I have a problem that I would like to impart to all you good 'Beatles project' editors, and it is this:
Please answer (on a stamped and self-addressed postcard please) on our talk page. (This might be more interesting than talking about MBEs... :) andreasegde, Mr Hornby, and Sir Sean de Garde 15:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I have to admit that I have run out of energy on this gargantuan task. (I may be experiencing my first bout of 'Wiki-stress', and I don't like it very much). I will now concentrate on Mimi and George Smith, Julia and Freddie Lennon, and Jim and Mary McCartney for a while (if only to dispel some Urban Legends). If anyone wants a citation for something specific, please leave a message on my talk page. andreasegde, Mr Hornby, Sir Sean de Garde, John Bender and Raoul McKnickers 02:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I find that I am really enjoying working on Mimi Smith (if that were possible, Vicar) and I am free of interference from vandals (she's not that interesting to them..) It also means that a lot of interesting stuff gets put in about The Beatles (that I never knew before). I'm having fun, and I hope you are too. andreasegde 19:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
It's really late, but I just finally read through the new Lennon and have some comments that I don't want to forget, so forgive my incoherence. Wow - you did an amazing job!
OK:
Back to Tvoz | talk: A few continuity problems:
Before, the piece was too rambling and all over the place - your chronological organization definitely makes more sense - but in these few places (possibly in another one or two, but these were the ones that bothered me) there is a continuity problem - any thoughts about how to handle it? Too late at night for me to think - I'll look at it again when both eyes are open.
Great job though - I'm not happy that so much had to be cut, because I think it tends to get a little choppy as a result, and I miss some of the language, but I do understand why you've done that. Thanks for all that work. And now, for real, good night. Tvoz | talk 09:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks (as always) for your comments, dearest Tvoz. I started work on it, and threw a load of stuff in, but I didn't really go through everything. I had an overload of pages (I was working on The Beatles, Macca and Lennon at the same time) and my brain crashed, so I went to the stubs to rebuild my original enthusiasm. (I'm really enjoying it, BTW.) Anyway, if there's anything you want to change, then you are the person to do it. Go for it... andreasegde 20:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. "Aunt Mater" is confusing, because 'Mater' means mother. She was Lennon's Aunt Elizabeth, but (like Mimi and Julia) she was known by another name - from Elizabeth to Betty, and then to Mater. Funnily enough, this never occured to me before, but your eagle-eyes spotted it (again) :) andreasegde 20:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! see my talk... this bit of writing on one place and answering on the other is so idiotic - maybe I'll use this opportunity to change mine.. but then I'll forget and completely confuse myself and everyone else Tvoz | talk 06:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I reviewed it as a B article, then I thought I'd 'jump in the deep end'. (I have nominated it for GA). To Hell with the doubters - let rip, unfurl the pennants, and 'strike while the iron's hot', as the boys and girls from the 'East Leeds Labour Club Pensioners International Line-dancing Formation Team' say (when they put their dentures in). Sir Sean de Garde and the other mob 02:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I say old bean, most kind I'm sure! But how does one get all those bally words into such a little thunderbox? Could use a little advice, if of course the fuzzies hold orf long enough, what? Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead. VC
Not sure what you're saying when you quote Star Trek ("to boldly go"); I assume you mean that if they do it, it must be OK. That's certainly one view of it, although the way people talk on television is actually pretty atrocious and not generally a good model. McTavidge 15:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I say M'lud, dashed cunning little devices these eh? One of one's suborbdanants has informed me of the the procedure that you employed to achive such a wonderous feat, and one thanks your good self for engaging in the afore mententioned on one's behalf, you are indeed sir, an officer and a gentleman, you shall be mentioned in dispatches. Lt. Gonville (volley fire at 100 yards) Bromhead VC
Alright Mimi (if that is your real name. Which it isn't. Though it is a girls name.) The book I need is back in Bradford so I won't be able to get my hand on it until at least February. It's a good read though, you should get a copy.-- Crestville 17:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
It said, in the last Beatles' newsletter, that "Sir Sean de Garde appears to have developed multiple personalities." This is very true (and made one laugh an awful lot) but it is necessary when one is faced with talking to one on one's pages that one has contributed to. (Work that one out... :) The changing of one's name brings tremendous amusement to one - as other editors are wont to do the same. I refer you to members, Vera, Chuck, and Dave, LessHeard vanU, and Crestville, who have given one a terrific amount of pleasure in the general 'laughing gear' area, because of their inovative choices of Nom de plumes. One can only hope that this practice does not offend one's own sense of normality. One can only live in hope. :)) Who am I? 20:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I think pseudonyms are great fun. The Beatles used them all the time, and they can be silly (Dr Winston O'Boogie anyone?), witty (Who Am I?) or just plain weird (George Harrsion's, which I have forgotten, thus rendering my point somewhat impotent). Anyway, in light of your recent post, I resolve to only use pseudonyms forthwith and never again shall I refer to myself as "Crestville". Crestville is dead, and I hereby reign in a new era. I shall be a mecurial being, lacking in shape, only substance, with no fixed title. May the Lord strike me down if I am anything but true to my word.-- Crestville (oh shit) 14:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't see your question about this until now -if you want a page protected (actually semi-protected - blocking IP addresses and newly created accounts), you have to make a formal request on the administrators' protection request page. I can tell you how to make the request, but you'll need more than you have, I think, to get any love. Blocking an individual, however, is a matter of his or her breaking rules like violating WP:3RR, or having been warned about vandalism several times, etc. and then someone requesting a user block which I've done numerous times after warnings. I put a first warning note on the user talk page of the IP address who posted that crap inside of my comment above, and if it continues, there may be a case for blocking the address from editing. This is kind of interesting - rather a one-note dude or dudette, I'd say. About the article itself - personally I'm not thrilled - she makes all kinds of claims, perhaps to sell books, and nothing seems corroborated. (Heavily relying on Cynthia's book when writing about John makes me a little uncomfortable too, for similar reasons, but at least a lot else has been written about him for counter-balance, plus intereviews with him. May seems kind of out there on her own, and neither Goldman on the one hand nor Mintz on the other exactly inspire confidence in their independent thinking abilities.) I re-phrased May in a few places to say that these things are what she claims, but all in all, for what it's worth, it's not my favorite Beatles article. Let me know if you want to pursue sprot and I'll tell you how to do it. Meanwhile, it is totally freezing in NY tonight, which is a rather random comment brought on by my putting on yet another sweater (jumper?) to be able to sit here, inside! I think I'll have another cup of tea. No, make that a beer. Tvoz | talk 00:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, that made me laugh me socks off.... (I'm still laughing, and finding it hard to type... I should have seen that one coming, lol... :)) The Laughing Cavalier 03:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
LOL! Cheers pal chin up, night, see yer termorra la, Vera, Chuck & Dave 02:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Whilst self praise is no praise I suggest you take a look at Talk:The Beatles and the (last) subject entitled 'The Most Successful and Critically... etc.'. I laughed out loud when I read the Croydon Tea Rooms joke, and I was the sodding writer! (I Wanna Be) Cathy McGowans Clown (Ready Steady Go) 17:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I, Sir, am a woman of Mister E. TvoZ 21:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
You, Sir, are a cad, and ought to be whipped with a pillow stuffed with large feathers until you submit. Crossed-vile 21:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
So when will you nominate the article for FA? I've been waiting ages to lend my vote of support! Hope you're well by the way. LuciferMorgan 14:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your humourous contributions to Wikipedia. Please take a look at the welcome page and note that this sort of nonsense will not be tolerated. From now on, you must engage in edit warring, personal attacks, and general nastiness like everyone else. Do I make myself clear? Thanks, 'Ed Admin.
I have nominated it for FA. Here we go on the critique merry-go-round. andreasegde 22:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
You put it in the featured lists section? ha ha ha! You silly sod! That's off to a bad start then. Nah, good luck with it Andy (rea). You have worked so hard on that page it deserved FA - although it is now more citation that actual text! How can they resist? If you need someone to bilndly and agressively fight your corner, without any real in depth knowlege of the argument, you know where to find me. (it's User:Crestville)-- Crestville 14:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
And quite apart from anything else, they're not ment to.-- Crestville 14:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have made a few comments at the above place, mostly directly relating to frustrations I have encountered while contributing to this Project and the articles The Beatles and Paul McCartney. My festering resentment has leaked out in the form of WP:FAR and WP:GAR are the enemies of WP:The Encyclopedia That Anyone Can Edit. Please feel free to disassociate yourselves from me... ;~) LessHeard vanU 01:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
In the vain hope that it may cheer you up, I hereby award you a fish!
Walk on, Walk on with a fish in your Heart
Hate to distract you from distinguishing btwn your hyphens and em-dashes, but I actually have a content question: the Macca article says Northern Songs was formed by someone, Brian Epstein and The Beatles - is that right or is it really someone, Epstein and John & Paul? Tvoz | talk 18:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC) [please note - my American instinct was to write "Northern Songs WAS formed." Even though I wouldn't say The Beatles was", ever. What can I tell you.)
Anyway: The contract was only for 4 years, after which Starr and Harrison set up their own companies. They didn't write much before then so it was good for them. Len and Mac went for the whole hook, line and sinker routine. So:
For every 100 Dollars income:
50% to James for Publishing – 50% to James for Royalties = 50
25% to Len Mac for Publishing – 25% to Len Mac for Royalties = 25
James gets 50 Dollars
Epstein takes 25% off Len and Mac = 12.50 Dollars
Len gets 18.75 Dollars Mac gets 18.75 Dollars
andreasegde gets fu#k all 00:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Publishing contracts:
A normal contract is 60-40, 70-30, or 80-20 (depending on the level of exertion a publisher is committed to, like getting out of bed in the morning.) Royalties are the big thing (radio plays) because publishing is just music books/sheets, which nobody wants anymore.
I have a problem that I would like to impart to all you good 'Beatles project' editors, and it is this:
Please answer (on a stamped and self-addressed postcard please) on our talk page. (This might be more interesting than talking about MBEs... :) andreasegde, Mr Hornby, and Sir Sean de Garde 15:21, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I have to admit that I have run out of energy on this gargantuan task. (I may be experiencing my first bout of 'Wiki-stress', and I don't like it very much). I will now concentrate on Mimi and George Smith, Julia and Freddie Lennon, and Jim and Mary McCartney for a while (if only to dispel some Urban Legends). If anyone wants a citation for something specific, please leave a message on my talk page. andreasegde, Mr Hornby, Sir Sean de Garde, John Bender and Raoul McKnickers 02:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I find that I am really enjoying working on Mimi Smith (if that were possible, Vicar) and I am free of interference from vandals (she's not that interesting to them..) It also means that a lot of interesting stuff gets put in about The Beatles (that I never knew before). I'm having fun, and I hope you are too. andreasegde 19:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
It's really late, but I just finally read through the new Lennon and have some comments that I don't want to forget, so forgive my incoherence. Wow - you did an amazing job!
OK:
Back to Tvoz | talk: A few continuity problems:
Before, the piece was too rambling and all over the place - your chronological organization definitely makes more sense - but in these few places (possibly in another one or two, but these were the ones that bothered me) there is a continuity problem - any thoughts about how to handle it? Too late at night for me to think - I'll look at it again when both eyes are open.
Great job though - I'm not happy that so much had to be cut, because I think it tends to get a little choppy as a result, and I miss some of the language, but I do understand why you've done that. Thanks for all that work. And now, for real, good night. Tvoz | talk 09:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks (as always) for your comments, dearest Tvoz. I started work on it, and threw a load of stuff in, but I didn't really go through everything. I had an overload of pages (I was working on The Beatles, Macca and Lennon at the same time) and my brain crashed, so I went to the stubs to rebuild my original enthusiasm. (I'm really enjoying it, BTW.) Anyway, if there's anything you want to change, then you are the person to do it. Go for it... andreasegde 20:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
P.S. "Aunt Mater" is confusing, because 'Mater' means mother. She was Lennon's Aunt Elizabeth, but (like Mimi and Julia) she was known by another name - from Elizabeth to Betty, and then to Mater. Funnily enough, this never occured to me before, but your eagle-eyes spotted it (again) :) andreasegde 20:09, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! see my talk... this bit of writing on one place and answering on the other is so idiotic - maybe I'll use this opportunity to change mine.. but then I'll forget and completely confuse myself and everyone else Tvoz | talk 06:29, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I reviewed it as a B article, then I thought I'd 'jump in the deep end'. (I have nominated it for GA). To Hell with the doubters - let rip, unfurl the pennants, and 'strike while the iron's hot', as the boys and girls from the 'East Leeds Labour Club Pensioners International Line-dancing Formation Team' say (when they put their dentures in). Sir Sean de Garde and the other mob 02:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I say old bean, most kind I'm sure! But how does one get all those bally words into such a little thunderbox? Could use a little advice, if of course the fuzzies hold orf long enough, what? Lieutenant Gonville Bromhead. VC
Not sure what you're saying when you quote Star Trek ("to boldly go"); I assume you mean that if they do it, it must be OK. That's certainly one view of it, although the way people talk on television is actually pretty atrocious and not generally a good model. McTavidge 15:51, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
I say M'lud, dashed cunning little devices these eh? One of one's suborbdanants has informed me of the the procedure that you employed to achive such a wonderous feat, and one thanks your good self for engaging in the afore mententioned on one's behalf, you are indeed sir, an officer and a gentleman, you shall be mentioned in dispatches. Lt. Gonville (volley fire at 100 yards) Bromhead VC
Alright Mimi (if that is your real name. Which it isn't. Though it is a girls name.) The book I need is back in Bradford so I won't be able to get my hand on it until at least February. It's a good read though, you should get a copy.-- Crestville 17:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
It said, in the last Beatles' newsletter, that "Sir Sean de Garde appears to have developed multiple personalities." This is very true (and made one laugh an awful lot) but it is necessary when one is faced with talking to one on one's pages that one has contributed to. (Work that one out... :) The changing of one's name brings tremendous amusement to one - as other editors are wont to do the same. I refer you to members, Vera, Chuck, and Dave, LessHeard vanU, and Crestville, who have given one a terrific amount of pleasure in the general 'laughing gear' area, because of their inovative choices of Nom de plumes. One can only hope that this practice does not offend one's own sense of normality. One can only live in hope. :)) Who am I? 20:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I think pseudonyms are great fun. The Beatles used them all the time, and they can be silly (Dr Winston O'Boogie anyone?), witty (Who Am I?) or just plain weird (George Harrsion's, which I have forgotten, thus rendering my point somewhat impotent). Anyway, in light of your recent post, I resolve to only use pseudonyms forthwith and never again shall I refer to myself as "Crestville". Crestville is dead, and I hereby reign in a new era. I shall be a mecurial being, lacking in shape, only substance, with no fixed title. May the Lord strike me down if I am anything but true to my word.-- Crestville (oh shit) 14:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't see your question about this until now -if you want a page protected (actually semi-protected - blocking IP addresses and newly created accounts), you have to make a formal request on the administrators' protection request page. I can tell you how to make the request, but you'll need more than you have, I think, to get any love. Blocking an individual, however, is a matter of his or her breaking rules like violating WP:3RR, or having been warned about vandalism several times, etc. and then someone requesting a user block which I've done numerous times after warnings. I put a first warning note on the user talk page of the IP address who posted that crap inside of my comment above, and if it continues, there may be a case for blocking the address from editing. This is kind of interesting - rather a one-note dude or dudette, I'd say. About the article itself - personally I'm not thrilled - she makes all kinds of claims, perhaps to sell books, and nothing seems corroborated. (Heavily relying on Cynthia's book when writing about John makes me a little uncomfortable too, for similar reasons, but at least a lot else has been written about him for counter-balance, plus intereviews with him. May seems kind of out there on her own, and neither Goldman on the one hand nor Mintz on the other exactly inspire confidence in their independent thinking abilities.) I re-phrased May in a few places to say that these things are what she claims, but all in all, for what it's worth, it's not my favorite Beatles article. Let me know if you want to pursue sprot and I'll tell you how to do it. Meanwhile, it is totally freezing in NY tonight, which is a rather random comment brought on by my putting on yet another sweater (jumper?) to be able to sit here, inside! I think I'll have another cup of tea. No, make that a beer. Tvoz | talk 00:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Oh, that made me laugh me socks off.... (I'm still laughing, and finding it hard to type... I should have seen that one coming, lol... :)) The Laughing Cavalier 03:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
LOL! Cheers pal chin up, night, see yer termorra la, Vera, Chuck & Dave 02:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Whilst self praise is no praise I suggest you take a look at Talk:The Beatles and the (last) subject entitled 'The Most Successful and Critically... etc.'. I laughed out loud when I read the Croydon Tea Rooms joke, and I was the sodding writer! (I Wanna Be) Cathy McGowans Clown (Ready Steady Go) 17:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I, Sir, am a woman of Mister E. TvoZ 21:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
You, Sir, are a cad, and ought to be whipped with a pillow stuffed with large feathers until you submit. Crossed-vile 21:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
So when will you nominate the article for FA? I've been waiting ages to lend my vote of support! Hope you're well by the way. LuciferMorgan 14:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your humourous contributions to Wikipedia. Please take a look at the welcome page and note that this sort of nonsense will not be tolerated. From now on, you must engage in edit warring, personal attacks, and general nastiness like everyone else. Do I make myself clear? Thanks, 'Ed Admin.
I have nominated it for FA. Here we go on the critique merry-go-round. andreasegde 22:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
You put it in the featured lists section? ha ha ha! You silly sod! That's off to a bad start then. Nah, good luck with it Andy (rea). You have worked so hard on that page it deserved FA - although it is now more citation that actual text! How can they resist? If you need someone to bilndly and agressively fight your corner, without any real in depth knowlege of the argument, you know where to find me. (it's User:Crestville)-- Crestville 14:08, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
And quite apart from anything else, they're not ment to.-- Crestville 14:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I have made a few comments at the above place, mostly directly relating to frustrations I have encountered while contributing to this Project and the articles The Beatles and Paul McCartney. My festering resentment has leaked out in the form of WP:FAR and WP:GAR are the enemies of WP:The Encyclopedia That Anyone Can Edit. Please feel free to disassociate yourselves from me... ;~) LessHeard vanU 01:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
In the vain hope that it may cheer you up, I hereby award you a fish!
Walk on, Walk on with a fish in your Heart
Hate to distract you from distinguishing btwn your hyphens and em-dashes, but I actually have a content question: the Macca article says Northern Songs was formed by someone, Brian Epstein and The Beatles - is that right or is it really someone, Epstein and John & Paul? Tvoz | talk 18:58, 27 January 2007 (UTC) [please note - my American instinct was to write "Northern Songs WAS formed." Even though I wouldn't say The Beatles was", ever. What can I tell you.)
Anyway: The contract was only for 4 years, after which Starr and Harrison set up their own companies. They didn't write much before then so it was good for them. Len and Mac went for the whole hook, line and sinker routine. So:
For every 100 Dollars income:
50% to James for Publishing – 50% to James for Royalties = 50
25% to Len Mac for Publishing – 25% to Len Mac for Royalties = 25
James gets 50 Dollars
Epstein takes 25% off Len and Mac = 12.50 Dollars
Len gets 18.75 Dollars Mac gets 18.75 Dollars
andreasegde gets fu#k all 00:10, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Publishing contracts:
A normal contract is 60-40, 70-30, or 80-20 (depending on the level of exertion a publisher is committed to, like getting out of bed in the morning.) Royalties are the big thing (radio plays) because publishing is just music books/sheets, which nobody wants anymore.