Hi. On my talk page, try to only ever edit your own comments. Never delete a comment just because it appears rude to me. I prefer to read everything. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 02:17, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Your first day editing and you choose to read people's minds and assign their actions motives without any prior communication? We'd really like your help with the articles; I'm thinking that would be more constructive than stirring up controversy. Tide rolls 15:39, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Can you please stop? Your comments aren't constructive, and are just getting in the way of discussing the real issue. You're not helping things. Sergecross73 msg me 01:41, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Interesting discussion, although shame we had to stop otherwise the admin would have probably blocked us. Am sure Luke doesn't mind. He'd be excited to see the messages. Probably. :)
147.143.95.28 ( talk) 18:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC) @ 147.143.95.28: Thanks! PS: your :) did not display properly heh. Also I wonder if my {{ping|147.143.95.28}} worked or not... Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 20:08, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Fixed! And nope, the ping back didn't work.
ty lol Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 20:43, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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Okay, you've been editing for almost a week now. I don't see a single edit to an article. Virtually ever edit is meddling in other people's affairs. What exactly is your purpose here? Im starting to get a vibe here... Care to prove me wrong? Sergecross73 msg me 23:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 23:19, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I'd be interested to see that policy too. Care to show me that too please? Seems like many of the Wiki policies are exceptionally subjective. Have to wonder why many people prefer to edit behind an IP rather than sign up for an account.
87.114.181.58 (
talk)
00:16, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Anyways, sorry for being too sarcastic when I said "I wouldn't mind you showing it here." I shouldn't say that in the future. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 00:41, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I notice you haven't yet edited in the mainspaceyet. I thought you might be interested in starting one of these articles:
Please let me know if you need any help. Anna F remote ( talk) 01:19, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the suggestion! But sorry it turns out I'm not the person who prefers working this way. Ty for offering help. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 02:17, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, sorry ppl, I changed that. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 02:29, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Please do not
delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at
User talk:MirrorFreak. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be
vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the
sandbox. Thank you.
Theroadislong (
talk)
19:09, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@ Lukejordan02:, I'm very very sorry about bothering you again, but remember you deleted the off topic section on your talk page? The first few comments in that deleted section looked like spam, so you probably didn't want to read the rest of it.
But I did say something I thought will help you argue about your frustrations from the ban: here I talked about how reasonable people would say "oh dear, we're terribly sorry, this has been a mistake, this time we didn't go through proper processes and turned out to be wrong." And how instead the message was "humph. Looks like you win and we lost. Well, let us remind you that we don't consider you an angel. Anyways, be good, Lukejordan02, be good."
I find it strange Anna et al. would call you a net negative on Wikipedia and talk so harshly to you. Why didn't they say that to me?
I find it awful to falsely accuse someone of something, not ever apologize, and talk so condescendingly. It's like I play golf and break your window, but instead of apologizing, me and my golf buddies say "hey, there's a golf course here, and you knew that when you bought your house, so stop complaining, it's wasting our time." Worse yet is how they threaten you with another ban for meatpuppetry. Even they really have an issue with that, they shouldn't bring it up in your complaint because it's off topic. And I feel they wouldn't mention it if you didn't complain to Sergecross, so it's like they're retaliating against your concerns. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 00:18, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I am starting to think that WP:NOTHERE applies to you. So far, you seem to be here only to discuss the conduct of the editors. You are drawing lots of eyes, keystrokes, and time away from building the encyclopedia. So, I must ask: Are you here to build the encyclopedia? Do you intend on actually editing the mainspace? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 00:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
This is a new one for me. Directly above, you declare that you are an editor who basically says that he does not intend on editing the mainspace, but instead will engage with others and be a net positive.
I cannot act unilaterally on this one. The community must decide.
Community: Is it alright for Nerdy Community Dude to be part of this community without editing the mainspace? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 02:21, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I used to imagine Wikipedia to be a place where everyone can come and just whatevar, you know, as long as they don't break the rules or disrupt the processes.
I never thought so many people would find me some how, clicking that little talk button on my signature and discuss my habits. I never knew people at Wikipedia would measure how much of each job a user does, and decide if that's the right way to play at Wikipedia.
I'm here to try improving Wikipedia with my input. This is my position and I'll stand by it until they make a clear rule that I cannot do this. If that happens I may change my approach, or try my luck contributing to a site elsewhere, outside of Wikipedia List of Internet encyclopedias. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 02:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
You have been blocked from editing. In your time here, all you have done is [ follow the blocklog and make unconstructive comments on the talk pages of people who had been recently blocked. Your comments have not ever aided discussion, and quite the opposite, oftentimes got in the way of discussion. You recommend people leave the project. Complain about Admin. I don't see how you can see this as constructive and literally all you've done is make comments like this, or try to defend them, the entire time. It's all been unsolicited advice, much of it, not constructive. You've been offered to contribute to discussions at other venues, and you have declined. You've been asked to work on actually building an encyclopedia, and editing articles, and you have declined. It seems like you more or less want to complain about Wikipedia, or "right great wrongs" about how things are run here, but you refuse to at in a constructive manner about it. So you are now blocked from editing.
I will unblock you if you commit to discussion at the recommended venues. ( WP:RFC, WP:VILLAGEPUMP, etc) or if you decide you want to actually write in articles. But you'll be blocked again if you return merely following the block log and complaining about the website. When that's all you do, it's disruptive and it shows that you're not here to build an encyclopedia. Sergecross73 msg me 03:00, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Nerdy Community Dude ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Sergecross, I always understood you thought my comments were unconstructive. You told me so very clearly, I asked why, and you gave your good reasons (even though we disagreed).
I always known there was conflict between us, and I wish there hadn't been, but I thought you would bring it up at some forum rather than directly ban me, as we are both involved in the many discussions where you judge my comments to be unconstructive. Of course, it would be infeasible to raise every editor to a conflict resolution forum before banning, but I think my case is especial. I certainly don't fault you for thinking otherwise that my case doesn't warrant those steps, and I'd likely make the same decision if I were you. Still I disagree.
You mentioned my unconstructive editing and I will defend them here:
I know this is a lengthy unblock request, but I wanted to argue about those edits specifically, as this notice is the first time we specifically brought up some of my edits, and the first time you explained that you see that it's wrong to recommend someone to leave and that the third edit we mentioned was disruptive. Of course you don't have to explain these to me before banning, and it's normal enough to make new arguments in your ban explanation. I'm just explaining it's why I have to argue so much in my request.
You may choose what you want, I won't take this too seriously as my time contributing to Wikipedia has been some whimsy in the first place. So don't worry too much about the decision.
If you choose to leave it as this, goodbye, and sorry for your time. I know people here can be kind and happy without me. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 04:29, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm happy to hear you're so eager to unblock me if I go into editing instead. You still have patience, which is kind of notable. But I have to decline, and say "no thank you." I'm sorry for that, but please reconsider. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 04:32, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Although you have produced a very long argument, it does not contain a sensible reason to unblock. You have made no constructive edits to the encyclopedia, and have expressed the determination not to do so. Your edits to other editors' talk pages are not constructive. I concur with the other admins posting on this page; in my view you are not here to help build the encyclopedia. -- Anthony Bradbury "talk" 10:24, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Personally, I will not unblock you.
I suspect you are a sock. Also, I am looking at the length of that unblock request and your posts, and the fact that you do not intend on editing the mainspace.
I think you see Wikipedia as your social plaything, and nothing more.
You fit WP:NOTHERE perfectly. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 05:07, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi. On my talk page, try to only ever edit your own comments. Never delete a comment just because it appears rude to me. I prefer to read everything. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 02:17, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Your first day editing and you choose to read people's minds and assign their actions motives without any prior communication? We'd really like your help with the articles; I'm thinking that would be more constructive than stirring up controversy. Tide rolls 15:39, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Can you please stop? Your comments aren't constructive, and are just getting in the way of discussing the real issue. You're not helping things. Sergecross73 msg me 01:41, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Interesting discussion, although shame we had to stop otherwise the admin would have probably blocked us. Am sure Luke doesn't mind. He'd be excited to see the messages. Probably. :)
147.143.95.28 ( talk) 18:38, 8 October 2014 (UTC) @ 147.143.95.28: Thanks! PS: your :) did not display properly heh. Also I wonder if my {{ping|147.143.95.28}} worked or not... Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 20:08, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Fixed! And nope, the ping back didn't work.
ty lol Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 20:43, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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Hi Nerdy Community Dude! Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. Come join other new editors at the Teahouse! The Teahouse is a space where new editors can get help from other new editors. These editors have also just begun editing Wikipedia; they may have had similar experiences as you. Come share your experiences, ask questions, and get advice from your peers. I hope to see you there! I JethroBT ( I'm a Teahouse host) This message was delivered automatically by your robot friend, HostBot ( talk) 16:13, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
Okay, you've been editing for almost a week now. I don't see a single edit to an article. Virtually ever edit is meddling in other people's affairs. What exactly is your purpose here? Im starting to get a vibe here... Care to prove me wrong? Sergecross73 msg me 23:07, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 23:19, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
I'd be interested to see that policy too. Care to show me that too please? Seems like many of the Wiki policies are exceptionally subjective. Have to wonder why many people prefer to edit behind an IP rather than sign up for an account.
87.114.181.58 (
talk)
00:16, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Anyways, sorry for being too sarcastic when I said "I wouldn't mind you showing it here." I shouldn't say that in the future. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 00:41, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
I notice you haven't yet edited in the mainspaceyet. I thought you might be interested in starting one of these articles:
Please let me know if you need any help. Anna F remote ( talk) 01:19, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the suggestion! But sorry it turns out I'm not the person who prefers working this way. Ty for offering help. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 02:17, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Yes, sorry ppl, I changed that. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 02:29, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Please do not
delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at
User talk:MirrorFreak. Such edits are disruptive and appear to be
vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the
sandbox. Thank you.
Theroadislong (
talk)
19:09, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
@ Lukejordan02:, I'm very very sorry about bothering you again, but remember you deleted the off topic section on your talk page? The first few comments in that deleted section looked like spam, so you probably didn't want to read the rest of it.
But I did say something I thought will help you argue about your frustrations from the ban: here I talked about how reasonable people would say "oh dear, we're terribly sorry, this has been a mistake, this time we didn't go through proper processes and turned out to be wrong." And how instead the message was "humph. Looks like you win and we lost. Well, let us remind you that we don't consider you an angel. Anyways, be good, Lukejordan02, be good."
I find it strange Anna et al. would call you a net negative on Wikipedia and talk so harshly to you. Why didn't they say that to me?
I find it awful to falsely accuse someone of something, not ever apologize, and talk so condescendingly. It's like I play golf and break your window, but instead of apologizing, me and my golf buddies say "hey, there's a golf course here, and you knew that when you bought your house, so stop complaining, it's wasting our time." Worse yet is how they threaten you with another ban for meatpuppetry. Even they really have an issue with that, they shouldn't bring it up in your complaint because it's off topic. And I feel they wouldn't mention it if you didn't complain to Sergecross, so it's like they're retaliating against your concerns. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 00:18, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I am starting to think that WP:NOTHERE applies to you. So far, you seem to be here only to discuss the conduct of the editors. You are drawing lots of eyes, keystrokes, and time away from building the encyclopedia. So, I must ask: Are you here to build the encyclopedia? Do you intend on actually editing the mainspace? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 00:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
This is a new one for me. Directly above, you declare that you are an editor who basically says that he does not intend on editing the mainspace, but instead will engage with others and be a net positive.
I cannot act unilaterally on this one. The community must decide.
Community: Is it alright for Nerdy Community Dude to be part of this community without editing the mainspace? Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 02:21, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I used to imagine Wikipedia to be a place where everyone can come and just whatevar, you know, as long as they don't break the rules or disrupt the processes.
I never thought so many people would find me some how, clicking that little talk button on my signature and discuss my habits. I never knew people at Wikipedia would measure how much of each job a user does, and decide if that's the right way to play at Wikipedia.
I'm here to try improving Wikipedia with my input. This is my position and I'll stand by it until they make a clear rule that I cannot do this. If that happens I may change my approach, or try my luck contributing to a site elsewhere, outside of Wikipedia List of Internet encyclopedias. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 02:36, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
You have been blocked from editing. In your time here, all you have done is [ follow the blocklog and make unconstructive comments on the talk pages of people who had been recently blocked. Your comments have not ever aided discussion, and quite the opposite, oftentimes got in the way of discussion. You recommend people leave the project. Complain about Admin. I don't see how you can see this as constructive and literally all you've done is make comments like this, or try to defend them, the entire time. It's all been unsolicited advice, much of it, not constructive. You've been offered to contribute to discussions at other venues, and you have declined. You've been asked to work on actually building an encyclopedia, and editing articles, and you have declined. It seems like you more or less want to complain about Wikipedia, or "right great wrongs" about how things are run here, but you refuse to at in a constructive manner about it. So you are now blocked from editing.
I will unblock you if you commit to discussion at the recommended venues. ( WP:RFC, WP:VILLAGEPUMP, etc) or if you decide you want to actually write in articles. But you'll be blocked again if you return merely following the block log and complaining about the website. When that's all you do, it's disruptive and it shows that you're not here to build an encyclopedia. Sergecross73 msg me 03:00, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Nerdy Community Dude ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
Sergecross, I always understood you thought my comments were unconstructive. You told me so very clearly, I asked why, and you gave your good reasons (even though we disagreed).
I always known there was conflict between us, and I wish there hadn't been, but I thought you would bring it up at some forum rather than directly ban me, as we are both involved in the many discussions where you judge my comments to be unconstructive. Of course, it would be infeasible to raise every editor to a conflict resolution forum before banning, but I think my case is especial. I certainly don't fault you for thinking otherwise that my case doesn't warrant those steps, and I'd likely make the same decision if I were you. Still I disagree.
You mentioned my unconstructive editing and I will defend them here:
I know this is a lengthy unblock request, but I wanted to argue about those edits specifically, as this notice is the first time we specifically brought up some of my edits, and the first time you explained that you see that it's wrong to recommend someone to leave and that the third edit we mentioned was disruptive. Of course you don't have to explain these to me before banning, and it's normal enough to make new arguments in your ban explanation. I'm just explaining it's why I have to argue so much in my request.
You may choose what you want, I won't take this too seriously as my time contributing to Wikipedia has been some whimsy in the first place. So don't worry too much about the decision.
If you choose to leave it as this, goodbye, and sorry for your time. I know people here can be kind and happy without me. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 04:29, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm happy to hear you're so eager to unblock me if I go into editing instead. You still have patience, which is kind of notable. But I have to decline, and say "no thank you." I'm sorry for that, but please reconsider. Nerdy Community Dude talk my edits 04:32, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Although you have produced a very long argument, it does not contain a sensible reason to unblock. You have made no constructive edits to the encyclopedia, and have expressed the determination not to do so. Your edits to other editors' talk pages are not constructive. I concur with the other admins posting on this page; in my view you are not here to help build the encyclopedia. -- Anthony Bradbury "talk" 10:24, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Personally, I will not unblock you.
I suspect you are a sock. Also, I am looking at the length of that unblock request and your posts, and the fact that you do not intend on editing the mainspace.
I think you see Wikipedia as your social plaything, and nothing more.
You fit WP:NOTHERE perfectly. Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 05:07, 14 October 2014 (UTC)