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The close over at COIN was changed. Some changes may come to the articles that were discussed there. So Review the close and don't get shocked at a revert. -Serialjoepsycho- ( talk) 03:05, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
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This COI issue has become nonsense. The only possible COI is in relation to you posting the earthwave site as sources and also as external links. Outside of those links you have no COI. If these links are compliant there's no real issue at all. There's a External links noticeboard WP:ELN and of course you are aware of the reliable sources noticeboard WP:RSN. They can review if the sources and external links present any issues with wikipedia policy. -Serialjoepsycho- ( talk) 16:48, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I thought I ought to say hello and raise the matter of the sturgeon. From your marginalia, I get the impression that you deleted the section about some sturgeons posing a risk to humans because you think that that is a rare event. So did I, but after a some careful research, and much to my surprise, I learnt that this is not the case, and that the danger has been well known for a while and is material. That's why I made the entry. You have written nothing to indicate any concern that by having a paragraph on the risk that sturgeon can pose to people in some way threatens the sturgeon, but I get the feeling that one of the other contributors who immediately deleted this section may have felt that way. I love the sturgeon and am very much in favour of keeping the biosphere intact and fully populated by all species extant, but, counterintuitive as it is, the fact is that a great many secondary sources show that sturgeons are a material risk to human in some areas. That's why these few lines should remain in the entry - it's neutral pov, it's factual, and it's informative -- and it may just possibly save a human life, or a limb or two. I very much appreciate the effort and time you spend on Wikipedia, so I wanted to take some time myself to do you the courtesy of explaining this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CourtCelts1988 ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
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Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 17:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Atsme. I'm an arbitration clerk, which means I help manage and administer the arbitration process (on behalf of the committee). Thank you for making a statement in an arbitration request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Abuse of COIN. However, we ask all participants and commentators to limit the size of their initial statements to 500 words. Your statement significantly exceeds this limit. Please reduce the length of your statement when you are next online. If the case is accepted, you will have the opportunity to present more evidence; and concise, factual statements are much more likely to be understood and to influence the decisions of the Arbitrators.
For the Arbitration Committee, L235 ( t / c / ping in reply) 01:38, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey,
Atsme,
You need to notify all parties that you mention in your listing at Arbitration Case Requests so they are aware of your request and can provide a response. Some of your accusations are pretty damning and editors need to be aware of your request and be allowed to respond to your allegations. Thank you.
Liz
Read!
Talk! 01:47, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
L235 Do I add all parties who are named? Some made comments at the articles in question but are not part of the ARBCOM. Atsme 01:54, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
whose conduct [...] comes under scrutiny. L235 ( t / c / ping in reply) 01:56, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
{{subst:arbcom notice|Abuse of COIN}} ~~~~
instead of just sticking {{
Arbcom notice}} there. Also, make sure to link to the notifications in the "Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request" section. Also, you are over 200% of the word limit - please trim. Respectfully -
L235 (
t /
c /
ping in reply) 02:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)@ L235:, Huh? What are you talking about? Where did I stick the arbcom notice you're referring to? Atsme 📞 📧 02:24, 12 July 2015 (UTC) Ooops Now what? Atsme 📞 📧 02:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
As previously noted, the word limit for individual statements at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case is 500 words. Your statement was 2664 words, so (at the direction of the Committee) I have trimmed your request to the first roughly 600 words. You may, of course, reword your statement to include later entries without going over the word limit. Best regards - L235 ( t / c / ping in reply) 16:29, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello Atsme - I have received the message that you have initiated an Arbcom request about the specific situation in which we recently interacted. Having been an arbitrator for a few years in the fairly recent past (and indeed having initiated a case just a few months ago), I do have a fairly good idea of what will be involved in the coming months (yes, it will take months if the case is accepted). I have a few suggestions about what you might want to think about.
Just some thoughts from me. I am very, very strapped for time this week and may not get as far as commenting on the RFAR (I am traveling in a few days), but I'll try to keep my eye on it. Risker ( talk) 03:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Risker - I really do wish there was an alternative, but what you haven't seen are the private emails which will demonstrate the COIN action was punitive. The editors named do not have clean hands, and some accusing me of a COI over fish articles have done far worse. The behavior, the PAs, reverting my edits on almost every article I edit including an essay I created has to stop. It's not just me who has been abused by this cabal-like behavior - it's clearly patterned behavior by the same group of editors over and over and over. If ARBCOM will actually review those diffs, they will see the abuse. What happened to me was uncalled for and if they want to dredge up edits I made that date back 7 or 8 months, I'm ready for that, too. I don't care if they delete all the articles I ever edited. It doesn't hurt me - it hurts the encyclopedia. Besides what good does it do to let it go when they are the ones who won't let it go. I'm weary of the reverts and criticisms wherever I go no matter what I do. I gave this a great deal of thought before I took action, and if the unpredictability of ARBCOM gives them a free pass and me a block or ban, then at least I'll know where WP stands and I can move on to bigger and better things. I can't edit now as it is without being reverted so what difference does it make either way? Atsme 📞 📧 03:38, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
It's common to men and women. It's common to all races. It's common to gays and straight. It's common to people with Gender issues. It's pride. Everyone has it and it can be stubborn.
Honestly the whole thing was really mishandled. It is really a minor COI. The main thing the wikipedia community really needs to be sure of is that you aren't improperly trying to plug that organization. Really and again that can be done by checking to see if those links and sources attributed to that website meet wikipedia policies. Then asking you to avoid posting them. Instead they are acting like you are Madoff coming to wikipedia to clear his name. Seriously, a connected contributor to an Alligator gar? Do they think you watched it evolve? Even the Racz situation is obvious and it's also clear there's no COI. This whole thing has solely been done to be punitive it seems to me. -Serialjoepsycho- ( talk) 01:43, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for all you do! Jus da fax 01:50, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has declined the Abuse of COIN arbitration case request, which you were listed as a party to. For the Arbitration Committee, L235 ( t / c / ping in reply) 16:14, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
I owe you an apology for trying too fiercely to get you to acknowledge your COI in the discussions after I filed the COIN case and especially at Risker's page. I am sorry about that - I lost my head and acted in an ugly way toward you. I am not apologizing for trying to get your COI managed, by first posting here and then bringing the initial case at COIN - I am only saying that because you have made it clear that you thought that was wrong. We differ there. But I am sorry for what I did afterwards. Jytdog ( talk) 23:17, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Please note that I have started a discussion about an issue with which you have been involved:
Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#AVDUCK_defaming_an_entire_public_services_union
jps ( talk) 16:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an
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Gabor B. Racz. Users are expected to
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Please resolve disputes on the Talk page rather than re-reverting.
Alexbrn (
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Hello Atsme this is Singhaniket255 ...well as i am a beginner on wikipedia.....so i would like work with you..or need some help to ...improve the page "SLIET" that is Sant longowal Institute of engineering & technology. As i hav some of my contribution to wikipedia but with good..but..im facing problen with this page..so..i u can put some of your effort or guide me how to do it the it will be a great help..thnk you!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Singhaniket255 ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello Atsme this is Singh.. SLIET.. well thanks for the support..as before..i have not any idea of working on wikipedia...and was having problem with references and making verification...so yeah imean i can do..it and will on SLIET..and yes i'll look on those preferecence of Virginia Tech and University of Houston or any other University.
Thanks Atsme... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Singhaniket255 ( talk • contribs) 16:18, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
thanks a lot Atsme
it'll be a great respect and experience working with you!!
Templating regulars with user warnings that are unwarranted is an abuse of their intended use, and may be construed as WP:Uncivil or WP:harassment. It is always better to WP:AGF and write a polite warning advising that editor of the problem. Templates are not a requirement for blocking disruptive behavior. It is also not wise to use templates or written warnings, polite or otherwise, as a ploy to game the system in an effort to distract from your own noncompliance with WP:PAG, such as WP:edit warring or WP:OWN behavior. Sticking to "did you know we had a policy here" mentality tends to be counter-productive in resolving the issue, as it can be construed as being patronising and uncivil. Atsme 📞 📧
I have yet to see a single editor read WP:DTTR and then WP:TTR without concluding that TTR has a far better argument. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 21:03, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Please don't take my decisions personally. It's just based on what I see and understand. Everyone has their own point of view. I came here to say that I admire your gut. You have the courage to stand up to admins. I have always been afraid because they can pull up any WP policy/guideline and take a millisecond to hit that block link. I admire that quality of yours. You don't see that around. I, as editor, feel discouraged and give the impression that admins are high superiority and there's nothing you can do to fight that fight. I am not sure if I am the only one feeling this way. That's it. Just a little words of encouragement, if you will. Fight that ANI report of yours. At least you will know if it was worth fighting that battle. Bye (: Callmemirela {Talk} ♑ 00:05, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
i just wanted to say that i enjoyed reading the article WP:AVDUCK. Thanks for creating it. One of the crucial issues your article highlights is that one has to be frankly political if one wishes to be a successful editor on WP. One problem that can arise, and that your article does not deal with, is if a new or relatively new editor confronts a duck or a flock of ducks who may also have the support of an Admin or a few Admins. (Such support may consist of an Admin building a tool to invite new editors who are having serious problems with a senior editor to offer criticism of that senior editor on a pseudo complaint page--the objective being to protect the senior editor from being repeatedly taken to ANI or Dispute Resolution, and also when new editors make their serious complaints on the pseudo complaint page it would be easier to tackle them through banning or blocking--away from the public eye of ANI and Dispute Resolutions.) Invariably the new editor is pushed into a corner and demoralized by the flock of ducks with their Admin allies (who are armed with tools like WP:ARBIPA); the new editor may stop editing on WP or if he continues he will no longer do any bold editing. A third, and most unfortunate possibility is that if the new editor is blocked, then he/she may resort to vandalism on WP (including showering abuses at the blocking Admin and/or others) through anonymous socking. Sure, ANI, dispute resolution, and ArbCom exist but first they are often very time consuming and secondly in my experience if you are taking on a flock of ducks (who moreover may have the support of a few Admins), then you will almost always lose the argument unless you have sufficient number of allies to support you on boards like ANI on WP (which is unlikely if you are a new or relatively new editor on WP).
I think one key reform that needs to be implemented to strike at the root of this problem is getting rid of 'bad' Admins; and giving incentives to retain 'good' Admins on WP. I don't know the details of how this should be done though, particularly since WP is understandably uncomfortable with getting rid of any Admins unless there is a strong reason to do so in view of the drop in people willing to be WP Admins. Soham321 ( talk) 21:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
I've been here to long. I don't even remember my first account name. Hell I've used a few Ip's before this account and I've used a few when i forgot I even made this account. You know I had to argue the case that the state of Hawaii is not currently under military occupation. I'm sure you are aware there are a number of secessionist movements in the United States. You may or may not be aware that there are a number in Hawaii. These are fringe movements with low followings. It's necessary as you can understand to not give these movements any weight. We can't be the ones to legitimize these movements. They have to do so on their own. But the individual in question they didn't understand that their small movement was fringe and that would be wikipedia legitimizing it if we included it. I think it took a month to deal with them. Needless to say I was reaching the extent of my kindness and my respect.
You're tired Atsme. You're worn down. Why did you open a GA review right after that one closed? Honestly was it anything more than stubbornness? The prior one had just closed after sitting still for days. Was the way that went down wrong? Yes I will agree that it was. I've said that it was and prior I've made my opinion about this loud and clear. You were there. And because it was wrong in that GAR I asked some things of the individuals there. I asked them not to close that GAR themselves. They did so. I asked them to wait a few days before seeking an official close and they gave more than a few. You didn't, it seems, even attempt to address the highlighted problems. as my aunt would say, they pissed in your doll house. But even though pissed in your dollhouse the question becomes about the legitimacy of their content complaints. I view them myself and I see legitimacy. I ask you now if you have viewed them or have do you still see how they pissed in your dollhouse. If you are still seeing how they pissed in your dollhouse then really just have to walk away until you don't see it. You can not be mad and do this work. I've seen you try but it doesn't work out. This is however my opinion of what I've seen.
You now have grounds to go to ARBCOM. On the situation you just took to ANI. I recommend against it. You do have the grounds it seems. But ask you what is necessary for you to calm down and de-escalate. For you to be less emotional right now so that you can take a moment and make a clear decision of the best choice for you? Slow down and think about your next move.
It's never going to be unicorns and sunshine. Every job is important. We have people that just create stubs.Some people make GA's while others break them. There's people that just sit on the noticeboards. There's all kinds of things. Admins aren't more important than newbie editors. Nor are college professors or even Jimbo. -Serialjoepsycho- ( talk) 06:42, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
You should have received an email from me regarding AAAS a few weeks ago - can you please fill out the form linked from that email? If you did not receive the email (check your spam folder), let me know. Thanks, Nikkimaria ( talk) 17:14, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello. Until the recent ANI-discussion and the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Advocacy ducks our paths have never crossed, neither here on Wikipedia or anywhere else, and you have AFAIK never shown any interest in Wikipedia articles about rare species before, so would you mind explaining why you all of a sudden PRODded 14 well sourced and properly formatted stub articles about rare catfish species that I have created? Claiming that they don't belong on en-WP since species.wikipedia.org exist is IMO not a valid reason, especially not without discussing it with me on my talk page first. Thomas.W talk 11:36, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, MONGO. You make a valid point, and your suggestion would certainly make the work much easier than my original approach. I must confess - I tend to be a clutter phobic, or what some refer to anecdotally as OCS (obsessive-compulsive spartanism), [5], but not as it relates to verbosity and I truly am working on the latter. The other issue about reducing the block is a head scratcher for me and I certainly welcome suggestions. If I'm going to apologize for something I've done that was so terrible it warranted a month-long block then I need a reference point (diffs) so I won't do it again and can provide a sincere apology. If the block is about the PROD activity I could certainly admit that I now realize a different approach would have been better (if that truly is the reason for this block), and offer up a sincere apology for creating a bit of a stir over it, but I don't want to use up the appeal process if my apology is based on the wrong reasons, therefore denied. Does that make sense? Atsme 📞 📧 18:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | ← | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 | Archive 12 | Archive 13 | → | Archive 15 |
You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
American paddlefish. Users are expected to
collaborate with others, to avoid editing
disruptively, and to
try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Binksternet ( talk) 01:31, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Gabor B. Racz, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 17:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
The close over at COIN was changed. Some changes may come to the articles that were discussed there. So Review the close and don't get shocked at a revert. -Serialjoepsycho- ( talk) 03:05, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard regarding a possible conflict of interest incident in which you may be involved. Thank you. Jytdog ( talk) 23:22, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
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This COI issue has become nonsense. The only possible COI is in relation to you posting the earthwave site as sources and also as external links. Outside of those links you have no COI. If these links are compliant there's no real issue at all. There's a External links noticeboard WP:ELN and of course you are aware of the reliable sources noticeboard WP:RSN. They can review if the sources and external links present any issues with wikipedia policy. -Serialjoepsycho- ( talk) 16:48, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello, I thought I ought to say hello and raise the matter of the sturgeon. From your marginalia, I get the impression that you deleted the section about some sturgeons posing a risk to humans because you think that that is a rare event. So did I, but after a some careful research, and much to my surprise, I learnt that this is not the case, and that the danger has been well known for a while and is material. That's why I made the entry. You have written nothing to indicate any concern that by having a paragraph on the risk that sturgeon can pose to people in some way threatens the sturgeon, but I get the feeling that one of the other contributors who immediately deleted this section may have felt that way. I love the sturgeon and am very much in favour of keeping the biosphere intact and fully populated by all species extant, but, counterintuitive as it is, the fact is that a great many secondary sources show that sturgeons are a material risk to human in some areas. That's why these few lines should remain in the entry - it's neutral pov, it's factual, and it's informative -- and it may just possibly save a human life, or a limb or two. I very much appreciate the effort and time you spend on Wikipedia, so I wanted to take some time myself to do you the courtesy of explaining this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CourtCelts1988 ( talk • contribs) 23:00, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
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Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) 17:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Atsme. I'm an arbitration clerk, which means I help manage and administer the arbitration process (on behalf of the committee). Thank you for making a statement in an arbitration request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Abuse of COIN. However, we ask all participants and commentators to limit the size of their initial statements to 500 words. Your statement significantly exceeds this limit. Please reduce the length of your statement when you are next online. If the case is accepted, you will have the opportunity to present more evidence; and concise, factual statements are much more likely to be understood and to influence the decisions of the Arbitrators.
For the Arbitration Committee, L235 ( t / c / ping in reply) 01:38, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey,
Atsme,
You need to notify all parties that you mention in your listing at Arbitration Case Requests so they are aware of your request and can provide a response. Some of your accusations are pretty damning and editors need to be aware of your request and be allowed to respond to your allegations. Thank you.
Liz
Read!
Talk! 01:47, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
L235 Do I add all parties who are named? Some made comments at the articles in question but are not part of the ARBCOM. Atsme 01:54, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
whose conduct [...] comes under scrutiny. L235 ( t / c / ping in reply) 01:56, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
{{subst:arbcom notice|Abuse of COIN}} ~~~~
instead of just sticking {{
Arbcom notice}} there. Also, make sure to link to the notifications in the "Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request" section. Also, you are over 200% of the word limit - please trim. Respectfully -
L235 (
t /
c /
ping in reply) 02:21, 12 July 2015 (UTC)@ L235:, Huh? What are you talking about? Where did I stick the arbcom notice you're referring to? Atsme 📞 📧 02:24, 12 July 2015 (UTC) Ooops Now what? Atsme 📞 📧 02:26, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
As previously noted, the word limit for individual statements at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case is 500 words. Your statement was 2664 words, so (at the direction of the Committee) I have trimmed your request to the first roughly 600 words. You may, of course, reword your statement to include later entries without going over the word limit. Best regards - L235 ( t / c / ping in reply) 16:29, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello Atsme - I have received the message that you have initiated an Arbcom request about the specific situation in which we recently interacted. Having been an arbitrator for a few years in the fairly recent past (and indeed having initiated a case just a few months ago), I do have a fairly good idea of what will be involved in the coming months (yes, it will take months if the case is accepted). I have a few suggestions about what you might want to think about.
Just some thoughts from me. I am very, very strapped for time this week and may not get as far as commenting on the RFAR (I am traveling in a few days), but I'll try to keep my eye on it. Risker ( talk) 03:20, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Risker - I really do wish there was an alternative, but what you haven't seen are the private emails which will demonstrate the COIN action was punitive. The editors named do not have clean hands, and some accusing me of a COI over fish articles have done far worse. The behavior, the PAs, reverting my edits on almost every article I edit including an essay I created has to stop. It's not just me who has been abused by this cabal-like behavior - it's clearly patterned behavior by the same group of editors over and over and over. If ARBCOM will actually review those diffs, they will see the abuse. What happened to me was uncalled for and if they want to dredge up edits I made that date back 7 or 8 months, I'm ready for that, too. I don't care if they delete all the articles I ever edited. It doesn't hurt me - it hurts the encyclopedia. Besides what good does it do to let it go when they are the ones who won't let it go. I'm weary of the reverts and criticisms wherever I go no matter what I do. I gave this a great deal of thought before I took action, and if the unpredictability of ARBCOM gives them a free pass and me a block or ban, then at least I'll know where WP stands and I can move on to bigger and better things. I can't edit now as it is without being reverted so what difference does it make either way? Atsme 📞 📧 03:38, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
It's common to men and women. It's common to all races. It's common to gays and straight. It's common to people with Gender issues. It's pride. Everyone has it and it can be stubborn.
Honestly the whole thing was really mishandled. It is really a minor COI. The main thing the wikipedia community really needs to be sure of is that you aren't improperly trying to plug that organization. Really and again that can be done by checking to see if those links and sources attributed to that website meet wikipedia policies. Then asking you to avoid posting them. Instead they are acting like you are Madoff coming to wikipedia to clear his name. Seriously, a connected contributor to an Alligator gar? Do they think you watched it evolve? Even the Racz situation is obvious and it's also clear there's no COI. This whole thing has solely been done to be punitive it seems to me. -Serialjoepsycho- ( talk) 01:43, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for all you do! Jus da fax 01:50, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has declined the Abuse of COIN arbitration case request, which you were listed as a party to. For the Arbitration Committee, L235 ( t / c / ping in reply) 16:14, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
I owe you an apology for trying too fiercely to get you to acknowledge your COI in the discussions after I filed the COIN case and especially at Risker's page. I am sorry about that - I lost my head and acted in an ugly way toward you. I am not apologizing for trying to get your COI managed, by first posting here and then bringing the initial case at COIN - I am only saying that because you have made it clear that you thought that was wrong. We differ there. But I am sorry for what I did afterwards. Jytdog ( talk) 23:17, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Please note that I have started a discussion about an issue with which you have been involved:
Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#AVDUCK_defaming_an_entire_public_services_union
jps ( talk) 16:40, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
Gabor B. Racz. Users are expected to
collaborate with others, to avoid editing
disruptively, and to
try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's
talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents
consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an
appropriate noticeboard or seek
dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary
page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be
blocked from editing.
Please resolve disputes on the Talk page rather than re-reverting.
Alexbrn (
talk) 03:54, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello Atsme this is Singhaniket255 ...well as i am a beginner on wikipedia.....so i would like work with you..or need some help to ...improve the page "SLIET" that is Sant longowal Institute of engineering & technology. As i hav some of my contribution to wikipedia but with good..but..im facing problen with this page..so..i u can put some of your effort or guide me how to do it the it will be a great help..thnk you!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Singhaniket255 ( talk • contribs) 17:23, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Hello Atsme this is Singh.. SLIET.. well thanks for the support..as before..i have not any idea of working on wikipedia...and was having problem with references and making verification...so yeah imean i can do..it and will on SLIET..and yes i'll look on those preferecence of Virginia Tech and University of Houston or any other University.
Thanks Atsme... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Singhaniket255 ( talk • contribs) 16:18, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
thanks a lot Atsme
it'll be a great respect and experience working with you!!
Templating regulars with user warnings that are unwarranted is an abuse of their intended use, and may be construed as WP:Uncivil or WP:harassment. It is always better to WP:AGF and write a polite warning advising that editor of the problem. Templates are not a requirement for blocking disruptive behavior. It is also not wise to use templates or written warnings, polite or otherwise, as a ploy to game the system in an effort to distract from your own noncompliance with WP:PAG, such as WP:edit warring or WP:OWN behavior. Sticking to "did you know we had a policy here" mentality tends to be counter-productive in resolving the issue, as it can be construed as being patronising and uncivil. Atsme 📞 📧
I have yet to see a single editor read WP:DTTR and then WP:TTR without concluding that TTR has a far better argument. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 21:03, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Please don't take my decisions personally. It's just based on what I see and understand. Everyone has their own point of view. I came here to say that I admire your gut. You have the courage to stand up to admins. I have always been afraid because they can pull up any WP policy/guideline and take a millisecond to hit that block link. I admire that quality of yours. You don't see that around. I, as editor, feel discouraged and give the impression that admins are high superiority and there's nothing you can do to fight that fight. I am not sure if I am the only one feeling this way. That's it. Just a little words of encouragement, if you will. Fight that ANI report of yours. At least you will know if it was worth fighting that battle. Bye (: Callmemirela {Talk} ♑ 00:05, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
i just wanted to say that i enjoyed reading the article WP:AVDUCK. Thanks for creating it. One of the crucial issues your article highlights is that one has to be frankly political if one wishes to be a successful editor on WP. One problem that can arise, and that your article does not deal with, is if a new or relatively new editor confronts a duck or a flock of ducks who may also have the support of an Admin or a few Admins. (Such support may consist of an Admin building a tool to invite new editors who are having serious problems with a senior editor to offer criticism of that senior editor on a pseudo complaint page--the objective being to protect the senior editor from being repeatedly taken to ANI or Dispute Resolution, and also when new editors make their serious complaints on the pseudo complaint page it would be easier to tackle them through banning or blocking--away from the public eye of ANI and Dispute Resolutions.) Invariably the new editor is pushed into a corner and demoralized by the flock of ducks with their Admin allies (who are armed with tools like WP:ARBIPA); the new editor may stop editing on WP or if he continues he will no longer do any bold editing. A third, and most unfortunate possibility is that if the new editor is blocked, then he/she may resort to vandalism on WP (including showering abuses at the blocking Admin and/or others) through anonymous socking. Sure, ANI, dispute resolution, and ArbCom exist but first they are often very time consuming and secondly in my experience if you are taking on a flock of ducks (who moreover may have the support of a few Admins), then you will almost always lose the argument unless you have sufficient number of allies to support you on boards like ANI on WP (which is unlikely if you are a new or relatively new editor on WP).
I think one key reform that needs to be implemented to strike at the root of this problem is getting rid of 'bad' Admins; and giving incentives to retain 'good' Admins on WP. I don't know the details of how this should be done though, particularly since WP is understandably uncomfortable with getting rid of any Admins unless there is a strong reason to do so in view of the drop in people willing to be WP Admins. Soham321 ( talk) 21:32, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
I've been here to long. I don't even remember my first account name. Hell I've used a few Ip's before this account and I've used a few when i forgot I even made this account. You know I had to argue the case that the state of Hawaii is not currently under military occupation. I'm sure you are aware there are a number of secessionist movements in the United States. You may or may not be aware that there are a number in Hawaii. These are fringe movements with low followings. It's necessary as you can understand to not give these movements any weight. We can't be the ones to legitimize these movements. They have to do so on their own. But the individual in question they didn't understand that their small movement was fringe and that would be wikipedia legitimizing it if we included it. I think it took a month to deal with them. Needless to say I was reaching the extent of my kindness and my respect.
You're tired Atsme. You're worn down. Why did you open a GA review right after that one closed? Honestly was it anything more than stubbornness? The prior one had just closed after sitting still for days. Was the way that went down wrong? Yes I will agree that it was. I've said that it was and prior I've made my opinion about this loud and clear. You were there. And because it was wrong in that GAR I asked some things of the individuals there. I asked them not to close that GAR themselves. They did so. I asked them to wait a few days before seeking an official close and they gave more than a few. You didn't, it seems, even attempt to address the highlighted problems. as my aunt would say, they pissed in your doll house. But even though pissed in your dollhouse the question becomes about the legitimacy of their content complaints. I view them myself and I see legitimacy. I ask you now if you have viewed them or have do you still see how they pissed in your dollhouse. If you are still seeing how they pissed in your dollhouse then really just have to walk away until you don't see it. You can not be mad and do this work. I've seen you try but it doesn't work out. This is however my opinion of what I've seen.
You now have grounds to go to ARBCOM. On the situation you just took to ANI. I recommend against it. You do have the grounds it seems. But ask you what is necessary for you to calm down and de-escalate. For you to be less emotional right now so that you can take a moment and make a clear decision of the best choice for you? Slow down and think about your next move.
It's never going to be unicorns and sunshine. Every job is important. We have people that just create stubs.Some people make GA's while others break them. There's people that just sit on the noticeboards. There's all kinds of things. Admins aren't more important than newbie editors. Nor are college professors or even Jimbo. -Serialjoepsycho- ( talk) 06:42, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
You should have received an email from me regarding AAAS a few weeks ago - can you please fill out the form linked from that email? If you did not receive the email (check your spam folder), let me know. Thanks, Nikkimaria ( talk) 17:14, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello. Until the recent ANI-discussion and the discussion on Wikipedia talk:Advocacy ducks our paths have never crossed, neither here on Wikipedia or anywhere else, and you have AFAIK never shown any interest in Wikipedia articles about rare species before, so would you mind explaining why you all of a sudden PRODded 14 well sourced and properly formatted stub articles about rare catfish species that I have created? Claiming that they don't belong on en-WP since species.wikipedia.org exist is IMO not a valid reason, especially not without discussing it with me on my talk page first. Thomas.W talk 11:36, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, MONGO. You make a valid point, and your suggestion would certainly make the work much easier than my original approach. I must confess - I tend to be a clutter phobic, or what some refer to anecdotally as OCS (obsessive-compulsive spartanism), [5], but not as it relates to verbosity and I truly am working on the latter. The other issue about reducing the block is a head scratcher for me and I certainly welcome suggestions. If I'm going to apologize for something I've done that was so terrible it warranted a month-long block then I need a reference point (diffs) so I won't do it again and can provide a sincere apology. If the block is about the PROD activity I could certainly admit that I now realize a different approach would have been better (if that truly is the reason for this block), and offer up a sincere apology for creating a bit of a stir over it, but I don't want to use up the appeal process if my apology is based on the wrong reasons, therefore denied. Does that make sense? Atsme 📞 📧 18:36, 7 August 2015 (UTC)