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Hi 28bytes. In summary of the COIN thread here, you developed the video game Duck Attack! for the Atari 2600 video game console. [1] You have a COI with the Duck Attack! topic and need to limit edits to the Duck Attack! topic to those listed at WP:COIU. You lack a current WP:EXTERNALREL with the Digimarc and Bruce Davis (video game industry) topics, [2] so you do not have COI with either topic. Thanks for cross reporting at the Administrators' noticeboard. -- Jreferee ( talk) 03:56, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
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Hi 28bytes. I, Colton Cosmic, was blocked well more than a year ago, but I don't feel I ever got a fair shake, or that Wikipedia policies were observed in my case. This is a heads up that I'm going to ask you to review things, but I'm waiting to hear back from another person, Floquenbeam, that I've asked.
I followed the Arbcom elections but never looked at your statement until a few minutes ago. I'm not buttering you up, but you made good sense in almost all of that. I appreciated particularly your statement that actions should be backed up by stated reasons "you won't be left wondering why." Still, looking at your userpage though, and glancing at your recent contributions, I confess I don't quite understand why you would finish at the top of the pack in the election. Nothing objectionable, and no offense intended, but why you came out so particularly popular, I can't understand. I could understand an average finish there. I guess I need to research your contributions deeper to understand why you got all that support.
I've made personal appeals before, usually accompanied by my depiction of how I was wrongly handled. Perhaps it's best now to try not saying anything. If you agree you can examine my case as you see fit, approaching it from whatever angle you choose. Without any risk of having your viewpoint colored by all my sly words ;) and wikilawyering. I'll point out only that in a lot of places where I've been criticized, I was not allowed to defend, or my defense was actually reverted. Do not take therefore, an apparent silence on my part in the record, as an acquiescence to whatever was said about me.
The reason I block evade via IP, signing my username to each edit, is that I feel I've no other realistic avenue of appeal. In closing, this is just an heads-up. I will recontact you if Floquenbeam says "no can do." Colton Cosmic.
PS: I am also an Atari maniac. I think the 2600 has truly great games, in different genres, but the Ms. Pacman port always springs to my mind as a masterpiece. In the homebrew scene I like that puzzle game where you maneuver the yellow sports car past the block, I think it is called Jammmed.
...and the information he has posted (my name, the account I post with on WO) is correct. I do in fact post there as Mason. Here's the link, if you're curious. I have written two blog posts for the site, one in 2012 about the ineffectiveness of bans and the unseemliness of the "gravedancing" culture surrounding banned editors, and one in April 2013 about Wikidata.
I have also helped with other blog posts, and posted quite a bit to the forums. I don't think – at this point – I am speaking out of school to acknowledge that there is a private area where blog posts are discussed and vetted, and that I have been granted access to that area to help review them. Without getting into specifics, I have supported the publication of blog posts that I believe fairly criticize Wikipedia, and have opposed running ones that I believe are unfair criticism. I am, of course, only one voice, and sometimes my views on what's fair are shared by the other participants, sometimes not. Dan Murphy may not particularly care about my privacy, but I take the access I was granted seriously and have not (and will not) disclose specifics of what is discussed there.
The goals of some key members of Wikipediocracy are to destroy and discredit Wikipedia. I do not share those goals. The goals of other key members of Wikipediocracy are to get Wikipedia to improve by highlighting areas where Wikipedia is doing poorly. This is valuable information, and I think Wikipedia only benefits when we listen to what the critics say. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong. Sometimes they criticize fairly, sometimes not. Sometimes I have criticized unfairly, and I regret that.
I'll have some more to say all about this in the next couple of days. 28bytes ( talk) 03:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Since we are elected only because the community trust us and this fact, if disclosed, would have certainly have factored in their decision to support or oppose (which doesn't mean they would necessarily have opposed, but we'll never know now), I can only conclude that their decision to support (or oppose) was not an informed one. For that, as I've already said, I'm afraid 28bytes needs to resign. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:58, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
You title this section with the accusation "User:Dan Murphy has outed me...". Since you already identified yourself on-wiki when you belatedly owned up to undisclosed COI editing you had done in the past, and you did so on 21st December, I don't see that Murphy mentioning that identity on an external site on 29th December can be considered "outing". Equally, I don't see that linking one pseudonym with another pseudonym, when the person's real name has already been admitted on-wiki by themselves, is "outing" either. I have no idea whether Murphy cares or not, but you should perhaps reconsider the accusation of "outing". -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 13:37, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Some explanations and an apology are in order. As Salvio and others have noted, when User:Carrite asked me my opinion on Wikipediocracy, I said that I was "a regular reader", which is true, but which omits the fact that I had also been active as a poster and had written two blog posts. Why did I decline to share that piece of information? The first reason is that I wanted to be judged based solely on the work I had done on Wikipedia. And I was judged on that work, not what I have accomplished in my professional life, or in my non-Wikipedia hobbies, or on Wikipediocracy or any other website. Is it fair of me to expect that Wikipedians judge me solely on what I have contributed to this site? I certainly thought so at the time I offered my candidacy, but now I see it's not so clear.
The second reason I chose to decline to reveal my account on WO was simply that I felt that was private. When I signed up to comment on WO back in March 2012, I deliberately chose not to register as "a voice from Wikipedia." I wanted my comments there to be considered on their own merit, without being either dismissed or taken more seriously (ha!) because I was a Wikipedia administrator. It's been a bit of a release valve; I'm sometimes very cynical about things, but I have tried very hard (and largely succeeded) to restrain my cynicism here on Wikipedia, and I appreciated the chance to vent a bit off-site as "just some guy on the internet", without the privileges or responsibilities inherent in being an editor and administrator here. Did I use the protection of anonymity responsibly? I think, largely, I did, although there were a few cases where I was unnecessarily harsh to people, and I am sorry for that.
When Wikipedians consider whom to elect to the arbitration committee, do they have the right to know what accounts candidates have on other websites, be it Wikipediocracy, Wikpedia Review, Citizendium, Conservapedia, Democratic Underground, Reddit, Facebook, Flickr, or some "adult" site? Do they have the right to know what I think about, say, the Republican Party? Maybe. I don't know. I suppose this will become somewhat of a test case regarding how undisclosed offsite affiliations are considered.
I am not thrilled (to say the least) that my offsite affiliations have been disclosed against my will, but what's done is done. At least one arbitrator for whom I have great respect, User:Salvio giuliano, has asked for my resignation, so that's something I have to seriously consider doing. Other arbitrators whom I respect have – while being understandably upset by the revelations – encouraged me to accept my seat, or at least not rush to a decision. I'm genuinely not sure what to do here. But until this is resolved one way or another, it would be unfair of me to serve as though nothing has happened, so I will not participate in any committee business until and unless the community is still confident in my ability to do so. I'm not quite sure how to gauge that, but I will figure it out with the help of other editors. If even a sizable minority has lost confidence in me due to my offsite activities, I will not serve. I ran for ArbCom because I want to help Wikipedia, and having a divisive arbitrator does not further that goal. In the meantime I will not request access to the mailing list archives, and will not participate in any active cases.
I offer a sincere apology to all editors who I have disappointed. It's clear that some of you feel misled by my decision to keep the fact that I participate on Wikipediocracy private, and I understand, and I'm sorry. 28bytes ( talk) 14:11, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
You haven't been truthful with the Wikipedia community, and you will have no standing on the Arbitration Committee. Every case where you attempt to participate will degenerate into a firestorm of criticism against you, snyde remarks, and undermining of your authority. Please just resign now and save a lot of trouble. Writing an article about your own video game as recently as 2010 was not good. Misleading the Wikipedia community about your participation in Wikipediocracy was not good either. One error, I might overlook. Two is a pattern indicating that you can't be trusted with Checkuser, Oversight and ArbCom archives access. However, I'm okay with you retaining admin access, because I believe you have good intentions and have reformed. I'm not willing to take the risk with the higher ops. Jehochman Talk 15:27, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
@28bytes: Another option is to resign now, and then simply run again next year. This will resolve the current crisis and if you win, then you will have done so legitimately and with the community's support. A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 17:01, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
My reasoning is somewhat different than Ymblanter's, but I earlier also raised the possibility of RFAR, and I'm really thinking about it. It would certainly be one way for 28bytes to get more feedback about what course of action he should take, something he has indicated he would like to have. We can take a look at the degree to which 28bytes' answer to Carrite's question was or was not misleading the community. (Hint: I think not seriously so.)
But it also would go into something else. I just went back and looked at the archived discussion of the recent decision about Phil Sandifer. In particular, I looked at what members of the Committee said at that time. Considering what User:Dan Murphy did in his Wikipediocracy post, there are some differences from the Sandifer case, but I'm not convinced that they are all that substantive. If you read the WPO post, it would have been easy enough to prune it to read: "Apparently recently resoundingly elected Wikipedia Arbitration committee member "28bytes" is a guy who also happens to be a longstanding poster here called "Mason"...". (It actually reads "a guy named (name) who also happens to be".) All that is gained by having included the name is the Internet phenomenon of dancing up and down in pleasure at causing someone else discomfort. In the Sandifer case, there was a bit of "followed the bread crumbs" (I'm quoting Newyorkbrad there) to put together the outing, and in this case somewhat fewer crumbs needed to be followed. But I'm not concerned that it matters. We can see at WPO how Dan Murphy felt about being asked to redact it, and it's little different than Phil Sandifer's response at the time. In no way am I questioning Dan Murphy's right to write stuff at WPO, but I'd like to find out whether or not he is still welcome here at Wikipedia after what he did. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:22, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for the surreal revelation that the top vote-getter in the recent ArbCom election is also a WPO participant. Good on ya mate. Don't be bullied by a handful of anonymous whiners. Carrite ( talk) 17:35, 29 December 2013 (UTC) |
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Please allow 28bytes to reply. I don't need replies or explanations from 3rd parties. I'm open to a reasonable explanation if I have misunderstood the situation. Jehochman Talk 17:48, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
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Jehochman, I have explained above why I chose not to disclose my WO account in my reply to Carrite's general question about what candidates thought about the site. You may characterize that failure to disclose however you like; your views on this are clear and I'm not going to argue semantics with you. 28bytes ( talk) 18:38, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
I just saw the above.
Now I missed the elections, and apparently much of the current drama so far.
And for transparency, though I doubt you recall it, I seem to remember being in a discussion which you were a part of where I was disappointed with the speed in which you had done some unblocks in the past, and on those grounds had I been around for this election, while I wouldn't have opposed you (other work I've seen from you has been quality), I would likely have abstained rather than supported.
And I have no idea in the current situation what's true/not true, or if any fault is to be found or whether sanction of any kind (including peer pressure as I see above on your talk page) is appropriate. (And I'd like to think that whatever the situation, the support you received of a majority of Wikipedians in the election was an indication of their trust in your decision-making ability, so I'd like to have faith in my fellow Wikipedians and believe that whatever you do (or don't do) will be indicative of justifying that faith entrusted in you.)
And further, I am torn concerning the current discussions because on one hand I am a staunch believer in the potential good Wikipedia can be and do, and a lot of what I have read there (as one might see on any complaint/venting-style blog) has not been anywhere near of the positive sort for those who would be looking to enact positive change for the better. But on the other hand, I really don't like the idea or implications of " Have you now or ever been a member of Wikipediacracy".
But the past and might-have-beens and wonderings and so forth aside...
Having seen such things in the past, and having run for arbcom myself once, and knowing how accusations and such discussions can feel, I merely wanted to offer you my empathy. This cannot be "fun" or "enjoyable" by any stretch of the definition of the terms.
So I just wanted to say that "as a fellow Wikipedian" - I wish you well. - jc37 21:02, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
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An Arbitrator was Born, congratulations come with hopes ;) - I prepared a Christmas card but don't know if I can keep the design, the boy is in danger ;) - Peace, -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:26, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
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I voted for you, and would vote for you again now. -- SB_Johnny | talk✌ 23:15, 18 December 2013 (UTC) |
Hi 28bytes. In summary of the COIN thread here, you developed the video game Duck Attack! for the Atari 2600 video game console. [1] You have a COI with the Duck Attack! topic and need to limit edits to the Duck Attack! topic to those listed at WP:COIU. You lack a current WP:EXTERNALREL with the Digimarc and Bruce Davis (video game industry) topics, [2] so you do not have COI with either topic. Thanks for cross reporting at the Administrators' noticeboard. -- Jreferee ( talk) 03:56, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
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Hi 28bytes. I, Colton Cosmic, was blocked well more than a year ago, but I don't feel I ever got a fair shake, or that Wikipedia policies were observed in my case. This is a heads up that I'm going to ask you to review things, but I'm waiting to hear back from another person, Floquenbeam, that I've asked.
I followed the Arbcom elections but never looked at your statement until a few minutes ago. I'm not buttering you up, but you made good sense in almost all of that. I appreciated particularly your statement that actions should be backed up by stated reasons "you won't be left wondering why." Still, looking at your userpage though, and glancing at your recent contributions, I confess I don't quite understand why you would finish at the top of the pack in the election. Nothing objectionable, and no offense intended, but why you came out so particularly popular, I can't understand. I could understand an average finish there. I guess I need to research your contributions deeper to understand why you got all that support.
I've made personal appeals before, usually accompanied by my depiction of how I was wrongly handled. Perhaps it's best now to try not saying anything. If you agree you can examine my case as you see fit, approaching it from whatever angle you choose. Without any risk of having your viewpoint colored by all my sly words ;) and wikilawyering. I'll point out only that in a lot of places where I've been criticized, I was not allowed to defend, or my defense was actually reverted. Do not take therefore, an apparent silence on my part in the record, as an acquiescence to whatever was said about me.
The reason I block evade via IP, signing my username to each edit, is that I feel I've no other realistic avenue of appeal. In closing, this is just an heads-up. I will recontact you if Floquenbeam says "no can do." Colton Cosmic.
PS: I am also an Atari maniac. I think the 2600 has truly great games, in different genres, but the Ms. Pacman port always springs to my mind as a masterpiece. In the homebrew scene I like that puzzle game where you maneuver the yellow sports car past the block, I think it is called Jammmed.
...and the information he has posted (my name, the account I post with on WO) is correct. I do in fact post there as Mason. Here's the link, if you're curious. I have written two blog posts for the site, one in 2012 about the ineffectiveness of bans and the unseemliness of the "gravedancing" culture surrounding banned editors, and one in April 2013 about Wikidata.
I have also helped with other blog posts, and posted quite a bit to the forums. I don't think – at this point – I am speaking out of school to acknowledge that there is a private area where blog posts are discussed and vetted, and that I have been granted access to that area to help review them. Without getting into specifics, I have supported the publication of blog posts that I believe fairly criticize Wikipedia, and have opposed running ones that I believe are unfair criticism. I am, of course, only one voice, and sometimes my views on what's fair are shared by the other participants, sometimes not. Dan Murphy may not particularly care about my privacy, but I take the access I was granted seriously and have not (and will not) disclose specifics of what is discussed there.
The goals of some key members of Wikipediocracy are to destroy and discredit Wikipedia. I do not share those goals. The goals of other key members of Wikipediocracy are to get Wikipedia to improve by highlighting areas where Wikipedia is doing poorly. This is valuable information, and I think Wikipedia only benefits when we listen to what the critics say. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong. Sometimes they criticize fairly, sometimes not. Sometimes I have criticized unfairly, and I regret that.
I'll have some more to say all about this in the next couple of days. 28bytes ( talk) 03:49, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Since we are elected only because the community trust us and this fact, if disclosed, would have certainly have factored in their decision to support or oppose (which doesn't mean they would necessarily have opposed, but we'll never know now), I can only conclude that their decision to support (or oppose) was not an informed one. For that, as I've already said, I'm afraid 28bytes needs to resign. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:58, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
You title this section with the accusation "User:Dan Murphy has outed me...". Since you already identified yourself on-wiki when you belatedly owned up to undisclosed COI editing you had done in the past, and you did so on 21st December, I don't see that Murphy mentioning that identity on an external site on 29th December can be considered "outing". Equally, I don't see that linking one pseudonym with another pseudonym, when the person's real name has already been admitted on-wiki by themselves, is "outing" either. I have no idea whether Murphy cares or not, but you should perhaps reconsider the accusation of "outing". -- Demiurge1000 ( talk) 13:37, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
Some explanations and an apology are in order. As Salvio and others have noted, when User:Carrite asked me my opinion on Wikipediocracy, I said that I was "a regular reader", which is true, but which omits the fact that I had also been active as a poster and had written two blog posts. Why did I decline to share that piece of information? The first reason is that I wanted to be judged based solely on the work I had done on Wikipedia. And I was judged on that work, not what I have accomplished in my professional life, or in my non-Wikipedia hobbies, or on Wikipediocracy or any other website. Is it fair of me to expect that Wikipedians judge me solely on what I have contributed to this site? I certainly thought so at the time I offered my candidacy, but now I see it's not so clear.
The second reason I chose to decline to reveal my account on WO was simply that I felt that was private. When I signed up to comment on WO back in March 2012, I deliberately chose not to register as "a voice from Wikipedia." I wanted my comments there to be considered on their own merit, without being either dismissed or taken more seriously (ha!) because I was a Wikipedia administrator. It's been a bit of a release valve; I'm sometimes very cynical about things, but I have tried very hard (and largely succeeded) to restrain my cynicism here on Wikipedia, and I appreciated the chance to vent a bit off-site as "just some guy on the internet", without the privileges or responsibilities inherent in being an editor and administrator here. Did I use the protection of anonymity responsibly? I think, largely, I did, although there were a few cases where I was unnecessarily harsh to people, and I am sorry for that.
When Wikipedians consider whom to elect to the arbitration committee, do they have the right to know what accounts candidates have on other websites, be it Wikipediocracy, Wikpedia Review, Citizendium, Conservapedia, Democratic Underground, Reddit, Facebook, Flickr, or some "adult" site? Do they have the right to know what I think about, say, the Republican Party? Maybe. I don't know. I suppose this will become somewhat of a test case regarding how undisclosed offsite affiliations are considered.
I am not thrilled (to say the least) that my offsite affiliations have been disclosed against my will, but what's done is done. At least one arbitrator for whom I have great respect, User:Salvio giuliano, has asked for my resignation, so that's something I have to seriously consider doing. Other arbitrators whom I respect have – while being understandably upset by the revelations – encouraged me to accept my seat, or at least not rush to a decision. I'm genuinely not sure what to do here. But until this is resolved one way or another, it would be unfair of me to serve as though nothing has happened, so I will not participate in any committee business until and unless the community is still confident in my ability to do so. I'm not quite sure how to gauge that, but I will figure it out with the help of other editors. If even a sizable minority has lost confidence in me due to my offsite activities, I will not serve. I ran for ArbCom because I want to help Wikipedia, and having a divisive arbitrator does not further that goal. In the meantime I will not request access to the mailing list archives, and will not participate in any active cases.
I offer a sincere apology to all editors who I have disappointed. It's clear that some of you feel misled by my decision to keep the fact that I participate on Wikipediocracy private, and I understand, and I'm sorry. 28bytes ( talk) 14:11, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
You haven't been truthful with the Wikipedia community, and you will have no standing on the Arbitration Committee. Every case where you attempt to participate will degenerate into a firestorm of criticism against you, snyde remarks, and undermining of your authority. Please just resign now and save a lot of trouble. Writing an article about your own video game as recently as 2010 was not good. Misleading the Wikipedia community about your participation in Wikipediocracy was not good either. One error, I might overlook. Two is a pattern indicating that you can't be trusted with Checkuser, Oversight and ArbCom archives access. However, I'm okay with you retaining admin access, because I believe you have good intentions and have reformed. I'm not willing to take the risk with the higher ops. Jehochman Talk 15:27, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
@28bytes: Another option is to resign now, and then simply run again next year. This will resolve the current crisis and if you win, then you will have done so legitimately and with the community's support. A Quest For Knowledge ( talk) 17:01, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
My reasoning is somewhat different than Ymblanter's, but I earlier also raised the possibility of RFAR, and I'm really thinking about it. It would certainly be one way for 28bytes to get more feedback about what course of action he should take, something he has indicated he would like to have. We can take a look at the degree to which 28bytes' answer to Carrite's question was or was not misleading the community. (Hint: I think not seriously so.)
But it also would go into something else. I just went back and looked at the archived discussion of the recent decision about Phil Sandifer. In particular, I looked at what members of the Committee said at that time. Considering what User:Dan Murphy did in his Wikipediocracy post, there are some differences from the Sandifer case, but I'm not convinced that they are all that substantive. If you read the WPO post, it would have been easy enough to prune it to read: "Apparently recently resoundingly elected Wikipedia Arbitration committee member "28bytes" is a guy who also happens to be a longstanding poster here called "Mason"...". (It actually reads "a guy named (name) who also happens to be".) All that is gained by having included the name is the Internet phenomenon of dancing up and down in pleasure at causing someone else discomfort. In the Sandifer case, there was a bit of "followed the bread crumbs" (I'm quoting Newyorkbrad there) to put together the outing, and in this case somewhat fewer crumbs needed to be followed. But I'm not concerned that it matters. We can see at WPO how Dan Murphy felt about being asked to redact it, and it's little different than Phil Sandifer's response at the time. In no way am I questioning Dan Murphy's right to write stuff at WPO, but I'd like to find out whether or not he is still welcome here at Wikipedia after what he did. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 22:22, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
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Please allow 28bytes to reply. I don't need replies or explanations from 3rd parties. I'm open to a reasonable explanation if I have misunderstood the situation. Jehochman Talk 17:48, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
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Jehochman, I have explained above why I chose not to disclose my WO account in my reply to Carrite's general question about what candidates thought about the site. You may characterize that failure to disclose however you like; your views on this are clear and I'm not going to argue semantics with you. 28bytes ( talk) 18:38, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
I just saw the above.
Now I missed the elections, and apparently much of the current drama so far.
And for transparency, though I doubt you recall it, I seem to remember being in a discussion which you were a part of where I was disappointed with the speed in which you had done some unblocks in the past, and on those grounds had I been around for this election, while I wouldn't have opposed you (other work I've seen from you has been quality), I would likely have abstained rather than supported.
And I have no idea in the current situation what's true/not true, or if any fault is to be found or whether sanction of any kind (including peer pressure as I see above on your talk page) is appropriate. (And I'd like to think that whatever the situation, the support you received of a majority of Wikipedians in the election was an indication of their trust in your decision-making ability, so I'd like to have faith in my fellow Wikipedians and believe that whatever you do (or don't do) will be indicative of justifying that faith entrusted in you.)
And further, I am torn concerning the current discussions because on one hand I am a staunch believer in the potential good Wikipedia can be and do, and a lot of what I have read there (as one might see on any complaint/venting-style blog) has not been anywhere near of the positive sort for those who would be looking to enact positive change for the better. But on the other hand, I really don't like the idea or implications of " Have you now or ever been a member of Wikipediacracy".
But the past and might-have-beens and wonderings and so forth aside...
Having seen such things in the past, and having run for arbcom myself once, and knowing how accusations and such discussions can feel, I merely wanted to offer you my empathy. This cannot be "fun" or "enjoyable" by any stretch of the definition of the terms.
So I just wanted to say that "as a fellow Wikipedian" - I wish you well. - jc37 21:02, 29 December 2013 (UTC)