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I should not have made that comment, since we are not supposed to talk about other editors. But what I meant by it is that you have now told us that you have a strong POV here - that your edits and comments are aimed at trying to prove something. You are entitled to your beliefs - we all have them - but most of us try to do our editing from a purely encyclopedic viewpoint. (I personally have been accused of being both a Trump apologist and a Trump hater, which I assume means I have succeeded in keeping my editing neutral.) it can be helpful for others to know whether another editor is coming from a neutral or a POV angle. Anyhow, I was out of line to say that on a public talk page, and I have struck the comment. If you would prefer, I will delete it, along with our replies. -- MelanieN ( talk) 21:50, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
I would like to get Fusion GPS to GA status too! That's a great idea. I noticed that you mentioned it in the article talk page. -- FeralOink ( talk) 05:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Hei! Um I feel as if my Userboxes are sorta all over the place and was wondering, if you don't mind, if you could organise them for me or tell me how I can myself? I want to keep them in the order they do going down so I don't want any side by side so can you tell me how? Dinah In Wonderland 13:22, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Si it does grazie! Dinah In Wonderland 14:07, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Re your question on Doc James' talkpage. I see exactly where you're coming from and I don't want to butt in there but briefly will say that I suspect a) he doesn't particularly want to get involved in US politics and b) it isn't a MEDRS question at all. The law has a concept where public figures are not protected by the same rules of privacy that most of us are, and this falls squarely in that category. It's not spelled out in the BLP guidelines but what I've seen is that articles on political and other public figures tend to follow the sources rather this way -- i.e. without restriction. If it is appropriate I may copy this comment back to his talkpage later. ☆ Bri ( talk) 02:09, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
You really should drop the stick now on Jared Taylor. Power~enwiki ( talk) 17:27, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
You've been threatening me and other editors for days on the Jared Taylor talk page, in an obvious attempt to intimidate, without cause. I don't know what your endgame is and I don't care. Either report me and every editor you've threatened to a neutral administrator, or knock off the threats. The third course of action, which is to continue your veiled unfounded threats, is what I fully expect you to take, because your agenda in supporting the whitewashing of a white supremacist's article is obvious, and the MO of online anonymous supporters of white supremacists matches your recent actions exactly. Time to put up or shut up. Rockypedia ( talk) 23:47, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Your edits to that article are clearly not NPOV. Discuss it before reverting again. Rockypedia ( talk) 01:14, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Since you obviously have a lot of experience with wikipedia, I'm curious if you know: Is it against wikipedia rules to repeatedly accuse someone of being a "sockpuppet" without proof, as Rockypedia has been doing with me simply because he doesn't like my opinions? 24.178.250.78 ( talk) 02:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
You're scaring me, Rockypedia - your comments and disruption, your trolling me, your accusations against other edits - I'd prefer it if you'd keep a safe distance away from me. You are not welcome here. Atsme 📞 📧 04:11, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
As a friendly note regarding, but unrelated to your recent post at WP:DRV, I found an animated GIF regarding Trump here. Also, I don't mind that you brought the discussion to DRV, just so you know. Just some humor here... Regards, North America 1000 08:06, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Good work on Talk:Jared Taylor. The folks over there just keep claiming that if it's in a RS, it belongs in the article. They don't accept that opinions and facts are different things, or that BLPs have strict requirements for fairness. Such a pity. Lou Sander ( talk) 23:01, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Nblund, let's look at the lead sentence in Hitler:
"Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ] (About this sound listen); 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was a German politician who was the leader of the Nazi Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; NSDAP), Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945, and Führer ("Leader") of Nazi Germany from 1934 to 1945. As dictator, he initiated World War II in Europe with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and was central to the Holocaust.
Now compare it to Jared Taylor's lead sentences:
Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white nationalist and white supremacist. He is the founder and editor of American Renaissance, a magazine often described as a white supremacist publication.
Taylor was hit 3 times in the first two sentences with derogatory labels stated in Wiki voice as factual information when they are actually the opinions of detractors or his opposition, if you will.
Back to Hitler, the article doesn't say in Wiki voice that Hitler was a murdering anti-Semite and a white supremacist who promoted conspiracy theories, does it? Those are tabloid labels, not academic or encyclopedic and not even close to ethical journalism.
Those are all provable facts. The events actually took place and are documented in multiple history books and magazines with photos dating back when journalism followed a code of ethics unlike the political pundits, propagandists and bait & click authors of the internet generation. That's why editors should excercise caution when editing a BLP and finding RS to cite. Manson is the same way, so no need to dissect it.
The 2016 political campaign brought a lot of negativity. Those who stood to benefit politically and financially from race baiting, took advantage of it. The SPLC & ADL aren't immune from such antics, and neither are academics. See the last paragraphs in the Britannica, [2]. They simply don't pass the acid test for us to use as statements of fact in Wiki voice. For example, Leonard Zeskind, a lifetime member of the NAACP, is cited as a RS in the article. Biased sources can be RS, but not for this BLP. Carol M. Swain is also cited and she wrote an op-ed in WaPo "calling for the Republican Party to offer a formal apology to American citizens of African descent for the institution of slavery." Does she represent NPOV, or do you think there might be some bias involved there, too?
One sentence using a value-laden label one time in an article does not a white supremacist make. One quote I remember seeing was that Taylor believes some races excel in areas where others may not. <----is that proof that he's a white supremacist? I also read where he believes Japanese excel in math. Uh oh, what does that do to white supremacy? Maybe you should read this article in The Atlantic. Should we now label The Atlantic a white supremacist publication, or do we excuse them for that one time, or heck, maybe the article is informative and factual, then what?
Also check out WP:PSCI if you're proposing inclusion of anything pseudoscientific in the article, and don't be surprised if we suddenly find that article under DS for both BLP and PSCI - and it won't be my first rodeo. Editors should look at every article they create or edit as being representative of the quality and integrity people expect from a world renowned encyclopedia. WP isn't a soapbox or a place to right great wrongs. We're here to write factual information and opinions that we can attribute to RS, and when the time comes that a statement or the whole damn article is controversial and will ultimately be challenged, why not prepare in advance by using in-line text attribution while making sure our sources are of the highest quality for a BLP, and that the information is verifiable in the sources we're using? Why not? It's just that simple. Atsme 📞 📧 00:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I noticed the 3RR thread. Please keep it cool in relation to the Jared article. When consensus isn't on our side it can be frustrating. Sometimes it's good to let the spice (and tea) flow a bit... You seem to be a reasonable person and experienced editor and I liked reading the sensitive yet convivial thread at Mjolnir's talk page, so I know you've not lost your calm yet. Just a friendly reminder and encouragement to keep it despite the tribulations . Have a good day, — Paleo Neonate – 11:57, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Please note my warning on my page, in response to your own post, that you may be topic banned from American politics if you persist in disruptive behaviour in the area. [3] Bishonen | talk 15:03, 14 August 2017 (UTC).
I chimed in on your comment at Kudpung's talkpage but thought it deserved more explanation. Over time I've decided not to become involved in WP pages about subjects I feel especially strongly about. In some cases I've even decided to back off from certain areas of my own volition after I realize it is too close to me. This includes US politics in general. It's a tough thing and also over time, I've seen other editors get burnt out with involvement in the arena of politics. Just a word of caution, not trying to steer you in any particular direction at all. ☆ Bri ( talk) 22:47, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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I saw all the past discussions so I'm giving you this panda I made. If you don't mind me asking what exactly happend? Dinah In Wonderland 17:25, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
🤣😆🐼 - it's unbelievable, Dinah. Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Fyddlestix and User:Rockypedia reported by User:Atsme (Result: Declined.) Editors are like a Bic lighter...disposable - toss 'em when their usefulness wears out or if they accidentally wander into forbidden territory and try to remove some of the weeds. If you see a Wikipedia:Attack page or WP:Coatrack enter at your own risk, even if you see blatant noncompliance with BLP which is a policy that says one thing, but if you do it, your ass may end-up being blocked for edit warring, even if you're not. You'll find that some articles have a high level of immunity, so unless you agree with what you're seeing on the page and want to add more derogatory information, no problem, you'll probably be welcomed there. I highly recommend that you spend some time at The Museum where you can stroll the long halls of parody lined with lots of pictures and witty captions. Enjoy. Atsme 📞 📧 18:25, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Ah thanks. Don't undertsand much if what you said (Just got up Not to long ago) but when I do I'll need your warning and read through all of them. Dinah In Wonderland 18:28, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Btw I'm thinking of changing my signature from Dinah In Wonderland . Any suggestions? Dinah In Wonderland 18:30, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Hm cool. I kinda want mine to be purple any suggestions on how to do that? Dinah In Wonderland 18:34, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks and I found one! How's ♠Dinah♠ ? Dinah In Wonderland 18:48, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
But I need something for my user talk... I thought about using the Italian flag but it didn't Look right per say... Dinah In Wonderland 19:28, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Dinah In Wonderland 20:27, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
I do believe this works si? ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 20:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
✅ Sure does! Atsme 📞 📧 20:38, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
And uh no need for me to paste it. I use mobile view so I can just type it up. Thanks for your help. ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 20:40, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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I hardly ever use emoticons, or even joke around when I'm engaging in a discussion that captures my interest. I just want you to know not to take that as evidence that I'm getting upset or annoyed. In truth, the more polemical and humorless I appear to be, the more I'm enjoying myself.
That's probably the reason why all my buddies in the Army thought I was a total masochist: I only ever joked around when we were doing something with an extremely high pucker factor, or that just plain sucked. Or when we were bored, a habit that caught me no end of grief from our CO. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Atsme,
I hope you don't have any major problems with this revision. In future, please be sure to propose RFCs as neutrally as it could be executed. After-all the Comments & Discussion section exists for your views on the topic! Cheers:) Winged Blades Godric 11:35, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Atsme, In case you are interested. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 10:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Random Nerds. Nikkimaria ( talk) 18:48, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm about to turn in For the night but I wanted to ask; what do you do when if you ask a question and a random editor brings up some mistake you made in the past on the wrong page instead of awnsering your question? I didn't want to bring this to a other admin but I'm just wondering. Dinah In Wonderland 21:27, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Ah thank you! That helped and I'll keep it in mind! Dinah In Wonderland 13:02, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Atsme, I've noticed on the endless debates about labels that you're taking a strong stand for neutral language. I'm trying to prepare a wikipedia essay right now along these lines. The goal is to coalesce the argument for avoiding subjective labels in wikivoice even when widely used by RSes.
I invite you to feel free to jump in and edit. -- Nanite ( talk) 20:44, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for trying to help with headings in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Underwater diving/archive1, but I've had to revert your changes. The page is transcluded onto Wikipedia:Featured article candidates as a third level section, so your level 3 headers all appeared in the TOC of WP:FAC as if they were other candidates. Because screen readers really need headings to be level 1, 2, 3, etc. to be usable, in the case of pages that are transcluded into a subsection of another page, there's simply no scheme that meets the requirements of WP:Manual of Style/Accessibility #Headings. -- RexxS ( talk) 14:05, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
<noinclude>=== Accessibility review ===</noinclude><includeonly>==== Accessibility review ====</includeonly>
as the heading, which would render as level 3 in the FAC page, but as level 4 in
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates (which wouldn't show in the TOC as it's limited to showing no more than level 3). We'd probably want to kludge the main header as well in a similar way: <noinclude>== [[Underwater diving]] ==</noinclude><includeonly>=== [[Underwater diving]] ===</includeonly>
, but most folks won't want that degree of complexity just to add a few comments. I've done a demo of that at
Special:Permalink/796883646. Maybe Ian's fix represents the best compromise between semantic breakage (with possible accessibility issues) and convenience for mobile phone users. I'll restore that version while I have a think about it. Cheers --
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Tryptofish made us aware of potentially sad news about DrChrissy. I have since confirmed it...RIP DrChrissy. It is with a heavy heart that I am signing off for now. Atsme 📞 📧 22:50, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Aspro, I created Chris Sherwin because of his research and influence as an academic, author, and for having greatly influenced his field of study regarding animal behavior and welfare. Many of us were unaware of the extent of Chris' influence - we saw him as another volunteer editor who made us smile. He has authored several scientific papers published by Elsevier and Sage. I invite all to help expand his biography. I also added his entry at WP:RIP. Atsme 📞 📧 15:49, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Too funny... the host of the conference mentions Wikipedia... Atsme 📞 📧 00:13, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
After all these years, I 🤣 figured out why some of my Happy Hours are much happier than others. The answer is...(drum roll, please)...club soda or other bicarbonated mixer (although I never tried Alka Seltzer). For example, mixing with club soda or 7-Up...
I kid you not, at least not according to science, and health pubs (publications, not what you're thinking, although the latter could be considered a "form" of clinical trial). Atsme 📞 📧 18:13, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
You seem like a kind, helpful editor! To continue on it seems as if you would fit perfectly in the newest Wikipedia animal! WikiTiger is a project to help out newcomers in need of assistance and some who have been on for awhile to. For more details and information see WTDB. ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 04:12, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
No problem and thank you to! ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 12:18, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Btw I want to make a page like User:Dinah Kirkland/Wikipedia:WikiTigre, User:Dinah Kirkland/Wikipedia:WikiTigru, etc. For people who don't speak much English to be able to read it and join if they liked. How would I do that considering I'm on mobile and can't use a SandBox? ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 15:00, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh okay thank you! And when you put the UserBox up I'll send you the WikiTiger Newsletter! ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 18:11, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the WikiTiger community! This newsletter is for all WikiTigers that have joined. What we WikiTigers aim to do is teach newcomers our policies, guidelines, dos and don'ts, etc. Our edits should always be in good faith and never direct anything negative towards another editor. Things that are looking to be made for the WikiTiger page are to make it more appealing to other editors so that they may want to join. At the end of each month at 00:00 every WikiTiger is looked over to see what awards they should receive and if they need to be warned for bad faith. You are also invited to share your ideas for this project here!: WP:WTDB You have received one award;
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♠Dinah♠ 🎤 00:53, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Dinah Kirkland, when you add a userbox on a TP, you need to add {{clear}} after the last line of text that goes with it. Atsme 📞 📧 17:12, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh sorry! ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 17:36, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to comment your changes to my edits. In my opinion, using sentence case makes titles easier to read, especially when some words are proper nouns (that should always be capitalized) while the others are not, like in "The Lorenzinian ampullae of Polyodon spethula". WP does not have a general rule here, but favors consistency within an article (not achieved here, neither before nor after these edits). In any case, scientific names are always capitalized as in Polyodon spethula, even when the specific name is derived from a proper noun (e.g., Paleopsephurus wilsoni)---this is the global convention. With German journal titles the situation is not clear. The German (original) style is not to capitalize adjectives ("mikroskopische" in the "Zeitschrift für Zellforschung und mikroskopische Anatomie"), but this is often done in WP. In this particular case, the original German style was used more often in WP, so I chose that one. Notice that there were two typos in that journal title. Cheers, Micromesistius ( talk) 05:37, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
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I should not have made that comment, since we are not supposed to talk about other editors. But what I meant by it is that you have now told us that you have a strong POV here - that your edits and comments are aimed at trying to prove something. You are entitled to your beliefs - we all have them - but most of us try to do our editing from a purely encyclopedic viewpoint. (I personally have been accused of being both a Trump apologist and a Trump hater, which I assume means I have succeeded in keeping my editing neutral.) it can be helpful for others to know whether another editor is coming from a neutral or a POV angle. Anyhow, I was out of line to say that on a public talk page, and I have struck the comment. If you would prefer, I will delete it, along with our replies. -- MelanieN ( talk) 21:50, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
I would like to get Fusion GPS to GA status too! That's a great idea. I noticed that you mentioned it in the article talk page. -- FeralOink ( talk) 05:42, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Hei! Um I feel as if my Userboxes are sorta all over the place and was wondering, if you don't mind, if you could organise them for me or tell me how I can myself? I want to keep them in the order they do going down so I don't want any side by side so can you tell me how? Dinah In Wonderland 13:22, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Si it does grazie! Dinah In Wonderland 14:07, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Re your question on Doc James' talkpage. I see exactly where you're coming from and I don't want to butt in there but briefly will say that I suspect a) he doesn't particularly want to get involved in US politics and b) it isn't a MEDRS question at all. The law has a concept where public figures are not protected by the same rules of privacy that most of us are, and this falls squarely in that category. It's not spelled out in the BLP guidelines but what I've seen is that articles on political and other public figures tend to follow the sources rather this way -- i.e. without restriction. If it is appropriate I may copy this comment back to his talkpage later. ☆ Bri ( talk) 02:09, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
You really should drop the stick now on Jared Taylor. Power~enwiki ( talk) 17:27, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
You've been threatening me and other editors for days on the Jared Taylor talk page, in an obvious attempt to intimidate, without cause. I don't know what your endgame is and I don't care. Either report me and every editor you've threatened to a neutral administrator, or knock off the threats. The third course of action, which is to continue your veiled unfounded threats, is what I fully expect you to take, because your agenda in supporting the whitewashing of a white supremacist's article is obvious, and the MO of online anonymous supporters of white supremacists matches your recent actions exactly. Time to put up or shut up. Rockypedia ( talk) 23:47, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Your edits to that article are clearly not NPOV. Discuss it before reverting again. Rockypedia ( talk) 01:14, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Since you obviously have a lot of experience with wikipedia, I'm curious if you know: Is it against wikipedia rules to repeatedly accuse someone of being a "sockpuppet" without proof, as Rockypedia has been doing with me simply because he doesn't like my opinions? 24.178.250.78 ( talk) 02:21, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
You're scaring me, Rockypedia - your comments and disruption, your trolling me, your accusations against other edits - I'd prefer it if you'd keep a safe distance away from me. You are not welcome here. Atsme 📞 📧 04:11, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
As a friendly note regarding, but unrelated to your recent post at WP:DRV, I found an animated GIF regarding Trump here. Also, I don't mind that you brought the discussion to DRV, just so you know. Just some humor here... Regards, North America 1000 08:06, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Good work on Talk:Jared Taylor. The folks over there just keep claiming that if it's in a RS, it belongs in the article. They don't accept that opinions and facts are different things, or that BLPs have strict requirements for fairness. Such a pity. Lou Sander ( talk) 23:01, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Nblund, let's look at the lead sentence in Hitler:
"Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ] (About this sound listen); 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was a German politician who was the leader of the Nazi Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei; NSDAP), Chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945, and Führer ("Leader") of Nazi Germany from 1934 to 1945. As dictator, he initiated World War II in Europe with the invasion of Poland in September 1939, and was central to the Holocaust.
Now compare it to Jared Taylor's lead sentences:
Samuel Jared Taylor (born September 15, 1951) is an American white nationalist and white supremacist. He is the founder and editor of American Renaissance, a magazine often described as a white supremacist publication.
Taylor was hit 3 times in the first two sentences with derogatory labels stated in Wiki voice as factual information when they are actually the opinions of detractors or his opposition, if you will.
Back to Hitler, the article doesn't say in Wiki voice that Hitler was a murdering anti-Semite and a white supremacist who promoted conspiracy theories, does it? Those are tabloid labels, not academic or encyclopedic and not even close to ethical journalism.
Those are all provable facts. The events actually took place and are documented in multiple history books and magazines with photos dating back when journalism followed a code of ethics unlike the political pundits, propagandists and bait & click authors of the internet generation. That's why editors should excercise caution when editing a BLP and finding RS to cite. Manson is the same way, so no need to dissect it.
The 2016 political campaign brought a lot of negativity. Those who stood to benefit politically and financially from race baiting, took advantage of it. The SPLC & ADL aren't immune from such antics, and neither are academics. See the last paragraphs in the Britannica, [2]. They simply don't pass the acid test for us to use as statements of fact in Wiki voice. For example, Leonard Zeskind, a lifetime member of the NAACP, is cited as a RS in the article. Biased sources can be RS, but not for this BLP. Carol M. Swain is also cited and she wrote an op-ed in WaPo "calling for the Republican Party to offer a formal apology to American citizens of African descent for the institution of slavery." Does she represent NPOV, or do you think there might be some bias involved there, too?
One sentence using a value-laden label one time in an article does not a white supremacist make. One quote I remember seeing was that Taylor believes some races excel in areas where others may not. <----is that proof that he's a white supremacist? I also read where he believes Japanese excel in math. Uh oh, what does that do to white supremacy? Maybe you should read this article in The Atlantic. Should we now label The Atlantic a white supremacist publication, or do we excuse them for that one time, or heck, maybe the article is informative and factual, then what?
Also check out WP:PSCI if you're proposing inclusion of anything pseudoscientific in the article, and don't be surprised if we suddenly find that article under DS for both BLP and PSCI - and it won't be my first rodeo. Editors should look at every article they create or edit as being representative of the quality and integrity people expect from a world renowned encyclopedia. WP isn't a soapbox or a place to right great wrongs. We're here to write factual information and opinions that we can attribute to RS, and when the time comes that a statement or the whole damn article is controversial and will ultimately be challenged, why not prepare in advance by using in-line text attribution while making sure our sources are of the highest quality for a BLP, and that the information is verifiable in the sources we're using? Why not? It's just that simple. Atsme 📞 📧 00:19, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I noticed the 3RR thread. Please keep it cool in relation to the Jared article. When consensus isn't on our side it can be frustrating. Sometimes it's good to let the spice (and tea) flow a bit... You seem to be a reasonable person and experienced editor and I liked reading the sensitive yet convivial thread at Mjolnir's talk page, so I know you've not lost your calm yet. Just a friendly reminder and encouragement to keep it despite the tribulations . Have a good day, — Paleo Neonate – 11:57, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Please note my warning on my page, in response to your own post, that you may be topic banned from American politics if you persist in disruptive behaviour in the area. [3] Bishonen | talk 15:03, 14 August 2017 (UTC).
I chimed in on your comment at Kudpung's talkpage but thought it deserved more explanation. Over time I've decided not to become involved in WP pages about subjects I feel especially strongly about. In some cases I've even decided to back off from certain areas of my own volition after I realize it is too close to me. This includes US politics in general. It's a tough thing and also over time, I've seen other editors get burnt out with involvement in the arena of politics. Just a word of caution, not trying to steer you in any particular direction at all. ☆ Bri ( talk) 22:47, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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I saw all the past discussions so I'm giving you this panda I made. If you don't mind me asking what exactly happend? Dinah In Wonderland 17:25, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
🤣😆🐼 - it's unbelievable, Dinah. Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Fyddlestix and User:Rockypedia reported by User:Atsme (Result: Declined.) Editors are like a Bic lighter...disposable - toss 'em when their usefulness wears out or if they accidentally wander into forbidden territory and try to remove some of the weeds. If you see a Wikipedia:Attack page or WP:Coatrack enter at your own risk, even if you see blatant noncompliance with BLP which is a policy that says one thing, but if you do it, your ass may end-up being blocked for edit warring, even if you're not. You'll find that some articles have a high level of immunity, so unless you agree with what you're seeing on the page and want to add more derogatory information, no problem, you'll probably be welcomed there. I highly recommend that you spend some time at The Museum where you can stroll the long halls of parody lined with lots of pictures and witty captions. Enjoy. Atsme 📞 📧 18:25, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Ah thanks. Don't undertsand much if what you said (Just got up Not to long ago) but when I do I'll need your warning and read through all of them. Dinah In Wonderland 18:28, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Btw I'm thinking of changing my signature from Dinah In Wonderland . Any suggestions? Dinah In Wonderland 18:30, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Hm cool. I kinda want mine to be purple any suggestions on how to do that? Dinah In Wonderland 18:34, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks and I found one! How's ♠Dinah♠ ? Dinah In Wonderland 18:48, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
But I need something for my user talk... I thought about using the Italian flag but it didn't Look right per say... Dinah In Wonderland 19:28, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Dinah In Wonderland 20:27, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
I do believe this works si? ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 20:35, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
✅ Sure does! Atsme 📞 📧 20:38, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
And uh no need for me to paste it. I use mobile view so I can just type it up. Thanks for your help. ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 20:40, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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I hardly ever use emoticons, or even joke around when I'm engaging in a discussion that captures my interest. I just want you to know not to take that as evidence that I'm getting upset or annoyed. In truth, the more polemical and humorless I appear to be, the more I'm enjoying myself.
That's probably the reason why all my buddies in the Army thought I was a total masochist: I only ever joked around when we were doing something with an extremely high pucker factor, or that just plain sucked. Or when we were bored, a habit that caught me no end of grief from our CO. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 23:05, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Atsme,
I hope you don't have any major problems with this revision. In future, please be sure to propose RFCs as neutrally as it could be executed. After-all the Comments & Discussion section exists for your views on the topic! Cheers:) Winged Blades Godric 11:35, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Atsme, In case you are interested. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 10:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Random Nerds. Nikkimaria ( talk) 18:48, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
I'm about to turn in For the night but I wanted to ask; what do you do when if you ask a question and a random editor brings up some mistake you made in the past on the wrong page instead of awnsering your question? I didn't want to bring this to a other admin but I'm just wondering. Dinah In Wonderland 21:27, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
Ah thank you! That helped and I'll keep it in mind! Dinah In Wonderland 13:02, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Atsme, I've noticed on the endless debates about labels that you're taking a strong stand for neutral language. I'm trying to prepare a wikipedia essay right now along these lines. The goal is to coalesce the argument for avoiding subjective labels in wikivoice even when widely used by RSes.
I invite you to feel free to jump in and edit. -- Nanite ( talk) 20:44, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for trying to help with headings in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Underwater diving/archive1, but I've had to revert your changes. The page is transcluded onto Wikipedia:Featured article candidates as a third level section, so your level 3 headers all appeared in the TOC of WP:FAC as if they were other candidates. Because screen readers really need headings to be level 1, 2, 3, etc. to be usable, in the case of pages that are transcluded into a subsection of another page, there's simply no scheme that meets the requirements of WP:Manual of Style/Accessibility #Headings. -- RexxS ( talk) 14:05, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
<noinclude>=== Accessibility review ===</noinclude><includeonly>==== Accessibility review ====</includeonly>
as the heading, which would render as level 3 in the FAC page, but as level 4 in
Wikipedia:Featured article candidates (which wouldn't show in the TOC as it's limited to showing no more than level 3). We'd probably want to kludge the main header as well in a similar way: <noinclude>== [[Underwater diving]] ==</noinclude><includeonly>=== [[Underwater diving]] ===</includeonly>
, but most folks won't want that degree of complexity just to add a few comments. I've done a demo of that at
Special:Permalink/796883646. Maybe Ian's fix represents the best compromise between semantic breakage (with possible accessibility issues) and convenience for mobile phone users. I'll restore that version while I have a think about it. Cheers --
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Tryptofish made us aware of potentially sad news about DrChrissy. I have since confirmed it...RIP DrChrissy. It is with a heavy heart that I am signing off for now. Atsme 📞 📧 22:50, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
Aspro, I created Chris Sherwin because of his research and influence as an academic, author, and for having greatly influenced his field of study regarding animal behavior and welfare. Many of us were unaware of the extent of Chris' influence - we saw him as another volunteer editor who made us smile. He has authored several scientific papers published by Elsevier and Sage. I invite all to help expand his biography. I also added his entry at WP:RIP. Atsme 📞 📧 15:49, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Too funny... the host of the conference mentions Wikipedia... Atsme 📞 📧 00:13, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
After all these years, I 🤣 figured out why some of my Happy Hours are much happier than others. The answer is...(drum roll, please)...club soda or other bicarbonated mixer (although I never tried Alka Seltzer). For example, mixing with club soda or 7-Up...
I kid you not, at least not according to science, and health pubs (publications, not what you're thinking, although the latter could be considered a "form" of clinical trial). Atsme 📞 📧 18:13, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
You seem like a kind, helpful editor! To continue on it seems as if you would fit perfectly in the newest Wikipedia animal! WikiTiger is a project to help out newcomers in need of assistance and some who have been on for awhile to. For more details and information see WTDB. ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 04:12, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
No problem and thank you to! ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 12:18, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Btw I want to make a page like User:Dinah Kirkland/Wikipedia:WikiTigre, User:Dinah Kirkland/Wikipedia:WikiTigru, etc. For people who don't speak much English to be able to read it and join if they liked. How would I do that considering I'm on mobile and can't use a SandBox? ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 15:00, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh okay thank you! And when you put the UserBox up I'll send you the WikiTiger Newsletter! ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 18:11, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Welcome to the WikiTiger community! This newsletter is for all WikiTigers that have joined. What we WikiTigers aim to do is teach newcomers our policies, guidelines, dos and don'ts, etc. Our edits should always be in good faith and never direct anything negative towards another editor. Things that are looking to be made for the WikiTiger page are to make it more appealing to other editors so that they may want to join. At the end of each month at 00:00 every WikiTiger is looked over to see what awards they should receive and if they need to be warned for bad faith. You are also invited to share your ideas for this project here!: WP:WTDB You have received one award;
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♠Dinah♠ 🎤 00:53, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Dinah Kirkland, when you add a userbox on a TP, you need to add {{clear}} after the last line of text that goes with it. Atsme 📞 📧 17:12, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Oh sorry! ♠Dinah♠ 🎤 17:36, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to comment your changes to my edits. In my opinion, using sentence case makes titles easier to read, especially when some words are proper nouns (that should always be capitalized) while the others are not, like in "The Lorenzinian ampullae of Polyodon spethula". WP does not have a general rule here, but favors consistency within an article (not achieved here, neither before nor after these edits). In any case, scientific names are always capitalized as in Polyodon spethula, even when the specific name is derived from a proper noun (e.g., Paleopsephurus wilsoni)---this is the global convention. With German journal titles the situation is not clear. The German (original) style is not to capitalize adjectives ("mikroskopische" in the "Zeitschrift für Zellforschung und mikroskopische Anatomie"), but this is often done in WP. In this particular case, the original German style was used more often in WP, so I chose that one. Notice that there were two typos in that journal title. Cheers, Micromesistius ( talk) 05:37, 8 September 2017 (UTC)