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Lol thanks for the comment (to Hildanknight). :D Cheers -- I mo eng 02:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I dont see why a GA needs images where there is a limited range available - all the ones that I know of of the the peak of this era (ie during the killings in central java) are the cruddiest black and white images I have ever seen! Anyway, I do hope you guys get it up to GA - Daniel and I in the end hoped others would pick it up - best of luck! SatuSuro 08:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Could you please be more specific about which particular criteria you judge the use of album covers to be against WP:FUC??
Hi how are you? So do you think we should extend the collab (again)? Personally, I think we should. Cheers -- I mo eng 09:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! I see you've been doing a lot of work on it while I was away... I'm trying to add a little credibility to our work now :) I think we're gonna be ready for a peer review very soon... -- Kristbg 03:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Just for a comparison. Is Malay a plural or a singular? I think Toraja is a singular, because it is an ethnic name. Same case for Batak, Dani, Asmat, etc. — Indon ( reply) — 04:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I think there could be many more links put in or fixed up - but I'm mainly working all my old arts on Tasmania for the moment. Also details about all the early HB'S should be in somehwere. SatuSuro 09:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliments. Yeah I know I should be sourcing it and I'll try to cite references and sources to the PPP article (I've also worked on the Golkar article and also all of the Orde Baru Vice Presidents apart from Habibie if you're interested in checking). I just have a good memory of the facts when it comes to things that I'm enthusiastic about (Indo politics esp. Orde Baru).
If you want to help with the sources by all means go for it. Anything after Orde Baru, you could easily find on the Internet. If you want to source info on the 2004 elections, you can go to tempointeraktif.com, they've got an archive of articles there. Just look around the May-August 2004 articles and you should be able to source my info on the Presidential elections.
I would help locate sources but I've got the HSC coming up and I'm only working on the articles when I'm taking a break from studies. Jakman 00:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Yep, I'm Indonesian. Born in Jakarta in 1988, moved to Sydney in 1999 and now doing my HSC. I didn't really get interested in Indonesian politics until 2004 when the Presidential Elections were on. I went on holiday that year(last two weeks of June 2004 and first two weeks of July 2004), got caught up with all the election enthusiasm, started searching information on the Presidential/Vice Presidential candidates for fun, and that's how I got interested into Indo politics. Jakman 01:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for compliments for the PDI article. It would be great if people can help me format the sources, because the only things I can do is give external links. Jakman 06:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
That'll be the online sources that I'm using. The book reference that I'm using has been added to the PDI article, but I'm not sure how to get it to appear as a footnote. Jakman 07:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Will do. I've added some external links for PDI Jakman 06:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Picadilly has just started this [Category:Indonesian anti-communists] with Suharto as first art in it - what do you think? SatuSuro 01:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the footnotes to Languages of East Timor. :-) FilipeS 19:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I have tried to find citations for Bali, for now, only using Google, but I cannot find a "scholar" website, most of them are travel sites. Do you think we should use that for now? Cheers -- Imo eng 10:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
They still exist in Negeri Sembilan where there's a community of Minangkabaus. Besides, the rumah gadang has been an inspiration to the design of other buildings such as Muzium Negara, Malaysia's national museum. Wai Hong 08:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I apologize for my oversight. I do place merge information in the edit summary when I feel the differential and "what links here" do not make the nature of the merge clear. In this case, I clearly misestimated. I will not make that mistake again. Jlittlet 16:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks Merbabu, Selamat Hari Raya to you too :D. Cheers -- Imo eng 03:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Why the Surabaya Flag Affair, November 10, Madiun Affair, PDRI, Makassar Massacre and General attacks are deleted? These events are important events during Indonesian National Revolution.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.210.145.7 ( talk • contribs)
Thanks for all the help with the referencing, I think I know how to do it now. I'll be going around to add some reference to other articles that I've done (PPP and the Orde Baru Vice Presidents) for the remainder of the day. I'll be going back to studying for the HSC tomorrow (I've got 6 days between my last HSC exam and my next one which is next Tuesday and I can't help but work on wiki). Again, thanks for the help.
Hi, I want to ask your opinion. How about if we put Tambora article to FAC? What do you think? Is it already qualified enough? — Indon ( reply) — 10:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey Merbabu, thanks for your message. I thought I was the only Aussie crazy enough to be editing this late. :) I agree about the spammer and I doubt he will give up, but at least he is easy enough to spot with his username. I must say, I loved the edit summary he used after you warned him, "adding external link to trusted, established site with links to U2 (personal friends with Marc Marot." That's a gem. :) Have a good night, Merbabu, Sarah Ewart ( Talk) 15:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I really think comments on yet another one of these time wasters needs to get out of the subject/article talk page - there's gotta be something where it has happened elsewhere - or - a policy page needs to have the very boring saga laid out so that it dosnt happen again soon! Otherwise, we'll be writing the same stuff, I suupose - for the next proposal no later than next february! SatuSuro 11:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! Maybe our next project should be to get the Wikipedia article on Java into the top ten on the Google search for "Java". -- Danny Yee 12:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
(no indent) I'll adopt Java for this week then. ;-) — Indon ( reply) — 15:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed your post on Talk:Sarah Ewart. I think the clocks go back tonight, so you were right the first time. I sympathise as it always confuses me too! -- Guinnog 12:07, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Certainly seems that way -- Michael Johnson 12:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
God forbid that you should even think of it - the trolls will be in there before you even mention it! SatuSuro 13:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The issues that you raise I'd need to follow up some other time. SatuSuro 14:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
[3]: There. -- Zondor 05:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry for inappropriate tag in Anti-Chinese legislation. I mistook the tag. Thanks anyway -- Nielswik (talk) 12:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I also prefer the old template instead of the newer one in terms of looks. But there is a work being done towards the uniformization of pages about musical artists. So, templates are being made to be used in every musical page, so they all look alike. Superseded means that this template has been replaced by the new one, which should be used from now on. The new template is more general, as it can be also used for non vocal instrumentalists and non performing personnel in addition to bands. If you think that the color banding looks bad in the template and have suggestions on how it should look, please discuss it in Template talk:Infobox musical artist. -- Nmnogueira 14:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Greetings from me. I'd like to point this issue, that has been troubling me lately about the band's discography. Is Rattle and Hum a proper studio album and does it deserve a place on the band's page. 'Cause it isn't on their discography page, it isn't regarded as a proper follow-up to Joshua Tree and thus I don't think it do deserve a place there. I wanted to ask you, because you are the first I've collaborated. I just don't want to put a oil in the fire and start a heated discussion. Some might say something like that: "Who the fuck are you to come right now and say this shit?" - and they might look at me as a newcomer, despite that I am seasoned editor.
Good point. I've extended the block to a month; much longer than that is very rare when it comes to IP blocks. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Luna Santin 23:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
All of the images are taken from Flickr website with non-suitable WP images. Images, that I tagged with copyvio template, have All rights reserved license. For this case of images, I've notified the uploader, as it is suggested in the template. For other images with CC non-commercial or non-derivational licenses, I simply replaced with the correct license tag, which in returns it gives CSD (speedy deletion) template. For this case, I didn't notify the uploader, because it is not required. At first, I didn't remove the CSD images from the article, but an admin asked me to do so, to help admin jobs (see his message in my talk page, just above your post). Cheers. — Indon ( reply) — 01:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Merbabu/Archive2! Starting today, the Indonesia Collaboration is Java. Come along and help make this an article worthy of the world’s greatest island. There’s a suggested to-do list on the the talk page to which you can add, or just pick a task. All sorts of tasks are required, Images, Citations, Research, Copy Edit; you name it, it needs to be done – this important article needs your help!! Regards -- Imo eng 08:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Prabowo SatuSuro 15:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
As that particular user had been warned by you previously - I figured a follow up was possibly in your domain. However, in view of your message this am - if the edits are frustrating you -
As for the subject - my frame of reference is very much a paranoid outsider living in Suharto's era Java with stories of snooping intels and others - all very off-wiki I am afraid! SatuSuro 09:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
There is another as well! Probably better at http://www.arts.auckland.ac.nz/staff/index.cfm?S=STAFF_tbeh002 in the top right corner. SatuSuro 14:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the invite for the Java collaboration. I've just had a look at the article and would probably only get to work on it the day after tomorrow. Knowing me, I'd probably focus on the history section. Jakman 21:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Likewise. I'll see what I can do in terms of copy-editing and making content suggestions. Just wondering, did Indonesia ever get renominated for GA/FA? I think it's in pretty good shape overall. Feeeshboy 00:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I have provided reference on ABB in the talk page Unfortunately it's in Indonesian languange, but i have listed some of its content on the talk page. Feel free to contact me about that. I just knew that you understood Indonesia And thank you about Iftar, I know my english is quite terrible and you didnt alter the meaning.
As an Indonesian, I have to thank you for your great contribs on Indonesian-related articles. Cheers Nielswik (talk) 14:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Merbabu, if you're working on the U218 Singles page, I've uploaded the new cover image from the group's website; it's called U218Singles.jpg . Thanks! -- Jvd897 15:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
You say: "Also included is a DVD containing the videos of the 16 selected songs."
What makes you think its also included?
U2.com says clearly : "It will be released on CD and 12” vinyl and as a full length DVD featuring the single promo videos."—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.122.173.55 ( talk • contribs)
[My bold] So a man born in the UK, to British parents, who retains the citizenship of his birth, and holds no other dual citizenship or passport, is not British because he moved to Ireland when he was five? More evidence that having account makes you no less stupid and biased a contributor. 86.17.246.29 15:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Now that they're in australia - I bet you have hell keeping the arts unvandalised! SatuSuro 10:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I really must take umbridge to your recent comments about me on the Pondok Indah AFD. If you feel I am being biased or discrimintory in my actions, please come to talk to me on my talk page. Accusations of bad-faith actions really offend me; especially when I have strived in my Wikipedia career only to improve the state of articles. The article as it was written showed NO signs of notability. It read like an advertisement, and thus looked spammy. There were no references; the wording of the article could lead one to believe that it was describing a small housing development for the rich, rather than an extensive and notable suburb. If you have any doubts of my motives, please read my contributions list and also read the state of the article as I found it when I first nominated it for deletion. If you think the article is to be kept, don't use diversionary tactics. By steering the discussion AWAY from the merits of the article at hand, you do your position a disservice. Argue the issue on the MERITS of the issue itself, not by steering it towards other unrelated issues. I have no idea what I have done in my past edits to offend you, but I offer no apologies for this AFD nomination. As the article stands TODAY, it has improved significantly, no longer looks non notable, and should definately be kept. But your attempts to smear my name by spurious and unfounded accusations of bad-faith had nothing to do with swaying my vote. The article is NOW referenced, it CLEARLY states the actual size and importance of the suburb. Thus it should be kept. If you wish to cast any further aspersions over my motives, please do so on my talk page, and keep it out of the public discourse. -- Jayron 32 19:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
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Lol thanks for the comment (to Hildanknight). :D Cheers -- I mo eng 02:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I dont see why a GA needs images where there is a limited range available - all the ones that I know of of the the peak of this era (ie during the killings in central java) are the cruddiest black and white images I have ever seen! Anyway, I do hope you guys get it up to GA - Daniel and I in the end hoped others would pick it up - best of luck! SatuSuro 08:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Could you please be more specific about which particular criteria you judge the use of album covers to be against WP:FUC??
Hi how are you? So do you think we should extend the collab (again)? Personally, I think we should. Cheers -- I mo eng 09:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! I see you've been doing a lot of work on it while I was away... I'm trying to add a little credibility to our work now :) I think we're gonna be ready for a peer review very soon... -- Kristbg 03:59, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Just for a comparison. Is Malay a plural or a singular? I think Toraja is a singular, because it is an ethnic name. Same case for Batak, Dani, Asmat, etc. — Indon ( reply) — 04:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I think there could be many more links put in or fixed up - but I'm mainly working all my old arts on Tasmania for the moment. Also details about all the early HB'S should be in somehwere. SatuSuro 09:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliments. Yeah I know I should be sourcing it and I'll try to cite references and sources to the PPP article (I've also worked on the Golkar article and also all of the Orde Baru Vice Presidents apart from Habibie if you're interested in checking). I just have a good memory of the facts when it comes to things that I'm enthusiastic about (Indo politics esp. Orde Baru).
If you want to help with the sources by all means go for it. Anything after Orde Baru, you could easily find on the Internet. If you want to source info on the 2004 elections, you can go to tempointeraktif.com, they've got an archive of articles there. Just look around the May-August 2004 articles and you should be able to source my info on the Presidential elections.
I would help locate sources but I've got the HSC coming up and I'm only working on the articles when I'm taking a break from studies. Jakman 00:47, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Yep, I'm Indonesian. Born in Jakarta in 1988, moved to Sydney in 1999 and now doing my HSC. I didn't really get interested in Indonesian politics until 2004 when the Presidential Elections were on. I went on holiday that year(last two weeks of June 2004 and first two weeks of July 2004), got caught up with all the election enthusiasm, started searching information on the Presidential/Vice Presidential candidates for fun, and that's how I got interested into Indo politics. Jakman 01:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for compliments for the PDI article. It would be great if people can help me format the sources, because the only things I can do is give external links. Jakman 06:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
That'll be the online sources that I'm using. The book reference that I'm using has been added to the PDI article, but I'm not sure how to get it to appear as a footnote. Jakman 07:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Will do. I've added some external links for PDI Jakman 06:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Picadilly has just started this [Category:Indonesian anti-communists] with Suharto as first art in it - what do you think? SatuSuro 01:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for adding the footnotes to Languages of East Timor. :-) FilipeS 19:23, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I have tried to find citations for Bali, for now, only using Google, but I cannot find a "scholar" website, most of them are travel sites. Do you think we should use that for now? Cheers -- Imo eng 10:32, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
They still exist in Negeri Sembilan where there's a community of Minangkabaus. Besides, the rumah gadang has been an inspiration to the design of other buildings such as Muzium Negara, Malaysia's national museum. Wai Hong 08:26, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I apologize for my oversight. I do place merge information in the edit summary when I feel the differential and "what links here" do not make the nature of the merge clear. In this case, I clearly misestimated. I will not make that mistake again. Jlittlet 16:13, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks Merbabu, Selamat Hari Raya to you too :D. Cheers -- Imo eng 03:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Why the Surabaya Flag Affair, November 10, Madiun Affair, PDRI, Makassar Massacre and General attacks are deleted? These events are important events during Indonesian National Revolution.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.210.145.7 ( talk • contribs)
Thanks for all the help with the referencing, I think I know how to do it now. I'll be going around to add some reference to other articles that I've done (PPP and the Orde Baru Vice Presidents) for the remainder of the day. I'll be going back to studying for the HSC tomorrow (I've got 6 days between my last HSC exam and my next one which is next Tuesday and I can't help but work on wiki). Again, thanks for the help.
Hi, I want to ask your opinion. How about if we put Tambora article to FAC? What do you think? Is it already qualified enough? — Indon ( reply) — 10:20, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Hey Merbabu, thanks for your message. I thought I was the only Aussie crazy enough to be editing this late. :) I agree about the spammer and I doubt he will give up, but at least he is easy enough to spot with his username. I must say, I loved the edit summary he used after you warned him, "adding external link to trusted, established site with links to U2 (personal friends with Marc Marot." That's a gem. :) Have a good night, Merbabu, Sarah Ewart ( Talk) 15:44, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
I really think comments on yet another one of these time wasters needs to get out of the subject/article talk page - there's gotta be something where it has happened elsewhere - or - a policy page needs to have the very boring saga laid out so that it dosnt happen again soon! Otherwise, we'll be writing the same stuff, I suupose - for the next proposal no later than next february! SatuSuro 11:13, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! Maybe our next project should be to get the Wikipedia article on Java into the top ten on the Google search for "Java". -- Danny Yee 12:27, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
(no indent) I'll adopt Java for this week then. ;-) — Indon ( reply) — 15:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed your post on Talk:Sarah Ewart. I think the clocks go back tonight, so you were right the first time. I sympathise as it always confuses me too! -- Guinnog 12:07, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Certainly seems that way -- Michael Johnson 12:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
God forbid that you should even think of it - the trolls will be in there before you even mention it! SatuSuro 13:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The issues that you raise I'd need to follow up some other time. SatuSuro 14:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
[3]: There. -- Zondor 05:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry for inappropriate tag in Anti-Chinese legislation. I mistook the tag. Thanks anyway -- Nielswik (talk) 12:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I also prefer the old template instead of the newer one in terms of looks. But there is a work being done towards the uniformization of pages about musical artists. So, templates are being made to be used in every musical page, so they all look alike. Superseded means that this template has been replaced by the new one, which should be used from now on. The new template is more general, as it can be also used for non vocal instrumentalists and non performing personnel in addition to bands. If you think that the color banding looks bad in the template and have suggestions on how it should look, please discuss it in Template talk:Infobox musical artist. -- Nmnogueira 14:15, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Greetings from me. I'd like to point this issue, that has been troubling me lately about the band's discography. Is Rattle and Hum a proper studio album and does it deserve a place on the band's page. 'Cause it isn't on their discography page, it isn't regarded as a proper follow-up to Joshua Tree and thus I don't think it do deserve a place there. I wanted to ask you, because you are the first I've collaborated. I just don't want to put a oil in the fire and start a heated discussion. Some might say something like that: "Who the fuck are you to come right now and say this shit?" - and they might look at me as a newcomer, despite that I am seasoned editor.
Good point. I've extended the block to a month; much longer than that is very rare when it comes to IP blocks. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Luna Santin 23:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
All of the images are taken from Flickr website with non-suitable WP images. Images, that I tagged with copyvio template, have All rights reserved license. For this case of images, I've notified the uploader, as it is suggested in the template. For other images with CC non-commercial or non-derivational licenses, I simply replaced with the correct license tag, which in returns it gives CSD (speedy deletion) template. For this case, I didn't notify the uploader, because it is not required. At first, I didn't remove the CSD images from the article, but an admin asked me to do so, to help admin jobs (see his message in my talk page, just above your post). Cheers. — Indon ( reply) — 01:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Merbabu/Archive2! Starting today, the Indonesia Collaboration is Java. Come along and help make this an article worthy of the world’s greatest island. There’s a suggested to-do list on the the talk page to which you can add, or just pick a task. All sorts of tasks are required, Images, Citations, Research, Copy Edit; you name it, it needs to be done – this important article needs your help!! Regards -- Imo eng 08:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Prabowo SatuSuro 15:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
As that particular user had been warned by you previously - I figured a follow up was possibly in your domain. However, in view of your message this am - if the edits are frustrating you -
As for the subject - my frame of reference is very much a paranoid outsider living in Suharto's era Java with stories of snooping intels and others - all very off-wiki I am afraid! SatuSuro 09:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
There is another as well! Probably better at http://www.arts.auckland.ac.nz/staff/index.cfm?S=STAFF_tbeh002 in the top right corner. SatuSuro 14:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the invite for the Java collaboration. I've just had a look at the article and would probably only get to work on it the day after tomorrow. Knowing me, I'd probably focus on the history section. Jakman 21:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Likewise. I'll see what I can do in terms of copy-editing and making content suggestions. Just wondering, did Indonesia ever get renominated for GA/FA? I think it's in pretty good shape overall. Feeeshboy 00:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
I have provided reference on ABB in the talk page Unfortunately it's in Indonesian languange, but i have listed some of its content on the talk page. Feel free to contact me about that. I just knew that you understood Indonesia And thank you about Iftar, I know my english is quite terrible and you didnt alter the meaning.
As an Indonesian, I have to thank you for your great contribs on Indonesian-related articles. Cheers Nielswik (talk) 14:03, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Merbabu, if you're working on the U218 Singles page, I've uploaded the new cover image from the group's website; it's called U218Singles.jpg . Thanks! -- Jvd897 15:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
You say: "Also included is a DVD containing the videos of the 16 selected songs."
What makes you think its also included?
U2.com says clearly : "It will be released on CD and 12” vinyl and as a full length DVD featuring the single promo videos."—Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.122.173.55 ( talk • contribs)
[My bold] So a man born in the UK, to British parents, who retains the citizenship of his birth, and holds no other dual citizenship or passport, is not British because he moved to Ireland when he was five? More evidence that having account makes you no less stupid and biased a contributor. 86.17.246.29 15:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Now that they're in australia - I bet you have hell keeping the arts unvandalised! SatuSuro 10:44, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I really must take umbridge to your recent comments about me on the Pondok Indah AFD. If you feel I am being biased or discrimintory in my actions, please come to talk to me on my talk page. Accusations of bad-faith actions really offend me; especially when I have strived in my Wikipedia career only to improve the state of articles. The article as it was written showed NO signs of notability. It read like an advertisement, and thus looked spammy. There were no references; the wording of the article could lead one to believe that it was describing a small housing development for the rich, rather than an extensive and notable suburb. If you have any doubts of my motives, please read my contributions list and also read the state of the article as I found it when I first nominated it for deletion. If you think the article is to be kept, don't use diversionary tactics. By steering the discussion AWAY from the merits of the article at hand, you do your position a disservice. Argue the issue on the MERITS of the issue itself, not by steering it towards other unrelated issues. I have no idea what I have done in my past edits to offend you, but I offer no apologies for this AFD nomination. As the article stands TODAY, it has improved significantly, no longer looks non notable, and should definately be kept. But your attempts to smear my name by spurious and unfounded accusations of bad-faith had nothing to do with swaying my vote. The article is NOW referenced, it CLEARLY states the actual size and importance of the suburb. Thus it should be kept. If you wish to cast any further aspersions over my motives, please do so on my talk page, and keep it out of the public discourse. -- Jayron 32 19:24, 2 November 2006 (UTC)