A. in philosophy, and a Certificate in teaching critical thinking.
I have been driving cab for a while now, and I have become quite skilled at it. Now I know what you are thinking! How much skill does driving cab take?! Everyone drives. It's something anyone can do! As a result, I get a lot of input from people on how to do my job. More than most anyone at any job really. Everyone is an expert. But it isn't that simple...
For instance, I really do know the shortest way to a place, EVEN if its different from the one usually taken by my passenger. This is not always true, but by and large it is. Also, I know the Rules of the Road, and I have my own copy of the Vehicle Code. Yet I still have people think "Hey! you can't do that!" It usually involves a legal U-turn, or the use of lanes, etc. People very often give me the play-by-play directions the whole way to the destination even though I told them I know exactly where it is, and I have been there a million times. Plus, as an experienced driver, I have cut the margin on possible moves quite small. This sometimes results in people thinking I am going to miss a turn, or not stop at a stop sign, etc. Really, I am just stopping or turning shorter than they would. I don't say anything, and they continue to live their lives believing that I just didn't know what I was doing! It's a cross I bear.
I took every course in logic that CSUC has to offer. I studied further than the curriculum as well. I have 3 large boxes of index card notes on just logic, and still growing. But guess what! Philosophy and logic are ALSO subjects that everyone thinks they know everything about! Take a look at the discussion so far. You seem pretty sure that aesthetic movements are not isms or belief systems. And yet for every one there exists a sentence which is believed to be true by one who is a part of that movement. You certainly aren't the only guilty one.
Set membership is the most precise language that can be used. Beliefs correspond to sentences which are believed to be true sentences. Every action by humans corresponds to some mental state. Every mental state corresponds to some sentence which is true. If you don't see it that way that's fine. You aren't a logician I don't think. For those of us who have an investment in this way of looking, and expressing things, you really should defer.
You can say that it's not clear all day long. At this point that is a function of your understanding, and not my elucidation. The every day person's perception on what is and is not a belief system should be informed by those who are educated specifically on the issue, not the other way around.
I know you are worried that just any old thing becomes a belief system this way: marriage-ism. How silly! Well not really. It's not silly at all. The fact is that even though we could go through the whole dictionary, and put -ism at the end of each word -- no one is doing that, are they?! There is a reason no one is. There are clearly reasonable cases, and clearly unreasonable cases. Rather than just abandon the project altogether, why don't we have faith in people to be able to know the difference?!
Be well, Gregbard 01:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jc37, thanks for your reply to comment to PW at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 May 9#Category:Lutheran_Primates_of_Sweden. I can't actually claim originality for emphasising the distinction between categorisation and tagging, because I first saw it expressed in those terms in some other discussion. Can't recall who the author was, possibly Radiant.
Anyway, I have just been re-reading WP:CAT, and I don't think that it makes that point. What do you think of proposing a change to WP:CAT to make this point fairly prominently, e.g. at WP:CAT#Some_general_guidelines?
BTW, PW's responses to the CfDs on primates lead me back to the view that it would be best to seek a ban on him creating categories. He doesn't seem to have improved his understanding of how categories work, seems unable/unwillingly to meaningfully engage in CfD discussions ... and the primates categories are at least the fourth occasion on which he has created a sprawling and ill-conceived category tree which others have had to tidy up. (The others I can think of offhand are Christian pastors, Misionaries, and Methodist bishops).-- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:35, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Let's see, in order:
Hi there. I've noticed all the operas by year cats you've been working on... this seems like a pretty massive endeavor... was there a discussion about it someplace? I've looked but can't find any. There are some questions about it here too. I just want to avoid a situation where you put in LOTS of work that people later decide isn't the best way to organize these cats. Fireplace 17:56, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Don't know if you've noticed my comments on this AfD, but WP:MILITARY#Notability (which I freely admit never having heard of before today) — which specifically excludes family histories as reliable sources — might be of use in the battle to hold back the ever-rising tide of Arbuthnots — iridescenti (talk to me!) 23:15, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
As one who is opposed to the current jaundiced campaign being waged, could I just ask if that means that the numerous brilliant 19th and early 20th century family histories researched for years and compiled by the likes of Professor Sir William Fraser, (whose labours currently sell for anything between £300 and £1000), are all useless? Just what sort of academic judgement is that? It seems to me as an observer that there is some sort of fantastic and entirely unjustified bias against family history books, often the best reference point when researching members of those families. What is being said here is that the labours of the various writers, where members of the families or otherwise, were spurious and useless. That is just a lie. David Lauder 14:17, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Whatever Kittybrewster's faults I believe his overall contribution to Wikipedia has been most constructive and does not merit in any way the sneering disgraceful remarks by User:Giano to him, about him, and to and about anyone who offers the slightest bit of support to Kittybrewster. The comment by Giano on his User page is a disgrace. I am not impressed with his numerous barnstars when he behaves in such an openly uncivil manner towards other users who come on to Wikipedia and give their free time and energies to the project. It seems to me that WP:Civil is actually used by the uncivil against others after they have been provoked into it. I do not lightly complain against others but we seen to have a little group of people attacking Kittybrewster, and virtually anything he has done, largely unfairly and in the most sneering manner. Can you not bring other administrators into this scenario and ask them to mediate? David Lauder 19:48, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
That is a fundamentally unfair and exceptionally cynical comment, if I may say so. Whilst there may be flaws in some works (and I presume Edison is speaking from an American perspective), his comments do not reflect the general run of family histories in Great Britain. His remarks are a slur upon the talents and hard work of a very great many people who compile histories of families out of interest rather than aggrandizement. I have yet to read a British family history which has an ancestry going back to biblical figures (that is not to say there may not be one out there!) Flawed historians exist everywhere, family or otherwise. I have consulted many books where apparent experts have simply got it wrong. I am not going to slag them off because they made an error or errors. I feel sure that in the majority of cases these are genuine errors. In the 19th century and in Edwardian times some brilliantly researched histories of families by contemporary members of those families have been published (Rutherfords, Burnetts, Leslies, etc.) and are bedrock source information for anyone writing about someone mentioned therein. Without independent research (forbidden by WP) we may never know of a great deal of information which has been researched and entered into these family histories. I thought Edison's contribution to this discussion was a massive insult to all decent family historians who compile books which contain not just the greats in their families but also the villains, with proper source information. They are no more biased than the many history books written by authors with a particular axe to grind. David Lauder 17:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Please could you lock this topic on my latest reversion until User:Christina Kaye gets the message. She is very clearly attempting to push an NPOV argument and false claim on this extinct peerage under a claim of 'compromise'. I have consistantly demonstrated that she is wrong and that there cannot be a compromise because there are no legal grounds for it. All the authorities (bar one), including William Dugdale give a specific line on this peerage and yet she continues to poo poo it at to insert into the article a family claim which has never been brought before The House and which no proper authority agrees with. In addition the peerage was reissued a century later! I'd be grateful for some input otherwise I shall have to ask for adjudication. She has now broken the three-reverts rule by reverting my proper formats thrice. David Lauder 12:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
In accordance with Wikipedia:Protection_policy#Content_disputes, I have now protected the article Lord Hume of Berwick or 14 days. See my explanation and comments at Talk:Lord_Hume_of_Berwick#Page_protected; I think that it would be best to continue the discussion there. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:52, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, BrownHairedGirl, may I borrow your admin expertise? Would the above article be acceptable? I've been slowly compiling a private alphabetical list of living British MPs in the past few months, and I make just over 1,400 of them (only just over twice the number of currently serving MPs). We already have lists of MPs elected by each general election, so there would certainly be nothing novel about it. Your thoughts would be welcome and appreciated Dovea 17:53, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Following on from this discussion, I have posted some comments to Talk:List of living philosophers and academics of philosophy#Accuracy and maintainability of this list, raising my concerns abot that list. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Would you consider undeleting List of living philosophers and academics of philosophy? I've put substantial work into it and it hurts not to even be consulted before deleting it. KSchutte 02:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Where do I go to make a report or ask for assistance with vandalism that is coming from an IP range that seems obviously shared? I suspect a group of grade school students, tag-team vandalizing the pages of authors Mrs. Brown is insisting they read---or something of the sort. All the vandalism was limited to a certain time frame earlier this afternoon/evening, and they hit the same group of authors. This simply cannot be coincidental. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Cheers! --- Cathal 23:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
I think {{ cfd2}} may be hosed, but I'm not sure how to fix it. -- Flex ( talk/ contribs) 15:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Are you going to divide this into English, French, etc? I guess most of the Vicor Herbert shows, Desert Song, etc. would go to the new cat. -- Ssilvers 18:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
You may care to take a minute to read the comments on the Talk Page of User:MrDarcy; and might I draw your attention to the usual suspects on the AfD for the Hereditary Peerage Association. David Lauder 14:41, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks very much for that. But I feel someone of your calibre needs to keep a very close watch on developments here. User:Giano II is now threatening to block me (see my Talk page) for responding to his shocking remarks on the Talk Page of Sir William Arbuthnot, 2nd Baronet. David Lauder 15:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
28 new 'useful and appropriate' categories in the last 2 days - look. -- roundhouse 18:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
I have now asked for advice on where to raise this issue: see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(assistance)#Where_to_seek_a_partial_ban_on_a_user. I think that after all the months of attempts to discuss the issue with PW, that there is no sensible alternative to a ban on PW making any edits n category space. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Please keep me informed on developments regarding this issue. Dr. Submillimeter 13:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Changed. That is my standard, and I've never had a problem with it before. How odd. Thank you! -- Ipstenu ( talk • contribs) 19:08, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
See [6] and [7] I would say this is the same editor trying to avoid 3RR, I'am not sure of the procedure to report this could you check it out.-- padraig3uk 21:24, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick note, I've responded to your proposal at the relevant cfd, please see if my statement in any way affects your position.
Truly, Carlossuarez46 22:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
I just noticed as you closed a CfD discussion! :) I think this is great news for the wider community, especially considering you don't necessarily follow the vehement deletionist leanings of some of our other admins. ~ Zythe Talk to me! 00:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
An affair in which I believe you are interested is being discussed here. Bishonen | talk 10:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC).
I was hoping to have a direct discussion with you about the cruiser categorization issue. WikiProject Ships has a categorization guideline for ship articles and categories. Articles on cruisers are categorized in the following way:
Cruiser class categories are categorized in the following way:
WikiProject Ships formerly put "Ships by country" categories on every single ship, but this was found to be redundant when their class category was already categorized by country. The "Ships by country" categories were becoming awful messes for ship types that are very numerous, like destroyers, and it was decided that list articles were a better way to go than adding many categories to each article.
WikiProject Ships also formerly categorized by navy, but this is considered redundant when categorizing by country as well, and is less clear to those unfamiliar with ships than categorizing by country. I would be in favor of merging navy categories into country categories, but there is significant opposition so for now they're separated. I agree that the situation is suboptimal.
Eventually articles that aren't categorized according to the WP:SHIPS guidelines will be fixed, but there are thousands of articles that need work and we have limits to what we're able to accomplish. I'm currently working on properly categorizing submarine articles and standardizing their infoboxes, but there's so much to do.
An organized system for categorizing these articles already exists, and adding cruiser subtype categories to each individual ship article is overcategorization. Please reconsider your votes to keep these newly-created redundant categories, as they appear to be made under the assumption that there is no categorization plan for ships, and that ships are not already categorized by class. If you have any questions about WP:SHIPS' categorization guidelines, I'd be happy to answer them. TomTheHand 15:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if you can help me out with the following article: Electoral (Amendment) Act 1974 basically what I would like to do with it would be to have constituencies in 1973 on the same line(s) as their successor constituencies in 1977. So for example rather than have North County Dublin (1973), Dublin North West, North County Dublin (1977), West County Dublin and Dublin Finglas all on 5 seperate lines, I would prefer to have only three lines, with the 1977 seats on the right and the 1973 constituencies on the left both in the middle of each line. Hope that makes sense.
Also I believe that rather than having 'Tullymander' redirect to the gerrymander article it would be better for it to redirect to the electoral amendment 1974 article. Is it possible to change the redirect? Thanks Valenciano 06:30, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
A number of admins (myself included) feel your block of Kittybrewster ( talk · contribs) was a bit excessive. I don't want to WP:WHEEL here so I thought I'd invite you back to the conversation before anything is done here.-- Isotope23 17:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Are you online? If so, I beg of you to put an immediate block on User:Tomizgcro. I am sure of the images he is presently uploading but he is continuously interfering with Croatian football player's country of birth. By taking out /Yugoslavia/ as he is doing, presumably on grounds of "personal preference, how he'd like it to have been", he is violating a respected code of historical accuracy. I warned him twice, he ignored it, I beg of you to deal with this. Thank you. Evlekis 18:53, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi, you participated a lot in this discussion and the second discussion on the same categories. The first discussion was closed as merge, despite there being, I think, I pretty clear concensus not to do so. However, the merger was carried out. Then the second discussion discussion was closed the other way, but that decision was not carried out. As a result, Category:Whaling stations of South Georgia no longer exists, and Category:Whaling stations of South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands both does exist and is oddly half tagged for renaming. I don't have time to do anything else about this right now, but something probably ought to be done, and I am hoping you can do it. Thanks a lot. Lesnail 20:37, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Also can you please reply on my talk page, since by the time I get back here your talk page will probably have been archived. Thanks. Lesnail 20:39, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to pick your brains again. I've been looking through the above category and found a number of people who I don't believe are notable. It seems that one editor has in good faith created a number of articles on SF candidates for 2007. Most if not all if them, I believe are not notable and should be deleted. Can you advise me of the procedure that I should follow as I've never nominated articles for deletion before and in this instance, there are over 30 articles involved
These were unsuccessful candidates, who don't seem to have held any kind of publically elected office at all Henry Cremin, Lynn Ní Bhaoighealláin, Liam Browne, Martin Kenny, Joanne Finnegan, Joanne Spain, Sorcha Nic Cormaic, Matt McCormack, Cristin McCauley, Threasa Bennitt, Felix Gallagher, Peter Lawlor (Sinn Féin), Kathleen Funchion, Shaun Tracey, Maurice Quinlivan, Anna Prior
These are only notable for being current/former local councillors - is that grounds for notability? I'm very dubious that it is? Joe Reilly, Séamus Morris, John Dwyer (Politician), Jonathan O'Brien, Paul Hogan (Irish political figure), Brian Stanley, Cionnaith Ó Súilleabháin, Dessie Ellis, Sandra McLellan, Jason Devlin, Anne Marie Carroll, Eoin Ó Broin, Daithí Doolan, Gerry Murray, David Cullinane, Larry O'Toole, Pádraig Mac Lochlainn, Pearse Doherty
Thanks again, Valenciano 21:43, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi there! I was closing some CFDs and hit an edit conflict with you. Since I was editing by page rather than by section, this overwrote your changes. But it turns out that our closings are identical, so this should not be a problem; I'll restore them if this bothers you. Cheers, >Radiant< 10:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm surprised by your closure of the above category, not least because in your summing up you introduced a whole new argument, for which no consensus had been sought or found within the discussion itself. Moreover, the argument is hardly "clear" (to use a term you favour): I'd say it was clearer that when Wikipedia:Categorization, for instance, talks of "large" categories, it means categories with over 200 members, such as for instance Category:Songs by artist.
Then again, as I've noted more than once, not only in this particular discussion but also for instance at Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion, there does seem a problem with the Wikipedia category system... And a marked reluctance to engage in discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion. (See also Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007 May 20#Category:Trinidadian painters and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 May 20#Category:Trinidadian artists.)
As someone who's been trying to ensure that the category system in at least one small corner of Wikipedia is at least minimally useful, I find running into these obstacles, including what seem at least on the surface at best arbitrary closures of so-called discussion, more than a little dispiriting. -- jbmurray ( talk| contribs) 11:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
And per the deletion review discussion, I apologize if I've given the impression I thought you weren't acting in good faith in the way in which you closed the debate. -- jbmurray ( talk| contribs) 14:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
"My great-grandfather was a notable scientist with a substantive DNB entry, but sadly has no article on wikipedia" - let me know who he was & I'll do one if you like (don't think that would qualify as meatpuppetry, since you'd have no input over the content of the article). I have the same problem with my brother, who does have a Wikipedia article, which is a mess of OR, inaccuracies and trivia that makes me cringe every time I look at it — iridescenti (talk to me!) 12:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi BrownHairedGirl. There has been a new category created for constituencies. Judging from the St Ives constituency page it looks like the creator intends to add it to all the pages on the list as well as each additional one as they are created. I have a few doubts about this but its not really my area so thats why I'm bringing it to you. Its not the actual categorisation that looks to be the problem but adding the Seven boxes in addition to the current one would fill up the page. Please take a look and see what you think. Thanks. Galloglass 12:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi BHG can you take a look at this article and see if you think its a rewriting/copy of this? The thing is even if it is a copy I'm not sure whether it is even copyrighted or that they would want to restrict its usage? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 13:56, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
It seemed to me that most of the comments on the block length were of the opinion that 1 week was too long. I considered refactoring it to 24 hours, but I figured it will be >24 hours by the time he returns to editing, and that is a sufficient amount of time away. If it any consolation, I will be watching closely to see what actions are taken now that he is unblocked. As I said on his talkpage when I unblocked him, he would appear to be quickly wearing out community patience here and a self-imposed moritorium on edits to those articles would be a very prudent idea. We'll see if he takes my advice.-- Isotope23 19:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)