While talk pages are generally a good place to discuss potentially controversial topics, serious and potentially defamatory claims still require
impeccable sources during said discussions. Please do not re-add your proposed additions without sources to back up your discussion starter.
Primefac (
talk)
16:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Administrators: Information which has been
oversighted was considered when this block was placed. Therefore the Oversight team or the
Arbitration Committeemust be consulted before this block can be removed. Administrators undoing oversight blocks without permission from an oversighter risk having their administrator rights removed by the Arbitration Committee (per
this announcement).
As I understand it, and probably
WP:BLP guides, something defamatory requires multiple, high quality
WP:reliable sources and would also need to show impact on the subject's life to show relevance in a
WP:BLP article.. That this is negative, BLP material that has been challenged and removed, you would need consensus to add it back, and you would need to discuss the sourcing without adding the content to discuss it. Oh, what @
Primefac: wrote above. You might might want to consider writing about some other subject for now. As Primefac is on the Committee, their guidance would be appreciated..
-- Deepfriedokra (
talk)
10:11, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply
If you want to discuss a defamatory claim of a living person, and do not have sources, you should not be specific about the claim itself. For example, "Vaush has been accused of some serious activities - can we add that in?" The response will invariably be "please provide RS". If a good-faith attempt to provide sources is made, then the discussion can continue, though it's generally best to keep the conversation general until such time as those sources are determined to be reliable. In my above hypothetical, providing a Reddit thread would simply result in a reply of "that isn't reliable" and (barring a lack of any other sources provided) result in no change to the article without it becoming "a problem" like the one that unfortunately led to your earlier block.
Primefac (
talk)
11:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply
While talk pages are generally a good place to discuss potentially controversial topics, serious and potentially defamatory claims still require
impeccable sources during said discussions. Please do not re-add your proposed additions without sources to back up your discussion starter.
Primefac (
talk)
16:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Administrators: Information which has been
oversighted was considered when this block was placed. Therefore the Oversight team or the
Arbitration Committeemust be consulted before this block can be removed. Administrators undoing oversight blocks without permission from an oversighter risk having their administrator rights removed by the Arbitration Committee (per
this announcement).
As I understand it, and probably
WP:BLP guides, something defamatory requires multiple, high quality
WP:reliable sources and would also need to show impact on the subject's life to show relevance in a
WP:BLP article.. That this is negative, BLP material that has been challenged and removed, you would need consensus to add it back, and you would need to discuss the sourcing without adding the content to discuss it. Oh, what @
Primefac: wrote above. You might might want to consider writing about some other subject for now. As Primefac is on the Committee, their guidance would be appreciated..
-- Deepfriedokra (
talk)
10:11, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply
If you want to discuss a defamatory claim of a living person, and do not have sources, you should not be specific about the claim itself. For example, "Vaush has been accused of some serious activities - can we add that in?" The response will invariably be "please provide RS". If a good-faith attempt to provide sources is made, then the discussion can continue, though it's generally best to keep the conversation general until such time as those sources are determined to be reliable. In my above hypothetical, providing a Reddit thread would simply result in a reply of "that isn't reliable" and (barring a lack of any other sources provided) result in no change to the article without it becoming "a problem" like the one that unfortunately led to your earlier block.
Primefac (
talk)
11:12, 27 December 2023 (UTC)reply