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I have what some can refer to as a "thawing platform" - and no, it's not used to break the ice during an initial meet-up, and it has little to do with the term "cold fish" as used in society relative to human interactions. I just took a picture of my thawing-board and uploaded it to Commons because its simple engineering design fascinates the hell out of me. It actually does completely thaw a frozen steak or two in under an hour. I've had this little contraption since the 70s, and there are no electronic parts that can break down. I no longer have the instructions, so I went looking for something online that could help me understand how this contraption works without plugging it in. I found the following promo about a similar item. They refer to it as "innovative" which tells me nothing has come along in the past 40 years that surpasses it. Who can share the "science" (in laymen terms) that explains why this contraption thaws frozen food so quickly? Atsme 📞 📧 22:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Ah ha! So basically, it's pretty much the same physics of thermal conductivity that we learned as dive instructors regarding body temp and water temp. Apparently, aluminum is an excellent conductor of heat with its free electrons moving around randomly throughout the plate distributing heat to different parts of the metal. It's pretty fascinating - wish I had paid closer attention in school. On the other hand, aluminum beer cans on ice absorb the cold, but because ice is a liquid that melts, the beer doesn't freeze and the more heat the ice is exposed to, the quicker it melts. That gave me a little brain freeze - kinda like scoffing down a frozen margarita but I get the drift. Thank you! Atsme 📞 📧 01:27, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Recommended thawing instructions here. I can confirm that the aluminum platform accomplishes the thawing factor at least 10x faster than refrigerated defrosting, the latter of which means you have to plan meals ahead of time. I dislike thawing in water because even though you think you have a leak proof seal, that isn't always the case. Who wants water-logged meat, fish or other foods? In the first link above, it mentions a liquid inside the aluminum casing. Wonder what liquid they used? I just thawed an 8-pak of frozen beef franks on my little aluminum tray - took about 20 minutes to thaw. Of course, I didn't stand there watching the frozen hotdogs thaw, rather I did other things and when I remembered to check on them, I provided an approx. time, so no - it was not what one would consider precise scientific research with results that would pass peer review. More importantly, isn't the term frozen hotdog an oxymoron? Atsme 📞 📧 20:13, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
This is a physics issue. I doubt it has anything to do with the heat capacity of aluminium or some mysterious "bio-safe thermo liquid center", and everything to do with heat conductivity and ability to receive heat radiation. The aluminium is rapidly transferring heat to the frozen meat, and in turn receives heat by conduction of the surrounding air and though radiation from its surroundings. I suspect placing frozen meat on a stainless steel bench top would work nearly as well (though you would need to drain the liquid). -- Epipelagic ( talk) 22:17, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Going back to Trypto's comment about peanut-tasting beer (sounds absolutely revolting to me!) did you guys ever get the colourless flavoured waters that were around a few years ago. These were bottles of what appeared to be water, but in fact had very distinctive tastes such as chocolate milk-shake. It was absolutely bizarre to experience the mis-match of the visual sense and the gustatory sense. Amazing the tricks the brain can play. DrChrissy (talk) 23:26, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
OK, science fans, I did some investigation about whether it is heat capacity or heat conductivity, and the answer is: no! Strictly speaking, we are actually dealing with thermal diffusivity. (No, I do not understand that page.) I got that from: [1]. See also: [2] (also about aluminum in the kitchen!), and [3]. Our main page on this subject is thermal conduction, and the technically minded can wallow in Rayleigh number. Now, I need a drink. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 00:50, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
You made a mistake asking for scientists, when you should have asked for engineers! Look at this table on heat transfer coefficients. I'm not reading all that above! The table shows the many ways you can get heat to flow. In your case into the meat. Boiling water is way up there on the list. My guess is whatever substance is in that thing is acting similar to water/fluid convection under the surface, but maybe it is acting like a metal and just using conduction_(heat). -- David Tornheim ( talk) 22:20, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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Hehe, just checked Wikipedia. Seems that old claim has found its way back into the intro, same source we spent months dealing with last year. What a silly, silly place this is. When no one is looking, the truth is yours to create, apparently. What fun!! Love you, petrarchan47 คุ ก 19:49, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Atsme. I sense that I am not getting the message across clearly at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kanwal Ameen, so I thought I would try explaining my comments in more detail here. I hope that I do not come across as patronising, but I understand that some of these distinctions are rather arcane, particularly for people outside of academia (as I presume you are). So, there are different types of professor. Some academics get promoted over the course of their career from assistant professor to associate professor to full professor. Most universities have quite a lot of professors. They have titles such as Professor of Economics, Professor of Physics, etc. Those are not named or distinguished professorships. Named and distinguished professorships are awarded to a much smaller, more select group of academics. They carry more specific titles such as the Langdell Professorship of Law (at Harvard) or the Camden Professor of Ancient History (Oxford). Those named professorships can only be held by one person, so an academic can't be promoted to them as they can to a regular professorship. To become a named professor, one basically has to wait for an existing one to retire or, sometimes, to die! Does that make sense? Cordless Larry ( talk) 19:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
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Really? Female international Fulbright scholars in Pakistan? Atsme 📞 📧 21:21, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I really think you should take it a notch down with accusing other editors of personal attacks. Saying that someone misunderstands something, misinterprets a guideline, or even that somebody is confused about something, that is definitely not a personal attack. Saying to somebody that their attitude is racist, or claiming that they are too stupid for their own good, those are personal attacks. I have known David Eppstein since many years and never even once seen him write something that even with fantasy could be construed as being a personal attack. Please, comment on the subject at hand, not the person. -- Randykitty ( talk) 20:24, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
There are different philosophies here. According to one of them, users who behave badly (COI and WP:SOCK violations) must be punished by removing their contributions, even if they create valid content. According to another view, only content matters per WP:IAR. My very best wishes ( talk) 23:17, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
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Well, therein lies the major difference between us. I never said I "disliked you" - those are your words. I feel that your interactions where I'm concerned clearly demonstrate ill-will toward me. I have never sought you out to cause you grief, but it appears the opposite is true as far your interactions with me. Offering you help and guidance by asking you to please read applicable PAGs isn't "telling you what to do", especially when the PAGs I'm asking you to read explain why your argument is noncompliant with PAGs. See WP:AFD: When making your case or responding to others, explain how the article meets/violates policy rather than merely stating that it meets/violates the policy. I don't understand why you interpret helpful suggestions the way you do but it speaks volumes to your being seen as a disruptive editor. Perhaps you haven't read the guideline? I can assure you that your editing experience will be far more pleasant if you would take the time to become better versed in the PAGs applicable to your interactions. Unfortunately, I don't have time to play games, so consider this conversation over. Thanks for stopping and happy editing! Atsme 📞 📧 01:09, 27 July 2016 (UTC) |
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I believe this was first. Did you ever read the discussion The Rite of Spring? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:41, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
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Since you own the copyright for this video you can release it to us under a free license. Per WP:NFCCP #1 that means that you can't put it under fair use as the video is replaceable with one that is free. You can choose a more restrictive free license like {{ cc-by-sa-4.0}} but you can't choose a fair use one. Please pick a free use license to put this video under. Thank you. -- Majora ( talk) 00:08, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello Atsme, I see there's already a discussion for this here, so I'll leave you an explanation rather than a template. I've tagged this file for deletion for two reasons. The first is under speedy criterion F5, pretty straightforward: The image is nonfree but not used in any article. That's fixable, but I'm afraid the next one is not. Since the nonfree image rationale is for the general article horse breeding, the file is replaceable by anyone who takes a video of horse breeding and/or foals being born and releases such a video under a free license, and of course horses breeding and having foals is a frequent occurrence. The Shatner narration might be nice, but it's not necessary for the educational purpose, so the file fails nonfree content criterion #1. It is replaceable by free media. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:56, 6 September 2016 (UTC)::
Hi, all. Please let me offer a suggestion, because I think that there may be a misunderstanding here. Editors are accustomed to situations in which it is just a matter of someone going out and creating a new file showing something that can be easily found. And it's very understandable that some editors would think that this is one such case. However, as Atsme just explained very convincingly, replacing the file with a new, free one is not as simple as it would sound. In that case, perhaps that NFCC does not really apply. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 17:10, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
@ Seraphimblade and Tryptofish: The use of the video on Sultan's Great Day is an acceptable use under our fair use policy as the horse is dead. The FUR needs to be updated as right now it isn't for the right article. Stating that, Seraphimblade would you be willing to remove the speedy? The video is not acceptable on horse breeding and should not be on that article. As it is conceivable that a free use image could be created. Which is all that matters. -- Majora ( talk) 20:50, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
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I have what some can refer to as a "thawing platform" - and no, it's not used to break the ice during an initial meet-up, and it has little to do with the term "cold fish" as used in society relative to human interactions. I just took a picture of my thawing-board and uploaded it to Commons because its simple engineering design fascinates the hell out of me. It actually does completely thaw a frozen steak or two in under an hour. I've had this little contraption since the 70s, and there are no electronic parts that can break down. I no longer have the instructions, so I went looking for something online that could help me understand how this contraption works without plugging it in. I found the following promo about a similar item. They refer to it as "innovative" which tells me nothing has come along in the past 40 years that surpasses it. Who can share the "science" (in laymen terms) that explains why this contraption thaws frozen food so quickly? Atsme 📞 📧 22:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Ah ha! So basically, it's pretty much the same physics of thermal conductivity that we learned as dive instructors regarding body temp and water temp. Apparently, aluminum is an excellent conductor of heat with its free electrons moving around randomly throughout the plate distributing heat to different parts of the metal. It's pretty fascinating - wish I had paid closer attention in school. On the other hand, aluminum beer cans on ice absorb the cold, but because ice is a liquid that melts, the beer doesn't freeze and the more heat the ice is exposed to, the quicker it melts. That gave me a little brain freeze - kinda like scoffing down a frozen margarita but I get the drift. Thank you! Atsme 📞 📧 01:27, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Recommended thawing instructions here. I can confirm that the aluminum platform accomplishes the thawing factor at least 10x faster than refrigerated defrosting, the latter of which means you have to plan meals ahead of time. I dislike thawing in water because even though you think you have a leak proof seal, that isn't always the case. Who wants water-logged meat, fish or other foods? In the first link above, it mentions a liquid inside the aluminum casing. Wonder what liquid they used? I just thawed an 8-pak of frozen beef franks on my little aluminum tray - took about 20 minutes to thaw. Of course, I didn't stand there watching the frozen hotdogs thaw, rather I did other things and when I remembered to check on them, I provided an approx. time, so no - it was not what one would consider precise scientific research with results that would pass peer review. More importantly, isn't the term frozen hotdog an oxymoron? Atsme 📞 📧 20:13, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
This is a physics issue. I doubt it has anything to do with the heat capacity of aluminium or some mysterious "bio-safe thermo liquid center", and everything to do with heat conductivity and ability to receive heat radiation. The aluminium is rapidly transferring heat to the frozen meat, and in turn receives heat by conduction of the surrounding air and though radiation from its surroundings. I suspect placing frozen meat on a stainless steel bench top would work nearly as well (though you would need to drain the liquid). -- Epipelagic ( talk) 22:17, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
Going back to Trypto's comment about peanut-tasting beer (sounds absolutely revolting to me!) did you guys ever get the colourless flavoured waters that were around a few years ago. These were bottles of what appeared to be water, but in fact had very distinctive tastes such as chocolate milk-shake. It was absolutely bizarre to experience the mis-match of the visual sense and the gustatory sense. Amazing the tricks the brain can play. DrChrissy (talk) 23:26, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
OK, science fans, I did some investigation about whether it is heat capacity or heat conductivity, and the answer is: no! Strictly speaking, we are actually dealing with thermal diffusivity. (No, I do not understand that page.) I got that from: [1]. See also: [2] (also about aluminum in the kitchen!), and [3]. Our main page on this subject is thermal conduction, and the technically minded can wallow in Rayleigh number. Now, I need a drink. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 00:50, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
You made a mistake asking for scientists, when you should have asked for engineers! Look at this table on heat transfer coefficients. I'm not reading all that above! The table shows the many ways you can get heat to flow. In your case into the meat. Boiling water is way up there on the list. My guess is whatever substance is in that thing is acting similar to water/fluid convection under the surface, but maybe it is acting like a metal and just using conduction_(heat). -- David Tornheim ( talk) 22:20, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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Hehe, just checked Wikipedia. Seems that old claim has found its way back into the intro, same source we spent months dealing with last year. What a silly, silly place this is. When no one is looking, the truth is yours to create, apparently. What fun!! Love you, petrarchan47 คุ ก 19:49, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
Very few AFDs need someone to request closing assistance; as you may know, WP:AFD#Old discussions lists all the logs with AFDs that are old enough to be closed, and the admins who do a lot of AFD work will notice if the discussion's log has one or more still-open discussions. If you really really need assistance, go to WP:AN/RFC, but because that discussion page is routinely spammed by a couple of users, many of us admins routinely ignore it. Nyttend ( talk) 03:19, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
I created User:Atsme/Furth. I'm starting to do this for AfDs that I think need to be salvaged, and so did this for yours. You can ASD it if you don't want it, but just an FYI that this is my newest approach when I am ready to rip my hair out. Montanabw (talk) 06:20, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi Atsme. I sense that I am not getting the message across clearly at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kanwal Ameen, so I thought I would try explaining my comments in more detail here. I hope that I do not come across as patronising, but I understand that some of these distinctions are rather arcane, particularly for people outside of academia (as I presume you are). So, there are different types of professor. Some academics get promoted over the course of their career from assistant professor to associate professor to full professor. Most universities have quite a lot of professors. They have titles such as Professor of Economics, Professor of Physics, etc. Those are not named or distinguished professorships. Named and distinguished professorships are awarded to a much smaller, more select group of academics. They carry more specific titles such as the Langdell Professorship of Law (at Harvard) or the Camden Professor of Ancient History (Oxford). Those named professorships can only be held by one person, so an academic can't be promoted to them as they can to a regular professorship. To become a named professor, one basically has to wait for an existing one to retire or, sometimes, to die! Does that make sense? Cordless Larry ( talk) 19:09, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
[49][(2) The Chairman of a Teaching Department and the Director of an Institute shall be appointed by the Syndicate on the recommendation of the Vice-Chancellor from amongst the three senior most Professors of the Department for a period of three years and shall be eligible for re-appointment:
Really? Female international Fulbright scholars in Pakistan? Atsme 📞 📧 21:21, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I really think you should take it a notch down with accusing other editors of personal attacks. Saying that someone misunderstands something, misinterprets a guideline, or even that somebody is confused about something, that is definitely not a personal attack. Saying to somebody that their attitude is racist, or claiming that they are too stupid for their own good, those are personal attacks. I have known David Eppstein since many years and never even once seen him write something that even with fantasy could be construed as being a personal attack. Please, comment on the subject at hand, not the person. -- Randykitty ( talk) 20:24, 17 July 2016 (UTC)
There are different philosophies here. According to one of them, users who behave badly (COI and WP:SOCK violations) must be punished by removing their contributions, even if they create valid content. According to another view, only content matters per WP:IAR. My very best wishes ( talk) 23:17, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
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Clarification questionYour recent message telling me to "Please stop with your allegations" with edit summary "your attacks need to stop" doesn't make sense to me. I've been very careful to not stray into personal attack territory and if I have done so, I'd like to know so I can make the appropriate apologies and modify my behaviour. Could you please clarify where I attacked you or made allegations against you in this edit? If not, can you please strike the statement that says I made allegations against you? Thank you. Ca2james ( talk) 17:50, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Well, therein lies the major difference between us. I never said I "disliked you" - those are your words. I feel that your interactions where I'm concerned clearly demonstrate ill-will toward me. I have never sought you out to cause you grief, but it appears the opposite is true as far your interactions with me. Offering you help and guidance by asking you to please read applicable PAGs isn't "telling you what to do", especially when the PAGs I'm asking you to read explain why your argument is noncompliant with PAGs. See WP:AFD: When making your case or responding to others, explain how the article meets/violates policy rather than merely stating that it meets/violates the policy. I don't understand why you interpret helpful suggestions the way you do but it speaks volumes to your being seen as a disruptive editor. Perhaps you haven't read the guideline? I can assure you that your editing experience will be far more pleasant if you would take the time to become better versed in the PAGs applicable to your interactions. Unfortunately, I don't have time to play games, so consider this conversation over. Thanks for stopping and happy editing! Atsme 📞 📧 01:09, 27 July 2016 (UTC) |
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I believe this was first. Did you ever read the discussion The Rite of Spring? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:41, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Atsme,
Since you own the copyright for this video you can release it to us under a free license. Per WP:NFCCP #1 that means that you can't put it under fair use as the video is replaceable with one that is free. You can choose a more restrictive free license like {{ cc-by-sa-4.0}} but you can't choose a fair use one. Please pick a free use license to put this video under. Thank you. -- Majora ( talk) 00:08, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Hello Atsme, I see there's already a discussion for this here, so I'll leave you an explanation rather than a template. I've tagged this file for deletion for two reasons. The first is under speedy criterion F5, pretty straightforward: The image is nonfree but not used in any article. That's fixable, but I'm afraid the next one is not. Since the nonfree image rationale is for the general article horse breeding, the file is replaceable by anyone who takes a video of horse breeding and/or foals being born and releases such a video under a free license, and of course horses breeding and having foals is a frequent occurrence. The Shatner narration might be nice, but it's not necessary for the educational purpose, so the file fails nonfree content criterion #1. It is replaceable by free media. Seraphimblade Talk to me 14:56, 6 September 2016 (UTC)::
Hi, all. Please let me offer a suggestion, because I think that there may be a misunderstanding here. Editors are accustomed to situations in which it is just a matter of someone going out and creating a new file showing something that can be easily found. And it's very understandable that some editors would think that this is one such case. However, as Atsme just explained very convincingly, replacing the file with a new, free one is not as simple as it would sound. In that case, perhaps that NFCC does not really apply. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 17:10, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
@ Seraphimblade and Tryptofish: The use of the video on Sultan's Great Day is an acceptable use under our fair use policy as the horse is dead. The FUR needs to be updated as right now it isn't for the right article. Stating that, Seraphimblade would you be willing to remove the speedy? The video is not acceptable on horse breeding and should not be on that article. As it is conceivable that a free use image could be created. Which is all that matters. -- Majora ( talk) 20:50, 7 September 2016 (UTC)