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Hi, I noticed your talk page was blank at the moment, and couldn't help introducing myself. :-) I too am a Trekkie/Trekker (so which do you prefer?). Have you ever tried simming? I'm part of a great RPG site you should check out, Section 47. Well, have fun administrating! =/\= Tiro de Aethra 17:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
It wasn't an expierement, Patrick Fitzstephens is a noteable internet comedian. You've never heard of him? Tsk Tsk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vozz ( talk • contribs)
Hello once again! I've noticed that you take interest in superstitions, although it is a dispute, I was wondering what are your views on the Kabbalah Sephiroth were? Big Boss Ocelot 04:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah I see my friend, I was under the assumption you may know a thing or two, but not everyone can know everything! Big Boss Ocelot 04:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Tell me however, where do you find all those neat smybolisms for your page? =)
And I was wondering where the option is to edit a neat signiture such as yours, Nice html btw.
Big Boss Ocelot
04:35, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah, thank you my friend! Yes that is what I meant, user boxes lol. I'm still pretty much new to this but I will get the hang of it sooner or later. Still used to coding in html with <a href's and <style type's such as text/css. But I like this new type of html, thanks again!
Big Boss Ocelot
04:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I made this page as Solart, but then there was some confusion about case sensitivity. I typed SolArt and it wasnt there. I thought someone deleted it so I made it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asfandyar ( talk • contribs)
Which organisation is the correct one? The variation on the name is confusing for researchers and there are no claims as to the notability of the organisation. Please remove the inappropriately-named article by tagging {{db-author}} and improve the remainder to show its notable status, if any. (aeropagitica) (talk) 18:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the incorrectly-named page, so you can now concentrate on the correct version. Regards, (aeropagitica) (talk) 18:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thank you
Bloger
Dear aeropagitica as you can see I am new here and I need help puting this article together can you be any help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloger ( talk • contribs)
It's frustrating that you're an atheist (as you seem like too bright a person to believe in something that is self-contradictory), but thanks for taking care of my messed up "links." Much appreciated!! :-) have an excellent day. -- Teenwriter 12:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=The+Juggernaut+Bitch
this link shows the article having been deleted because of this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Juggernaut_Bitch) vote. However, the consensus, as you affurmed, was keep.
Why is the article deleted? Brokenfrog 00:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, (aeropagitica)/Archive 4! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Eagle talk 19:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Did you change your name where???
please explain. I can tell you right now what your problem is. the program does not like those "()"'s. I know how to work this around, but I need to know what you changed. Eagle talk 20:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok thank you
Ok, the problem is this. Only vandal proof mods can make changes that the program will recognize. First off that page is not the page that the program checks off of, but I am going to revert your edit anyway. Please give me 5 minutes to set things right. Then I will tell you what to do next. Sorry for the delay:-(. Eagle talk 20:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, The %28 and %29 are html representations of the "(" and ")". In other words your computer reads "()"'s as "%28#29". That is the reason your name looks like that. I am not going to change it right away. Lets try something first:-).
Tell me if you can log in. Eagle talk 20:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, one more try
Ok, I have one more idea, if this does not work, failing other ideas, we are going to have to list this as a bug in the software:-(.
AHAAA!!!!:-(
Ok, I have notified 5 other mods (there are 11 total) that are on now, or will be comming on soon. It is out of my hands now. Please try agian, using your normal username agian every hour or so. If someone notifies me, or I see the change I will post here to tell you the good news!!! Eagle talk 20:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Try now, a mod just null edited for me. Eagle talk 20:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, so you have successfully logged in?? Eagle talk 21:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
yes, turn IE's cookies on. and your problem is fixed. Eagle talk 21:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I am assuming that you know how to do this, as you followed our conclusions very well, if you don't feel free to ask!! Eagle talk 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Very good!!, now make sure that it works on VP... and, you are welcome!!.
You're the first admin on the list, so I'll ask you about this. User:Roulette36 has a user page that is racist and offensive. It consists of a single sentence: "Mexicans are dirty." I have advised him that this does not conform to wikipedia policy. If he does not change it, or changes it back, can you please block him or advise me of who I should ask for further action. Thanks. -- Tjss 00:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
The Hero of Time has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{ subst:smile}}, {{ subst:smile2}} or {{ subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!
One of our competitors is now trying to erase us from Wiki pages which I contribute to for admittedly business-related purposes, but also to balance the information here. I have worked hard to make sure that even our competition is fairly represented and tried to clean up the entire article not just the 3 paragraphs where I try to encapsulate our new technology. As you may or may not remember you made some redirections, which I didn't complain about, as that makes sense. Claiming we are unfairly advertising because we are pointing out advantages in better technology is a fine line I'd appreciate assistance in navigating.
The fact they only edited anonymously two of the pages I work on gives me some sense of who they are, but I'd like to avoid the whole battle if possible. Please let me know your thoughts. Tmcsheery 16:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Update: After I reverted the article http://en.wikipedia.org./wiki/Motion_capture the same anonymous location added more derogotory verbage which I actually don't care about and then added more promotional materials for their product, (making it pretty clear who it is) which I also don't care about, just as long as they don't delete us entirely. On the other I'll get rid of the speculative side. I put in the disclosure so I don't have a problem with putting down our technology. Tmcsheery 23:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thanks for your help!! Pastorwayne 17:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Why not just speedy delete the thing? :) Dlohcierekim 19:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Darren@nocuffs has created several articles which, given that he's a criminal defense lawyer, specializing in DUI and drug cases and that all of them end with "If you or a loved one was arrested for DUI, please contact a skilled defense lawyer immediately", reeks of advertising. As far as I can tell it isn't copyvio, though. I saw that you removed one as original research. -- Jamoche 19:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
....since you seemed interested in the subject in that AfD yesterday, you might want to check out carnography instead, which is the actual name for the phenomenon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DragonflySixtyseven ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you, (aeropagitica), for voting in my RFA. It closed with a final result of 75/1/0. Now that I am an administrator here, I will continue to improve this encyclopedia, using my new tools to revert vandalism, block persistent vandals, protect pages that have been vandalized intensively, and close AFD discussions. Any questions? Please contact me by adding a new section on my talk page. Again, thanks to all of you who participated!!! -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC) |
After a lenghty, but much-needed Wikibreak, I'm happy to announce that version 1.2 of VandalProof is now available for download! Beyond fixing some of the most obnoxious bugs, like the persistent crash on start-up that many have experienced, version 1.2 also offers a wide variety of new features, including a stub-sorter, a global user whitelist and blacklist, navigational controls, and greater customization. You can find a full list of the new features here. While I believe this release to be a significant improvement over the last, it's nonetheless nowhere near the end of the line for VandalProof. Thanks to Rob Church, I now have an account on test.wikipedia.org with SysOp rights and have already been hard at work incorporating administrative tools into VandalProof, which I plan to make available in the near future. An example of one such SysOp tool that I'm working on incorporating is my simple history merge tool, which simplifies the process of performing history merges from one article into another. Anyway, if you haven't already, I'd encourage you to download and install version 1.2 and take it out for a test-drive. As always, your suggestions for improvement are always appreciated, and I hope that you will find this new version useful. Happy editing! -- AmiDaniel ( talk) 02:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. The article was a non-notable biography according to the criteria set out in WP:BIO. The information should be in the User space and not the article space. (aeropagitica) (talk) 11:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
The article was in the main article space rather than in the User space, so I transferred the data to the appropriate space, your userpage. (aeropagitica) (talk) 15:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Your user Talk page is restored, as requested in your last message. Your previous communications haven't requested this, referring to the user page that was created in the main article space, so lack of understanding shouldn't be construed. (aeropagitica) (talk) 21:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I'M REALLY SORRY . i'm a new user and did't know. I will stop. I AM VERY SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Capgun 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. I thought you might want to take a look again at this AfD discussion and see if your view on the matter has changed. Regards, -- BillC 22:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
You speedy deleted Chop-chop before I'd even had a chance to reload the page after creating it! I want it to redirect to Chop Chop, which is a new disambiguation page that I created. - Richardcavell 23:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I noticed you added the afd to the page I just spun off from Ethanol fuel. I am quite surprised why you did that, especially since I am still working on it. Perhaps it was an automated procedure, but the page is hardly a personal essay. It just hasn't been wikified into a full article of its own. This was properly noted in the comments.
If it were an automated action, perhaps you would like to look into your code. If it were a conscious action, perhaps you would like to look around before jumping to conclusions. -- Rifleman 82 23:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
your deletion was flagrantly arbitrary. did you even watch the documentary, or perform a google? the wiki:bio guide is far from the gospel truth, and even if i did adhere to it, the article could have stood. Chensiyuan 15:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
20 seconds is what you took for you to delete an article without blinking. i have been waiting for more than 5 minutes for a reply. this does not look right. Chensiyuan 15:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
My motivation is not egotistical, it was merely an answer to the above question posed in WP:BIO. I agree that to expect a full biography in one terminal session is an unrealistic objective. That is why Sandboxes exist or are created, in order to preserve articles-in-progress from deletion until they are released. Your twenty-second comment above did not demonstrate my arbitrary or mercenary behaviour, rather it is indicative of the time required to read the article-as-presented. (aeropagitica) (talk) 15:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. This information is already present in Glass#Behaviour_of_antique_glass. Please research your topic before creating a new article. You may find that another editor has already had the same idea, saving you time and effort. (aeropagitica) (talk) 23:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Look - can I have my article back and some sort of protection against this happening again. Pursuant to a suggestion made by a user on the Talk:Glass page that the section on 'glass as a liquid' was getting too long and should be spun off as a seperate article (on the Summary Style principle) I was trying to move that information into a seperate article. Otherwise - enlighten me on an appropriate procedure for going about doing what I was trying to achieve before it was all deleted. -- Danward 15:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Hi, I noticed your talk page was blank at the moment, and couldn't help introducing myself. :-) I too am a Trekkie/Trekker (so which do you prefer?). Have you ever tried simming? I'm part of a great RPG site you should check out, Section 47. Well, have fun administrating! =/\= Tiro de Aethra 17:27, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
It wasn't an expierement, Patrick Fitzstephens is a noteable internet comedian. You've never heard of him? Tsk Tsk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vozz ( talk • contribs)
Hello once again! I've noticed that you take interest in superstitions, although it is a dispute, I was wondering what are your views on the Kabbalah Sephiroth were? Big Boss Ocelot 04:26, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah I see my friend, I was under the assumption you may know a thing or two, but not everyone can know everything! Big Boss Ocelot 04:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Tell me however, where do you find all those neat smybolisms for your page? =)
And I was wondering where the option is to edit a neat signiture such as yours, Nice html btw.
Big Boss Ocelot
04:35, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah, thank you my friend! Yes that is what I meant, user boxes lol. I'm still pretty much new to this but I will get the hang of it sooner or later. Still used to coding in html with <a href's and <style type's such as text/css. But I like this new type of html, thanks again!
Big Boss Ocelot
04:46, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I made this page as Solart, but then there was some confusion about case sensitivity. I typed SolArt and it wasnt there. I thought someone deleted it so I made it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asfandyar ( talk • contribs)
Which organisation is the correct one? The variation on the name is confusing for researchers and there are no claims as to the notability of the organisation. Please remove the inappropriately-named article by tagging {{db-author}} and improve the remainder to show its notable status, if any. (aeropagitica) (talk) 18:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the incorrectly-named page, so you can now concentrate on the correct version. Regards, (aeropagitica) (talk) 18:24, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
thank you
Bloger
Dear aeropagitica as you can see I am new here and I need help puting this article together can you be any help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloger ( talk • contribs)
It's frustrating that you're an atheist (as you seem like too bright a person to believe in something that is self-contradictory), but thanks for taking care of my messed up "links." Much appreciated!! :-) have an excellent day. -- Teenwriter 12:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=The+Juggernaut+Bitch
this link shows the article having been deleted because of this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Juggernaut_Bitch) vote. However, the consensus, as you affurmed, was keep.
Why is the article deleted? Brokenfrog 00:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, (aeropagitica)/Archive 4! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Eagle talk 19:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Did you change your name where???
please explain. I can tell you right now what your problem is. the program does not like those "()"'s. I know how to work this around, but I need to know what you changed. Eagle talk 20:05, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok thank you
Ok, the problem is this. Only vandal proof mods can make changes that the program will recognize. First off that page is not the page that the program checks off of, but I am going to revert your edit anyway. Please give me 5 minutes to set things right. Then I will tell you what to do next. Sorry for the delay:-(. Eagle talk 20:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, The %28 and %29 are html representations of the "(" and ")". In other words your computer reads "()"'s as "%28#29". That is the reason your name looks like that. I am not going to change it right away. Lets try something first:-).
Tell me if you can log in. Eagle talk 20:23, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, one more try
Ok, I have one more idea, if this does not work, failing other ideas, we are going to have to list this as a bug in the software:-(.
AHAAA!!!!:-(
Ok, I have notified 5 other mods (there are 11 total) that are on now, or will be comming on soon. It is out of my hands now. Please try agian, using your normal username agian every hour or so. If someone notifies me, or I see the change I will post here to tell you the good news!!! Eagle talk 20:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Try now, a mod just null edited for me. Eagle talk 20:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, so you have successfully logged in?? Eagle talk 21:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
yes, turn IE's cookies on. and your problem is fixed. Eagle talk 21:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I am assuming that you know how to do this, as you followed our conclusions very well, if you don't feel free to ask!! Eagle talk 21:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Very good!!, now make sure that it works on VP... and, you are welcome!!.
You're the first admin on the list, so I'll ask you about this. User:Roulette36 has a user page that is racist and offensive. It consists of a single sentence: "Mexicans are dirty." I have advised him that this does not conform to wikipedia policy. If he does not change it, or changes it back, can you please block him or advise me of who I should ask for further action. Thanks. -- Tjss 00:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
The Hero of Time has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{ subst:smile}}, {{ subst:smile2}} or {{ subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!
One of our competitors is now trying to erase us from Wiki pages which I contribute to for admittedly business-related purposes, but also to balance the information here. I have worked hard to make sure that even our competition is fairly represented and tried to clean up the entire article not just the 3 paragraphs where I try to encapsulate our new technology. As you may or may not remember you made some redirections, which I didn't complain about, as that makes sense. Claiming we are unfairly advertising because we are pointing out advantages in better technology is a fine line I'd appreciate assistance in navigating.
The fact they only edited anonymously two of the pages I work on gives me some sense of who they are, but I'd like to avoid the whole battle if possible. Please let me know your thoughts. Tmcsheery 16:26, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Update: After I reverted the article http://en.wikipedia.org./wiki/Motion_capture the same anonymous location added more derogotory verbage which I actually don't care about and then added more promotional materials for their product, (making it pretty clear who it is) which I also don't care about, just as long as they don't delete us entirely. On the other I'll get rid of the speculative side. I put in the disclosure so I don't have a problem with putting down our technology. Tmcsheery 23:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
thanks for your help!! Pastorwayne 17:29, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Why not just speedy delete the thing? :) Dlohcierekim 19:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Darren@nocuffs has created several articles which, given that he's a criminal defense lawyer, specializing in DUI and drug cases and that all of them end with "If you or a loved one was arrested for DUI, please contact a skilled defense lawyer immediately", reeks of advertising. As far as I can tell it isn't copyvio, though. I saw that you removed one as original research. -- Jamoche 19:29, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
....since you seemed interested in the subject in that AfD yesterday, you might want to check out carnography instead, which is the actual name for the phenomenon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DragonflySixtyseven ( talk • contribs) 03:23, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you, (aeropagitica), for voting in my RFA. It closed with a final result of 75/1/0. Now that I am an administrator here, I will continue to improve this encyclopedia, using my new tools to revert vandalism, block persistent vandals, protect pages that have been vandalized intensively, and close AFD discussions. Any questions? Please contact me by adding a new section on my talk page. Again, thanks to all of you who participated!!! -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 23:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC) |
After a lenghty, but much-needed Wikibreak, I'm happy to announce that version 1.2 of VandalProof is now available for download! Beyond fixing some of the most obnoxious bugs, like the persistent crash on start-up that many have experienced, version 1.2 also offers a wide variety of new features, including a stub-sorter, a global user whitelist and blacklist, navigational controls, and greater customization. You can find a full list of the new features here. While I believe this release to be a significant improvement over the last, it's nonetheless nowhere near the end of the line for VandalProof. Thanks to Rob Church, I now have an account on test.wikipedia.org with SysOp rights and have already been hard at work incorporating administrative tools into VandalProof, which I plan to make available in the near future. An example of one such SysOp tool that I'm working on incorporating is my simple history merge tool, which simplifies the process of performing history merges from one article into another. Anyway, if you haven't already, I'd encourage you to download and install version 1.2 and take it out for a test-drive. As always, your suggestions for improvement are always appreciated, and I hope that you will find this new version useful. Happy editing! -- AmiDaniel ( talk) 02:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. The article was a non-notable biography according to the criteria set out in WP:BIO. The information should be in the User space and not the article space. (aeropagitica) (talk) 11:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
The article was in the main article space rather than in the User space, so I transferred the data to the appropriate space, your userpage. (aeropagitica) (talk) 15:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Your user Talk page is restored, as requested in your last message. Your previous communications haven't requested this, referring to the user page that was created in the main article space, so lack of understanding shouldn't be construed. (aeropagitica) (talk) 21:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I'M REALLY SORRY . i'm a new user and did't know. I will stop. I AM VERY SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- Capgun 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. I thought you might want to take a look again at this AfD discussion and see if your view on the matter has changed. Regards, -- BillC 22:06, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
You speedy deleted Chop-chop before I'd even had a chance to reload the page after creating it! I want it to redirect to Chop Chop, which is a new disambiguation page that I created. - Richardcavell 23:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
I noticed you added the afd to the page I just spun off from Ethanol fuel. I am quite surprised why you did that, especially since I am still working on it. Perhaps it was an automated procedure, but the page is hardly a personal essay. It just hasn't been wikified into a full article of its own. This was properly noted in the comments.
If it were an automated action, perhaps you would like to look into your code. If it were a conscious action, perhaps you would like to look around before jumping to conclusions. -- Rifleman 82 23:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
your deletion was flagrantly arbitrary. did you even watch the documentary, or perform a google? the wiki:bio guide is far from the gospel truth, and even if i did adhere to it, the article could have stood. Chensiyuan 15:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
20 seconds is what you took for you to delete an article without blinking. i have been waiting for more than 5 minutes for a reply. this does not look right. Chensiyuan 15:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
My motivation is not egotistical, it was merely an answer to the above question posed in WP:BIO. I agree that to expect a full biography in one terminal session is an unrealistic objective. That is why Sandboxes exist or are created, in order to preserve articles-in-progress from deletion until they are released. Your twenty-second comment above did not demonstrate my arbitrary or mercenary behaviour, rather it is indicative of the time required to read the article-as-presented. (aeropagitica) (talk) 15:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. This information is already present in Glass#Behaviour_of_antique_glass. Please research your topic before creating a new article. You may find that another editor has already had the same idea, saving you time and effort. (aeropagitica) (talk) 23:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Look - can I have my article back and some sort of protection against this happening again. Pursuant to a suggestion made by a user on the Talk:Glass page that the section on 'glass as a liquid' was getting too long and should be spun off as a seperate article (on the Summary Style principle) I was trying to move that information into a seperate article. Otherwise - enlighten me on an appropriate procedure for going about doing what I was trying to achieve before it was all deleted. -- Danward 15:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)