EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 16:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey -- sorry I let that message get by me before. In response, no I think AfD is a bad idea. The phenomenon of a shock site is documented enough to be a reasonable encyclopedia topic, and there have been four AfD's on List of shock sites before it was merged to Shock site that you should look over; see Talk:List of shock sites for the links. They were bitter battles that amounted to nothing useful... and the article is in better shape now than it was during those debates. Mango juice talk 23:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
It was my signature that I edited. Please do not revert. -- Anon 64 02:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Stop the reverts. OK? -- Blue Tie 19:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
My dear Andy, I simply wanted to thank you for your kind words on my talk page - and to tell you that your first judgement was correct, I am not an admin! ;) Your most generous offer to nominate me is also much apreciatted, as I have seen your opinions at RfA and you strike me as both a thoughtful and a demanding editor, who wishes top-notch quality in a candidate before lending his support. But, just to let you know, hun - I've declined a nomination just today, for the motives I express there. I may choose to go for it in a few days, but my real life goes first; and I need to wait for a while before considering the idea. This being said, I am very glad that you decided to approach me with your kind offer. It means so much to me, that I care little about adminship - being gifted the beautiful gesture you've given me today is a treasure in itself. Big hug, Phædriel ♥ tell me - 16:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
No problem. :) Once the timer-thingy ends and everybody is still alive, this will be entirely forgotten. -- M e rovingian { T C @} 00:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry but you are mistaken, I was editing the "nonsense" that another user made.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Twistedxxsilence ( talk • contribs)
I understand, a simple mistake. I just hate it when people abuse this site. You were doing your job, no harm done. Keep up the good work!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Twistedxxsilence ( talk • contribs)
Hello! Just to let you know, with every respect, Ms. Lohan is a US actress and the spelling in the US is "modeled". That was part of a reversion of a few edits, by the way. Thanks for understanding. RadioKirk ( u| t| c) 01:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Any particular reason you don't have email enabled? Petros471 13:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Aye, obviously check the contribs. Hopefully the block log will say who the user is a suspected sock of (so you can compare), if not like you say check the blocking admin's contribs/block log at around the same time to see. I ask that one because I have had a few people email me for real with similar situation. Obviously common sense is needed when deciding what to do... It is quite common in situations when a batch of socks are being blocked at once for an innocent new account to be blocked at the same time by mistake along with the load of real socks. I've made that mistake myself (AFAIK only once!), so it does crop up. Petros471 21:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
According to WP:EL
Wikipedia is not a web directory; no page should consist solely of a collection of external links. Wikipedia always prefers internal links over external links. However, adding a certain number of relevant external links is of valuable service to our readers.
None of this applies to Cheating in Counter-Strike even remotely. The article is >60 kb and you'd need hundreds of external links to get even close to "dwarfing" the actual article.
Don't get Wikilaywering on me. I've worked on this Article a lot longer than you. This particular link has been added a couple times already by various people. (As such it had to be removed occasionally because it was found to be linked several times) You're just fighting windmills there.
External sources are important in order to verify information given in an article, per WP:V. As such it does not matter whether it is a commercial link or not - Being able to verify does not mean being able to do so for free. In addition, the article hints that there is a commercial aspect at cheating, and this particular, "commercial" link only illustrates that. As such, it is important to link to the site for the integrity of the article.
To sum it up: Just leave it in. There's other things that need more attention than stupid cheatsite links. 84.75.130.173 18:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Spamming EL-wise would mean it is linked purely as an advertisement in an otherwise unrelated article BUY V1AGR4!. Spamming contentwise would mean the article itself serves as an advertisement. V1AGR4 IS GREAT! Neither is the case. It is, just like all others, a valid and valuable external link. It has been added several times by several people in a good faith attempt to increase the number of quality external links in the article, and there is absolutely no excuse for removing it. Remember, removal of content for no reason is Vandalism. Before I move around and remove "commercial links" from all articles in Wikipedia in a pure and blatant violation of WP:POINT tell me one good reason why this link should not be there. 84.75.130.173 01:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Listen to people who know better than you: Revert your changes. People add these links because that is how a wiki works: If something's missing, it's added. If something's wrong, it's changed. Moving around and removing content that you - for some reason - do not like is not the way things are done. The whole thing has a history that you know nothing about, and the decision to allow inclusion of links such as the one you removed has been agreed on by everyone who has worked on the article for any longer amount of time. What you do is you chose to vandalize an Article, without bothering to look up the talk pages, to seek contact or to see if there has been any special argument regarding the changes that you want to make. That is NOT the right course of action. 84.75.130.173 06:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
See, you give away that you oppose the inclusion of cheat sites in Wikipedia, not this particular link. I originally was also very sceptical about this. But eventually it comes down to WIKIPEDIA IS NOT CENSORED. Ahem. As I pointed out, if you had cared to read the talk page, you would know about the more detailed ramifications of this non-issue. If you require further assistance with this particular issue/application of policy, may I forward you to Talk:Cheating_in_Counter-Strike where you are invited to question my reasoning - I should be able to answer briefly and clearly now, providing a sum-up of the situation on the talk page may help prevent future misunderstandings of this nature. 84.75.130.173 09:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I intended to reverse vandalism not commit any myself. When I deleted the contents of the page I was removing a copy of an article completely unrelated (I cannot remember what it was now, but is was something quite offensive sodemy, anal sex or something of the like. However, the page was restored by the antivandlism bot so I deleted it angain. The table of populations certainly wasn't what I deleted. I only intend to prevent offense.
--
87.113.27.110 20:29, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Where ( talk • contribs)
Thanks I didn't know how to revert the page, thanks for showing me and apologising!
-- 87.113.27.110 22:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Surely that's not healthly! Petros471 07:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for leaving the userbox on my page, i'm constantly updating it now :) Just changed it to 500 :)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Draicone ( talk • contribs)
Aylesbury Grammar School is an article to watch for vandalism, I see you've been editing it. I had to revert to one of your edits because of somebody from the school itself vandalising it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Draicone ( talk • contribs)
Hi there: I know, and support, Wikipedia's policy of open access to editors to all articles. But the article to which you have just added a ship-stub, Ajax class battleships, I was actually in process of typing when you stuck the stub tag on. I don't mind enthusiasm, but please keep an eye on the history of the article you edit, which includes the times of additions. I had inserted an underconstruction template, which you ignored. I have deleted your stub comment.-- Anthony.bradbury 19:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi again: incidentally, if you're interested, I am currently working through all the battleships from Warrior onwards. If you call up the article "List of battleships of the Royal Navy" and select part three "Steam-powered ironclad battleships 1860-1905" you will see that from Warrior to Ajax there are articles. Most of them are written by me. Hence my excitement at your intervention. Friends?-- Anthony.bradbury 21:23, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
See Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#This_is_a_Wikipedia_first... It could be true. Might not be, but we're not going to treat that user as a vandal at the moment. Petros471 22:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I understand where you're coming from with the warning on my talk page, but in my defense that dude repeatedly wrote "SatanisGod" on the page that encouraged me to do that. I will admit to feeding trolls, but not to biting newbies. Still, you are right, I should avoid corrupting wikipedia. ReverendG 23:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
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Be bold . I'm fairly brutal when I see them; smoe would prob be appropriate on most articles, but you let one or two decent ones get listed, next thing you know every discount online schlock vendor wants to be on there.... Bridesmill 07:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping an eye on my user talk page~ ^_^ -- WinHunter ( talk) 08:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually, that was pretty civil. I mean that sincerely and thank you. 66.218.22.61 09:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, you left a comment on my board about making sure I read the rules of "removing External Links and Spam Control"
Just to let you know, Ive read all the WP sites here, and I am also an active member in Spam Control along with all the various other projects that WP needs. My page may not be all descriptive and fancy like many on here, but I certainly dont just go to a page and rip it to pieces for the hell of it. I am sure the two of us have very different visions when it comes to editing and I never remove external links unless they don't belong on a page. WP is not a Yahoo Open Directory, and part of what makes WP is being accountable for everything on an article, including what it links to. And sad to say, most of the external links people put on the articles just do not belong. -- Ownlyanangel 09:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Greetings, Andypandy.UK. The judges would like to announce that the winner for the Esperanza User Page Contest has been chosen. Congratulations to Fir0002 for winning the contest. The winning entry can be found here.
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Hello! 12:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Fine, we disagree. I will just let you attack some other person who looks at your site....and if you dont think your links dont have spam in them, then bring it up with Wikipedia because youre site is on the list. Spam doesnt always mean what you think, it also denotes useless links....such as WEB DIRECTORIES. The fact that your page has 2 directores is just preposterous...especially when, if you read WP, the rules are clear that this isnt a web directory. So if you would just remove those 2 open directory links, the spam tag will permanently leave your page....thats all Im asking, than I can move on and you can move on.-- Ownlyanangel 07:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Im not attacking you at all. Im just saying that you are skipping around the subject entirely. The 2 links that were so carefully chosen do not belong on the site. They are open directory sites, thats not what Wikipedia is about. If you dont believe me, look up the info on WP: SM, and you will see that there is a subsection about directories and how WP is not a link farm. Why would your site be listed as a spam site if it didnt have a site or two that didt belong? -- Ownlyanangel 07:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, you removed a user i reported. It was'nt 100% about spam, he also vandalised my user page twice and was warned he was also uncivil in his vandalism and towards me, he also recieved lots of differnt warnings. Matthew Fenton ( contribs) 10:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Apologies. Bit slow on the rules.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Clickatell ( talk • contribs)
If they have an inapropate username, should I warn them or just leave them be? Laurence 1
EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 16:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey -- sorry I let that message get by me before. In response, no I think AfD is a bad idea. The phenomenon of a shock site is documented enough to be a reasonable encyclopedia topic, and there have been four AfD's on List of shock sites before it was merged to Shock site that you should look over; see Talk:List of shock sites for the links. They were bitter battles that amounted to nothing useful... and the article is in better shape now than it was during those debates. Mango juice talk 23:40, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
It was my signature that I edited. Please do not revert. -- Anon 64 02:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Stop the reverts. OK? -- Blue Tie 19:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
My dear Andy, I simply wanted to thank you for your kind words on my talk page - and to tell you that your first judgement was correct, I am not an admin! ;) Your most generous offer to nominate me is also much apreciatted, as I have seen your opinions at RfA and you strike me as both a thoughtful and a demanding editor, who wishes top-notch quality in a candidate before lending his support. But, just to let you know, hun - I've declined a nomination just today, for the motives I express there. I may choose to go for it in a few days, but my real life goes first; and I need to wait for a while before considering the idea. This being said, I am very glad that you decided to approach me with your kind offer. It means so much to me, that I care little about adminship - being gifted the beautiful gesture you've given me today is a treasure in itself. Big hug, Phædriel ♥ tell me - 16:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
No problem. :) Once the timer-thingy ends and everybody is still alive, this will be entirely forgotten. -- M e rovingian { T C @} 00:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry but you are mistaken, I was editing the "nonsense" that another user made.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Twistedxxsilence ( talk • contribs)
I understand, a simple mistake. I just hate it when people abuse this site. You were doing your job, no harm done. Keep up the good work!—Preceding unsigned comment added by Twistedxxsilence ( talk • contribs)
Hello! Just to let you know, with every respect, Ms. Lohan is a US actress and the spelling in the US is "modeled". That was part of a reversion of a few edits, by the way. Thanks for understanding. RadioKirk ( u| t| c) 01:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Any particular reason you don't have email enabled? Petros471 13:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Aye, obviously check the contribs. Hopefully the block log will say who the user is a suspected sock of (so you can compare), if not like you say check the blocking admin's contribs/block log at around the same time to see. I ask that one because I have had a few people email me for real with similar situation. Obviously common sense is needed when deciding what to do... It is quite common in situations when a batch of socks are being blocked at once for an innocent new account to be blocked at the same time by mistake along with the load of real socks. I've made that mistake myself (AFAIK only once!), so it does crop up. Petros471 21:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
According to WP:EL
Wikipedia is not a web directory; no page should consist solely of a collection of external links. Wikipedia always prefers internal links over external links. However, adding a certain number of relevant external links is of valuable service to our readers.
None of this applies to Cheating in Counter-Strike even remotely. The article is >60 kb and you'd need hundreds of external links to get even close to "dwarfing" the actual article.
Don't get Wikilaywering on me. I've worked on this Article a lot longer than you. This particular link has been added a couple times already by various people. (As such it had to be removed occasionally because it was found to be linked several times) You're just fighting windmills there.
External sources are important in order to verify information given in an article, per WP:V. As such it does not matter whether it is a commercial link or not - Being able to verify does not mean being able to do so for free. In addition, the article hints that there is a commercial aspect at cheating, and this particular, "commercial" link only illustrates that. As such, it is important to link to the site for the integrity of the article.
To sum it up: Just leave it in. There's other things that need more attention than stupid cheatsite links. 84.75.130.173 18:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Spamming EL-wise would mean it is linked purely as an advertisement in an otherwise unrelated article BUY V1AGR4!. Spamming contentwise would mean the article itself serves as an advertisement. V1AGR4 IS GREAT! Neither is the case. It is, just like all others, a valid and valuable external link. It has been added several times by several people in a good faith attempt to increase the number of quality external links in the article, and there is absolutely no excuse for removing it. Remember, removal of content for no reason is Vandalism. Before I move around and remove "commercial links" from all articles in Wikipedia in a pure and blatant violation of WP:POINT tell me one good reason why this link should not be there. 84.75.130.173 01:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Listen to people who know better than you: Revert your changes. People add these links because that is how a wiki works: If something's missing, it's added. If something's wrong, it's changed. Moving around and removing content that you - for some reason - do not like is not the way things are done. The whole thing has a history that you know nothing about, and the decision to allow inclusion of links such as the one you removed has been agreed on by everyone who has worked on the article for any longer amount of time. What you do is you chose to vandalize an Article, without bothering to look up the talk pages, to seek contact or to see if there has been any special argument regarding the changes that you want to make. That is NOT the right course of action. 84.75.130.173 06:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
See, you give away that you oppose the inclusion of cheat sites in Wikipedia, not this particular link. I originally was also very sceptical about this. But eventually it comes down to WIKIPEDIA IS NOT CENSORED. Ahem. As I pointed out, if you had cared to read the talk page, you would know about the more detailed ramifications of this non-issue. If you require further assistance with this particular issue/application of policy, may I forward you to Talk:Cheating_in_Counter-Strike where you are invited to question my reasoning - I should be able to answer briefly and clearly now, providing a sum-up of the situation on the talk page may help prevent future misunderstandings of this nature. 84.75.130.173 09:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I intended to reverse vandalism not commit any myself. When I deleted the contents of the page I was removing a copy of an article completely unrelated (I cannot remember what it was now, but is was something quite offensive sodemy, anal sex or something of the like. However, the page was restored by the antivandlism bot so I deleted it angain. The table of populations certainly wasn't what I deleted. I only intend to prevent offense.
--
87.113.27.110 20:29, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Where ( talk • contribs)
Thanks I didn't know how to revert the page, thanks for showing me and apologising!
-- 87.113.27.110 22:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Surely that's not healthly! Petros471 07:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for leaving the userbox on my page, i'm constantly updating it now :) Just changed it to 500 :)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Draicone ( talk • contribs)
Aylesbury Grammar School is an article to watch for vandalism, I see you've been editing it. I had to revert to one of your edits because of somebody from the school itself vandalising it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Draicone ( talk • contribs)
Hi there: I know, and support, Wikipedia's policy of open access to editors to all articles. But the article to which you have just added a ship-stub, Ajax class battleships, I was actually in process of typing when you stuck the stub tag on. I don't mind enthusiasm, but please keep an eye on the history of the article you edit, which includes the times of additions. I had inserted an underconstruction template, which you ignored. I have deleted your stub comment.-- Anthony.bradbury 19:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi again: incidentally, if you're interested, I am currently working through all the battleships from Warrior onwards. If you call up the article "List of battleships of the Royal Navy" and select part three "Steam-powered ironclad battleships 1860-1905" you will see that from Warrior to Ajax there are articles. Most of them are written by me. Hence my excitement at your intervention. Friends?-- Anthony.bradbury 21:23, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
See Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship#This_is_a_Wikipedia_first... It could be true. Might not be, but we're not going to treat that user as a vandal at the moment. Petros471 22:18, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I understand where you're coming from with the warning on my talk page, but in my defense that dude repeatedly wrote "SatanisGod" on the page that encouraged me to do that. I will admit to feeding trolls, but not to biting newbies. Still, you are right, I should avoid corrupting wikipedia. ReverendG 23:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
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Be bold . I'm fairly brutal when I see them; smoe would prob be appropriate on most articles, but you let one or two decent ones get listed, next thing you know every discount online schlock vendor wants to be on there.... Bridesmill 07:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping an eye on my user talk page~ ^_^ -- WinHunter ( talk) 08:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Actually, that was pretty civil. I mean that sincerely and thank you. 66.218.22.61 09:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, you left a comment on my board about making sure I read the rules of "removing External Links and Spam Control"
Just to let you know, Ive read all the WP sites here, and I am also an active member in Spam Control along with all the various other projects that WP needs. My page may not be all descriptive and fancy like many on here, but I certainly dont just go to a page and rip it to pieces for the hell of it. I am sure the two of us have very different visions when it comes to editing and I never remove external links unless they don't belong on a page. WP is not a Yahoo Open Directory, and part of what makes WP is being accountable for everything on an article, including what it links to. And sad to say, most of the external links people put on the articles just do not belong. -- Ownlyanangel 09:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Greetings, Andypandy.UK. The judges would like to announce that the winner for the Esperanza User Page Contest has been chosen. Congratulations to Fir0002 for winning the contest. The winning entry can be found here.
If you'd like to participate in the contest again, check by the
contest page in a few days and sign up. See you around.
fetofs
Hello! 12:58, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Fine, we disagree. I will just let you attack some other person who looks at your site....and if you dont think your links dont have spam in them, then bring it up with Wikipedia because youre site is on the list. Spam doesnt always mean what you think, it also denotes useless links....such as WEB DIRECTORIES. The fact that your page has 2 directores is just preposterous...especially when, if you read WP, the rules are clear that this isnt a web directory. So if you would just remove those 2 open directory links, the spam tag will permanently leave your page....thats all Im asking, than I can move on and you can move on.-- Ownlyanangel 07:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Im not attacking you at all. Im just saying that you are skipping around the subject entirely. The 2 links that were so carefully chosen do not belong on the site. They are open directory sites, thats not what Wikipedia is about. If you dont believe me, look up the info on WP: SM, and you will see that there is a subsection about directories and how WP is not a link farm. Why would your site be listed as a spam site if it didnt have a site or two that didt belong? -- Ownlyanangel 07:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, you removed a user i reported. It was'nt 100% about spam, he also vandalised my user page twice and was warned he was also uncivil in his vandalism and towards me, he also recieved lots of differnt warnings. Matthew Fenton ( contribs) 10:23, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Apologies. Bit slow on the rules.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Clickatell ( talk • contribs)
If they have an inapropate username, should I warn them or just leave them be? Laurence 1