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Talk:Crimean Karaites# :Lithuanian Wikipedia as a base ? I hope that you do not mind, but I moved the section you added today. The reason for moving it is that there is already a section discussing the faults in the article, and I thought that your recent addition is naturally part of that discussion.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 20:56, 22 September 2012 (UTC) reply

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On Russian Wikipedia it is common to put citations before the punctuation mark.

On English Wikipedia, the approved style is to put citations after the punctuation mark. See WP:CITEFOOT.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 06:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC) reply

I am quite delighted with most of your most recent edits to the page, please do continue to bring in the references from the Russian article. There are a few questions which I have about some of your sources, e.g. the Sokhnut have told me unequivically that Karaimi-Karaylar are absolutely excluded from the Law of return unless they go through a full conversion to either Rabbinical or Karaite Judaism. I would be extremely interested in seeing the evidence for the statement you inserted into the article which is to the contrary. I do believe that you have granted too much credit the theories of Jewish academics on our origins and not enough credit to the opinions of native Karaimi-Karaylar authors, but nevertheless I am quite delighted to see your efforts. I look forward to your completed work which I will correct in syntax and spelling etc.. Alla razi bolsun. Kaz 15:17, 29 September 2012 (UTC) reply

According my personal sources many Karaim Karaylar are leaving in Israel, The most famous are Olga Prik, Avraham Kefeli(Alexey Golovachev) and some relatives of Shapshal family. No body asked to pass any conversion for immigration permission. I suppose that they may have some discrimination in Rabbinate(for marriage or funeral) like mixed families members or Ethiopian Jews. But the Law of Return is secular law that is not affected by Rabbinate and consider Karaylar as Jews. The only restriction is for persons that actively professing Chistianity(non-atheists). This restriction valid even for 100% born Jews considered by Rabbinate as Jews without relations of their current confession. So the misleading information is coming from Sokhnut or from native Karaimi-Karaylar author. Неполканов ( talk) 22:09, 29 September 2012 (UTC) reply

I appreciate that there are Karaimi-Karaylar who managed to get into Israel before Universal Karaite Judaism was established, and I met one there, but the law is not the same now. If you have a written source it would be extremely helpful to insert it into the article. But since Moshe Firrouz came to power, Karaimi-Karaylar are excluded. I have emails to confirm this is coming from him and Sokhnut at least. Kaz 23:04, 29 September 2012 (UTC) reply

I do not accept the statement that POV criticizing the Shapshal's heritage by inspection of earlier sources is Jewish. I do not see any reasons for Jewish Academics to distort Karaylar History, Such reasons may have Crimean Tatars but not Jews.

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If you allow me to email you with some evidence you will certainly be interested to see why there is an interest among (only some) "Jewish" groups to distort Karaylar History. I am interested to know what the Crimean Tatar agenda may be if you can also share that with me. Alla razi bolsun. Kaz 23:11, 29 September 2012 (UTC) Crimean Tatar in contradiction to Crimean Karayim were expelled by Stalin after WWII. Now after they permitted to go back there some conflicts regarding real statement and budgets for autohont nations.It is strange for me that you did not hear nothing about that. From the other side Jews have no any concern in Karaims property,and according to your interesting update even Sochnut cannot get any budgets for emigration propaganda between Karaylar, I will be glad to get also some source regarding Moshe Firrouz.that can be published also at russian page. Неполканов ( talk) 23:21, 29 September 2012 (UTC) Email me and I will send you what I have. But it will be original research which is why I can not mention it in the English wiki. Nothing can be put into the article about it either way without a public press release. If you find anything in writing please do let me know. Kaz 00:11, 30 September 2012 (UTC) reply

I have checked your information regarding the change in the Law of Return with Karaylar in Israel. The answer was strongly negative. He hear nothing about any change in this law. If you can approve that you really Karaim(but not only father of your grandfather) you are permitted to immigrate as every Jew. My source belongs to very known family from Crimea,so he sure belongs to "Karaylar"

So the conclusion is one of the following: 1) This is secret directive. 2) Sochnut make difference between Crimean Karaim and Lithuanian ones 3) Sochnut, doubts if you have Karaim grandfather 4) Gershon Kisprichi does have Karaim blood Неполканов ( talk) 20:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC) reply

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Неполканов please could you post the comment you made at Talk:Crimean Karaites#Chufut-Kale in the move discussion is at Talk:Juft Qale#Proposal to rename this article Chufut-Kale.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 05:35, 4 October 2012 (UTC) reply

Please could you take a look at edits made by a new editor at Chufut-Kale‎ and Talk:Chufut-Kale‎.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 21:52, 21 November 2013 (UTC)-- Toddy1 ( talk) 21:52, 21 November 2013 (UTC) reply

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I checked on other pages containing File:Gerae-tamga.png and found the following templates that, as far as I can see, have nothing to do with the Crimean Tatars. What should be done with them?

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It is Crimean Khanate Khans Giray dynasty symbol. Crimean Tatars that are descedents of Crimean Khanate use it as their national symbol . Modern Crimean Karaites have an other symbol (see Russian page). There is theory about Girays Kerait origin. But no one of pages about Qaraei, Keraits or Kabar use this symbol. So at least * Template:User Qaraei looks like Kaz's very original POV , obsessively connecting Karaim with Keraits that can be seen also due to "Wikipedian Karaylar" title below the image. Неполканов ( talk) 23:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC) reply

According the Templates history -it is definitely Kaz's work. So both of them can be removed. Неполканов ( talk) 23:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC) reply

I have taken your advice and proposed them for deletion.-- Toddy1 ( talk) 23:54, 3 December 2012 (UTC) reply

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There is a discussion at Talk:Keraites about your redirect. Please could you contribute.-- Toddy1 (talk) 20:04, 20 January 2016 (UTC) reply

I understand I am required to post this here to invite you to join in a dispute resolution discussion Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Karait. Best regards. YuHuw ( talk) 08:37, 27 January 2016 (UTC) reply

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Hi Nepolkanov, You wrote this on my wall User_talk:YuHuw#Nepolkanov.27s_complaint:

"To my opinion Karaims translation in English is really misleading. I would prefer Karaims.It was decided this word after long discussion an search by google. Other Wikipedia pages direct to the Crimean Karaites page, including Russian page were this issue is discussed but this user is not only asks sources .It removes all Concensus translations from this page."

Could you explain what it is you mean you want please? YuHuw ( talk) 11:08, 29 January 2016 (UTC) reply

With regards to the text quoted above it still remains unclear. What is it that you prefer? YuHuw ( talk) 11:22, 29 January 2016 (UTC) reply

You know in contradiction of you I am not native British speaker, and in Contradiction of you I am considering the opinion otf the others.Karaims -it is disambig of Ethnicity and Religion.While Crimeam Karaites is Ethnicity only but misleads some novices and some authists because Karaims(Crimean Karaites in English) are leaving not are leaving not In Crimea.So Lithuanian Karaim is sounds like Lithuanian Crimean Karaite -really misleading,English speakers have decided that Ethnicity in Ennglidh is Crimean Karaites and I accept this while you never will be able todo that, Неполканов ( talk) 20:23, 4 February 2016 (UTC) reply

what are "authists" ? YuHuw ( talk) 21:04, 4 February 2016 (UTC) reply

When you wrote on my talk page in January, you expressed the concern that Kaz was using "multiply anonimious clones vandalizing the Karait page". (See User talk:Toddy1#New round.) I have started a sock-puppet investigation report on YuHuw at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kaz. Please could you add to that report explaining why you thought that it was Kaz who was Kaz was using "multiply anonimious clones".-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:45, 7 February 2016 (UTC) reply

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. You appear to be engaged in an edit war with one or more editors according to your reverts at Karaimism. Although repeatedly reverting or undoing another editor's contributions may seem necessary to protect your preferred version of a page, on Wikipedia this is usually seen as obstructing the normal editing process, and often creates animosity between editors. Instead of edit warring, please discuss the situation with the editor(s) involved and try to reach a consensus on the talk page.

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Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Qaraimits-- Toddy1 (talk) 08:07, 31 March 2016 (UTC) reply

I have done a quick merge to the article on Subbotniks. Please could you make improvements. I suggest that you avoid YuHuw's made-up word.-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:52, 4 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Please could you provide a citation for "considering themselves as adherents of Karaite Judaism."-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:25, 13 May 2016 (UTC) reply

There several sources about Subbotnik attempts to connect with Karaite Jews(Crimean Karaites). For example here Subbotnik Karaites claim that they have religion very similiar to Karaite Judaism

"...Во всяком случае, в 1870-х гг. субботники Царевского уезда Астраханской губернии сообщили заезжему православному миссионеру о своей попытке встретиться с караимами и заимствовать их обряды: «Нам желательно сблизиться с караимами: мы близки к ним по своим обрядам;. Недавно мы посылали своих в Керчь к караимам узнать про их порядки в вере и молениях и просили их написать для нас свои правила веры. Но караимы не могли исполнить нашей просьбы: они не знают хорошо нашего языка, а наши послы не знают еврейского»34. Очевидно, что этим субботникам о существовании караимов было известно прежде, чем они попытались с ними встретиться - и узнали о караимах они, скорее всего, от евреев.

Трудности общения субботников с караимами оказались преодолимыми. В 1893 г. астраханские миссионеры обнаружили, что «Пришибинские субботники-караимы приобрели перевод с еврейского текста на русский язык книги "Порядок молитв для караимов" и отпечатали в Царицынской типографии. Отпечатание молитвенников придало смелость субботникам говорить, что вера их одобрена Правительством. По сношении с Московским Цензурным комитетом оказалось, что перевод молитвенника дозволен был к напечатанию в Москве 18-го апреля 1882 г.»35. Это, насколько нам известно, самый ранний перевод караимского молитвенника на русский язык. Двуязычный «Глас Иакова», до сих пор являющийся основным молитвенником у субботников, был издан в Вильно в начале XX в..." Неполканов ( talk) 10:58, 13 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Similiar content also may be found in several articles n Crimean Karaites magazine "Karaimskaja Zhizn": for example her Subbotniks appeal to Karaite Haham Panpulov,calling their pray house like Crimean Karaites and ask to send to them Karaite Judaism representative:

"...Мы, жители станицы Михайловской Кубанской области, по происхождению казаки, а исповедующие караимскую веру во всей ея чистоте и придерживаемся исключительно заповедей Пророка нашего Моисея, указанных в святой Торе, ныне милостями нашего Великого Монарха получили разрешение свободно исполнять обряды своей религии, также получили разрешение на постройку в нашей станице Молитвенного дома (Кенаса), каковую постройку мы заканчиваем и 4 сентября сего года думаем освятить во имя нашего Бога Егова.... (дальше казаки просят прислать караимское духовное лицо для освящения кенасы, Панпулов в просьбе казакам отказал..."

Неполканов ( talk) 10:58, 13 May 2016 (UTC) reply

Similar to Karaite Judaism is not Karaite Judaism. Lack of circumcision is a clear sign of that. 87.69.184.128 ( talk) 11:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC

I already explained one time or more that some Jews also are not practisizing circumcision.But they still define themselves as Jews. See the article So your assumption is clearly wrong.According the last RS Subotniks named their pray house by Crimean Karaite (Karaite Jews) name Kenassa and they asked Karaite Jews Hacham S. Panpulov to send his representative to open it. So they definitely define themselves as adherents of the same faith as Crimean Karaites in spite of some differences in the customs, while Karaite Jews does not consider Subbotniks as Karaite Jews Неполканов ( talk) 11:30, 14 May 2016 (UTC) reply

You are highly unprofessional for trying to get personal as your only way to deal with content issues. I have raise that unprofessional conduct here. 87.69.184.128 ( talk) 16:24, 14 May 2016 (UTC) reply

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Hi, it has been suggested to call people involved in the Karaimit-Subbotniks subject to review the use of the word Karaimits which I see you explained here [2]. I have found that you were the one who introduced the English word from the Russian Karaimiti. A couple of us are concerned that the subject of Crimean Karaites and of Karaimite Subbotniks should not be confused. Could you take a look please? 188.29.16Etc.BlahBlahBlah ( talk) 08:11, 21 February 2018 (UTC) reply

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The article on the Karaim language has a reference to "IICK 2007". If you know what is meant by this, please could you edit the article to spell out what is meant.

In my opinion, it would be much better to have a citation to something obtainable such as a book that people could order from a bookseller or to a web-page. Toddy1 (talk) 21:22, 1 November 2019 (UTC) reply

It looks like the intention is to International Institute of Crimean Karaites. As I remember its was private organization established by Crimean Karaite from USA Valentin Kefeli . Lately the site( http://karaim-institute.narod.ru/index.htm) was owned by Kazimir Hubert ,that vandalized it. Today the site is not available at least for me . Anyway the reability of this private source is problematic. Неполканов ( talk) 21:24, 4 November 2019 (UTC) reply

Thanks. I have found the URL in two web-archives:

• archive.ph - for example 25 December 2012
• web.archive.org - for example 12 March 2007

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