Hinduism: Thanks for you work on the Hinduism article. I agreed with most of your edits. You have a good sense for wording and style. Thank you also for making edits only after considering the overall organization--some people edit one part without considering it's effect on other parts. One suggestion: Be careful not to make too many changes all at once. There are a lot of debates on the discussion page of this article. If you change too many things too fast, then if other editors disagree with just a few of your edits, they may revert all of them. Thanks again for your hard work! HeBhagawan 16:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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-- D-Boy 16:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Abe, Good work on the copyediting. I won't mention all the things I do like, b/c there are so many, but here's one I don't like: I think it is a bad idea to add "lit." to every translation of a word. There are several reasons I think it's a bad idea:
Do you agree? HeBhagawan 17:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
It's better to reply on the talk page of the person you want to hear your message. I'm pretty busy at the momemt, so I'm sorry I can't comment more extensively on the other stuff on the Hinduism page. I will comment when I can. Thanks for all your hard work! HeBhagawan 01:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry, I have not gone through the entire discussion on Bhakti Yoga etc. It's night here and too tired to read entire discussion today.
According to Geeta, there are only 3 Yogas, Bhakti, Jnan & Karma. I have argued that placing Raja Yoga with these 3 is incorrect. Raj Yog is a session bound method to meditate and to me, Raj Yog is covered in Jnan Yoga as the end-result is acquiring Jnan.
Bhakti, Jnan and Karma are way of life (Dharma as said by you or Saiva_sujit) where as Raj Yoga is a method to discipline mind, body and intellect for a session.
I do not know, whether this will help you. swadhyayee 16:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I wonder how can you place grossly wrong and un-holy links on talk pages. Why do you support the subversive method on creating prejudices for Hinduism. It's not right on your part as a good editor. swadhyayee 08:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh...I was glad I got some feed back on it! Thanks, I replaced the Rama picture with the Krishna picture since the Rama pic did not have a known copy right info. I am glad someone likes it.__ Seadog ♪ 19:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I will gladly help in the article, It does need some cats and fixings but I think it will look nice. Cheers.__ Seadog ♪ 20:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Bakaman: Can you please let me know why my edit was incorrect ? I don't have any objection to mentioning the 'Upanishads' in the introduction - I just think it is incorrect to mention the vedas and then say that " other scriptures include Upanishads". Thanks. Abecedare 03:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC) (This message was originally posted on Bakatalk)
Both are completely separate works. Also the user you reverted (I did look at the diff by the way) was the user who got the article to FA status in the first place.
Bakaman
Bakatalk
03:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey all... several years ago, I was a mainstay in Wikipedia, but eventually left after I saw all the hard work that a few dedicated writers and I did (getting Hinduism to FA status) completely destroyed. Occasionally, in spite of myself, I take a look and add my two cents.
If I had the will, I would dive headfirst into a complete overhaul of this page. But regarding the Upanishads thing, here's the deal.
The Vedas are four in number, the Rk, Yajur, Sama and Atharva. By all accounts, they were composed and passed on orally from around 2000 BCE and written down some time later in the 2nd millenium BCE. The oldest Upanishads (Brhadaranyaka and Chandogya) were written, at the earliest, around 1000 BCE, though maybe a tad bit later. The bulwark scriptures for the Vedanta (or end/essence of Veda), they were conceived of as commentaries (as Bakaman has pointed out) and embellishments of the Vedas. However, it is evident that a clear break in philosophy and new developments in ideas was witnessed. The development of at best implicitly or barely mentioned ideas (like dharma, karma, atman, brahman, yoga, sadhana) and the stress on a very Luther-like break from the mediation of spiritual growth by the priestly class was first truly witnessed in the Upanishads. Thus, while they have been classified as 'part of the Vedas', from a scholastic and historical perspective, they form a distinct set of scriptures. That's why I added them as separate, since the first two or three paragraphs of the article should be powerful but attempt to be, in their brevity, a thorough recap of things most important to Hinduism en generale. If the consensus among active editors/writers is that the reference stays, great, or that it goes, fine. I don't think, considering the horrific bloating of the article, that it would make a big difference either way. -- LordSuryaofShropshire 22:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
you can go ahead and merge it yourself.-- D-Boy 18:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm suprised the page hasn't gotten more attention, but at least 2 people are watching it. Natalie 17:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I have started naming my edit summaries. swadhyayee 03:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Describing at edit summary place. swadhyayee 05:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed what you say but it's not supposed to show as "m" when description for edit is provided. Seems to be some technical fault. swadhyayee 05:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I know. My preferential settings were to give me an alert when I forget to describe the edit summary. By selecting this, the edit does not take place at 1st instant. If, you do not describe the edit summary for the 2nd time, it edits with "m". Now you can see, inspite of edit description, "m" reflects so I presume it to be technical fault. My watchlist also not show all pages kept under watch even if they are edited. I ignore such things. It's better to ignore and accept rather than making a fuss about. swadhyayee 06:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
(on behalf of Sandstein) BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. I spotted the article you had started from a picture on the main Wiki homepage (DYK section) this morning. It's coming along nicely :-) Ys, Gouranga(UK) 16:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Good job sniffing out those references for a new comer you have shown a very good grasp of wikipedia policy. Keep it up. Also I originally deleted that statment on the article about 15 minutes ago but then he added them again with references but as you pointed out the refs are not reliable for the article. Once again keep up the good work.__ Seadog ♪ 05:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, good work on changing the sentence but we now need a new reference! I don't think Bhaskarananda said that in his "Essentials of Hinduism." Gizza Chat © 22:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
response is here. Baka man 15:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Namasteji. We must be thinking in harmony ! ॐ नमःशिवाय Śaiva Sujīt सुजीत ॐ 21:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I've never given any barnstars to anyone :D
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The Barnstar of Diligence | |
This is for your consistency with high quality and frequent edits on the Hinduism article! |
ॐ नमःशिवाय Śaiva Sujīt सुजीत ॐ 08:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Take a look at WP:BS :) ॐ नमःशिवाय Śaiva Sujīt सुजीत ॐ 23:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Namaste. You may have been involved in a discussion on Talk:Hinduism recently moved to The Hinduism notice board. If you wish to continue said topics please discuss on the noticeboard. Also please add WP:HNB to your watchlist, so we bull shit can help out all the WP:HINDU editors when needed. Thanks. Baka man 05:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah sure I will see what I can do. But would you like them like they used to be, or do you like them how they are now? Cheers! — Seadog_MS 19:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I have read your message, have to go out now. Will try to understand the transliteration part and write back. Thanks once again. swadhyayee 03:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
The only reason for placing them in that category was that they were followers of Sathya Sai Baba. Kkrystian talk 23:38 (UTC+1) 23 Dec 2006
Aye mate!
I saw your recent editsto POTA. Well AFAIK the act was repealed by curent govt way back in 2004! अमेय आर्यन DaBrood © 22:51, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Its under attack from a vandal ip address 84.xx . Do watch the page please. Baka man 17:54, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Nice, much more than I could have done. Please see User talk:Femto#Water fuel cell, I think this applies to you as well! Wonderful how taking turns is working. Femto 13:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed you hung around on WP:PINQ a bit. If you've seen WT:INB or Portal:India I'm envisioning the Hinduism project being as well organized as those pages. Baka man 23:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
It's looking better, I think. Regards, deeptrivia ( talk) 22:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks man... I appreciate the understanding.-- 68.173.46.79 01:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
for the thumbs up and the New Year greeting. User:Nobleeagle has given us a boost by committing himself to the page. Aup. and Swad. who occasionally drifted away from the article have both improved and discuss non-article related stuff at HNB, as should be the case. Things appear to be much better now. In a month or so, I'll have no time at all for Wikipedia so hopefully it will become FA or close to FA by then. Btw, are you a Hindu or an Abecedarian (or something else)? Just curious. Gizza Chat © 05:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with your first 2 proposals. either of them are satisfying.-- D-Boy 09:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The point is that that short encyclopedia entry on Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't cite any sources (so we don't know where the authors of it got the information from). Moreover, saying that Hinduism is polytheistic is too far-fetched a statement. The Gita, Vedas (etc.) do not mention in any palce that there are many gods (rather the opposite - that there is only one God) so we cannot say that Hinduism is polytheistic. Kkrystian 17:39 (UTC+1) 3 January 2007
Just wanted to thank you for your great work on the Hinduism article. It's a big complicated article, with alot of complicated opinions on which way it should go. You're doing a great job at helping to move it in the right direction. At some point I hope to get back there and help. Thanks, ॐ Priyanath talk 02:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Abecedare, Happy new year to you, I was on vacation all these days, thank you for your edits on Taittiriya.
Lokesh 2000 12:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I am just happy to promote to GA. It is just fair, because the article has been eligible for GA status for a while. But I didn't want to review it for the GA project, because I was an advocate for HeBhagawan, an editor on the page.
I already provided some suggestions at Talk:Hinduism/Archive 13. There you also can see that my involvement was controversial at the time.
Basically I wanted to shorten the article. The same suggestions have been made again at Talk:Hinduism#Length. It's not too difficult to achieve, actually... just involves a sturdy copyediting hand...
Fred- Chess 18:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
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Sincere wishes for your happiness. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 07:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I have every reason to be defensive because it took all of about 24 hours for the editors to remove almost all the content under the old title because it offended someone. Of course no one would tell me what they found offensive, they would just remove big pieces of text and rewrite it in ludicrous fashion.-- Filll 23:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
As I have said before, it took very little time for the entire article to disappear. This is frustrating. Two or three other editors had warned me that editing articles having anything to do with Hinduism was hopeless and I start to understand. At least this educational. But it will not take very much more for me to ask for the article to be deleted because it is clearly much too sensitive a topic for too many people. It is absolutely amazing to me, since I have gone to school with many Indians, and have been good friends with them, but the attitudes I am witnessing here just astound me. I will maybe have to change the name again, or move the entire content into an article about Christian creationists so it can be defended properly. I dont want to do that, but I might have to. -- Filll 00:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
So what was offensive about a picture of the murti Ganesh? I liked that picture. I want more pictures but I dont want to offend anyone.--
Filll
01:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Well I removed all references to Hindutva. Many references call it a Hindu supremacy movement (many people view black power movements in the US as black supremacy movements, and there certainly exist black supremacists, but not all black civil rights activists are supremacists definitely). But I will not mention that at all even though it is dozens of references. I do not want to get into much more than some anti-science or pseudoscience beliefs that are reminiscent of western creationism, point out some of the stories in some of the vedic scriptures that appear to not agree with Darwins theory of evolution, and talk about the ISKCON antievolutionists. All with references. Which might be complete nonsense but at least they exist. Do you have any answer to the Murti ganesh question? --
Filll
01:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
My aim is not to be inoffensive, but rather to be factual and on topic.
Well I am quite nervous about offending. I know what the references say. But it appears that everyone disagrees with them and/or is offended by them.-- Filll 05:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
However it is not sufficient to present, "anti-science or pseudoscience beliefs that are reminiscent of western creationism" in this article. Abecedare 01:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
"That is what the references say. If you have references that say the contrary, please produce them so they can be incorporated". I could be more blatant and quote directly from the articles, but I am trying to make it as mild as I can. Better ? -- Filll 05:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
That is what the references say. If you have references that say the contrary, please produce them so they can be incorporated.- Filll 02:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for moving that. As you can see from the history, that was not my last move or choice of title. I am glad finally that people are being productive and turning up great references that I could not have found easily myself. If we can pull together instead of at cross-purposes, a much better article will result and be more balanced.-- Filll 18:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I have not deleted anything (I am not that sort of person, I debate fairly), where did you get that. I take note of your advice. Let us see how the article developes. Aupmanyav 17:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I only disagree with deletion with no explanation. So if the Ganesh Murti is offensive to some, I understand and I am glad to have it removed. I had it there only because I personally find it very appealing and interesting. I have incorporated 3 of the references you thoughtfully dug up now with a couple of new sections and some new wording, and a couple of the previous references another editor found. I do not seem to be able to access the study article here about differing student attitudes in the Phillipines but maybe we can find something similar or get access to it eventually. I want to explore ALL the ways that different versions of creationism impact and interact with Hindus and Hinduism. I wonder if we can find references to the teaching of evolution in Pakistani public schools? I have looked a little and so far I am coming up empty, although my Pakistani friends have assured me this is true. Interestingly, the Pakistani Academy of Sciences (I might have that name wrong) disagrees with this policy and has issued statements supporting evolution. So I am at a bit of a loss.-- Filll 19:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I personally do not care if the reader has to read 3 sentences instead of 1 to find out the topic. At least the version so far matches
WP:LEAD more or less.--
Filll
02:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
We probably need a tag to direct people to the other meaning of the phrase East Indian as I pointed out on that talk page some weeks ago. Do you have any comments?-- Filll 03:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure I did it the right way.
East Indians (ethnic group) is sort of ambiguous, since there are at least 3 different ethnic groups that are called East Indians. So I tried a tag at the top of East Indians (ethnic group). Take a look and see what you think. --
Filll
04:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I posed the question at the reference desk and at India and maybe someone can help.-- Filll 05:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
You are right about the Hinduism page needing a thorough copyedit. This page User:Tony1/How_to_satisfy_Criterion_1a is a good guide on improving the prose (and has practice exercises). And I'll archive the Hinduism page when I have the time, probably tomorrow. You're correct, it is hard on where to draw the line! Cheers Gizza Chat © 08:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I'll copy your version into the page, I wrote mine really quickly and didn't bother rereading it or anything. By the way, for future reference, it's in the Wikipedia namespace, not my userspace, so WP:BE BOLD and make whatever changes you see fit! Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 07:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I think that there are people in this category for whom insufficient reputable sources have been provided for inclusion i.e. Benjamin Creme and Manmohan Singh. I also think that it should be named into category:Followers of Sathya Sai Baba. Can you please help to keep this category "clean"? It is quite a lot of work. Andries 11:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
May Krishna inspire us all to achieve the impossible! Gizza Chat © 07:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that you reverted one of the edits made by sockpuppets user:Cerebralsun and user:Nutramul of permbanned user user:Himalayanashoka. I have been reverting his vandalism too, but my effort by itself may not be enough. Please keep an eye on the India page and please help revert Himalayanashoka's vandalism when you can (within 3RR limits of course). Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. I am new to Wikipedia and am trying to learn correct style and citation methods. I understand the the discussions about IAST have been underway for some time. Please help me to learn how to work effectively with these tools and with this team.
Finding the right balance for inclusion of IAST is an interesting task. Ideally, the inclusion of unfamiliar writing elements such as IAST and Devanāgarī, if not overdone, could stimulate interest in some readers. But overdoing it can be pedantic and make people feel bad. Perhaps we can use it like hot pepper on food, to spice things up a bit, but recognizing that not everyone likes the same degree of curry. Buddhipriya 22:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I already added him to the checkuser list. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 04:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
So basically his position is that India has always been a country, and it's an insulting British POV to claim that it only became an independent country in 1947? -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 05:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, a large portion of the content is disputed by established editors. So to prevent edit warring, I have locked the page until things cool down. The longest the page was locked was for almost two months way back in 2005. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Your assistance in getting me started with Wikipedia has been of great value, thank you! Buddhipriya 18:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesh_Chaturthi has been vandalized and I don't know how to repair it. Can you take a look? How to deal with vandals who make multiple vandalizations? Buddhipriya 06:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
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The Hindu Firestar Thank You Award | |
Namaste! I, Buddhipriya, humbly thank you for helping me get started as a contributor to Hinduism. You were one of the first people I communicated with when I began using Wikipedia. You quickly helped my create the Ganesha Purana page which was just featured as a DYK. It is only due to your guidance that the page has any merit. If you have any further advice or comments for me, please post me a message at my talk page. Thank you for your kindness! -- Buddhipriya |
Hi Abecedare, the best link I've found so far is ( this one) which I thought might be of interest. Critically reviewed sources seem pretty hard to come by, or at least they are on the web. Regards, Gouranga(UK) 12:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Delhi is not a state. I've made reversions to image and the text updating the status. The reason is mentioned in the talk:india page. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks - I was going to file an ANI the other day when the IP edits started up again but didn't have the time. The username he's picked this time is so blatant that surely a lengthy block must be around the corner. As for reverting, he's so predictable a bot could probably do it :)
Orpheus 01:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for the edits. As you asked, the second paragraph of geography is incorrectly placed. It should rather be a part of "Economy". Can you do that yourself. I am not editing it, as it may cause an edit-conflict with you. Regards, — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 09:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you may want to look at this [1]. Baka man 02:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Can you help me see how to map the term "Ganapati Upanishad" so the page "Ganapati Atharvashirsa" comes up? I don't know what the rules are about such redirections. Thanks! Buddhipriya 01:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I award you this Barnstar for your contributions to wikipedia on India-related articles. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! And thanks for helping copyedit it. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I thought you might be interested (at your convenience). Talk:Indian_mathematics#Request_for_comment:_Reliable_Sources_for_Indian_Mathematics Feedback is requested for a problem on the Indian mathematics page, where two users have a disagreement about what constitutes reliable sources for claims in the article. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 05:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
As followup on our comments the other day I made some edits to Nastika. I am done with that one, would you please look at it and see if it is better or worse than when I started? I am fiddling around with Carvaka now but it will take longer. Any suggestions? Buddhipriya 03:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, I was involved in the RfC in Indian mathematics. My efforts were directed towards creating a version such as this one, as compared to the this, this and this version. My efforts initially began with removing misrepresentation of quotaions and then I tried providing some of the "citations needed" tags with actual citations. The situation resulted into an RfC, timed during my examinations, to which I could admittedly, not work on adequately. Fowler&fowler has asked me to work with him but since I am sitting my examinations and the article has been edited extensively since the RfC by other editors I no longer can keep up the pace. My exams will continue and after that I will be leaving, taking a few days off WP. I have reviewed my future with the Indian mathematics article, and have come to the conclusion that since I am under time constraints and am under such pressure in real life that adequate responses or editing actions on "Indian mathematics" are just not possible for me right now. I can't contribute to it in the manner that I usually would; it would be unethical to the extreme to ask the other editors, who have wished me well during my examination, to wait. The article is under the watch of many good editors and I see and hope that it's quality benefits from the present situation. Many regards, Freedom skies| talk 02:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Abecedare, it seems Krishna Kant did refer to the Supreme Court of India as the Indian Supreme Court, but I don't like it. May I know on what page of Justice Sabharwal's citation does he refer to the Supreme Court as Indian Supreme Court? Can you find out if the Supreme Court is called and referred to as Indian Supreme Court in the mainstream media in India? Kanchanamala 16:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I have made some edits to the article on Nirukta and I would benefit if you would give it a read when you have nothing better to do. Since we are working together on a practical example of Nirukta with the word nastika, perhaps you would enjoy helping with this article as well. At one time people used nirukta as a form of entertainment, but they did not have the Internet then. Buddhipriya 07:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for doing the merge. It will be interesting to work out the combined language. I notice that in your edits you are removing the IAST, which makes it very difficult for me to make the case that the word is not based on the verb form "asti" as the article now says. It is based on the adjective āstika ("believing"), which is a completely unrelated concept. The article now uses the common false etymology. The footnotes are now somewhat misplaced as well, as they do not prove the points with which they are associated. Overall these are minor concerns, and your general improvements to the article are excellent as always. If you let me know when you have completed your pass, I would like to go through it again to find points where the sources no longer support the arguments. It is always enjoyable working with you!
The difficulty is that Devanagari has (at least) 46 letters of the alphabet, while English has but 26. This means that when discussing these ideas in simple English we must throw out 43% of the Devanagari writing system (20/46). If a similar burden were imposed on English, it would be necessary to omit eleven letters of the English alphabet (.43 * 26). Which ones would be easiest to do away with? To make it fair, at least one of the vowels would need to go. I suggest "i" since it causes the most trouble. (This is a Sanskrit joke). :) Cheers! Buddhipriya 04:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I think I see why we may have accidentally been talking past one another, as seems to happen often with lack of face to face communication. I think we are both correct, but are looking at different aspects of the etymology. I was trying to show the derivation of the term nāstika, not the derivation of the term āstika. :) The derivation of āstika is what MW has (and I am not arguing with Panini). The actual page from MW is also available here: [5]. See bottom of first column. So the derivation of āstika from asti is not in dispute. It is the derivation of nāstika that I was working on, which is not from asti directly, but from the derivative āstika. To find the derivation of nāstika as a term of art in philosphy, you must ask if the term "astika" is used to mean "orthodox"? The answer is no, it is always "āstika", that is, the derived term meaning "believing" (from whatever the original root may have been). The adjective "believing" may indeed have come from asti as a source, but the word "heterodox" comes from na + āstika, not from na + astika. Since the sandhi resolves both possibilities to nāstika, either could be true in theory. (That is, you are completely right about the sandhi being ambiguous.) That is why we must turn to the books that use it as a term of art and see, does the term "astika" ever appear. Since it does not, the derivation is na + āstika. I suspect we are the only two people on the internet who will care about this, by the way. But it is refreshing to have the exchange. :) Buddhipriya 05:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, can you add this link for the "Nasthika Yoga" trivia. I don't want to create an edit conflict by adding it myself. Abecedare 05:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Namaskar
With reference to the warning and edition on Siddhivinayak Temple article, the extrenal link, referred by you was already removed after mutual agreement with Buddhipriya. Still you shot a warning to me. I must say, this is not proper for esteemed editor like you.
If you are not aware/sure of the issue, better move it to User Talk; but it does not mean you should send a warning note. Also I hope you will respect the edits done by other editors and show courtesy to remove the warning sent to me. FYI - The statement you removed was already edited by Aadarniy Shri. Buddhipriya ji.
Anit.pimple 18:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Happy Holi !!-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 05:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I just want to make sure you understand the history. If you already know this, just ignore me. But your remark about avoiding the article suggested you didn't. Katefan did choose not to edit the article. She never had anything at all to do with Brandt or his article in any way. As far as I'm aware, neither did Essjay. Yet there has been an active hit campaign against him at WR for about a year. The only way to stay off Brandt's admin stalker list is to stay off Wikipedia. When the information could equally well be organized in another way (merged), and probably would except for pure historical chance, it seems to me there is no principal at stake, but plenty of practice. Cheers, Derex 06:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Because of India's rich diversity, no one image can represent all of India's one billion people. That is why I propose selecting a new demographics image every three months. This would allow for a regional balance and would show India as a whole. Many people have agreed that this is the only way to represent India's rich and varied diversity. Since you have voted for a change in the demographics section, I wanted to update you on this proposal. I would love to hear your comments on talk:India. Thanks so much. Have a great day!
- Coollemonade 00:01, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for telling me which part was 'Kali'. Is there any kind of code that I should type along with his name? The reason I ask is because his Devanāgarī name has {{lang|sa|कलि}} ( Ghostexorcist 04:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC))
I've addressed most of your concerns would you mind having a look? Quadzilla99 18:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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That is fine. Note that I don't dispute the correctness of most of the statements that I deleted from these two sections; my motivation is rather to keep the focus of the article on matters that people will care about 20 years from now; which is clearly MJ's UNC and Bulls playing period, followed by his stupendous marketability. (That is the reason I think it's fair for the article to discuss in such detail the 1998 Finals game against Jazz; while I trimmed details from MJ's final wizard game, which has more sentimental value than biographical worth.) As for the specific edit you mention, that is a borderline case IMO and I have no problem with it being kept in the article. Cheers.
Abecedare
08:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Since you commented on on the CFD for Category:Keralite americans it seems fitting for you to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_9#Category:Tamil_Americans. Baka man 00:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
...very much for the friendly welcome back. Unfortunately, I have been extremely busy with my love-affair with physics and mathematics that I have had scarcely any time on a computer not dominated by my software overlords such as Maple (software), etc. Hopefully in the weeks to come I will have time to contribute to Wikipedia. I also thank you for pointing that discussion out to me, as it is an important article to me! ॐ नमःशिवाय Śaiva Sujīt सुजीत ॐ 12:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. It's all getting rather tiresome. Orpheus 15:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I have filed a checkuser request, so it is only a matter of time before his current accounts are blocked, vandalism reverted, and uploaded images deleted. Abecedare 17:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The Michael Jordan FAC has been re-listed (which was probably a good idea). Thought you'd like to know, here's a quick link. Quadzilla99 14:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Abecedare, I have just posted a suggestion for you to review on the talk page of Hindu. Please permit me to make suggestions from time to time on a 'line item' basis. I am confident we shall make an excellent team. By the way, you can say cheers. I shall apologise to you for the misunderstanding on my part. Thanks. Kanchanamala 07:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
No need for an apology, and no harm done. I didn't mean to 'derail' the talk page. As you can probably tell, I'm fairly new to participating on Wiki so I'm not very familiar with all the rules and etiquette yet. Invario 14:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
A bit late with this, sorry. The spelling is a barbarism. Assuming 'Barhaspatya' is meant, the reference would seem to be this screed. But, frankly, I've never heard of it, even though I've seen the alleged sloka here and there on the net. 'Brhaspati samhita', OTOH, is a legitimate name but unfortunately not unique. There is a work on astrology by this name; part of the Garuda Purana is known by this name; and so on. The basic point, though, is correct: any Sanskrit text with 'Hindu' in it can't be old (the earliest attestation may be an inscription by Bukka, the founder of the Vijayanagara Empire, 14th CE.) rudra 06:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Hinduism: Thanks for you work on the Hinduism article. I agreed with most of your edits. You have a good sense for wording and style. Thank you also for making edits only after considering the overall organization--some people edit one part without considering it's effect on other parts. One suggestion: Be careful not to make too many changes all at once. There are a lot of debates on the discussion page of this article. If you change too many things too fast, then if other editors disagree with just a few of your edits, they may revert all of them. Thanks again for your hard work! HeBhagawan 16:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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-- D-Boy 16:21, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Abe, Good work on the copyediting. I won't mention all the things I do like, b/c there are so many, but here's one I don't like: I think it is a bad idea to add "lit." to every translation of a word. There are several reasons I think it's a bad idea:
Do you agree? HeBhagawan 17:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
It's better to reply on the talk page of the person you want to hear your message. I'm pretty busy at the momemt, so I'm sorry I can't comment more extensively on the other stuff on the Hinduism page. I will comment when I can. Thanks for all your hard work! HeBhagawan 01:33, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry, I have not gone through the entire discussion on Bhakti Yoga etc. It's night here and too tired to read entire discussion today.
According to Geeta, there are only 3 Yogas, Bhakti, Jnan & Karma. I have argued that placing Raja Yoga with these 3 is incorrect. Raj Yog is a session bound method to meditate and to me, Raj Yog is covered in Jnan Yoga as the end-result is acquiring Jnan.
Bhakti, Jnan and Karma are way of life (Dharma as said by you or Saiva_sujit) where as Raj Yoga is a method to discipline mind, body and intellect for a session.
I do not know, whether this will help you. swadhyayee 16:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I wonder how can you place grossly wrong and un-holy links on talk pages. Why do you support the subversive method on creating prejudices for Hinduism. It's not right on your part as a good editor. swadhyayee 08:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh...I was glad I got some feed back on it! Thanks, I replaced the Rama picture with the Krishna picture since the Rama pic did not have a known copy right info. I am glad someone likes it.__ Seadog ♪ 19:33, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
I will gladly help in the article, It does need some cats and fixings but I think it will look nice. Cheers.__ Seadog ♪ 20:43, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Bakaman: Can you please let me know why my edit was incorrect ? I don't have any objection to mentioning the 'Upanishads' in the introduction - I just think it is incorrect to mention the vedas and then say that " other scriptures include Upanishads". Thanks. Abecedare 03:21, 27 November 2006 (UTC) (This message was originally posted on Bakatalk)
Both are completely separate works. Also the user you reverted (I did look at the diff by the way) was the user who got the article to FA status in the first place.
Bakaman
Bakatalk
03:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey all... several years ago, I was a mainstay in Wikipedia, but eventually left after I saw all the hard work that a few dedicated writers and I did (getting Hinduism to FA status) completely destroyed. Occasionally, in spite of myself, I take a look and add my two cents.
If I had the will, I would dive headfirst into a complete overhaul of this page. But regarding the Upanishads thing, here's the deal.
The Vedas are four in number, the Rk, Yajur, Sama and Atharva. By all accounts, they were composed and passed on orally from around 2000 BCE and written down some time later in the 2nd millenium BCE. The oldest Upanishads (Brhadaranyaka and Chandogya) were written, at the earliest, around 1000 BCE, though maybe a tad bit later. The bulwark scriptures for the Vedanta (or end/essence of Veda), they were conceived of as commentaries (as Bakaman has pointed out) and embellishments of the Vedas. However, it is evident that a clear break in philosophy and new developments in ideas was witnessed. The development of at best implicitly or barely mentioned ideas (like dharma, karma, atman, brahman, yoga, sadhana) and the stress on a very Luther-like break from the mediation of spiritual growth by the priestly class was first truly witnessed in the Upanishads. Thus, while they have been classified as 'part of the Vedas', from a scholastic and historical perspective, they form a distinct set of scriptures. That's why I added them as separate, since the first two or three paragraphs of the article should be powerful but attempt to be, in their brevity, a thorough recap of things most important to Hinduism en generale. If the consensus among active editors/writers is that the reference stays, great, or that it goes, fine. I don't think, considering the horrific bloating of the article, that it would make a big difference either way. -- LordSuryaofShropshire 22:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
you can go ahead and merge it yourself.-- D-Boy 18:30, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm suprised the page hasn't gotten more attention, but at least 2 people are watching it. Natalie 17:28, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I have started naming my edit summaries. swadhyayee 03:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Describing at edit summary place. swadhyayee 05:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I have noticed what you say but it's not supposed to show as "m" when description for edit is provided. Seems to be some technical fault. swadhyayee 05:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I know. My preferential settings were to give me an alert when I forget to describe the edit summary. By selecting this, the edit does not take place at 1st instant. If, you do not describe the edit summary for the 2nd time, it edits with "m". Now you can see, inspite of edit description, "m" reflects so I presume it to be technical fault. My watchlist also not show all pages kept under watch even if they are edited. I ignore such things. It's better to ignore and accept rather than making a fuss about. swadhyayee 06:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
(on behalf of Sandstein) BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:40, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. I spotted the article you had started from a picture on the main Wiki homepage (DYK section) this morning. It's coming along nicely :-) Ys, Gouranga(UK) 16:35, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Good job sniffing out those references for a new comer you have shown a very good grasp of wikipedia policy. Keep it up. Also I originally deleted that statment on the article about 15 minutes ago but then he added them again with references but as you pointed out the refs are not reliable for the article. Once again keep up the good work.__ Seadog ♪ 05:58, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, good work on changing the sentence but we now need a new reference! I don't think Bhaskarananda said that in his "Essentials of Hinduism." Gizza Chat © 22:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
response is here. Baka man 15:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Namasteji. We must be thinking in harmony ! ॐ नमःशिवाय Śaiva Sujīt सुजीत ॐ 21:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
I've never given any barnstars to anyone :D
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ॐ नमःशिवाय Śaiva Sujīt सुजीत ॐ 08:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Take a look at WP:BS :) ॐ नमःशिवाय Śaiva Sujīt सुजीत ॐ 23:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Namaste. You may have been involved in a discussion on Talk:Hinduism recently moved to The Hinduism notice board. If you wish to continue said topics please discuss on the noticeboard. Also please add WP:HNB to your watchlist, so we bull shit can help out all the WP:HINDU editors when needed. Thanks. Baka man 05:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Yeah sure I will see what I can do. But would you like them like they used to be, or do you like them how they are now? Cheers! — Seadog_MS 19:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, I have read your message, have to go out now. Will try to understand the transliteration part and write back. Thanks once again. swadhyayee 03:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
The only reason for placing them in that category was that they were followers of Sathya Sai Baba. Kkrystian talk 23:38 (UTC+1) 23 Dec 2006
Aye mate!
I saw your recent editsto POTA. Well AFAIK the act was repealed by curent govt way back in 2004! अमेय आर्यन DaBrood © 22:51, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Its under attack from a vandal ip address 84.xx . Do watch the page please. Baka man 17:54, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Nice, much more than I could have done. Please see User talk:Femto#Water fuel cell, I think this applies to you as well! Wonderful how taking turns is working. Femto 13:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed you hung around on WP:PINQ a bit. If you've seen WT:INB or Portal:India I'm envisioning the Hinduism project being as well organized as those pages. Baka man 23:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
It's looking better, I think. Regards, deeptrivia ( talk) 22:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks man... I appreciate the understanding.-- 68.173.46.79 01:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
for the thumbs up and the New Year greeting. User:Nobleeagle has given us a boost by committing himself to the page. Aup. and Swad. who occasionally drifted away from the article have both improved and discuss non-article related stuff at HNB, as should be the case. Things appear to be much better now. In a month or so, I'll have no time at all for Wikipedia so hopefully it will become FA or close to FA by then. Btw, are you a Hindu or an Abecedarian (or something else)? Just curious. Gizza Chat © 05:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with your first 2 proposals. either of them are satisfying.-- D-Boy 09:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The point is that that short encyclopedia entry on Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't cite any sources (so we don't know where the authors of it got the information from). Moreover, saying that Hinduism is polytheistic is too far-fetched a statement. The Gita, Vedas (etc.) do not mention in any palce that there are many gods (rather the opposite - that there is only one God) so we cannot say that Hinduism is polytheistic. Kkrystian 17:39 (UTC+1) 3 January 2007
Just wanted to thank you for your great work on the Hinduism article. It's a big complicated article, with alot of complicated opinions on which way it should go. You're doing a great job at helping to move it in the right direction. At some point I hope to get back there and help. Thanks, ॐ Priyanath talk 02:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Abecedare, Happy new year to you, I was on vacation all these days, thank you for your edits on Taittiriya.
Lokesh 2000 12:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I am just happy to promote to GA. It is just fair, because the article has been eligible for GA status for a while. But I didn't want to review it for the GA project, because I was an advocate for HeBhagawan, an editor on the page.
I already provided some suggestions at Talk:Hinduism/Archive 13. There you also can see that my involvement was controversial at the time.
Basically I wanted to shorten the article. The same suggestions have been made again at Talk:Hinduism#Length. It's not too difficult to achieve, actually... just involves a sturdy copyediting hand...
Fred- Chess 18:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
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Sincere wishes for your happiness. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 07:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I have every reason to be defensive because it took all of about 24 hours for the editors to remove almost all the content under the old title because it offended someone. Of course no one would tell me what they found offensive, they would just remove big pieces of text and rewrite it in ludicrous fashion.-- Filll 23:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
As I have said before, it took very little time for the entire article to disappear. This is frustrating. Two or three other editors had warned me that editing articles having anything to do with Hinduism was hopeless and I start to understand. At least this educational. But it will not take very much more for me to ask for the article to be deleted because it is clearly much too sensitive a topic for too many people. It is absolutely amazing to me, since I have gone to school with many Indians, and have been good friends with them, but the attitudes I am witnessing here just astound me. I will maybe have to change the name again, or move the entire content into an article about Christian creationists so it can be defended properly. I dont want to do that, but I might have to. -- Filll 00:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
So what was offensive about a picture of the murti Ganesh? I liked that picture. I want more pictures but I dont want to offend anyone.--
Filll
01:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Well I removed all references to Hindutva. Many references call it a Hindu supremacy movement (many people view black power movements in the US as black supremacy movements, and there certainly exist black supremacists, but not all black civil rights activists are supremacists definitely). But I will not mention that at all even though it is dozens of references. I do not want to get into much more than some anti-science or pseudoscience beliefs that are reminiscent of western creationism, point out some of the stories in some of the vedic scriptures that appear to not agree with Darwins theory of evolution, and talk about the ISKCON antievolutionists. All with references. Which might be complete nonsense but at least they exist. Do you have any answer to the Murti ganesh question? --
Filll
01:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
My aim is not to be inoffensive, but rather to be factual and on topic.
Well I am quite nervous about offending. I know what the references say. But it appears that everyone disagrees with them and/or is offended by them.-- Filll 05:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
However it is not sufficient to present, "anti-science or pseudoscience beliefs that are reminiscent of western creationism" in this article. Abecedare 01:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
"That is what the references say. If you have references that say the contrary, please produce them so they can be incorporated". I could be more blatant and quote directly from the articles, but I am trying to make it as mild as I can. Better ? -- Filll 05:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
That is what the references say. If you have references that say the contrary, please produce them so they can be incorporated.- Filll 02:07, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for moving that. As you can see from the history, that was not my last move or choice of title. I am glad finally that people are being productive and turning up great references that I could not have found easily myself. If we can pull together instead of at cross-purposes, a much better article will result and be more balanced.-- Filll 18:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I have not deleted anything (I am not that sort of person, I debate fairly), where did you get that. I take note of your advice. Let us see how the article developes. Aupmanyav 17:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I only disagree with deletion with no explanation. So if the Ganesh Murti is offensive to some, I understand and I am glad to have it removed. I had it there only because I personally find it very appealing and interesting. I have incorporated 3 of the references you thoughtfully dug up now with a couple of new sections and some new wording, and a couple of the previous references another editor found. I do not seem to be able to access the study article here about differing student attitudes in the Phillipines but maybe we can find something similar or get access to it eventually. I want to explore ALL the ways that different versions of creationism impact and interact with Hindus and Hinduism. I wonder if we can find references to the teaching of evolution in Pakistani public schools? I have looked a little and so far I am coming up empty, although my Pakistani friends have assured me this is true. Interestingly, the Pakistani Academy of Sciences (I might have that name wrong) disagrees with this policy and has issued statements supporting evolution. So I am at a bit of a loss.-- Filll 19:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I personally do not care if the reader has to read 3 sentences instead of 1 to find out the topic. At least the version so far matches
WP:LEAD more or less.--
Filll
02:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
We probably need a tag to direct people to the other meaning of the phrase East Indian as I pointed out on that talk page some weeks ago. Do you have any comments?-- Filll 03:55, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I am not sure I did it the right way.
East Indians (ethnic group) is sort of ambiguous, since there are at least 3 different ethnic groups that are called East Indians. So I tried a tag at the top of East Indians (ethnic group). Take a look and see what you think. --
Filll
04:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I posed the question at the reference desk and at India and maybe someone can help.-- Filll 05:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
You are right about the Hinduism page needing a thorough copyedit. This page User:Tony1/How_to_satisfy_Criterion_1a is a good guide on improving the prose (and has practice exercises). And I'll archive the Hinduism page when I have the time, probably tomorrow. You're correct, it is hard on where to draw the line! Cheers Gizza Chat © 08:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I'll copy your version into the page, I wrote mine really quickly and didn't bother rereading it or anything. By the way, for future reference, it's in the Wikipedia namespace, not my userspace, so WP:BE BOLD and make whatever changes you see fit! Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 07:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
I think that there are people in this category for whom insufficient reputable sources have been provided for inclusion i.e. Benjamin Creme and Manmohan Singh. I also think that it should be named into category:Followers of Sathya Sai Baba. Can you please help to keep this category "clean"? It is quite a lot of work. Andries 11:37, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
May Krishna inspire us all to achieve the impossible! Gizza Chat © 07:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed that you reverted one of the edits made by sockpuppets user:Cerebralsun and user:Nutramul of permbanned user user:Himalayanashoka. I have been reverting his vandalism too, but my effort by itself may not be enough. Please keep an eye on the India page and please help revert Himalayanashoka's vandalism when you can (within 3RR limits of course). Fowler&fowler «Talk» 15:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments. I am new to Wikipedia and am trying to learn correct style and citation methods. I understand the the discussions about IAST have been underway for some time. Please help me to learn how to work effectively with these tools and with this team.
Finding the right balance for inclusion of IAST is an interesting task. Ideally, the inclusion of unfamiliar writing elements such as IAST and Devanāgarī, if not overdone, could stimulate interest in some readers. But overdoing it can be pedantic and make people feel bad. Perhaps we can use it like hot pepper on food, to spice things up a bit, but recognizing that not everyone likes the same degree of curry. Buddhipriya 22:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I already added him to the checkuser list. -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 04:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
So basically his position is that India has always been a country, and it's an insulting British POV to claim that it only became an independent country in 1947? -- Jim Douglas (talk) (contribs) 05:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, a large portion of the content is disputed by established editors. So to prevent edit warring, I have locked the page until things cool down. The longest the page was locked was for almost two months way back in 2005. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:12, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Your assistance in getting me started with Wikipedia has been of great value, thank you! Buddhipriya 18:19, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganesh_Chaturthi has been vandalized and I don't know how to repair it. Can you take a look? How to deal with vandals who make multiple vandalizations? Buddhipriya 06:16, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
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Namaste! I, Buddhipriya, humbly thank you for helping me get started as a contributor to Hinduism. You were one of the first people I communicated with when I began using Wikipedia. You quickly helped my create the Ganesha Purana page which was just featured as a DYK. It is only due to your guidance that the page has any merit. If you have any further advice or comments for me, please post me a message at my talk page. Thank you for your kindness! -- Buddhipriya |
Hi Abecedare, the best link I've found so far is ( this one) which I thought might be of interest. Critically reviewed sources seem pretty hard to come by, or at least they are on the web. Regards, Gouranga(UK) 12:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Delhi is not a state. I've made reversions to image and the text updating the status. The reason is mentioned in the talk:india page. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:08, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks - I was going to file an ANI the other day when the IP edits started up again but didn't have the time. The username he's picked this time is so blatant that surely a lengthy block must be around the corner. As for reverting, he's so predictable a bot could probably do it :)
Orpheus 01:15, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
Thanks for the edits. As you asked, the second paragraph of geography is incorrectly placed. It should rather be a part of "Economy". Can you do that yourself. I am not editing it, as it may cause an edit-conflict with you. Regards, — Ambuj Saxena ( ☎) 09:39, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you may want to look at this [1]. Baka man 02:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Can you help me see how to map the term "Ganapati Upanishad" so the page "Ganapati Atharvashirsa" comes up? I don't know what the rules are about such redirections. Thanks! Buddhipriya 01:41, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I award you this Barnstar for your contributions to wikipedia on India-related articles. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! And thanks for helping copyedit it. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I thought you might be interested (at your convenience). Talk:Indian_mathematics#Request_for_comment:_Reliable_Sources_for_Indian_Mathematics Feedback is requested for a problem on the Indian mathematics page, where two users have a disagreement about what constitutes reliable sources for claims in the article. Fowler&fowler «Talk» 05:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
As followup on our comments the other day I made some edits to Nastika. I am done with that one, would you please look at it and see if it is better or worse than when I started? I am fiddling around with Carvaka now but it will take longer. Any suggestions? Buddhipriya 03:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
Greetings, I was involved in the RfC in Indian mathematics. My efforts were directed towards creating a version such as this one, as compared to the this, this and this version. My efforts initially began with removing misrepresentation of quotaions and then I tried providing some of the "citations needed" tags with actual citations. The situation resulted into an RfC, timed during my examinations, to which I could admittedly, not work on adequately. Fowler&fowler has asked me to work with him but since I am sitting my examinations and the article has been edited extensively since the RfC by other editors I no longer can keep up the pace. My exams will continue and after that I will be leaving, taking a few days off WP. I have reviewed my future with the Indian mathematics article, and have come to the conclusion that since I am under time constraints and am under such pressure in real life that adequate responses or editing actions on "Indian mathematics" are just not possible for me right now. I can't contribute to it in the manner that I usually would; it would be unethical to the extreme to ask the other editors, who have wished me well during my examination, to wait. The article is under the watch of many good editors and I see and hope that it's quality benefits from the present situation. Many regards, Freedom skies| talk 02:03, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
Abecedare, it seems Krishna Kant did refer to the Supreme Court of India as the Indian Supreme Court, but I don't like it. May I know on what page of Justice Sabharwal's citation does he refer to the Supreme Court as Indian Supreme Court? Can you find out if the Supreme Court is called and referred to as Indian Supreme Court in the mainstream media in India? Kanchanamala 16:27, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
I have made some edits to the article on Nirukta and I would benefit if you would give it a read when you have nothing better to do. Since we are working together on a practical example of Nirukta with the word nastika, perhaps you would enjoy helping with this article as well. At one time people used nirukta as a form of entertainment, but they did not have the Internet then. Buddhipriya 07:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for doing the merge. It will be interesting to work out the combined language. I notice that in your edits you are removing the IAST, which makes it very difficult for me to make the case that the word is not based on the verb form "asti" as the article now says. It is based on the adjective āstika ("believing"), which is a completely unrelated concept. The article now uses the common false etymology. The footnotes are now somewhat misplaced as well, as they do not prove the points with which they are associated. Overall these are minor concerns, and your general improvements to the article are excellent as always. If you let me know when you have completed your pass, I would like to go through it again to find points where the sources no longer support the arguments. It is always enjoyable working with you!
The difficulty is that Devanagari has (at least) 46 letters of the alphabet, while English has but 26. This means that when discussing these ideas in simple English we must throw out 43% of the Devanagari writing system (20/46). If a similar burden were imposed on English, it would be necessary to omit eleven letters of the English alphabet (.43 * 26). Which ones would be easiest to do away with? To make it fair, at least one of the vowels would need to go. I suggest "i" since it causes the most trouble. (This is a Sanskrit joke). :) Cheers! Buddhipriya 04:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
I think I see why we may have accidentally been talking past one another, as seems to happen often with lack of face to face communication. I think we are both correct, but are looking at different aspects of the etymology. I was trying to show the derivation of the term nāstika, not the derivation of the term āstika. :) The derivation of āstika is what MW has (and I am not arguing with Panini). The actual page from MW is also available here: [5]. See bottom of first column. So the derivation of āstika from asti is not in dispute. It is the derivation of nāstika that I was working on, which is not from asti directly, but from the derivative āstika. To find the derivation of nāstika as a term of art in philosphy, you must ask if the term "astika" is used to mean "orthodox"? The answer is no, it is always "āstika", that is, the derived term meaning "believing" (from whatever the original root may have been). The adjective "believing" may indeed have come from asti as a source, but the word "heterodox" comes from na + āstika, not from na + astika. Since the sandhi resolves both possibilities to nāstika, either could be true in theory. (That is, you are completely right about the sandhi being ambiguous.) That is why we must turn to the books that use it as a term of art and see, does the term "astika" ever appear. Since it does not, the derivation is na + āstika. I suspect we are the only two people on the internet who will care about this, by the way. But it is refreshing to have the exchange. :) Buddhipriya 05:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Also, can you add this link for the "Nasthika Yoga" trivia. I don't want to create an edit conflict by adding it myself. Abecedare 05:28, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Namaskar
With reference to the warning and edition on Siddhivinayak Temple article, the extrenal link, referred by you was already removed after mutual agreement with Buddhipriya. Still you shot a warning to me. I must say, this is not proper for esteemed editor like you.
If you are not aware/sure of the issue, better move it to User Talk; but it does not mean you should send a warning note. Also I hope you will respect the edits done by other editors and show courtesy to remove the warning sent to me. FYI - The statement you removed was already edited by Aadarniy Shri. Buddhipriya ji.
Anit.pimple 18:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Happy Holi !!-- Dwaipayan ( talk) 05:59, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I just want to make sure you understand the history. If you already know this, just ignore me. But your remark about avoiding the article suggested you didn't. Katefan did choose not to edit the article. She never had anything at all to do with Brandt or his article in any way. As far as I'm aware, neither did Essjay. Yet there has been an active hit campaign against him at WR for about a year. The only way to stay off Brandt's admin stalker list is to stay off Wikipedia. When the information could equally well be organized in another way (merged), and probably would except for pure historical chance, it seems to me there is no principal at stake, but plenty of practice. Cheers, Derex 06:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Because of India's rich diversity, no one image can represent all of India's one billion people. That is why I propose selecting a new demographics image every three months. This would allow for a regional balance and would show India as a whole. Many people have agreed that this is the only way to represent India's rich and varied diversity. Since you have voted for a change in the demographics section, I wanted to update you on this proposal. I would love to hear your comments on talk:India. Thanks so much. Have a great day!
- Coollemonade 00:01, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for telling me which part was 'Kali'. Is there any kind of code that I should type along with his name? The reason I ask is because his Devanāgarī name has {{lang|sa|कलि}} ( Ghostexorcist 04:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC))
I've addressed most of your concerns would you mind having a look? Quadzilla99 18:50, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
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That is fine. Note that I don't dispute the correctness of most of the statements that I deleted from these two sections; my motivation is rather to keep the focus of the article on matters that people will care about 20 years from now; which is clearly MJ's UNC and Bulls playing period, followed by his stupendous marketability. (That is the reason I think it's fair for the article to discuss in such detail the 1998 Finals game against Jazz; while I trimmed details from MJ's final wizard game, which has more sentimental value than biographical worth.) As for the specific edit you mention, that is a borderline case IMO and I have no problem with it being kept in the article. Cheers.
Abecedare
08:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Since you commented on on the CFD for Category:Keralite americans it seems fitting for you to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_March_9#Category:Tamil_Americans. Baka man 00:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
...very much for the friendly welcome back. Unfortunately, I have been extremely busy with my love-affair with physics and mathematics that I have had scarcely any time on a computer not dominated by my software overlords such as Maple (software), etc. Hopefully in the weeks to come I will have time to contribute to Wikipedia. I also thank you for pointing that discussion out to me, as it is an important article to me! ॐ नमःशिवाय Śaiva Sujīt सुजीत ॐ 12:51, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. It's all getting rather tiresome. Orpheus 15:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I have filed a checkuser request, so it is only a matter of time before his current accounts are blocked, vandalism reverted, and uploaded images deleted. Abecedare 17:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The Michael Jordan FAC has been re-listed (which was probably a good idea). Thought you'd like to know, here's a quick link. Quadzilla99 14:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Abecedare, I have just posted a suggestion for you to review on the talk page of Hindu. Please permit me to make suggestions from time to time on a 'line item' basis. I am confident we shall make an excellent team. By the way, you can say cheers. I shall apologise to you for the misunderstanding on my part. Thanks. Kanchanamala 07:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
No need for an apology, and no harm done. I didn't mean to 'derail' the talk page. As you can probably tell, I'm fairly new to participating on Wiki so I'm not very familiar with all the rules and etiquette yet. Invario 14:59, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
A bit late with this, sorry. The spelling is a barbarism. Assuming 'Barhaspatya' is meant, the reference would seem to be this screed. But, frankly, I've never heard of it, even though I've seen the alleged sloka here and there on the net. 'Brhaspati samhita', OTOH, is a legitimate name but unfortunately not unique. There is a work on astrology by this name; part of the Garuda Purana is known by this name; and so on. The basic point, though, is correct: any Sanskrit text with 'Hindu' in it can't be old (the earliest attestation may be an inscription by Bukka, the founder of the Vijayanagara Empire, 14th CE.) rudra 06:20, 21 March 2007 (UTC)