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Happy editing! Longhair\ talk 10:28, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
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Next time please discuss your changes and stop disruptive editing. It is not about the source, but how unprofessional it is. Evidently, it looks like vandalism. [[User:|Merangs]] ( talk) 12:46, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Merangs: If you tell me where the mistakes are, I just correct them. I corrected the ones I found. -- Beaest ( talk) 13:06, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello Beaest,
It's nice to work with you on
Italian War of 1494–1495. The additions you have made, especially about the Siege of Novara in 1495, and the role of Beatrice d'Este in it, are very interesting. However, as you pointed out, few modern historians mention it. I could hardly find any information on it apart from what you have provided at
Italian War of 1494–1495#Siege of Novara, and in related articles about
Beatrice d'Este#The siege of Novara,
Ludovico Sforza#The siege of Novara and
Louis XII#Early wars. On the other hand, there is a lot of overlap in information in these four sections, and the long quotes are a bit detailed for articles that are not primarily about the battle itself. What do you think about creating a separate article for the Siege of Novara itself, where you can put all the details you can find, and link to this article from these four sections, as well as from other pages and the
Template:Campaignbox Italian War of 1494–1498? That way, you've got all the space you need to devote to the details of the battle and the people involved in it, to give them the place in history which they arguably deserve. If you like, I can help you with setting this article up. I've got a lot of experience in writing about military history and women's history, which may come in handy. Please let me know what you think. Ciao,
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08:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
In Italy, only two people of the Renaissance are very famous, namely Lorenzo de 'Medici and Isabella d'Este. This is not because they were two exceptional people, but because historians have been concerned with enhancing them above all, to the detriment of others. Lorenzo did not have all this power that people believe: just think that the archfamous peace of Naples, for which he is still acclaimed today as the king of diplomacy, was a substantial failure. Florence, on the point of being conquered by the Neapolitans, was not saved by the peace of Lorenzo, but by the arrival of the Turks who besieged Otranto and forced the king of Naples to recall the army from Tuscany. Is this what Lorenzo's biographers say? No. Very few historians recognize his failure. I can say the same for Isabella: she was undoubtedly a great patron and she was valued by historians precisely for her role as a patron woman. But apart from collecting works of art, what did she do that was great? They praise her because she was regent of Mantua for two / three years, but they do not say that practically all of her wives were regents of their states in the absence of their husbands. It would have been exceptional for a woman to govern her state in the presence of her husband, as did Eleonora d'Aragona, mother of Isabella, for example. Yet everyone talks about Isabella, not Eleonora. From this a vicious circle followed, because having made known only Isabella in Italy and abroad, contemporary authors continue to write rewrite biographies about her, recycling the same material, to have a guaranteed income, and do not let others know. women. Therefore they could not praise Beatrice as head of state, because Isabella had to be the excellent housekeeper, they could not praise Beatrice as the head of fashion (and she was already so long before her elder sister!) Because Isabella had to be the one copied by all the noblewomen, nor would they ever have been able to recognize Beatrice's courage and her part in reviving the course of the war, because Isabella, on the contrary, was a fearful woman, I do not know that she has never militarily supported her husband or set foot in a military camp. Their tactic was therefore to belittle Beatrice and hide her qualities in order to make Isabella look like the queen of the Renaissance and profit from it. Anyway, in an hour or two I'll create the siege page so we can work on it. Beaest ( talk) 11:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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Hi Beaest! I noticed your contributions to Ludovico Sforza and wanted to welcome you to the Wikipedia community. I hope you like it here and decide to stay.
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Happy editing! Longhair\ talk 10:28, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Please stop your
disruptive editing.
If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing.
Next time please discuss your changes and stop disruptive editing. It is not about the source, but how unprofessional it is. Evidently, it looks like vandalism. [[User:|Merangs]] ( talk) 12:46, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Merangs: If you tell me where the mistakes are, I just correct them. I corrected the ones I found. -- Beaest ( talk) 13:06, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello Beaest,
It's nice to work with you on
Italian War of 1494–1495. The additions you have made, especially about the Siege of Novara in 1495, and the role of Beatrice d'Este in it, are very interesting. However, as you pointed out, few modern historians mention it. I could hardly find any information on it apart from what you have provided at
Italian War of 1494–1495#Siege of Novara, and in related articles about
Beatrice d'Este#The siege of Novara,
Ludovico Sforza#The siege of Novara and
Louis XII#Early wars. On the other hand, there is a lot of overlap in information in these four sections, and the long quotes are a bit detailed for articles that are not primarily about the battle itself. What do you think about creating a separate article for the Siege of Novara itself, where you can put all the details you can find, and link to this article from these four sections, as well as from other pages and the
Template:Campaignbox Italian War of 1494–1498? That way, you've got all the space you need to devote to the details of the battle and the people involved in it, to give them the place in history which they arguably deserve. If you like, I can help you with setting this article up. I've got a lot of experience in writing about military history and women's history, which may come in handy. Please let me know what you think. Ciao,
Nederlandse Leeuw (
talk)
08:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
In Italy, only two people of the Renaissance are very famous, namely Lorenzo de 'Medici and Isabella d'Este. This is not because they were two exceptional people, but because historians have been concerned with enhancing them above all, to the detriment of others. Lorenzo did not have all this power that people believe: just think that the archfamous peace of Naples, for which he is still acclaimed today as the king of diplomacy, was a substantial failure. Florence, on the point of being conquered by the Neapolitans, was not saved by the peace of Lorenzo, but by the arrival of the Turks who besieged Otranto and forced the king of Naples to recall the army from Tuscany. Is this what Lorenzo's biographers say? No. Very few historians recognize his failure. I can say the same for Isabella: she was undoubtedly a great patron and she was valued by historians precisely for her role as a patron woman. But apart from collecting works of art, what did she do that was great? They praise her because she was regent of Mantua for two / three years, but they do not say that practically all of her wives were regents of their states in the absence of their husbands. It would have been exceptional for a woman to govern her state in the presence of her husband, as did Eleonora d'Aragona, mother of Isabella, for example. Yet everyone talks about Isabella, not Eleonora. From this a vicious circle followed, because having made known only Isabella in Italy and abroad, contemporary authors continue to write rewrite biographies about her, recycling the same material, to have a guaranteed income, and do not let others know. women. Therefore they could not praise Beatrice as head of state, because Isabella had to be the excellent housekeeper, they could not praise Beatrice as the head of fashion (and she was already so long before her elder sister!) Because Isabella had to be the one copied by all the noblewomen, nor would they ever have been able to recognize Beatrice's courage and her part in reviving the course of the war, because Isabella, on the contrary, was a fearful woman, I do not know that she has never militarily supported her husband or set foot in a military camp. Their tactic was therefore to belittle Beatrice and hide her qualities in order to make Isabella look like the queen of the Renaissance and profit from it. Anyway, in an hour or two I'll create the siege page so we can work on it. Beaest ( talk) 11:22, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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