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rather than block the school, why not sprotect Saryn Hooks? I am sending you an email as well... - crz crztalk 14:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
But I welcome advice or argument on the point, I even asked on Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#First_block_review,_please, and they seem to think it's OK. On a side note, how do I tell it's a school IP? AnonEMouse (squeak) 14:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I attend The Peddie School and apologize for the vandalism. I disagree with the statement that we are vandalism-only, see my recent contribution to Cellular Automaton. It seems as though a Peddie Student finds it particularly funny to vandalize Saryn Hooks, this will be mentioned to the dean, but anonymity makes this vandal nonpunishable. I'd like to extend my sincerest apology to the Wikipedia community. nick 20:20, 1 Dec 2006 UTC
Hi AnonEMouse. I've answered your follow-up question. Paul August ☎ 15:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the edit to {{ blp0}}. Given the serious nature of adding someone's name to the List of gay porn stars (thus indicating that they were in a gay porn film, but not neccessarily saying they're gay), would it be inappropriate to skip the earlier versions of the vandal templates and use either {{tl:Blatantvandal}} or {{ blp1}} as a first warning? I know some folks are just fooling around, but I'd be in favor of communicating the seriousness of this sort of edit right away.— Chidom talk 23:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
While you're entitled to your opinion, I don't think we disagree on the basics. Regarding transparency, I believe that the core problem with the arbcom is that, the way things are structured presently, there is no clear and unified rationale for them to communicate. We've been seeing fragmented decisions because they are voted on in pieces. The way most of the arbs work is that they read through the evidence and the summaries and proposals and then vote based on what they have read. For many of the cases, you see all of the decisionmaking there is to see on the case pages themselves; the only discussion on the private mailing list is "hurry up and vote so we can close <name of case>." So the problem isn't that there's hidden discussion, it's that the thought process behind each vote is in each of the arb's heads and never gets written down or communicated at all (except to the extent that they make comments when they vote). This is why I've been putting the emphasis on improving the workshop/proposed decision process and lobbying for more cohesive opinions written by one individual speaking for the committee.
I was an initial advocate for the presence of a private mailing list for the arbcom members, and it was in fact initially hosted on one of my servers. The purpose of doing so was to provide a discussion space where the arbs could each figure out where they stood and what the points of agreement and disagreement were for each decision. The idea was that then representatives from the one, two, or N schools of thought involved would then go and put together an organized summary of all that for the community to read. I don't think that goal has ever been realized, certainly not as much as I would have liked to see. Ultimately, the arbcom itself is best served articulating its reasoning clearly and concisely since it relies so much on widespread support and respect from the community to implement its remedies.
The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I still don't admire the metaphor, you know... Fallen, or walked, into the trap, perhaps? Taken, or swallowed, the bait? Bishonen | talk 22:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC).
I tried to make those responses a tad more clear for people reading, though I didn't change too much. Voice-of-All 22:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
"Voters are requested not to add extensive comments to their votes. An uninvolved party may move long comments to the talk page." — Centrx→ talk • 23:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi there,
Would you mind taking a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bryan_Brandenburg
It needs more input from seasoned editors.
Thank you, Linux monster 00:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jessica Betancourt - crz crztalk 02:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
We seem to have most if not all of the Playmates of the Month, but not every Playboy model - this one seems to have been an online-only and of-the-week. AnonEMouse (squeak) 13:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Wow, worse than Geogre. I thought I knew your problems with Geogre, related to turning up the heat in the Giano case ... but what has Paul August done? He seems quite innocuous, dedicated, and non-controversial. AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, mostly because I'm late for work - this sucks. There's got to be an easier way to get these out quickly. NinaEliza 18:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
My compliments on your synthesis of questions to ask the candidates in the ArbCom elections. They do a very good job of drawing out the opinions of the candidates on very important issues. In addition, as stated, they are quite difficult to answer completely, due to the incredible complexity of the issues you raised. They have served as an excellent gauge of candidate's experience, opinions, and judgment, and I'm finding myself clicking on your subsection for most of the candidates when I go to read their responses to the questions.
Again, thanks and good job! — Lantoka ( talk | contrib) 23:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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The Barnstar of Diligence | |
In honor of your ideas, patience, and concern for the project. Olessi 05:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC) |
Cheers! I left you some responses to our earlier conversation at User talk:Willscrlt#Wikipedia:WikiProject Cocktails template placement. When you have the opportunity, it would be nice to take a look at and salvage any useful information from those deleted articles. Thanks! -- Willscrlt 01:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Got another one for you: Incredible Hulk (cocktail). It was successfully AfD'ed several months ago. Someone recreated it. It was deleted again. Someone recreated it (again). This time I noticed some good info in it (not much, but better than what we currently have in List of cocktails), and I requested (uselessly it appears) that the article remain alive until we finish our cleanup (on or before March 1). Sadly, it was deleted again before I had time to cull the usefull stuff. It sure is frustrating when people delete stuff right and left on you while you're trying to improve things. No pity, no mercy, I guess. An AfD appears to be a permanent seal of doom no matter how someone tries to fix it. *sigh* (Yes, I'm frustrated, can you tell?) Any suggestions for reducing the chance of this type of thing happening again? Thanks. -- Willscrlt 14:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Here, I think I found a source for you. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQE/is_3_15/ai_n6025787/pg_3 This actually gives the history of the drink, and that it's popular. Add in the previous one (this time not misrepresenting what it says), a couple more, and you just might squeak by. The article should focus on the drink's popularity among the hip-hop crowd, its influence on the popularity of Hpnotiq, and history, rather than the recipe. Here is another source that it is the most popular at a specific club in GA. http://www.augusta.com/masters/nightlife/touchofclass.shtml Anoter in CA (it's a New York Times article, which helps a bit) http://travel2.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/fashion/sundaystyles/17BOITE.html?ex=1166072400&en=9cc9d21c53c736d4&ei=5070 Here is a source that cites the cocktail as a reason for the popularity of Hpntiq. http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2004/05/10/tidbits1.html?page=4 http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2004/05/10/tidbits1.html?page=5 Here is a weak one from Honolulu. http://starbulletin.com/2003/11/27/features/story1.html
Put them all together and you just might squeak by. I'll lean on Crz a bit not to speedy it while you're working for a few days. But if by chance it gets deleted again, don't panic even so, see above. AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Dang. My earlier "thank you" for finding all that did not get saved. I had a browser crash, and I guess the edits were still unsaved when it crashed. Anyway, thank you very much for finding all that. I really appreciate it.
New request: Please restore B-52 (cocktail) to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cocktails/Archive/B-52, which is part of the [[ Project Archive. This is a frustrating one, because I just finished highlighting this drink by picturing it in the shooters section and cleaned up all the redirects to it and everything. I was going to add the derivative drinks (B-51, B-52 with Bombay Doors, etc.) all to that one article rather than having all the related drinks listed in the List of cocktails. I didn't know it had already been AfD'ed back in September (before I started cleaning things up).
At least I have some good dialog going at Backdraft (drink) (2nd nomination). Hopefully the outcome will be to keep the article alive through the conclusion of the Cleanup Project, and by then the article should be greatly improved.
Thanks again for all your great help. :-) -- Willscrlt 04:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your clarification on WP:FRINGE and whether it relates to non-scientific fringe theories or not. I would like your advice on just such an application. I am in the middle of a very contentious AfD dispute. The article in question is Jahbulon (there is a link to the AfD on the article page). Here is the debate in a nutshell (and I will try to be NPOV in discribing this)... Some of us (including me) feel that the article has problems with WP:Fringe, and should be either deleted or merged (into another article where FRINGE would not be an issue). Obviously, those supporting the other side very much disagree, and say we are misapplying FRINGE. At this point, I don't know what to think anymore. I think I need a neutral party to read the article, the AfD discussion and the debate on the talk page, and tell me FRINGE applies or not. I will not quote you (you can add your two cents if you fell like it)... I just want a reality check to see if I am completely off the radar or not. Thanks Blueboar 18:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Normally I would be glad. But here, NO, because it was deleted via AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Incredible Hulk (cocktail), where consensus was reached that cocktail is not notable. I think the only remedy is DRV with new evidence (is there new evidence?) - crz crztalk 15:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
(and it had naughty nurses too) Yomangani talk 18:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, AnonEMouse. You seem to be a major editor in the subject and to know Wikipedia's policies in the area much better than I do. So I wonder if you have the time and interest, if you could look in on a work in progress of mine, User:Dekkappai/List of Japanese AV actresses, 1980s. Any advice you can offer on how to improve it, and how to pre-emptively safeguard it against deletion would be most appreciated. I have a few areas of concern/doubt regarding the list myself, but will discuss them with on my talk page if you are willing. Thank you. Regards. Dekkappai 18:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. I have a question for you concerning external links in the List of cocktails. An anon user continually wipes out the three links that I have placed there, along with the notes I have left advising people to 1) list the links alphabetically, 2) what types of sites should and should not be listed, and most importantly, 3) before making changes bring it to the talk pages for discussion.
Here is how I leave it (dashed lines are HTML comments):
That gets reverted to just:
Previously the user had left only the goodcocktails.com site, and the entire description of that site was linked. I guess we are making some progress.
The only dialog I am seeing comes in the comments made during the reverts:
This feels like what could become the start of an edit war. If so, it would be my first. Actually, it won't be, because I refuse to get dragged into one. I'm the first to admit that I do not know all the policies around here, but I do know that repeated reverting can lead to problems (I know there is some jargon for it like 3RVR or something). Furthermore, it's no fun for anyone involved. Additionally, I admit my choices of links are just that -- my choices. I am open to other people's choices and their decisions if the consensus goes contrary to my opinion. Usually after hearing the other side, we can easily reach compromise (thus the reason I have avoided edit wars in the past). This person, however, is not participating in discussions, so I am at a loss.
What are your feelings on the links I selected? Yes, 1001 Cocktails is a commercial site. Is that against Wiki policy? I do not see how when many commercial sites are linked to all the time. The site does contain ads, but they are easily ignored and non-offensive. I weighed the value of the information contained in the site vs. the commercials, and weighed that against several other drink sites I've encountered in my research, and I feel 1001 Cocktails is a worthwhile and useful site, no matter if it is commercial or not. Goodcocktails.com appears to be commercial, but even less so in appearances. It just does not offer as much useful information to me when I am researching artciles for the Project. It's a good site, however, which is why it is one of the three I selected. It certainly shouldn't be the only one listed, because it is too incomplete a resource.
If you see holes in my logic (or think I am outright in the wrong), please let me know so I can mend the errors of my ways. On the other hand, if I appear to be in the right, please advise me on what steps I should try next. Sorry this is so long, but it is the first one of these, so I was probably overly explanatory. Thanks! -- Willscrlt 07:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
The straw poll on the article talk page, Talk:List of cocktails#External Links, seems like an exceelent idea - you may be able to get opinions from experts, of which I'm not one. From looking at the sites myself, the information on all the sites does seem to be rather similar. However, we can count numbers. http://www.goodcocktails.com/recipes/drinks.php | ALL says 1239 recipes. http://www.1001cocktails.com/recipes/ claims 2636 recipes. http://www.cocktaildb.com/index doesn't specify. That would seem to me to be an argument to include the second as well. AnonEMouse (squeak) 14:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Just a heads up. The same anonymous user (with a different IP address) is back at List of cocktails reverting links. In Talk:List of cocktails#External Links he finally responded, but with the same gripes and still somewhat unwilling to engage in any real dialog. I linked to this article in the discussions, so please don't archive it if you can help it. Thanks! -- Willscrlt 01:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey there, finally got around to taking a look again - what an improvement! I'm very impressed. If you nominated it for GA, I'd likely pass it without question. I left a note at the Peer Review, but I'll say it here, too: it's FA quality for sourcing, but a better prose cleanup is likely warranted to get it any further. I don't know if Hoary would be willing to help you - he was indispensable to me during the Babb FAC - but he's great if available. Good luck! -- badlydrawnjeff talk 02:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, when you close an
AfD, could you make sure that you but {{subs:at}}
at the top of the page, above the header. If you don't do that, it messess up the program that counts the pages. Thanks and happy closing!
Cbrown1023
23:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Somehow two images in the Lukas Ridgeston article got deleted and I either wasn't given a heads up or just missed it. How would I go about finding out why they were deleted? I don't want to restore them if they're going to be deleted again, obviously. The images were Image:Ridgeston.jpg and Image:Lucas Ridgeston back cover of 30 Porn-Star Portraits.jpg. I'm fairly certain they were well-sourced and illustrated items in the article. Thanks.— Chidom talk 05:40, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Please revert yourself so that cquote redirects to bquote. It cannot be used in articles until it has been fixed. The template uses the click template and a table in place of a blockquote, which is unacceptable. Please discuss changes in the future instead of revert warring. — Omegatron 16:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
As you nominated Jenna Jameson for GA status and seem to be one of the primary contributors to the article, I wanted to congratulate you on its excellence. I have deemed it as a Good Article; lo, so it is written, and so it shall be done. Great job- personally, I think it could be an FA. -- Kicking222 15:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate your comments on the racism category and I want to thank you for stating them in a way that was a little more diplomatic than me. I am in full agreement that there would be a never ending list of articles added to the catgory that would be counterproductive. -- Mrtrey99 20:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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Hi again, AnonEMouse. I'm still learning how Wikipedia works, so I'm not sure if some things that I personally think are not quite right are the way Wikipedia works normally, and I should just get used to them... Anyway, I have some concerns about some recent actions here-- An editor acquaintance of mine ( User talk:Hexvoodoo) had posted invitations at related pages to join an outside project he had started. The last instance of this posting was several weeks ago, yet he was blocked without warning for "spamming." Also, the admin who did this has stated that inviting concerned parties to AfD discussions constitutes spam, and implied that a user could be blocked for doing this. Are both these correct? Dekkappai 19:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
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rather than block the school, why not sprotect Saryn Hooks? I am sending you an email as well... - crz crztalk 14:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
But I welcome advice or argument on the point, I even asked on Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#First_block_review,_please, and they seem to think it's OK. On a side note, how do I tell it's a school IP? AnonEMouse (squeak) 14:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I attend The Peddie School and apologize for the vandalism. I disagree with the statement that we are vandalism-only, see my recent contribution to Cellular Automaton. It seems as though a Peddie Student finds it particularly funny to vandalize Saryn Hooks, this will be mentioned to the dean, but anonymity makes this vandal nonpunishable. I'd like to extend my sincerest apology to the Wikipedia community. nick 20:20, 1 Dec 2006 UTC
Hi AnonEMouse. I've answered your follow-up question. Paul August ☎ 15:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the edit to {{ blp0}}. Given the serious nature of adding someone's name to the List of gay porn stars (thus indicating that they were in a gay porn film, but not neccessarily saying they're gay), would it be inappropriate to skip the earlier versions of the vandal templates and use either {{tl:Blatantvandal}} or {{ blp1}} as a first warning? I know some folks are just fooling around, but I'd be in favor of communicating the seriousness of this sort of edit right away.— Chidom talk 23:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
While you're entitled to your opinion, I don't think we disagree on the basics. Regarding transparency, I believe that the core problem with the arbcom is that, the way things are structured presently, there is no clear and unified rationale for them to communicate. We've been seeing fragmented decisions because they are voted on in pieces. The way most of the arbs work is that they read through the evidence and the summaries and proposals and then vote based on what they have read. For many of the cases, you see all of the decisionmaking there is to see on the case pages themselves; the only discussion on the private mailing list is "hurry up and vote so we can close <name of case>." So the problem isn't that there's hidden discussion, it's that the thought process behind each vote is in each of the arb's heads and never gets written down or communicated at all (except to the extent that they make comments when they vote). This is why I've been putting the emphasis on improving the workshop/proposed decision process and lobbying for more cohesive opinions written by one individual speaking for the committee.
I was an initial advocate for the presence of a private mailing list for the arbcom members, and it was in fact initially hosted on one of my servers. The purpose of doing so was to provide a discussion space where the arbs could each figure out where they stood and what the points of agreement and disagreement were for each decision. The idea was that then representatives from the one, two, or N schools of thought involved would then go and put together an organized summary of all that for the community to read. I don't think that goal has ever been realized, certainly not as much as I would have liked to see. Ultimately, the arbcom itself is best served articulating its reasoning clearly and concisely since it relies so much on widespread support and respect from the community to implement its remedies.
The Uninvited Co., Inc. 21:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I still don't admire the metaphor, you know... Fallen, or walked, into the trap, perhaps? Taken, or swallowed, the bait? Bishonen | talk 22:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC).
I tried to make those responses a tad more clear for people reading, though I didn't change too much. Voice-of-All 22:36, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
"Voters are requested not to add extensive comments to their votes. An uninvolved party may move long comments to the talk page." — Centrx→ talk • 23:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi there,
Would you mind taking a look at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bryan_Brandenburg
It needs more input from seasoned editors.
Thank you, Linux monster 00:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jessica Betancourt - crz crztalk 02:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
We seem to have most if not all of the Playmates of the Month, but not every Playboy model - this one seems to have been an online-only and of-the-week. AnonEMouse (squeak) 13:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Wow, worse than Geogre. I thought I knew your problems with Geogre, related to turning up the heat in the Giano case ... but what has Paul August done? He seems quite innocuous, dedicated, and non-controversial. AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, mostly because I'm late for work - this sucks. There's got to be an easier way to get these out quickly. NinaEliza 18:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
My compliments on your synthesis of questions to ask the candidates in the ArbCom elections. They do a very good job of drawing out the opinions of the candidates on very important issues. In addition, as stated, they are quite difficult to answer completely, due to the incredible complexity of the issues you raised. They have served as an excellent gauge of candidate's experience, opinions, and judgment, and I'm finding myself clicking on your subsection for most of the candidates when I go to read their responses to the questions.
Again, thanks and good job! — Lantoka ( talk | contrib) 23:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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The Barnstar of Diligence | |
In honor of your ideas, patience, and concern for the project. Olessi 05:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC) |
Cheers! I left you some responses to our earlier conversation at User talk:Willscrlt#Wikipedia:WikiProject Cocktails template placement. When you have the opportunity, it would be nice to take a look at and salvage any useful information from those deleted articles. Thanks! -- Willscrlt 01:52, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Got another one for you: Incredible Hulk (cocktail). It was successfully AfD'ed several months ago. Someone recreated it. It was deleted again. Someone recreated it (again). This time I noticed some good info in it (not much, but better than what we currently have in List of cocktails), and I requested (uselessly it appears) that the article remain alive until we finish our cleanup (on or before March 1). Sadly, it was deleted again before I had time to cull the usefull stuff. It sure is frustrating when people delete stuff right and left on you while you're trying to improve things. No pity, no mercy, I guess. An AfD appears to be a permanent seal of doom no matter how someone tries to fix it. *sigh* (Yes, I'm frustrated, can you tell?) Any suggestions for reducing the chance of this type of thing happening again? Thanks. -- Willscrlt 14:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Here, I think I found a source for you. http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQE/is_3_15/ai_n6025787/pg_3 This actually gives the history of the drink, and that it's popular. Add in the previous one (this time not misrepresenting what it says), a couple more, and you just might squeak by. The article should focus on the drink's popularity among the hip-hop crowd, its influence on the popularity of Hpnotiq, and history, rather than the recipe. Here is another source that it is the most popular at a specific club in GA. http://www.augusta.com/masters/nightlife/touchofclass.shtml Anoter in CA (it's a New York Times article, which helps a bit) http://travel2.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/fashion/sundaystyles/17BOITE.html?ex=1166072400&en=9cc9d21c53c736d4&ei=5070 Here is a source that cites the cocktail as a reason for the popularity of Hpntiq. http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2004/05/10/tidbits1.html?page=4 http://charlotte.bizjournals.com/charlotte/stories/2004/05/10/tidbits1.html?page=5 Here is a weak one from Honolulu. http://starbulletin.com/2003/11/27/features/story1.html
Put them all together and you just might squeak by. I'll lean on Crz a bit not to speedy it while you're working for a few days. But if by chance it gets deleted again, don't panic even so, see above. AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Dang. My earlier "thank you" for finding all that did not get saved. I had a browser crash, and I guess the edits were still unsaved when it crashed. Anyway, thank you very much for finding all that. I really appreciate it.
New request: Please restore B-52 (cocktail) to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cocktails/Archive/B-52, which is part of the [[ Project Archive. This is a frustrating one, because I just finished highlighting this drink by picturing it in the shooters section and cleaned up all the redirects to it and everything. I was going to add the derivative drinks (B-51, B-52 with Bombay Doors, etc.) all to that one article rather than having all the related drinks listed in the List of cocktails. I didn't know it had already been AfD'ed back in September (before I started cleaning things up).
At least I have some good dialog going at Backdraft (drink) (2nd nomination). Hopefully the outcome will be to keep the article alive through the conclusion of the Cleanup Project, and by then the article should be greatly improved.
Thanks again for all your great help. :-) -- Willscrlt 04:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your clarification on WP:FRINGE and whether it relates to non-scientific fringe theories or not. I would like your advice on just such an application. I am in the middle of a very contentious AfD dispute. The article in question is Jahbulon (there is a link to the AfD on the article page). Here is the debate in a nutshell (and I will try to be NPOV in discribing this)... Some of us (including me) feel that the article has problems with WP:Fringe, and should be either deleted or merged (into another article where FRINGE would not be an issue). Obviously, those supporting the other side very much disagree, and say we are misapplying FRINGE. At this point, I don't know what to think anymore. I think I need a neutral party to read the article, the AfD discussion and the debate on the talk page, and tell me FRINGE applies or not. I will not quote you (you can add your two cents if you fell like it)... I just want a reality check to see if I am completely off the radar or not. Thanks Blueboar 18:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Normally I would be glad. But here, NO, because it was deleted via AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Incredible Hulk (cocktail), where consensus was reached that cocktail is not notable. I think the only remedy is DRV with new evidence (is there new evidence?) - crz crztalk 15:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
(and it had naughty nurses too) Yomangani talk 18:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, AnonEMouse. You seem to be a major editor in the subject and to know Wikipedia's policies in the area much better than I do. So I wonder if you have the time and interest, if you could look in on a work in progress of mine, User:Dekkappai/List of Japanese AV actresses, 1980s. Any advice you can offer on how to improve it, and how to pre-emptively safeguard it against deletion would be most appreciated. I have a few areas of concern/doubt regarding the list myself, but will discuss them with on my talk page if you are willing. Thank you. Regards. Dekkappai 18:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. I have a question for you concerning external links in the List of cocktails. An anon user continually wipes out the three links that I have placed there, along with the notes I have left advising people to 1) list the links alphabetically, 2) what types of sites should and should not be listed, and most importantly, 3) before making changes bring it to the talk pages for discussion.
Here is how I leave it (dashed lines are HTML comments):
That gets reverted to just:
Previously the user had left only the goodcocktails.com site, and the entire description of that site was linked. I guess we are making some progress.
The only dialog I am seeing comes in the comments made during the reverts:
This feels like what could become the start of an edit war. If so, it would be my first. Actually, it won't be, because I refuse to get dragged into one. I'm the first to admit that I do not know all the policies around here, but I do know that repeated reverting can lead to problems (I know there is some jargon for it like 3RVR or something). Furthermore, it's no fun for anyone involved. Additionally, I admit my choices of links are just that -- my choices. I am open to other people's choices and their decisions if the consensus goes contrary to my opinion. Usually after hearing the other side, we can easily reach compromise (thus the reason I have avoided edit wars in the past). This person, however, is not participating in discussions, so I am at a loss.
What are your feelings on the links I selected? Yes, 1001 Cocktails is a commercial site. Is that against Wiki policy? I do not see how when many commercial sites are linked to all the time. The site does contain ads, but they are easily ignored and non-offensive. I weighed the value of the information contained in the site vs. the commercials, and weighed that against several other drink sites I've encountered in my research, and I feel 1001 Cocktails is a worthwhile and useful site, no matter if it is commercial or not. Goodcocktails.com appears to be commercial, but even less so in appearances. It just does not offer as much useful information to me when I am researching artciles for the Project. It's a good site, however, which is why it is one of the three I selected. It certainly shouldn't be the only one listed, because it is too incomplete a resource.
If you see holes in my logic (or think I am outright in the wrong), please let me know so I can mend the errors of my ways. On the other hand, if I appear to be in the right, please advise me on what steps I should try next. Sorry this is so long, but it is the first one of these, so I was probably overly explanatory. Thanks! -- Willscrlt 07:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
The straw poll on the article talk page, Talk:List of cocktails#External Links, seems like an exceelent idea - you may be able to get opinions from experts, of which I'm not one. From looking at the sites myself, the information on all the sites does seem to be rather similar. However, we can count numbers. http://www.goodcocktails.com/recipes/drinks.php | ALL says 1239 recipes. http://www.1001cocktails.com/recipes/ claims 2636 recipes. http://www.cocktaildb.com/index doesn't specify. That would seem to me to be an argument to include the second as well. AnonEMouse (squeak) 14:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Just a heads up. The same anonymous user (with a different IP address) is back at List of cocktails reverting links. In Talk:List of cocktails#External Links he finally responded, but with the same gripes and still somewhat unwilling to engage in any real dialog. I linked to this article in the discussions, so please don't archive it if you can help it. Thanks! -- Willscrlt 01:38, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey there, finally got around to taking a look again - what an improvement! I'm very impressed. If you nominated it for GA, I'd likely pass it without question. I left a note at the Peer Review, but I'll say it here, too: it's FA quality for sourcing, but a better prose cleanup is likely warranted to get it any further. I don't know if Hoary would be willing to help you - he was indispensable to me during the Babb FAC - but he's great if available. Good luck! -- badlydrawnjeff talk 02:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, when you close an
AfD, could you make sure that you but {{subs:at}}
at the top of the page, above the header. If you don't do that, it messess up the program that counts the pages. Thanks and happy closing!
Cbrown1023
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Somehow two images in the Lukas Ridgeston article got deleted and I either wasn't given a heads up or just missed it. How would I go about finding out why they were deleted? I don't want to restore them if they're going to be deleted again, obviously. The images were Image:Ridgeston.jpg and Image:Lucas Ridgeston back cover of 30 Porn-Star Portraits.jpg. I'm fairly certain they were well-sourced and illustrated items in the article. Thanks.— Chidom talk 05:40, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Please revert yourself so that cquote redirects to bquote. It cannot be used in articles until it has been fixed. The template uses the click template and a table in place of a blockquote, which is unacceptable. Please discuss changes in the future instead of revert warring. — Omegatron 16:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
As you nominated Jenna Jameson for GA status and seem to be one of the primary contributors to the article, I wanted to congratulate you on its excellence. I have deemed it as a Good Article; lo, so it is written, and so it shall be done. Great job- personally, I think it could be an FA. -- Kicking222 15:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate your comments on the racism category and I want to thank you for stating them in a way that was a little more diplomatic than me. I am in full agreement that there would be a never ending list of articles added to the catgory that would be counterproductive. -- Mrtrey99 20:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
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Hi again, AnonEMouse. I'm still learning how Wikipedia works, so I'm not sure if some things that I personally think are not quite right are the way Wikipedia works normally, and I should just get used to them... Anyway, I have some concerns about some recent actions here-- An editor acquaintance of mine ( User talk:Hexvoodoo) had posted invitations at related pages to join an outside project he had started. The last instance of this posting was several weeks ago, yet he was blocked without warning for "spamming." Also, the admin who did this has stated that inviting concerned parties to AfD discussions constitutes spam, and implied that a user could be blocked for doing this. Are both these correct? Dekkappai 19:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)