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Please stop adding this category everywhere where it has no relevance. Can't help but think this is more Wikipedia:Tendentious editing. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 10:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Why so? Is it not correct in saying that their scholarship and education originated from/was based in Bukhara when it is true that it was so? Why do you keep targeting and reverting my edits when they are based in reality? Abu Yagub ( talk) 11:38, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Also, I am using Bukhara the way the Arabs used it: meaning Transoxania. I know Bukhara was a city, but Arabs (and Islamic scholars not from Transoxania nor Persia) used Bukhara as a catch-all term for basically any city in Transoxania (Margilan, Samarqand, Namankan, etc.). Thank you for removing the category from pages that it did not belong to and elaborating why (like Narshakhi who was not a theologian), but I cannot help but feel you are targeting my edits. I am NOT saying, for example, that Avicenna was Bukhari and not Persian; I am saying that his scholarship was based in and from Bukhara and that this could be said for many of the scholars that were added to this category; would you not say the same?
P.S. Avicenna is technically an Islamic scholar as his interests included Kalam (islamic theology) and Islamic philosophy. Abu Yagub ( talk) 11:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
I will retract the Transoxania claim until I find a proper source for it (most of them are news sites). However, are Samarqand, Margilan, Tashkent and Nasaf (Qarshi) not cities of Bukhara? Abu Yagub ( talk) 13:45, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
For Arabs, the cities of Samarqand, Bukhara, Tashkent, Margilan, Andijan, Namangan, etc. are all considered part of “Bukhara.” Since you claim otherwise, maybe the best way to find common ground is to see what these cities are called in English? Are they Uzbek, Transoxanian, etc.? Abu Yagub ( talk) 14:06, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
This is not my “own personal opinion”? I am simply asking you what is the equivalent of that in English? Because there is a trend in that region with the scholars that I added to the list and it would be beneficial to create this category to pool them together as they all came from the same region and inspired one another.
Anyway, after delving more into the topic, I realized the term “Bukharan Islamic Scholars” (علماء بخارى, or, more historically, ما وراء النهر) was lost in translation; the more appropriate title would be “Uzbek Islamic Scholars” (I will elaborate that these scholars must have originated from what is now modern-day Uzbekistan). I will place this change into effect and add the scholars that could be categorized as such (if that is okay with you). Abu Yagub ( talk) 14:39, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
https://u.osu.edu/uzbekistan/history/part-two-islamic-culture-in-the-medieval-period/
https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/pub/media/resources/9781474416344_Muslims_of_Central_Asia_Chapter1.pdf (pp. 16-17)
https://carnegieendowment.org/files/cp91_islam_uzbek_final.pdf (p. 18)
https://books.google.com/books?id=pDiHEcUAl_8C&pg=PA189&lpg=PA189&dq=medieval+islamic+scholars+uzbekistan&source=bl&ots=4Be88YbM3m&sig=ACfU3U3bWkmEry25ryZc34XknVbrn41sEw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjt5reK3PnyAhVzFFkFHYZiAxM4ChDoAXoECBYQAw#v=onepage&q=medieval%20islamic%20scholars%20uzbekistan&f=false -- Abu Yagub ( talk) 15:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
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Please stop adding this category everywhere where it has no relevance. Can't help but think this is more Wikipedia:Tendentious editing. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 10:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Why so? Is it not correct in saying that their scholarship and education originated from/was based in Bukhara when it is true that it was so? Why do you keep targeting and reverting my edits when they are based in reality? Abu Yagub ( talk) 11:38, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Also, I am using Bukhara the way the Arabs used it: meaning Transoxania. I know Bukhara was a city, but Arabs (and Islamic scholars not from Transoxania nor Persia) used Bukhara as a catch-all term for basically any city in Transoxania (Margilan, Samarqand, Namankan, etc.). Thank you for removing the category from pages that it did not belong to and elaborating why (like Narshakhi who was not a theologian), but I cannot help but feel you are targeting my edits. I am NOT saying, for example, that Avicenna was Bukhari and not Persian; I am saying that his scholarship was based in and from Bukhara and that this could be said for many of the scholars that were added to this category; would you not say the same?
P.S. Avicenna is technically an Islamic scholar as his interests included Kalam (islamic theology) and Islamic philosophy. Abu Yagub ( talk) 11:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
I will retract the Transoxania claim until I find a proper source for it (most of them are news sites). However, are Samarqand, Margilan, Tashkent and Nasaf (Qarshi) not cities of Bukhara? Abu Yagub ( talk) 13:45, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
For Arabs, the cities of Samarqand, Bukhara, Tashkent, Margilan, Andijan, Namangan, etc. are all considered part of “Bukhara.” Since you claim otherwise, maybe the best way to find common ground is to see what these cities are called in English? Are they Uzbek, Transoxanian, etc.? Abu Yagub ( talk) 14:06, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
This is not my “own personal opinion”? I am simply asking you what is the equivalent of that in English? Because there is a trend in that region with the scholars that I added to the list and it would be beneficial to create this category to pool them together as they all came from the same region and inspired one another.
Anyway, after delving more into the topic, I realized the term “Bukharan Islamic Scholars” (علماء بخارى, or, more historically, ما وراء النهر) was lost in translation; the more appropriate title would be “Uzbek Islamic Scholars” (I will elaborate that these scholars must have originated from what is now modern-day Uzbekistan). I will place this change into effect and add the scholars that could be categorized as such (if that is okay with you). Abu Yagub ( talk) 14:39, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
https://u.osu.edu/uzbekistan/history/part-two-islamic-culture-in-the-medieval-period/
https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/pub/media/resources/9781474416344_Muslims_of_Central_Asia_Chapter1.pdf (pp. 16-17)
https://carnegieendowment.org/files/cp91_islam_uzbek_final.pdf (p. 18)
https://books.google.com/books?id=pDiHEcUAl_8C&pg=PA189&lpg=PA189&dq=medieval+islamic+scholars+uzbekistan&source=bl&ots=4Be88YbM3m&sig=ACfU3U3bWkmEry25ryZc34XknVbrn41sEw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjt5reK3PnyAhVzFFkFHYZiAxM4ChDoAXoECBYQAw#v=onepage&q=medieval%20islamic%20scholars%20uzbekistan&f=false -- Abu Yagub ( talk) 15:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
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