[This entry consists of the introduction to my Mark Satin "Featured Article" nomination d. 6 January 2012, followed by my responses to Dank's, Noleander's, Brian's, and Jim's comments from November and December of 2011. - Babel41 ( talk) 02:43, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
I am nominating this biography (touching on Vietnam War-era draft dodging, New Age politics, and radical centrism) for featured article status because it has been carefully developed over time. This is its third FAC review. I first nominated it five months ago (August 11). In October I put it through a productive peer review. In November I re-nominated it here, but withdrew it (to save Wikipedia editors time and trouble) after I realized that all the editors were saying essentially the same thing: I needed to make sure the article was written in what one called the Wikipedia "house style." I have now done that - simplified words, shortened sentences, etc.
After the two brief notes below, I reprint 31 comments (from four editors) that I received during my second FAC review. Instead of responding to them there, I wrote a brief note saying I'd review my entire article with the spirit of those comments in mind. Now that I've done that, I have inserted responses after each of the comments below, to give you a better sense of how I've changed the article. (I responded to Nikkimaria's comments during my second FAC review, and you can see those and the entire second FAC review here.)
Note on citation style. I have retained the style I used in a 2005 revision (my original 2004 stub contained no references). It is a composite with the following major features: (1) first name before surname, as in the Bluebook; (2) all commas until the period at the end, as in the Bluebook; (3) no parentheses around dates or publishers (except around years of journals), as in the MLA Handbook; and (4) "p." or "pp." before page numbers, as is the practice of some American publishers.
Note on links in the "References" section. I have linked authors and publishers here only if they are not linked anywhere in the text or in the "Publications" section; and I have only linked authors or publishers here on first mention.
I would appreciate your reactions to the article, and I will respond to them here. - Babel41 ( talk) 22:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
NOVEMBER-DECEMBER COMMENTS, JANUARY RESPONSES:
[Dank comments] - I've copyedited this a couple of times. It's different, but all good biographies are different, and they're a welcome addition at FAC, I think. - Dank ( push to talk) 14:13, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
[End of Dank's comments.]
Noleander comments - I spent some time reading it, and I'm having a hard time finding any suggestions for improvement. Great article!
End of Noleander comments. -- Noleander ( talk) 15:14, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Comments [from Brian]: This looks an interesting and comprehensive article. I note that it has been through FAC before, and more recently underwent an extensive peer review. However, in reading through the first few sections I identified a number of issues which I think require further attention:
Lead
The lead's function is that of a broad outline summary of the main article, and at present I think there is too much detail, for example in the following extract: "Satin wrote the book New Age Politics, published by Dell in 1979. Despite what some see as its off-putting title, New Age Politics is widely recognized as the first, most ambitious, or most adequate attempt to construct an original political ideology out of the social movements of the post-Vietnam era. It identifies an emergent "third force" in North America pursuing such goals as simple living, decentralism, and global responsibility." For the purposes of the lead I would reduce this to: "Satin wrote New Age Politics, in which he identifies an emergent "third force" in North America, pursuing such goals as simple living, decentralism, and global responsibility." Likewise in the third paragraph, there is scope for summarisation.
Early years
Toronto Anti-Draft Programme
Manual for Draft-Age Immigrants to Canada
That is all I have time for at present. I will try to add comments on the rest, but it looks to me as though a little more work is necessary before this article is ready for promotion. Brianboulton ( talk) 23:32, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Comments from Jim You've put a good deal of work into this, but I feel there are still some issues with the text — I know nothing about the content.
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[End of Jim's comments.] - Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
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I'm here to help, and IMNSHO, I can help. You're clearly a brilliant writer, you clearly know your subject, and it's not inconceivable that the article will pass FAC, but please understand a couple of things about FAC:
Babel, I will end the edit war under three conditions:
1) The word "coward" must be in The "Assessment" section; 2) No association of Satin to Benjamin Franklin; 3) Keep the change where I removed your characterization of Ann Coulter as a "militant" which anyone with a sensible mind should know is a libelous terminology of that woman. She is only a right wing political commentator, not a "militant".
Let's work together on this. I am a reasonable person, and I hope you are, too.-- Michael W. Parker ( talk) 11:25, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
- Dank ( push to talk) 19:43, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
No need to try to answer the question on my talk page, she just wanted to make it clear what her position is. We'll probably get a few reviews on your article within a week or two. - Dank ( push to talk) 00:36, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry that didn't go as I hoped; this must be very frustrating. - Dank ( push to talk) 04:06, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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Dear Dank, Brianboulton, Ealdgyth, Ed, Jimfbleak, Nikkimaria, and Noleander, - I could not have brought the Mark Satin bio up to Featured Article status without the unique contributions (not to mention tact and patience) of each of you. I am probably two to three times your age, and not at home with this technology. But working with you gave me a glimpse of a beautiful 21st century world in which individual initiative, collectively honed, can produce socially (in)valuable work that is also first-rate. God bless! - Babel41 ( talk) 23:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC) |
Actually, Dank, I can't even begin to express my debt to you. At least the Barnstar is a pretty picture. - Babel41 ( talk) 06:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
If you are three times my age, you are the world record-holder by a very considerable margin. But thank you for your generous tribute, and congratulations on bringing this fine aticle to featured status. I look forward to its future mainpage appearance. Brianboulton ( talk) 10:05, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
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No, I understand completely. I've left Carol a note. Looking forward to more of your wonderful articles ... let me know when they hit the review processes (WP:GAN, WP:MHR, etc.) - Dank ( push to talk) 11:23, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
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Babel41 Apologies in advance for any violation of guidelines here. I am learning the process You made edits on the following article: /info/en/?search=Radical_centrist#Organizations%20. Specifically you made a comment that the organization link www.JustStreetSense.com was a promo site. I happen to know that it is a legitimate organizational site of the Centrist Foundation. There are no ads or anything to suggest it is a promo site. I am requesting you check it out and restore that site's listing on this page. Thank you in advance abraham 02:46, 21 March 2014 (UTC)amadha0719 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amadha0719 ( talk • contribs)
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Mark Satin
Thank you, user who wants to change the world, for your quality article
Mark Satin, with political perspectives on "an emerging culture focused on simple living, decentralism, and global responsibility", for detailed edit summaries with the mantra "adding material" - you are an
awesome Wikipedian!
Five years ago, you were recipient no. 1087 of Precious, a prize of QAI! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:55, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
After engaging in an edit war of sorts with the author of this interesting, albeit politically polarizing, article about the draft dodger Mark Satin it seems that Babel41 has given some ground and so have I and a mutual understanding has been reached. I will no longer try to "degrade" this article. I see that certain changes that I requested have been made, to-wit:
1) The correlation between Satin and Benjamin Franklin has been removed, as well as Ben's picture.
2) The libelous definition of Ann Coulter has been changed to my satisfaction.
I will acquiesce to the author's request that Satin not be called a "coward". I guess that it just my opinion. I don't hate the guy I just disagree with his choice. Certainly Mr. Satin doesn't believe he deserves that title, nor does the author of the Mark Satin article who vehemently opposed my desire to have that word inserted into the article.
Thank you, Babel41, for being a reasonable person with whom I could reach agreement. It is not my policy to degrade articles. My mission is to improve articles and I think I have succeeded.-- Michael W. Parker ( talk) 16:51, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
I applaud you, Babel, for making this change to the article. I was relieved when you correctly ascertained that tens of millions, if not a clear majority of Americans, whether they donned a uniform in combat or not, may feel differently about Satin and the choice he made to not serve his country in wartime. The Vietnam War was a tumultuous time, and he was a very young man, so I very clearly understand why he made the difficult choice he did. Your edit enhances your article rather than detract from it because it is historically correct. I don't have any more edits for the article - it is perfect as it stands. EditorExtraordinaire ( talk) 08:11, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with Ben Franklin being in the article either. Like an idiot I didn't realize how important Franklin was to Satin's cause having not researched Satin at all (unlike you) prior to first reading your article. I am a relative beginner on Wiki and unfortunately most of my blunders have been in how I've dealt with the Satin article. On the other 600+ edits I've done I simply did my thing (which is almost always accepted and kept in the articles) and went on my merry way to the next edit. On the Satin article, instead of working with you in a civil manner, I let my emotions get in the way and just barged straight ahead like a bull in a china shop. I sincerely apologize for my actions, to include stressing a frail senior citizen. I was properly punished: several admins kicked my derriere all the way down the hall. By the way, I am not a spring chicken either so in this ordeal I have imparted stress upon myself! It is time for us both to relax. EditorExtraordinaire ( talk) 09:05, 17 January 2015 (UTC) (formerly Parker)
Hi Babel41. I read through the points you left in my talk page and I was kinda going to action them but then I noticed the part where some links were removed for preparation for the front page and your comment that consistency is important there... then my last revert and subsequent edits by you. So I'm not sure at this point that I want to be reverting wholesale without first making sure you're OK with that. Or, have you excised all the problematic content? Let me know, I'm watching your talk page. I just don't want to make things worse! § FreeRangeFrog croak 16:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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[This entry consists of the introduction to my Mark Satin "Featured Article" nomination d. 6 January 2012, followed by my responses to Dank's, Noleander's, Brian's, and Jim's comments from November and December of 2011. - Babel41 ( talk) 02:43, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
I am nominating this biography (touching on Vietnam War-era draft dodging, New Age politics, and radical centrism) for featured article status because it has been carefully developed over time. This is its third FAC review. I first nominated it five months ago (August 11). In October I put it through a productive peer review. In November I re-nominated it here, but withdrew it (to save Wikipedia editors time and trouble) after I realized that all the editors were saying essentially the same thing: I needed to make sure the article was written in what one called the Wikipedia "house style." I have now done that - simplified words, shortened sentences, etc.
After the two brief notes below, I reprint 31 comments (from four editors) that I received during my second FAC review. Instead of responding to them there, I wrote a brief note saying I'd review my entire article with the spirit of those comments in mind. Now that I've done that, I have inserted responses after each of the comments below, to give you a better sense of how I've changed the article. (I responded to Nikkimaria's comments during my second FAC review, and you can see those and the entire second FAC review here.)
Note on citation style. I have retained the style I used in a 2005 revision (my original 2004 stub contained no references). It is a composite with the following major features: (1) first name before surname, as in the Bluebook; (2) all commas until the period at the end, as in the Bluebook; (3) no parentheses around dates or publishers (except around years of journals), as in the MLA Handbook; and (4) "p." or "pp." before page numbers, as is the practice of some American publishers.
Note on links in the "References" section. I have linked authors and publishers here only if they are not linked anywhere in the text or in the "Publications" section; and I have only linked authors or publishers here on first mention.
I would appreciate your reactions to the article, and I will respond to them here. - Babel41 ( talk) 22:41, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
NOVEMBER-DECEMBER COMMENTS, JANUARY RESPONSES:
[Dank comments] - I've copyedited this a couple of times. It's different, but all good biographies are different, and they're a welcome addition at FAC, I think. - Dank ( push to talk) 14:13, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
[End of Dank's comments.]
Noleander comments - I spent some time reading it, and I'm having a hard time finding any suggestions for improvement. Great article!
End of Noleander comments. -- Noleander ( talk) 15:14, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Comments [from Brian]: This looks an interesting and comprehensive article. I note that it has been through FAC before, and more recently underwent an extensive peer review. However, in reading through the first few sections I identified a number of issues which I think require further attention:
Lead
The lead's function is that of a broad outline summary of the main article, and at present I think there is too much detail, for example in the following extract: "Satin wrote the book New Age Politics, published by Dell in 1979. Despite what some see as its off-putting title, New Age Politics is widely recognized as the first, most ambitious, or most adequate attempt to construct an original political ideology out of the social movements of the post-Vietnam era. It identifies an emergent "third force" in North America pursuing such goals as simple living, decentralism, and global responsibility." For the purposes of the lead I would reduce this to: "Satin wrote New Age Politics, in which he identifies an emergent "third force" in North America, pursuing such goals as simple living, decentralism, and global responsibility." Likewise in the third paragraph, there is scope for summarisation.
Early years
Toronto Anti-Draft Programme
Manual for Draft-Age Immigrants to Canada
That is all I have time for at present. I will try to add comments on the rest, but it looks to me as though a little more work is necessary before this article is ready for promotion. Brianboulton ( talk) 23:32, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
Comments from Jim You've put a good deal of work into this, but I feel there are still some issues with the text — I know nothing about the content.
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[End of Jim's comments.] - Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
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I'm here to help, and IMNSHO, I can help. You're clearly a brilliant writer, you clearly know your subject, and it's not inconceivable that the article will pass FAC, but please understand a couple of things about FAC:
Babel, I will end the edit war under three conditions:
1) The word "coward" must be in The "Assessment" section; 2) No association of Satin to Benjamin Franklin; 3) Keep the change where I removed your characterization of Ann Coulter as a "militant" which anyone with a sensible mind should know is a libelous terminology of that woman. She is only a right wing political commentator, not a "militant".
Let's work together on this. I am a reasonable person, and I hope you are, too.-- Michael W. Parker ( talk) 11:25, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
- Dank ( push to talk) 19:43, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
No need to try to answer the question on my talk page, she just wanted to make it clear what her position is. We'll probably get a few reviews on your article within a week or two. - Dank ( push to talk) 00:36, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry that didn't go as I hoped; this must be very frustrating. - Dank ( push to talk) 04:06, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
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After winning a "Featured Article" award, as my Mark Satin article did on February 16, 2012, it is customary for the nominator or principal author to send a customized "barnstar" to the Wikipedia editors who helped bring the article up to snuff. I thought you'd enjoy seeing the barnstar I sent them, along with some of their replies:
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Dear Dank, Brianboulton, Ealdgyth, Ed, Jimfbleak, Nikkimaria, and Noleander, - I could not have brought the Mark Satin bio up to Featured Article status without the unique contributions (not to mention tact and patience) of each of you. I am probably two to three times your age, and not at home with this technology. But working with you gave me a glimpse of a beautiful 21st century world in which individual initiative, collectively honed, can produce socially (in)valuable work that is also first-rate. God bless! - Babel41 ( talk) 23:48, 16 February 2012 (UTC) |
Actually, Dank, I can't even begin to express my debt to you. At least the Barnstar is a pretty picture. - Babel41 ( talk) 06:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
If you are three times my age, you are the world record-holder by a very considerable margin. But thank you for your generous tribute, and congratulations on bringing this fine aticle to featured status. I look forward to its future mainpage appearance. Brianboulton ( talk) 10:05, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Also, from the Featured Articles administrator:
Thanks guys. - Babel41 ( talk) 04:15, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
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No, I understand completely. I've left Carol a note. Looking forward to more of your wonderful articles ... let me know when they hit the review processes (WP:GAN, WP:MHR, etc.) - Dank ( push to talk) 11:23, 23 February 2013 (UTC)
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Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Draft dodgers being counseled 1967.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on May 14, 2013. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2013-05-14. — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 23:42, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
Babel41 Apologies in advance for any violation of guidelines here. I am learning the process You made edits on the following article: /info/en/?search=Radical_centrist#Organizations%20. Specifically you made a comment that the organization link www.JustStreetSense.com was a promo site. I happen to know that it is a legitimate organizational site of the Centrist Foundation. There are no ads or anything to suggest it is a promo site. I am requesting you check it out and restore that site's listing on this page. Thank you in advance abraham 02:46, 21 March 2014 (UTC)amadha0719 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amadha0719 ( talk • contribs)
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Mark Satin
Thank you, user who wants to change the world, for your quality article
Mark Satin, with political perspectives on "an emerging culture focused on simple living, decentralism, and global responsibility", for detailed edit summaries with the mantra "adding material" - you are an
awesome Wikipedian!
Five years ago, you were recipient no. 1087 of Precious, a prize of QAI! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:55, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
After engaging in an edit war of sorts with the author of this interesting, albeit politically polarizing, article about the draft dodger Mark Satin it seems that Babel41 has given some ground and so have I and a mutual understanding has been reached. I will no longer try to "degrade" this article. I see that certain changes that I requested have been made, to-wit:
1) The correlation between Satin and Benjamin Franklin has been removed, as well as Ben's picture.
2) The libelous definition of Ann Coulter has been changed to my satisfaction.
I will acquiesce to the author's request that Satin not be called a "coward". I guess that it just my opinion. I don't hate the guy I just disagree with his choice. Certainly Mr. Satin doesn't believe he deserves that title, nor does the author of the Mark Satin article who vehemently opposed my desire to have that word inserted into the article.
Thank you, Babel41, for being a reasonable person with whom I could reach agreement. It is not my policy to degrade articles. My mission is to improve articles and I think I have succeeded.-- Michael W. Parker ( talk) 16:51, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
I applaud you, Babel, for making this change to the article. I was relieved when you correctly ascertained that tens of millions, if not a clear majority of Americans, whether they donned a uniform in combat or not, may feel differently about Satin and the choice he made to not serve his country in wartime. The Vietnam War was a tumultuous time, and he was a very young man, so I very clearly understand why he made the difficult choice he did. Your edit enhances your article rather than detract from it because it is historically correct. I don't have any more edits for the article - it is perfect as it stands. EditorExtraordinaire ( talk) 08:11, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with Ben Franklin being in the article either. Like an idiot I didn't realize how important Franklin was to Satin's cause having not researched Satin at all (unlike you) prior to first reading your article. I am a relative beginner on Wiki and unfortunately most of my blunders have been in how I've dealt with the Satin article. On the other 600+ edits I've done I simply did my thing (which is almost always accepted and kept in the articles) and went on my merry way to the next edit. On the Satin article, instead of working with you in a civil manner, I let my emotions get in the way and just barged straight ahead like a bull in a china shop. I sincerely apologize for my actions, to include stressing a frail senior citizen. I was properly punished: several admins kicked my derriere all the way down the hall. By the way, I am not a spring chicken either so in this ordeal I have imparted stress upon myself! It is time for us both to relax. EditorExtraordinaire ( talk) 09:05, 17 January 2015 (UTC) (formerly Parker)
Hi Babel41. I read through the points you left in my talk page and I was kinda going to action them but then I noticed the part where some links were removed for preparation for the front page and your comment that consistency is important there... then my last revert and subsequent edits by you. So I'm not sure at this point that I want to be reverting wholesale without first making sure you're OK with that. Or, have you excised all the problematic content? Let me know, I'm watching your talk page. I just don't want to make things worse! § FreeRangeFrog croak 16:58, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Babel 41. Just some friendly advice. That was quite a bit of wall-of-text you posted at WT:WPSCH/AG, which others might not be too willing to wade through from start to finish per WP:TLDR. As someone who tends to write walls-of-text, you might be better served to try and summarize your argument(s) a bit better to make it easier for others to digest. Also, I'd consider choosing more a neutrally worded section heading the next time around since the main discussion about the use of these galleries is not policy/guideline-compliant, which seems like a compelling of enough reason to me. Finally, referring to anything article related on Wikipedia as "my so and so" usually inevitably leads to WP:OWN being brought up. There is really no "my anything" Wikipedia per se and WP:CONSENSUS is what basically determines things, so try and keep that it mind. The thread has been archived, so perhaps consider adding any further comments either on the article talk page or to the "Pictures in alumni sections" as suggested by John from Idegone.
I just am going to add while I can understand feeling frustrated after putting so much time and effort into that particular section, it's best to try and not see this as a battle to be won or lost. Everyone who has commented in that discussion is WP:HERE for the same purpose. There may be disagreements as to how to achieve that purpose, but in the end it will be consensus which determines the outcome. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
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