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May everyone know the full facts. NCC can't hide forever. Keep it up Ahnan! Thanks for incorporating other materials exposing the truth about the church. I have been doing this almost everyday for the past month but NCC has been persistently removing any undesirable materials that they do not want the public to know about. They are such a farce! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.52.78 ( talk) 12:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Dear sir,
We thank you for showing interest in the NCC Wiki entry. We noticed that you have been reverting entries pertaining to our Senior Pastor that had no basis of truth. We asked that you would stop reverting the entries and start contribute out of goodwill for the Christian community and also for the Wiki community.
We (the New Creation Church Web Team) will continue to monitor this Wiki Entry faithfully and will perform necessary action to revert what is not true on this article. We apologise if it is rude to you in any way and we will be constantly seeking a Christ exalting solution to this situation.
We also like to welcome you to attend one of our church service, and all information can be found in our official website: www.newcreation.org.sg, and should you have any question or prayer request, we would love to meet you face to face and be a support to you the best way we can.
We love you, because He first loved us, and we will be praying for you and may Daddy God bless you abundantly above all you could ask or think.
God bless you richly, NCC Web Team
Nccwebmaster (
talk)
05:53, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Ahnan,
Thank you for the reply. We do not in any way say that this wiki belong to us, we are sorry that our message to you have in one way or another given you an impression on that. We agreed that you have every single right to post anything on this wiki, and as much as any other wiki. We believe you have every right to believe in anything you read/percieve and we totally respect that, as Jesus has paid for that right.
As mentioned that we continue to seek a Christ exalting solution to this situation and has reported to a Wiki Administrator on this wiki entry. And we will let them make the final call as you have stated correctly in your reply that it is only right that you post what you believe is correct.
We thank you for continuing contributing to the Christian community and this Wikipedia, and may Daddy God bless you even much more to come.
Blessings,
NCC Web Team
Nccwebmaster ( talk) 09:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Regarding your exchanges with the user above, I would like to point out that Wikipedia is not a battleground, to discuss the ethics, motivations, or morality of those with whom you disagree (see Wikipedia:Assume good faith), or to "call out" anyone on those similar points. I would also like to recommend that you read the essays Wikipedia:No angry mastodons and Wikipedia:Staying cool when the editing gets hot.
Nccwebmaster evidently has an agenda, and we are capable of addressing that within the guidelines and policies set forth for this site, as User:Smartse did here and by responding to your WP:AN/I report here.
Thank you for your assistance. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:47, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. I apologize if I came on too strong at [1], I didn't realize you were new. If you have any questions I will do my best to help. I'll be watching this page so you can respond here if you wish. Cheers! Mishlai ( talk) 06:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, you should probably read WP:OUTING - you're not allowed to outwardly ask if editors are a certain person - ideally we should try and prove a COI through edits and perhaps suggest that people may find useful info if they google something. I admit that this policy can make it difficult to discuss COI - I wasn't aware of it until recently. I can fully understand why it is in place though. If you realise you've made a mistake you can get the edits permanently removed by emailing someone at the address found at WP:OVERSIGHT. You may wish to rephrase your comment on User_talk:Tanlipkee to be less accusing and perhaps a little more friendly - i.e. ask straight out whether they have a COI and if so what it is; you could also suggest that if we know what it is that we will be in a better position to judge their contributions. Smartse ( talk) 17:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, have just rephrase my comments to
User_talk:Tanlipkee... :)
Ahnan ( talk) 17:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, Ahnan: I read in the text on the talk page of the article that you had found somewhere in one of the reports that Prince had denied making a high salary. (The comment was to the effect that one of the other editors had only shown us part of a "report" and not the part with the negative information.) Your comments seem to have come just recently, so I am not sure if you have located something previously overlooked, or if this is a part of what we cannot find reliable sources for. If it is the former, could you please show us exactly where the text is? I have re-read the Sunday Times interview and can't find it. Perhaps it is in another source. I have also suggested that someone check non English sources in Singapore news. Perhaps there will be more coverage in them. Thanks for your help. It is almost 1:00 a.m. here and I am going off-line. I will look at this again tomorrow. // BL \\ ( talk) 04:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Prince's denial has always been inside The Straits Times' article (
http://admpreview.straitstimes.com:90/vgn-ext-templating/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2f0e3114209cc110VgnVCM100000430a0a0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=016fe84edfbf8110VgnVCM100000350a0a0aRCRD) :
Mr Prince, who is executive chairman of the church council, also dismissed the rumour that his salary is $50,000 a month.
It could have been $50,000 if I had not voluntarily taken all the pay cuts through the years. There was a system of payment that would actually enrich me greatly but as the church grew, I refuse to accept that system of payment.
In Singapore, a salary of S$50K a month is very high if you consider the fact that the median monthly household income in Singapore in 2008 is only $4,950 (a household means typically you have 2-3 person working in)! Ref: http://www.singstat.gov.sg/pubn/papers/people/op-s15.pdf Ahnan ( talk) 16:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Both you and User:Tanlipkee have done something supportive for the article in general in the past 24 hours, and not just to support your own point of view. I think this is a huge step forward. (Ahnan, you noted that I had deleted something, probably in error, that was supported by the NCC website's text. Tanlipkee last evening pointed out that My Paper/AsiaOne was a traditional news source and thus likely quite an acceptable source for Ahnan's note about the size of the outcry.) Now, if only we can convince User:Event24 to come to the Talk page first, we will be a long way ahead. Thank you. // BL \\ ( talk) 22:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I am not a member of the 3in1kopitiam forum, and I am not interested in the discussions that are taking place there. Nevertheless, I was told that there have been some discussions about me in the 3in1kopitiam forum, and that there is even a suggestion that involves my employer. I wish to state clearly that my involvement in Wikipedia editing is a purely private matter. It has nothing to do with my employer. Please do not get my employer involved. Thank you. Tanlipkee ( talk) 04:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Ahnan, I tried to e-mail but I see you've not added an address to your preferences. Would you mind e-mailing me instead? I'm slimvirgin at gmail dot com. Many thanks, SlimVirgin talk| contribs 21:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Ahnan, I know that you wanted to put controversial articles regarding Benny Hinn and CHC. However, I find it irrelevant and absurd. Certain articles dated back Nov 2006, Dec 2006, Feb 2010 are absolutely not involved in CHC. They took place outside CHC and were not related to CHC. I know that you want to expose CHC's link with Benny Hinn, so please re-word them correctly if necessarily.
I was thinking of making a complaint against you; however I could not do that as I am not familar with ways of how to make a report to Wikipedia moderator. ~ kimberry @ 9.58pm, 6 April 2010 Singapore Time Kimberry352 ( talk) 14:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I read Wikipedia help for article dispute just now. I realise that since you have added a big controversial article about Benny Hinn and CHC, I should discuss with you on it before deleting it. My apology.
The articles (dated on Nov/Dec 2006, Feb 2010) might be applicable to CHC wiki page; however, according to these articles, it does not mean that Benny Hinn's actions have affected CHC's association with him. I know that what Benny Hinn's actions as described by these articles are seen to affect CHC's reputation...Like not all of the people in Singapore do not trust in him and CHC.
I wonder why you are against megachurches like CHC and NCC. To add controversial things about Benny, I shall be alright as long as CHC is relatively involved in the controversial articles that truly exists. (Sorry for my weak English. Hope you understand what I mean. Kimberry352 ( talk) 14:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
It is okay to reveal the truth and facts to the public; however both CHC and Benny Hinn have to be in same topic. If the topic of both CHC and Benny Hinn are indeed same, then it is ontopic. Otherwise, it will be irrelevant. Like "Ministry Watch", "Do You Believe in Miracles", "Benny Hinn sending to mailers" & "Benny Hinn's divorce" are not on topic of CHC wikipedia page. They should be on Benny Hinn wikipedia page unless these articles are involved with CHC & Benny Hinn together (not outside CHC). Kimberry352 ( talk) 04:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello, pls see the CHC talk/discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:City_Harvest_Church. [: Kimberry352 ( talk) 07:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Sighs.. Is it right to gossip things over the things? If online backstabbing is allowed in 3in1KOPI, is it appropriate? Anyway, I am very shocked to find out that you are the one who posted the message to the people in online discussion forum called 3in1KOP -- See it at CHC member wants to meet me f-to-f woh.. Why? Love gossiping outside online web based Wikipedia? Is it unethical? Just now I read down the posts in this 3in1KOPI topic and I found it too ridiculous and absurd. Sighs.. I now discover that you are also kojakt_89 (3in1KOPI username) of 3in1KOPI forum. No wonder you claimed to be a moderator of 3in1KOPI forum. I need to ask you - Are 3in1KOPI and Wiki are mutually inclusive? Now I am uncertain whether you may intentionally to take your 'puppets' to meet me. Sighs... No boundary knows ages, races, languages and religions. Now I think I want to see you face to face for not only Benny's topic but also any other topics you shall find out. Kimberry352 ( talk) 03:37, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Ahnan, do note that blogs are not reliable sources as per WP:RS. I see the blog is a political blog, which makes its neutrality in doubt. If possible, please use news sources instead.
With regards to the copyright violations, I referred to you taking the text word for word from the news sources. Despite what you think, under Wikipedia policy, taking chunks of text verbatim from news sources still constitutes copyright violation. With reference to Channelnewsasia, the site specifically also states "Copyright © 2010 MediaCorp". However, you are allowed to reference the news site then paraphrase the content. Please get yourself more familiar with what is allowed and not allowed under WP:Copyright Violation policies. It would make one wonder if the rest of your edits are similarly in copyright violation, whether you are committing it on purpose or not. DanS76 ( talk) 10:53, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Better sourcing fixes much of the problem, but please also look at the "Criticism and praise" section of the WP:BLP policy page. In short, "Controversy" or "Criticism" sections are often a problem, especially when combined with issues of "undue weight" (see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Undue weight. The question - I have no idea as to the answer - would be whether this event is really significant in Lim's life. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:55, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Bielle ( talk) 16:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Ahnan, it appears that you are "canvassing" for support from outside Wikipedia [ [3]] with regards to the Lim Biow Chuan article.
From: kojakbt_89 Apr-12 12:20 pm To: ALL
Help! If you guys free, pls go in and help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lim_Biow_Chuan
I'm trying to add the controversy section where this PAP MP mentioned about supporting Jack Neo's affair initially but changed his statement the next day saying that he is misquoted (if you read the news, you will know that no way journalist can misquote him).
Anyway, there is a PAP mf now engaging edit war with me. He's deleting the controversy stuff off accusing me of infringing copyrights. How can I be infringing copyrights when I'm quoting just what Lim said and not the whole article?
Everytime I reinstate, he will delete. And now, he is threatening to report me to wiki mod!!!
What you are doing could come under "stealth canvassing". Canvasing is generally frowned upon in Wikipedia. If you feel any of the editors have been biased, you are free to raise the issue via WP:COI, WP:ANI or some other suitable venue in Wikipedia to other editors and admins previously not involved and hence impartial to the debate to weigh in. It will do you well to read the whole article on
"canvassing" and see why it is discouraged to protect both Wikipedia and you as an editor.
DanS76 (
talk)
01:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Ahnan, I only accept reliable and relevant views inside CHC article no matter whether they are controversial or non-controversial. Like what I have already explained in CHC's discussion page. If the article mention the relationship between CHC and Benny & the article is reliable and relevant, then I won't be in position to object it. Kimberry352 ( talk) 14:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
"CHC attempting to remove Ahnan fr Wiki" [ [4]] thread dated on 15 Apr 2010 & posted by Ahnan aka kojakbt_89 -- This thread's title has got a wrong interpretation. Sighs.. Not again, I stress that I don't represent CHC entirely. What I talked to you deems as my individual msgs. In case, pls don't take advantage of (abuse voluntarily or involuntarily) the freedom of the internet. Sighs.. Even so, hope we need to settle down things in a well meaning way. Otherwise, things may be going to be irreconcilable. =[ Kimberry352 ( talk) 05:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Please don't leave message such as the one on the page of Eugene22 (I have removed it), let others take care of things here, don't get yourself flustered by such people, okay? Cheers~! -- Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 03:16, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:City Harvest Church. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Remember, no snide remarks or attacks below the belt on another editor no matter what other people might say of you. Two wrongs doesn't make one right. Take heed. Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 19:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Talk:New Creation Church. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 16:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Another thing: Ahnan's rhetoric of incivility on more than one occasion (as evident by the long list of "complaints" above) has many editors (including myself now) up in arms and frowning on such unacceptable behaviour here on Wikipedia. Remember this, Ahnan... Wikipedia is a community based collaborative effort and if you cannot cooperate with us or persists on ignoring the feelings of the other editors, choosing to carry on with things your way, I would suggest that you leave this project immediately because what you are doing is no different from hurting the project, Wikipedia could do without having to contend further with your incessantly argumentative or combative style/behaviour (now you know why I quoted on your pointy behaviour?).
Also, I've mentioned earlier, you're already way overboard in the department of Wikipedia:Disruptive editing, and I'm 2 seconds away from nominating you for sanctioning measures (which could result in a BLOCK or BAN for you, indefinitely if need be) on WP:WQA or WP:ANI. Take heed, this is my last piece of advice for you. Best. -- Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 17:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
As the title says above, I would like to seek your agreement to compromise that we will make things smooth without "making ourselves think that we are fighting against each other". This wikipedia is not like a battle for edits. When you got disagreement with my post at the discussion page or my edits, please be respectful and civil while talking to other Wiki editors like me. Thank you. Kimberry352 ( talk) 16:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
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May everyone know the full facts. NCC can't hide forever. Keep it up Ahnan! Thanks for incorporating other materials exposing the truth about the church. I have been doing this almost everyday for the past month but NCC has been persistently removing any undesirable materials that they do not want the public to know about. They are such a farce! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.52.78 ( talk) 12:16, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Dear sir,
We thank you for showing interest in the NCC Wiki entry. We noticed that you have been reverting entries pertaining to our Senior Pastor that had no basis of truth. We asked that you would stop reverting the entries and start contribute out of goodwill for the Christian community and also for the Wiki community.
We (the New Creation Church Web Team) will continue to monitor this Wiki Entry faithfully and will perform necessary action to revert what is not true on this article. We apologise if it is rude to you in any way and we will be constantly seeking a Christ exalting solution to this situation.
We also like to welcome you to attend one of our church service, and all information can be found in our official website: www.newcreation.org.sg, and should you have any question or prayer request, we would love to meet you face to face and be a support to you the best way we can.
We love you, because He first loved us, and we will be praying for you and may Daddy God bless you abundantly above all you could ask or think.
God bless you richly, NCC Web Team
Nccwebmaster (
talk)
05:53, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi Ahnan,
Thank you for the reply. We do not in any way say that this wiki belong to us, we are sorry that our message to you have in one way or another given you an impression on that. We agreed that you have every single right to post anything on this wiki, and as much as any other wiki. We believe you have every right to believe in anything you read/percieve and we totally respect that, as Jesus has paid for that right.
As mentioned that we continue to seek a Christ exalting solution to this situation and has reported to a Wiki Administrator on this wiki entry. And we will let them make the final call as you have stated correctly in your reply that it is only right that you post what you believe is correct.
We thank you for continuing contributing to the Christian community and this Wikipedia, and may Daddy God bless you even much more to come.
Blessings,
NCC Web Team
Nccwebmaster ( talk) 09:13, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Regarding your exchanges with the user above, I would like to point out that Wikipedia is not a battleground, to discuss the ethics, motivations, or morality of those with whom you disagree (see Wikipedia:Assume good faith), or to "call out" anyone on those similar points. I would also like to recommend that you read the essays Wikipedia:No angry mastodons and Wikipedia:Staying cool when the editing gets hot.
Nccwebmaster evidently has an agenda, and we are capable of addressing that within the guidelines and policies set forth for this site, as User:Smartse did here and by responding to your WP:AN/I report here.
Thank you for your assistance. - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 18:47, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. I apologize if I came on too strong at [1], I didn't realize you were new. If you have any questions I will do my best to help. I'll be watching this page so you can respond here if you wish. Cheers! Mishlai ( talk) 06:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Hi, you should probably read WP:OUTING - you're not allowed to outwardly ask if editors are a certain person - ideally we should try and prove a COI through edits and perhaps suggest that people may find useful info if they google something. I admit that this policy can make it difficult to discuss COI - I wasn't aware of it until recently. I can fully understand why it is in place though. If you realise you've made a mistake you can get the edits permanently removed by emailing someone at the address found at WP:OVERSIGHT. You may wish to rephrase your comment on User_talk:Tanlipkee to be less accusing and perhaps a little more friendly - i.e. ask straight out whether they have a COI and if so what it is; you could also suggest that if we know what it is that we will be in a better position to judge their contributions. Smartse ( talk) 17:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, have just rephrase my comments to
User_talk:Tanlipkee... :)
Ahnan ( talk) 17:50, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, Ahnan: I read in the text on the talk page of the article that you had found somewhere in one of the reports that Prince had denied making a high salary. (The comment was to the effect that one of the other editors had only shown us part of a "report" and not the part with the negative information.) Your comments seem to have come just recently, so I am not sure if you have located something previously overlooked, or if this is a part of what we cannot find reliable sources for. If it is the former, could you please show us exactly where the text is? I have re-read the Sunday Times interview and can't find it. Perhaps it is in another source. I have also suggested that someone check non English sources in Singapore news. Perhaps there will be more coverage in them. Thanks for your help. It is almost 1:00 a.m. here and I am going off-line. I will look at this again tomorrow. // BL \\ ( talk) 04:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Prince's denial has always been inside The Straits Times' article (
http://admpreview.straitstimes.com:90/vgn-ext-templating/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2f0e3114209cc110VgnVCM100000430a0a0aRCRD&vgnextchannel=016fe84edfbf8110VgnVCM100000350a0a0aRCRD) :
Mr Prince, who is executive chairman of the church council, also dismissed the rumour that his salary is $50,000 a month.
It could have been $50,000 if I had not voluntarily taken all the pay cuts through the years. There was a system of payment that would actually enrich me greatly but as the church grew, I refuse to accept that system of payment.
In Singapore, a salary of S$50K a month is very high if you consider the fact that the median monthly household income in Singapore in 2008 is only $4,950 (a household means typically you have 2-3 person working in)! Ref: http://www.singstat.gov.sg/pubn/papers/people/op-s15.pdf Ahnan ( talk) 16:53, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Both you and User:Tanlipkee have done something supportive for the article in general in the past 24 hours, and not just to support your own point of view. I think this is a huge step forward. (Ahnan, you noted that I had deleted something, probably in error, that was supported by the NCC website's text. Tanlipkee last evening pointed out that My Paper/AsiaOne was a traditional news source and thus likely quite an acceptable source for Ahnan's note about the size of the outcry.) Now, if only we can convince User:Event24 to come to the Talk page first, we will be a long way ahead. Thank you. // BL \\ ( talk) 22:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
I am not a member of the 3in1kopitiam forum, and I am not interested in the discussions that are taking place there. Nevertheless, I was told that there have been some discussions about me in the 3in1kopitiam forum, and that there is even a suggestion that involves my employer. I wish to state clearly that my involvement in Wikipedia editing is a purely private matter. It has nothing to do with my employer. Please do not get my employer involved. Thank you. Tanlipkee ( talk) 04:51, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Ahnan, I tried to e-mail but I see you've not added an address to your preferences. Would you mind e-mailing me instead? I'm slimvirgin at gmail dot com. Many thanks, SlimVirgin talk| contribs 21:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Ahnan, I know that you wanted to put controversial articles regarding Benny Hinn and CHC. However, I find it irrelevant and absurd. Certain articles dated back Nov 2006, Dec 2006, Feb 2010 are absolutely not involved in CHC. They took place outside CHC and were not related to CHC. I know that you want to expose CHC's link with Benny Hinn, so please re-word them correctly if necessarily.
I was thinking of making a complaint against you; however I could not do that as I am not familar with ways of how to make a report to Wikipedia moderator. ~ kimberry @ 9.58pm, 6 April 2010 Singapore Time Kimberry352 ( talk) 14:09, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I read Wikipedia help for article dispute just now. I realise that since you have added a big controversial article about Benny Hinn and CHC, I should discuss with you on it before deleting it. My apology.
The articles (dated on Nov/Dec 2006, Feb 2010) might be applicable to CHC wiki page; however, according to these articles, it does not mean that Benny Hinn's actions have affected CHC's association with him. I know that what Benny Hinn's actions as described by these articles are seen to affect CHC's reputation...Like not all of the people in Singapore do not trust in him and CHC.
I wonder why you are against megachurches like CHC and NCC. To add controversial things about Benny, I shall be alright as long as CHC is relatively involved in the controversial articles that truly exists. (Sorry for my weak English. Hope you understand what I mean. Kimberry352 ( talk) 14:43, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
It is okay to reveal the truth and facts to the public; however both CHC and Benny Hinn have to be in same topic. If the topic of both CHC and Benny Hinn are indeed same, then it is ontopic. Otherwise, it will be irrelevant. Like "Ministry Watch", "Do You Believe in Miracles", "Benny Hinn sending to mailers" & "Benny Hinn's divorce" are not on topic of CHC wikipedia page. They should be on Benny Hinn wikipedia page unless these articles are involved with CHC & Benny Hinn together (not outside CHC). Kimberry352 ( talk) 04:46, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello, pls see the CHC talk/discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:City_Harvest_Church. [: Kimberry352 ( talk) 07:00, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
Sighs.. Is it right to gossip things over the things? If online backstabbing is allowed in 3in1KOPI, is it appropriate? Anyway, I am very shocked to find out that you are the one who posted the message to the people in online discussion forum called 3in1KOP -- See it at CHC member wants to meet me f-to-f woh.. Why? Love gossiping outside online web based Wikipedia? Is it unethical? Just now I read down the posts in this 3in1KOPI topic and I found it too ridiculous and absurd. Sighs.. I now discover that you are also kojakt_89 (3in1KOPI username) of 3in1KOPI forum. No wonder you claimed to be a moderator of 3in1KOPI forum. I need to ask you - Are 3in1KOPI and Wiki are mutually inclusive? Now I am uncertain whether you may intentionally to take your 'puppets' to meet me. Sighs... No boundary knows ages, races, languages and religions. Now I think I want to see you face to face for not only Benny's topic but also any other topics you shall find out. Kimberry352 ( talk) 03:37, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Ahnan, do note that blogs are not reliable sources as per WP:RS. I see the blog is a political blog, which makes its neutrality in doubt. If possible, please use news sources instead.
With regards to the copyright violations, I referred to you taking the text word for word from the news sources. Despite what you think, under Wikipedia policy, taking chunks of text verbatim from news sources still constitutes copyright violation. With reference to Channelnewsasia, the site specifically also states "Copyright © 2010 MediaCorp". However, you are allowed to reference the news site then paraphrase the content. Please get yourself more familiar with what is allowed and not allowed under WP:Copyright Violation policies. It would make one wonder if the rest of your edits are similarly in copyright violation, whether you are committing it on purpose or not. DanS76 ( talk) 10:53, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Better sourcing fixes much of the problem, but please also look at the "Criticism and praise" section of the WP:BLP policy page. In short, "Controversy" or "Criticism" sections are often a problem, especially when combined with issues of "undue weight" (see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Undue weight. The question - I have no idea as to the answer - would be whether this event is really significant in Lim's life. Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:55, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Bielle ( talk) 16:26, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Hi Ahnan, it appears that you are "canvassing" for support from outside Wikipedia [ [3]] with regards to the Lim Biow Chuan article.
From: kojakbt_89 Apr-12 12:20 pm To: ALL
Help! If you guys free, pls go in and help:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lim_Biow_Chuan
I'm trying to add the controversy section where this PAP MP mentioned about supporting Jack Neo's affair initially but changed his statement the next day saying that he is misquoted (if you read the news, you will know that no way journalist can misquote him).
Anyway, there is a PAP mf now engaging edit war with me. He's deleting the controversy stuff off accusing me of infringing copyrights. How can I be infringing copyrights when I'm quoting just what Lim said and not the whole article?
Everytime I reinstate, he will delete. And now, he is threatening to report me to wiki mod!!!
What you are doing could come under "stealth canvassing". Canvasing is generally frowned upon in Wikipedia. If you feel any of the editors have been biased, you are free to raise the issue via WP:COI, WP:ANI or some other suitable venue in Wikipedia to other editors and admins previously not involved and hence impartial to the debate to weigh in. It will do you well to read the whole article on
"canvassing" and see why it is discouraged to protect both Wikipedia and you as an editor.
DanS76 (
talk)
01:57, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Ahnan, I only accept reliable and relevant views inside CHC article no matter whether they are controversial or non-controversial. Like what I have already explained in CHC's discussion page. If the article mention the relationship between CHC and Benny & the article is reliable and relevant, then I won't be in position to object it. Kimberry352 ( talk) 14:25, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
"CHC attempting to remove Ahnan fr Wiki" [ [4]] thread dated on 15 Apr 2010 & posted by Ahnan aka kojakbt_89 -- This thread's title has got a wrong interpretation. Sighs.. Not again, I stress that I don't represent CHC entirely. What I talked to you deems as my individual msgs. In case, pls don't take advantage of (abuse voluntarily or involuntarily) the freedom of the internet. Sighs.. Even so, hope we need to settle down things in a well meaning way. Otherwise, things may be going to be irreconcilable. =[ Kimberry352 ( talk) 05:07, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Please don't leave message such as the one on the page of Eugene22 (I have removed it), let others take care of things here, don't get yourself flustered by such people, okay? Cheers~! -- Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 03:16, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:City Harvest Church. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Remember, no snide remarks or attacks below the belt on another editor no matter what other people might say of you. Two wrongs doesn't make one right. Take heed. Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 19:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Talk:New Creation Church. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 16:56, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
Another thing: Ahnan's rhetoric of incivility on more than one occasion (as evident by the long list of "complaints" above) has many editors (including myself now) up in arms and frowning on such unacceptable behaviour here on Wikipedia. Remember this, Ahnan... Wikipedia is a community based collaborative effort and if you cannot cooperate with us or persists on ignoring the feelings of the other editors, choosing to carry on with things your way, I would suggest that you leave this project immediately because what you are doing is no different from hurting the project, Wikipedia could do without having to contend further with your incessantly argumentative or combative style/behaviour (now you know why I quoted on your pointy behaviour?).
Also, I've mentioned earlier, you're already way overboard in the department of Wikipedia:Disruptive editing, and I'm 2 seconds away from nominating you for sanctioning measures (which could result in a BLOCK or BAN for you, indefinitely if need be) on WP:WQA or WP:ANI. Take heed, this is my last piece of advice for you. Best. -- Dave ♠♣♥♦1185♪♫™ 17:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
As the title says above, I would like to seek your agreement to compromise that we will make things smooth without "making ourselves think that we are fighting against each other". This wikipedia is not like a battle for edits. When you got disagreement with my post at the discussion page or my edits, please be respectful and civil while talking to other Wiki editors like me. Thank you. Kimberry352 ( talk) 16:35, 15 June 2010 (UTC)