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Can you add a source for this addition to the article? I tried using Sitney's "Visionary Film" but he isn't in the index. AllyD ( talk) 08:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
No, I don't have a reference offhand. There is a video of his work on Vimeo where someone had created a soundtrack for Glen Falls Sequence. AskArt lists 18 book references pertaining to his work, but they may be all about his illustration. I'm in Australia too so there aren't too many reference books on the American artists not everyone has heard of, but I will see what I can find on the web. Achmedpurple ( talk) 08:29, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I noted your changes, and want to point out that what is related there is not about what was in vogue in the art market. It is about what was going on at the time in the National Art School. The conflict was extraordinary. On one hand the National Art School held classes in life drawing, object drawing and portrait painting. The drawing teachers were superbly competent, as was at least one of the design teachers. But when a student walked out of those classes, they were expected to leave behind anything formal that they might have learnt. To a student who wanted to paint portraits that were likenesses, landscape that resembled the view or a work of "design" that was representational, then the situation was nightmarish. A work produced for a "Composition" or "Design" class could be failed or receive a bare pass, simply on the grounds of being "too representational", and without consideration of whether it adequately filled the criteria of the exercise. Abstract was in, everything else was out. Your edits implied that Jean was at odds with the whole Australian art scene of the time. This was not the case. But she was very much at odds with the ethos in art teaching and the extraordinarily lax attitudes that it produced in the teachers. "Freedom of Expression" was the thing. It generated teachers who walked into their class, set up an easel, painted for a couple of hours, and walked out without having looked at the students' work unless actually requested to. Drawing teachers could get away with setting up a model and then disappearing and listening to a sporting match on their tranny in the staff room.
Re Hard Edge Abstraction, it didn't hit Australia until 1967-8, as a result of the exhibition of contemporary American painting which showed at the AGNSW. That was a real eye-opener. I think hard edge took off in Melbourne rather than Sydney. I spose it was happening at the National Art School by the time Jean stopped work in 1974. I remember a Dutch house painter from Darlinghurst who gave up his day job to paint hard edge abstractions in the early 80s but I can't recall his name. Amandajm ( talk) 14:21, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Point taken. What was in vogue in the market and the contemporary at scene at that time was not necessarily what was in vogue in art school teaching. Sydney had Central Street Gallery and that was a hub of hard edge painting in Australia. I believe James Doolin, who was painting in the hard edge "Manhattan" style, didn't have much luck in Melbourne but got a little favourable attention in Sydney thanks to Tony McGillick. Achmedpurple ( talk) 17:13, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
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Can you add a source for this addition to the article? I tried using Sitney's "Visionary Film" but he isn't in the index. AllyD ( talk) 08:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
No, I don't have a reference offhand. There is a video of his work on Vimeo where someone had created a soundtrack for Glen Falls Sequence. AskArt lists 18 book references pertaining to his work, but they may be all about his illustration. I'm in Australia too so there aren't too many reference books on the American artists not everyone has heard of, but I will see what I can find on the web. Achmedpurple ( talk) 08:29, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I noted your changes, and want to point out that what is related there is not about what was in vogue in the art market. It is about what was going on at the time in the National Art School. The conflict was extraordinary. On one hand the National Art School held classes in life drawing, object drawing and portrait painting. The drawing teachers were superbly competent, as was at least one of the design teachers. But when a student walked out of those classes, they were expected to leave behind anything formal that they might have learnt. To a student who wanted to paint portraits that were likenesses, landscape that resembled the view or a work of "design" that was representational, then the situation was nightmarish. A work produced for a "Composition" or "Design" class could be failed or receive a bare pass, simply on the grounds of being "too representational", and without consideration of whether it adequately filled the criteria of the exercise. Abstract was in, everything else was out. Your edits implied that Jean was at odds with the whole Australian art scene of the time. This was not the case. But she was very much at odds with the ethos in art teaching and the extraordinarily lax attitudes that it produced in the teachers. "Freedom of Expression" was the thing. It generated teachers who walked into their class, set up an easel, painted for a couple of hours, and walked out without having looked at the students' work unless actually requested to. Drawing teachers could get away with setting up a model and then disappearing and listening to a sporting match on their tranny in the staff room.
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Point taken. What was in vogue in the market and the contemporary at scene at that time was not necessarily what was in vogue in art school teaching. Sydney had Central Street Gallery and that was a hub of hard edge painting in Australia. I believe James Doolin, who was painting in the hard edge "Manhattan" style, didn't have much luck in Melbourne but got a little favourable attention in Sydney thanks to Tony McGillick. Achmedpurple ( talk) 17:13, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
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