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Regarding this, my guess is that "LN" means "late night", referring to the change in timeslot from 8 PM to 11 PM. Also, for future reference, this is the URL to use to make Internet Archive save a copy:
https://web.archive.org/save/URL_HERE
You can save this as a bookmark and then just click it whenever you want to archive the current page:
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nyuszika7h ( talk) 17:01, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Not to sound hostile, but your attitude towards 73.96.113.24 seems a little uncalled for, especially warning them for editing unconstructively. Not sure if you've noticed, but the IP has been putting in a lot of good counter-vandalism work and contributing very constructively. Please remember that IPs are human, too. Ks0stm ( T• C• G• E) 05:13, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you about this again, but I think the exception about "without" should only be applied to the case at Stuck in the Middle, I see you also did it at List of School of Rock episodes. Like I already told you that part, it has some point for uniformity in that article, but in general I think we should follow the MOS. nyuszika7h ( talk) 22:03, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Hey, Amaury, could you add Legends of the Hidden Temple (2016 film) to your watchlist? It's getting closer to its premiere date, so the usual parade of IPs is hitting that article and adding unsourced casting and release date info. I'm not around as much, so it's be great if you could keep an eye on it... Thanks! -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 12:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, I have a few things I'd like to point out. First, please don't arbitrarily change date formats to your preference especially when there are already tags in place. It's a British show, so it should use dmy. And access dates were all ISO originally, which is also valid per MOS:DATEFORMAT. Second, the recurring characters were cited to a secondary source so it was reasonable to include them, IMO. nyuszika7h ( talk) 17:41, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Also, I think the source for the theme music composer could have stayed, though I suppose songwriters don't always need a citation since they can be found on many sites like Vevo and AllMusic. Regarding the publisher/via format in {{ cite AV media}}, I originally used work/author but then I started using the other format after IJBall mentioned he has seen it used that way elsewhere. I don't really mind too much either way, but it would be worth clarifying. nyuszika7h ( talk) 17:44, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Technically I guess as you say for other things, if the access date format change is not contested then it's not a problem, like the author format you have changed on a few articles, but I tend to be more careful than that. WP:TIES clearly applies here regarding the dmy dates, though. nyuszika7h ( talk) 18:16, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
?aid=
part in Zap2it URLs is redundant as someone else pointed out on another article earlier – it's not a very long query string so it doesn't matter much either way, but redundant query strings are generally better stripped.)
nyuszika7h (
talk)
19:29, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
However, I do think that for the US stuff, we should use M/D/Y. My original plan was actually to leave the D/M/Y dates for British articles alone, but then that made things inconsistent. However, for an article like this, now that I think about it, I don't think having minor inconsistencies is a bad thing and we can make an exception.Basically, it doesn't seem to make sense to use D/M/Y format for dates relating to either a source on a US site, though I did for the Zap2it sources since they related to the UK airings, or the dates of the airings in the US. Sometimes I wish I were the head honcho of Wikipedia as I would throw out silly guidelines that say we shouldn't mix date formats, LOL! Particularly with shows that originate somewhere else, we should use the origin's date format, for example (if it's different to begin with, that is), when it's in regard to stuff over there, but the US format when it's in regard to stuff in the US. A good example is the air dates. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 21:16, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
It's just the edit summary so not a big deal, but it's "#Winning" and not "Winning!". :P And I literally just checked for the ratings a few hours ago and they weren't there yet. nyuszika7h ( talk) 20:19, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Showing | Posted By |
---|---|
Monday–Thursday | Around 1:00 PM (PT) the Next Day |
Friday | Around 1:00 PM (PT) on Monday |
Saturday–Sunday | Around 6:15 AM (PT) Tuesday |
Just thought I'd let you know (primarily because incorrect outdents bug me! :P) that {{
od}} can take an optional parameter, e.g. {{
od|3}}
or {{
od|:::}}
. And generally it's only used when you are actually replying to the indented comment, rather than adding an unrelated top-level comment. In the latter case, just leave an empty line before the last comment.
nyuszika7h (
talk)
08:50, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Also pinging Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968, IJBall about this.
I opened an RM discussion for {{
Based on}} then I realized that we usually use "Song Name" performed by Artist(s)
for the theme song on television series articles. For |based_on=
it generally means the writer, but I was wondering whether the "performed" part is really necessary, as it should be obvious in most cases that we mean the performer, and in an ideal case the composers are also listed in the separate parameter for that. It could also save some space to remove the "performed" part.
nyuszika7h (
talk)
15:43, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
I didn't realize. You don't hate me for that, do you? Alec Borden ( talk) 22:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Related discussion: User Orchomen from September 2016
Extensive Discussion
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Keep me in the loop of what you plan to do about this. I don't think WP:SPI is worth pursuing unless and until we can figure out who this might be a sockpuppet of. You can try WP:ANI, but from all of our experience most ANI reports like this one will go unresolved... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:02, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
@
IJBall: Another administrator is looking into it over on
WP:AIAV! Hopefully something good comes out of it! :)
Amaury (
talk |
contribs)
16:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
@
MPFitz1968: Now that they've been blocked—temporarily, for now—I'm wondering if the protection request is really needed anymore.
Amaury (
talk |
contribs)
21:09, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Yup, they're definitely stalking me now. They just reverted me on
Gamer's Guide to Pretty Much Everything, and nothing over there has to do with what's going on.
List of Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn episodes is also another one.
Amaury (
talk |
contribs)
21:57, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Orchomen has been indefinitely blocked. While evading IPs may still pop up, I think we pretty much won the battle.
IJBall, you can finally take a breather.
MPFitz1968,
Callmemirela, thanks for the help!
Amaury (
talk |
contribs)
01:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Uh oh – we probably need to keep an eye on
Special:Contributions/Tttttttttfffffffffffffffff: looks like it could be Orchomen trying to get around
WP:AUTOCONFIRMED (in a few days). The good news is that if he tries that, we can file a bona fide
WP:SPI report this time, which many be useful long-term... --
IJBall (
contribs •
talk)
04:57, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Comment: I have
reverted an unexplained blanking of the user talk page.
MPD (
Talk to me!)
|
Amaury, could you explain why I'm the only one who received a warning? Walter Görlitz is just as guilty for his reverts. I just wish admins could talk like adults instead of threatening people all the time. Every other sports team has actual team colors, and NBA teams even have their own protected infoboxes. Why is Atlanta United FC an exception, because one guy? If you were consistent, then make every sports team follow WP:CONTRAST Jamesmiko ( talk) 23:04, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
User:Amaury, of course, you're entitled to your opinion. However, what I have seen from you and some some admins are excuses why they don't uphold the same policies on all pages. For example, you said above, "Everyone at some point feels they've been treated unfairly, but guess what, life's not fair. Admin's aren't perfect, they're only human." This is an excuse. I expect admins to enforce the standards with as much fairness as they can offer, not make excuses about how life is unfair. Yes, I see that you're not an admin, but forgive me for the confusion since you involve yourself with an authoritative manner. Jamesmiko ( talk) 20:54, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Hey, Amaury, how do you like Huggle? I don't have Rollback, so I've never tried Huggle, but I have been tempted on occasion to request Rollback just to try out Huggle... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 15:07, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
WTF Mate??? You can't warn me for politely contributing to article talk page discussion??? 69.50.70.9 ( talk) 00:52, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
You should look at edits before you revert them 66.61.85.149 ( talk) 01:05, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I mistakenly thanked you for your edit to the Jessica Drake article. I thought you had removed the "False" title, rather than initiating it. You're an experienced Wikipedia editor and I presume you know that your edit was not appropriate as it was purely POV. Activist ( talk) 15:49, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#WP:BLP_violations_at_Damien_Walter - Govindaharihari ( talk) 19:25, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
@Activist: Sorry about that. I misunderstood the article history and thought it was you who added that to the header. Please consider all my reverts to the page null and void.If you can't be bothered to look where I pointed you to look, then don't make such ridiculous accusations. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 19:43, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Hey buddy I'm not Vandalizing I'm adding extra information to the text If you don't like it, tough — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoreyP ( talk • contribs) 18:05, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
The edits from this IP, which you reported at WP:AIV, do not appear to be vandalism. In particular, it's appropriate to include native names of cities in the lead or infobox as per WP:ENGLISH. Please be careful to use rollback only when reverting obvious vandalism. ~ Rob13 Talk 22:18, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I am slightly confused here. I made that edit because the claim given (that DTR operation ceased due to a failure on the PWS High Waveform Receiver) was not in the link given, nor was it actually linked from that page - it actually appears on exactly two places on NASA's website, one of which was the reference I changed it to (that coincidentally is also linked to at the top of that table, but in a completely different context), and the other is an SFOS PDF. So I'm somewhat confused what's "not constructive" about this edit. Mind clarifying? BOfH ( talk) 13:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I added episode summaries for the last few episodes of the Thundermans (List of The Thundermans episodes]]) but you removed them as violating copyright. Can you show me where that's a violation? I'm 100% sure I used my own original summary of the episode based on the actual episodes and didn't copy-paste them from any other site. As far as I know, writing a summary of an episode is not a violation of copyright. I also know that episode summaries don't require citations especially if it's an aired episode that can be written based on the actual content. If the summaries I wrote are copyrighted, please provide evidence e.g by showing me the sites why I copy-pasted or the guideline that makes it illegal to add episode summaries. If that were the case, there would be no summaries on any episodes or any shows. Just because you have some authority doesn't mean you should interfere with page content based on your likes and dislikes. Aviva Heckman ( talk) 18:20, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I think you may be right - I must have been thinking of a different Frank Rizzo. Sorry about that, bottle nose! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.192.97 ( talk) 19:10, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
A disruptive editor User:Devereux Phoenixx is inserting a person into the main cast of the article who I doubt was ever in Boy Meets World. (Unreliable IMDb doesn't even list this name anywhere in their cast listing of the show, so odds are she wasn't.) I've now reverted them twice, saying that the person is not in the main cast, but they continue to add back the info. On top of that, the user created an article about this person, which has been BLPPRODed because there are no sources included. If you or IJBall or Geraldo Perez or Nyuszika7H could also keep an eye on the article like I am, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 21:26, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Regarding this, my guess is that "LN" means "late night", referring to the change in timeslot from 8 PM to 11 PM. Also, for future reference, this is the URL to use to make Internet Archive save a copy:
https://web.archive.org/save/URL_HERE
You can save this as a bookmark and then just click it whenever you want to archive the current page:
javascript:void(open('https://web.archive.org/save/'+encodeURI(document.location)))
nyuszika7h ( talk) 17:01, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Not to sound hostile, but your attitude towards 73.96.113.24 seems a little uncalled for, especially warning them for editing unconstructively. Not sure if you've noticed, but the IP has been putting in a lot of good counter-vandalism work and contributing very constructively. Please remember that IPs are human, too. Ks0stm ( T• C• G• E) 05:13, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to bother you about this again, but I think the exception about "without" should only be applied to the case at Stuck in the Middle, I see you also did it at List of School of Rock episodes. Like I already told you that part, it has some point for uniformity in that article, but in general I think we should follow the MOS. nyuszika7h ( talk) 22:03, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Hey, Amaury, could you add Legends of the Hidden Temple (2016 film) to your watchlist? It's getting closer to its premiere date, so the usual parade of IPs is hitting that article and adding unsourced casting and release date info. I'm not around as much, so it's be great if you could keep an eye on it... Thanks! -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 12:52, 4 October 2016 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, I have a few things I'd like to point out. First, please don't arbitrarily change date formats to your preference especially when there are already tags in place. It's a British show, so it should use dmy. And access dates were all ISO originally, which is also valid per MOS:DATEFORMAT. Second, the recurring characters were cited to a secondary source so it was reasonable to include them, IMO. nyuszika7h ( talk) 17:41, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Also, I think the source for the theme music composer could have stayed, though I suppose songwriters don't always need a citation since they can be found on many sites like Vevo and AllMusic. Regarding the publisher/via format in {{ cite AV media}}, I originally used work/author but then I started using the other format after IJBall mentioned he has seen it used that way elsewhere. I don't really mind too much either way, but it would be worth clarifying. nyuszika7h ( talk) 17:44, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
Technically I guess as you say for other things, if the access date format change is not contested then it's not a problem, like the author format you have changed on a few articles, but I tend to be more careful than that. WP:TIES clearly applies here regarding the dmy dates, though. nyuszika7h ( talk) 18:16, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
?aid=
part in Zap2it URLs is redundant as someone else pointed out on another article earlier – it's not a very long query string so it doesn't matter much either way, but redundant query strings are generally better stripped.)
nyuszika7h (
talk)
19:29, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
However, I do think that for the US stuff, we should use M/D/Y. My original plan was actually to leave the D/M/Y dates for British articles alone, but then that made things inconsistent. However, for an article like this, now that I think about it, I don't think having minor inconsistencies is a bad thing and we can make an exception.Basically, it doesn't seem to make sense to use D/M/Y format for dates relating to either a source on a US site, though I did for the Zap2it sources since they related to the UK airings, or the dates of the airings in the US. Sometimes I wish I were the head honcho of Wikipedia as I would throw out silly guidelines that say we shouldn't mix date formats, LOL! Particularly with shows that originate somewhere else, we should use the origin's date format, for example (if it's different to begin with, that is), when it's in regard to stuff over there, but the US format when it's in regard to stuff in the US. A good example is the air dates. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 21:16, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
It's just the edit summary so not a big deal, but it's "#Winning" and not "Winning!". :P And I literally just checked for the ratings a few hours ago and they weren't there yet. nyuszika7h ( talk) 20:19, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Showing | Posted By |
---|---|
Monday–Thursday | Around 1:00 PM (PT) the Next Day |
Friday | Around 1:00 PM (PT) on Monday |
Saturday–Sunday | Around 6:15 AM (PT) Tuesday |
Just thought I'd let you know (primarily because incorrect outdents bug me! :P) that {{
od}} can take an optional parameter, e.g. {{
od|3}}
or {{
od|:::}}
. And generally it's only used when you are actually replying to the indented comment, rather than adding an unrelated top-level comment. In the latter case, just leave an empty line before the last comment.
nyuszika7h (
talk)
08:50, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Also pinging Geraldo Perez, MPFitz1968, IJBall about this.
I opened an RM discussion for {{
Based on}} then I realized that we usually use "Song Name" performed by Artist(s)
for the theme song on television series articles. For |based_on=
it generally means the writer, but I was wondering whether the "performed" part is really necessary, as it should be obvious in most cases that we mean the performer, and in an ideal case the composers are also listed in the separate parameter for that. It could also save some space to remove the "performed" part.
nyuszika7h (
talk)
15:43, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
I didn't realize. You don't hate me for that, do you? Alec Borden ( talk) 22:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
Related discussion: User Orchomen from September 2016
Extensive Discussion
|
---|
Keep me in the loop of what you plan to do about this. I don't think WP:SPI is worth pursuing unless and until we can figure out who this might be a sockpuppet of. You can try WP:ANI, but from all of our experience most ANI reports like this one will go unresolved... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 16:02, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
@
IJBall: Another administrator is looking into it over on
WP:AIAV! Hopefully something good comes out of it! :)
Amaury (
talk |
contribs)
16:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
@
MPFitz1968: Now that they've been blocked—temporarily, for now—I'm wondering if the protection request is really needed anymore.
Amaury (
talk |
contribs)
21:09, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Yup, they're definitely stalking me now. They just reverted me on
Gamer's Guide to Pretty Much Everything, and nothing over there has to do with what's going on.
List of Nicky, Ricky, Dicky & Dawn episodes is also another one.
Amaury (
talk |
contribs)
21:57, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
Orchomen has been indefinitely blocked. While evading IPs may still pop up, I think we pretty much won the battle.
IJBall, you can finally take a breather.
MPFitz1968,
Callmemirela, thanks for the help!
Amaury (
talk |
contribs)
01:01, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Uh oh – we probably need to keep an eye on
Special:Contributions/Tttttttttfffffffffffffffff: looks like it could be Orchomen trying to get around
WP:AUTOCONFIRMED (in a few days). The good news is that if he tries that, we can file a bona fide
WP:SPI report this time, which many be useful long-term... --
IJBall (
contribs •
talk)
04:57, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
Comment: I have
reverted an unexplained blanking of the user talk page.
MPD (
Talk to me!)
|
Amaury, could you explain why I'm the only one who received a warning? Walter Görlitz is just as guilty for his reverts. I just wish admins could talk like adults instead of threatening people all the time. Every other sports team has actual team colors, and NBA teams even have their own protected infoboxes. Why is Atlanta United FC an exception, because one guy? If you were consistent, then make every sports team follow WP:CONTRAST Jamesmiko ( talk) 23:04, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
User:Amaury, of course, you're entitled to your opinion. However, what I have seen from you and some some admins are excuses why they don't uphold the same policies on all pages. For example, you said above, "Everyone at some point feels they've been treated unfairly, but guess what, life's not fair. Admin's aren't perfect, they're only human." This is an excuse. I expect admins to enforce the standards with as much fairness as they can offer, not make excuses about how life is unfair. Yes, I see that you're not an admin, but forgive me for the confusion since you involve yourself with an authoritative manner. Jamesmiko ( talk) 20:54, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Hey, Amaury, how do you like Huggle? I don't have Rollback, so I've never tried Huggle, but I have been tempted on occasion to request Rollback just to try out Huggle... -- IJBall ( contribs • talk) 15:07, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
WTF Mate??? You can't warn me for politely contributing to article talk page discussion??? 69.50.70.9 ( talk) 00:52, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
You should look at edits before you revert them 66.61.85.149 ( talk) 01:05, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I mistakenly thanked you for your edit to the Jessica Drake article. I thought you had removed the "False" title, rather than initiating it. You're an experienced Wikipedia editor and I presume you know that your edit was not appropriate as it was purely POV. Activist ( talk) 15:49, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#WP:BLP_violations_at_Damien_Walter - Govindaharihari ( talk) 19:25, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
@Activist: Sorry about that. I misunderstood the article history and thought it was you who added that to the header. Please consider all my reverts to the page null and void.If you can't be bothered to look where I pointed you to look, then don't make such ridiculous accusations. Amaury ( talk | contribs) 19:43, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Hey buddy I'm not Vandalizing I'm adding extra information to the text If you don't like it, tough — Preceding unsigned comment added by CoreyP ( talk • contribs) 18:05, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
The edits from this IP, which you reported at WP:AIV, do not appear to be vandalism. In particular, it's appropriate to include native names of cities in the lead or infobox as per WP:ENGLISH. Please be careful to use rollback only when reverting obvious vandalism. ~ Rob13 Talk 22:18, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I am slightly confused here. I made that edit because the claim given (that DTR operation ceased due to a failure on the PWS High Waveform Receiver) was not in the link given, nor was it actually linked from that page - it actually appears on exactly two places on NASA's website, one of which was the reference I changed it to (that coincidentally is also linked to at the top of that table, but in a completely different context), and the other is an SFOS PDF. So I'm somewhat confused what's "not constructive" about this edit. Mind clarifying? BOfH ( talk) 13:34, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I added episode summaries for the last few episodes of the Thundermans (List of The Thundermans episodes]]) but you removed them as violating copyright. Can you show me where that's a violation? I'm 100% sure I used my own original summary of the episode based on the actual episodes and didn't copy-paste them from any other site. As far as I know, writing a summary of an episode is not a violation of copyright. I also know that episode summaries don't require citations especially if it's an aired episode that can be written based on the actual content. If the summaries I wrote are copyrighted, please provide evidence e.g by showing me the sites why I copy-pasted or the guideline that makes it illegal to add episode summaries. If that were the case, there would be no summaries on any episodes or any shows. Just because you have some authority doesn't mean you should interfere with page content based on your likes and dislikes. Aviva Heckman ( talk) 18:20, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I think you may be right - I must have been thinking of a different Frank Rizzo. Sorry about that, bottle nose! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.192.97 ( talk) 19:10, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
A disruptive editor User:Devereux Phoenixx is inserting a person into the main cast of the article who I doubt was ever in Boy Meets World. (Unreliable IMDb doesn't even list this name anywhere in their cast listing of the show, so odds are she wasn't.) I've now reverted them twice, saying that the person is not in the main cast, but they continue to add back the info. On top of that, the user created an article about this person, which has been BLPPRODed because there are no sources included. If you or IJBall or Geraldo Perez or Nyuszika7H could also keep an eye on the article like I am, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. MPFitz1968 ( talk) 21:26, 26 October 2016 (UTC)