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Now don't tell me you don't suspect what I (and probably Martin too) found disparaging. If I had any doubts at first, your way of pointing out my unwanted omission to sign proved otherwise. You don't play fair.
Never mind; to show what I mean: improbably curvacious girlfriend and magazines of the kinds that I suppose come sealed in cellophane immediately caught my attention that you might have some problem with the work they do. Why to use the improbably adjective, why such subconsciously dishonoring way to refer to the magazines he published in. Obviously you don't mean just any magazines as many are packed in cellophane, like National Geographic over here, and there is nothing wrong with them. You just wanted to covertly point out they are erotica/porn magazines, but not to mention it aloud. A abject way how to voice an objection, similarly as the surplus comment in parenthesis – ‘’ perhaps only?’’
I briefly scanned your talk page at noticed it's not a first time somebody sees your comments offending. I have no interest to immerge into an argument with, I just felt you deserve me reply - because there is a slight chance you are not aware, how your words and actions act. [shrug] ... posted at 16:14, 6 January 2007 by
Rikapt
[Bouncing back to the left] I understand the main thrust of what you're saying and I'll concede that it has a certain attraction, but I disagree with it. First, though, some brush-clearing. As far as I know, Wikipedia has never been a scholarly encyclopedia, let alone a pure scholarly one. (Have you confused it with Nupedia?) A general knowledge source has to be reliable or it's worthless; I have a very high opinion of some articles in WP and also of certain areas but have a low opinion of others. Adolfo Farsari is a fine example of an article that will be of interest to very few people. The last time I looked at it, Elvis Presley was ghastly, despite being of interest to many (and yes, I mean a non-vandalized version of Elvis Presley). If there's a general correlation between degree of interest in articles and the quality of articles (I really don't know), exceptions abound. So, for deletion. I largely agree with this by User:Geogre, except that I'll take it further: I do sometimes propose to delete subjects as well as articles. I proposed to delete Perreault not only because of problems with the article as it stood but also because I didn't think he (yet) merited an article; once you have a lot of articles for people of this degree of notability, you'll generate many more of them, as people will come to think of WP as a classy version of MySpace and the like. When thousands of photographers have articles, tens of thousands will want them; half of these will insert jpegs of their work, all of which will take server space that will have to be maintained and paid for. ¶ Incidentally, when I say rather apparently harsh things about Perreault's notability, I'm not judging him as a photographer (let alone as a person). I'm judging him according to his score on conventional measures (with which I'm not entirely happy). Photographers whose work repels me can do well at these. In that other AfD, Jan Saudek was mentioned. What I've seen of Saudek's work I thought was ghastly, but I believe he deserves an article. And for what my own opinion is worth, Perreault's work shows an excellent use of light; he's still young, and could well go far. ¶ I've found my book on Karel Cudlín; really good! ¶ No, Prague is the only city I've been to whose very centre is intermittently overrun by foreign oafs. (Definitely not Czech. Surprisingly, a certain romance language.) They weren't aggressive or violent, just very irritating. The reason seemed simple: alcohol is too cheap. Still, without a Czech tradition of cheap alcohol the world would lack Švejk, so I shouldn't complain too much. -- Hoary 11:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
From a reliable source seems Slemon just recently married an American so would he consider himself South African as well as American? Also, his show in Birmingham was a shadow show of one in South Africa in that they explored the same piece and that piece was simultanelously created and exhibited on two different continents thus creating more dialog of what the premise of contour could be considered. Artsojourner 07:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
perisheth not. See Special:Contributions/86.130.131.138, whose edits I've just reversed. Choess 02:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for this comment. I have to say, though, that if he made a valid edit to Dave Baksh, then it is - as far as I can tell - the only non-vandalism edit he has ever made to Wikipedia. :) Wittyname 08:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see WP:TPG regarding changing talk, which should not normally be done, as it creates a false impression of the dialogue. If it has to be changed, strike through:
and make it clear what has changed. Thanks. Tyrenius 04:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, if you feel that some of my edits were not so positive, please do revert them. I'm all for the wikispirit and I don't claim to know anything about the subject myself (except for what I learned reading the article) so it would not surprise me all that much to find that a couple of my edits were not so good. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 03:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey there! So I figured I might beg for your help again, this time on my new FA try, The Turk. I know a few sections need a little help, but I figure i'll try to get a bunch of input before I hit the torture chambers this time. If you have time to take a look, i'd really appreciate it. Hope all is well! -- badlydrawnjeff talk 02:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, if you can tear yoruself away from the ongoing Perreault saga, have a gander at the introduction to the Farsari article that I've expanded slightly (in response to ExplorerCDT's comments. Please fix what ain't not broke! Thanks. Pinkville 04:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hiya, Mr. Rossier has been languishing here for about 21/2 months. Do you think it makes sense for him to be presented on the main page (or is he just too esoteric and insufficiently Finally Fantastic)? Pinkville 16:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad you asked that question. It gave me a chance to respond to one of my opposers in a constructive way. I was so sure that people would like my new approach, and I put so much work into it, but, well, it got shot down pretty quickly. It's a little disheartening, but if I had made it less wordy it might have had a chance. Oh well. I'm appreciated here still, which is what matters to me. Grand master ka 05:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi
Thanks for the feedback regarding Anthony Green (footballer) I now think that I have corrected this.
Sorry, just new and still learning.
Take Care. Mick
Mick4839 13:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Greylisting is probably to blame. And you are right to worry that if the confirmation email doesn't get through, others may not either. I suggest you set up a separate email account for Wiki purposes elsewhere. I can try sending a Gmail invite to your spam protected address if you want. Respond on my talk page if I can be of any further assistence. - Mgm| (talk) 13:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey Hoary, I see you PRODed Scarlet Page. I'm just curious as to why we wouldn't just send that article to Speedy Delete since its the recreation of a previously deleted page. TheMindsEye 16:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hoary. Thanks for chiming in on Margaret Spellings. This hasn't happened, but I wanted to give you a heads up on dealing with Ronald Bernard (the real name of the guy who posts Linda Christas spam on Wikipedia under dozens of names). His general modus operandi is to come on as Sockpuppet A, toss names around and provoke a screaming match, and then come back as Sockpuppet B pretending to be a "voice of reason" and suggest a compromise that's exactly what Sockpuppet A wanted in the first place. Sooo... I know you were actually more polite than the post deserved, but be careful that he doesn't provoke you. He's going to try. Thanks! - Richfife 17:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. =) While looking at your user page, I noticed there was a bit of old vandalism by 66.231.39.116 that MichaelLinnear missed on cleanup. -- Gogo Dodo 19:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I am the main writer of a GA called Wood Badge. I'd like to get it to FA but before that would appreciate the input of fine copyeditors such as yourself. I'd truly appreciate it. Rlevse 12:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you! As for me, the "real world" is imposing some fearsome obligations and deadlines. Back later. -- Hoary 06:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Incoherent? I think it was very direct. You asked me why I removed my signature. I said, if you really need to ask that question, you are mentally disabled (in so many words). So, given that you have less mental faculties than I attributed to you I'll tell you what I ment. I don’t want my signature there (as if that “wasn’t” obvious. Wikipedia has no rules proclaiming that my signature has to be on every post.)
Also, don’t mess with other peoples talk pages… ever. Revert articles all you want, and be a rat-bastard by doing so (Read the wikipedian rules… they DON’T want you to revert over badly worded information… but to try to incorporate that information, and only if highly unsuccessful, to remove it. Unfortunately, everyone ‘loves’ to revert stuff that ‘seems’ false.) but don’t go into other peoples talk pages and revert self vandalism. There are moderators for that, if I am not ‘allowed’ to do it, they will intervene. It is that simple.
Yes, you did correct yourself, but the primary argument is that 'you' shouldn't have been the one reverting it in the first place.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.247.241.212 ( talk • contribs)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/African American Vernacular English, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. Wikidudeman 00:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Voting is now open at Commons to choose the finalists for Picture of the Year 2006. The voting page is at Commons:Picture of the Year/2006. All editors having at least 100 edits either here or on any Wikimedia Wiki are welcome to participate. -- MichaelMaggs 07:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Enormous thanks for you intervention the other day. [2]. Kind regards, -- Joopercoopers 12:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Aach! I was indeed guessing, albeit educated guesses. I looked in a very comprehensive bibliography of sociolinguistics texts. It only lists that one Smitherman text so I assumed that that was the one. With the other three, I assumed that the work being cited was the sociolinguistics classroom text book because that was something they had in common and the other works cited for them didn't seem to have anything to do with AAVE.
Anyway, as you suggested I've removed the possibly erroneous sourcing. If you'd like, you can look up some of those sources and check which one is correct for each author. I'd do it myself but my library has been under construction for quite some time now and the books are stored far away so there's really no way to browse them. Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 04:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I still intend on finishing that up and getting it through the FAC, so any comments you have, leave them at the Turk's talk page so I can be sure I catch them. -- badlydrawnjeff talk 14:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Hoary. I was under the impression that due to the arbitration by Wiki admins., User:Onefortyone was on probation from editing celebrity biographies? I am just curious because more dubious information about the sexuality of actor Nick Adams was very recently included in his biography. Perhaps this probation is expired? Thank you. ExRat 04:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking about an FAC for this one in a short while: perhaps you could spare time to tell me how far off the article is as regards prose standards and referencing, in particular? If so, that would be much appreciated. Cheers, Moreschi Deletion! 10:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, the Stephanie Adams article seems to be again in dispute. See this section on my talk for instance. Don't know why they used my user talk, since I only edited that article a few times (did not even had it on my watchlist) but hey.. You seem to have edited that article for a long time, so I hope you are more familiar with the whole (long) story there. Since I am not, could you have a look? Garion96 (talk) 22:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hoary, thanks for the clarification and help posted to my Talk. As a new user here it is much appreciated. Heading off to dispute resolution now.
As for the edits on the Stephanie Adams article, someone suggested that it be closed to anonymous edits. Seems like a good idea to me. Many of the reverts and all of the attacks on me have been posted by anonymous using IPs that trace to particular IP block in Manhattan. Perhaps restricting the article to signed edits only would help. Sean Martin 23:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
A list of the "anonymous" IP addresses: http://www.richardsramblings.com/?p=556 Richard D. LeCour 18:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
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Now don't tell me you don't suspect what I (and probably Martin too) found disparaging. If I had any doubts at first, your way of pointing out my unwanted omission to sign proved otherwise. You don't play fair.
Never mind; to show what I mean: improbably curvacious girlfriend and magazines of the kinds that I suppose come sealed in cellophane immediately caught my attention that you might have some problem with the work they do. Why to use the improbably adjective, why such subconsciously dishonoring way to refer to the magazines he published in. Obviously you don't mean just any magazines as many are packed in cellophane, like National Geographic over here, and there is nothing wrong with them. You just wanted to covertly point out they are erotica/porn magazines, but not to mention it aloud. A abject way how to voice an objection, similarly as the surplus comment in parenthesis – ‘’ perhaps only?’’
I briefly scanned your talk page at noticed it's not a first time somebody sees your comments offending. I have no interest to immerge into an argument with, I just felt you deserve me reply - because there is a slight chance you are not aware, how your words and actions act. [shrug] ... posted at 16:14, 6 January 2007 by
Rikapt
[Bouncing back to the left] I understand the main thrust of what you're saying and I'll concede that it has a certain attraction, but I disagree with it. First, though, some brush-clearing. As far as I know, Wikipedia has never been a scholarly encyclopedia, let alone a pure scholarly one. (Have you confused it with Nupedia?) A general knowledge source has to be reliable or it's worthless; I have a very high opinion of some articles in WP and also of certain areas but have a low opinion of others. Adolfo Farsari is a fine example of an article that will be of interest to very few people. The last time I looked at it, Elvis Presley was ghastly, despite being of interest to many (and yes, I mean a non-vandalized version of Elvis Presley). If there's a general correlation between degree of interest in articles and the quality of articles (I really don't know), exceptions abound. So, for deletion. I largely agree with this by User:Geogre, except that I'll take it further: I do sometimes propose to delete subjects as well as articles. I proposed to delete Perreault not only because of problems with the article as it stood but also because I didn't think he (yet) merited an article; once you have a lot of articles for people of this degree of notability, you'll generate many more of them, as people will come to think of WP as a classy version of MySpace and the like. When thousands of photographers have articles, tens of thousands will want them; half of these will insert jpegs of their work, all of which will take server space that will have to be maintained and paid for. ¶ Incidentally, when I say rather apparently harsh things about Perreault's notability, I'm not judging him as a photographer (let alone as a person). I'm judging him according to his score on conventional measures (with which I'm not entirely happy). Photographers whose work repels me can do well at these. In that other AfD, Jan Saudek was mentioned. What I've seen of Saudek's work I thought was ghastly, but I believe he deserves an article. And for what my own opinion is worth, Perreault's work shows an excellent use of light; he's still young, and could well go far. ¶ I've found my book on Karel Cudlín; really good! ¶ No, Prague is the only city I've been to whose very centre is intermittently overrun by foreign oafs. (Definitely not Czech. Surprisingly, a certain romance language.) They weren't aggressive or violent, just very irritating. The reason seemed simple: alcohol is too cheap. Still, without a Czech tradition of cheap alcohol the world would lack Švejk, so I shouldn't complain too much. -- Hoary 11:09, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
From a reliable source seems Slemon just recently married an American so would he consider himself South African as well as American? Also, his show in Birmingham was a shadow show of one in South Africa in that they explored the same piece and that piece was simultanelously created and exhibited on two different continents thus creating more dialog of what the premise of contour could be considered. Artsojourner 07:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
perisheth not. See Special:Contributions/86.130.131.138, whose edits I've just reversed. Choess 02:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for this comment. I have to say, though, that if he made a valid edit to Dave Baksh, then it is - as far as I can tell - the only non-vandalism edit he has ever made to Wikipedia. :) Wittyname 08:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see WP:TPG regarding changing talk, which should not normally be done, as it creates a false impression of the dialogue. If it has to be changed, strike through:
and make it clear what has changed. Thanks. Tyrenius 04:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey, if you feel that some of my edits were not so positive, please do revert them. I'm all for the wikispirit and I don't claim to know anything about the subject myself (except for what I learned reading the article) so it would not surprise me all that much to find that a couple of my edits were not so good. Cheers, Pascal.Tesson 03:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey there! So I figured I might beg for your help again, this time on my new FA try, The Turk. I know a few sections need a little help, but I figure i'll try to get a bunch of input before I hit the torture chambers this time. If you have time to take a look, i'd really appreciate it. Hope all is well! -- badlydrawnjeff talk 02:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, if you can tear yoruself away from the ongoing Perreault saga, have a gander at the introduction to the Farsari article that I've expanded slightly (in response to ExplorerCDT's comments. Please fix what ain't not broke! Thanks. Pinkville 04:07, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Hiya, Mr. Rossier has been languishing here for about 21/2 months. Do you think it makes sense for him to be presented on the main page (or is he just too esoteric and insufficiently Finally Fantastic)? Pinkville 16:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm glad you asked that question. It gave me a chance to respond to one of my opposers in a constructive way. I was so sure that people would like my new approach, and I put so much work into it, but, well, it got shot down pretty quickly. It's a little disheartening, but if I had made it less wordy it might have had a chance. Oh well. I'm appreciated here still, which is what matters to me. Grand master ka 05:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi
Thanks for the feedback regarding Anthony Green (footballer) I now think that I have corrected this.
Sorry, just new and still learning.
Take Care. Mick
Mick4839 13:23, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Greylisting is probably to blame. And you are right to worry that if the confirmation email doesn't get through, others may not either. I suggest you set up a separate email account for Wiki purposes elsewhere. I can try sending a Gmail invite to your spam protected address if you want. Respond on my talk page if I can be of any further assistence. - Mgm| (talk) 13:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hey Hoary, I see you PRODed Scarlet Page. I'm just curious as to why we wouldn't just send that article to Speedy Delete since its the recreation of a previously deleted page. TheMindsEye 16:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Hoary. Thanks for chiming in on Margaret Spellings. This hasn't happened, but I wanted to give you a heads up on dealing with Ronald Bernard (the real name of the guy who posts Linda Christas spam on Wikipedia under dozens of names). His general modus operandi is to come on as Sockpuppet A, toss names around and provoke a screaming match, and then come back as Sockpuppet B pretending to be a "voice of reason" and suggest a compromise that's exactly what Sockpuppet A wanted in the first place. Sooo... I know you were actually more polite than the post deserved, but be careful that he doesn't provoke you. He's going to try. Thanks! - Richfife 17:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. =) While looking at your user page, I noticed there was a bit of old vandalism by 66.231.39.116 that MichaelLinnear missed on cleanup. -- Gogo Dodo 19:20, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I am the main writer of a GA called Wood Badge. I'd like to get it to FA but before that would appreciate the input of fine copyeditors such as yourself. I'd truly appreciate it. Rlevse 12:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
Thank you! As for me, the "real world" is imposing some fearsome obligations and deadlines. Back later. -- Hoary 06:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Incoherent? I think it was very direct. You asked me why I removed my signature. I said, if you really need to ask that question, you are mentally disabled (in so many words). So, given that you have less mental faculties than I attributed to you I'll tell you what I ment. I don’t want my signature there (as if that “wasn’t” obvious. Wikipedia has no rules proclaiming that my signature has to be on every post.)
Also, don’t mess with other peoples talk pages… ever. Revert articles all you want, and be a rat-bastard by doing so (Read the wikipedian rules… they DON’T want you to revert over badly worded information… but to try to incorporate that information, and only if highly unsuccessful, to remove it. Unfortunately, everyone ‘loves’ to revert stuff that ‘seems’ false.) but don’t go into other peoples talk pages and revert self vandalism. There are moderators for that, if I am not ‘allowed’ to do it, they will intervene. It is that simple.
Yes, you did correct yourself, but the primary argument is that 'you' shouldn't have been the one reverting it in the first place.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.247.241.212 ( talk • contribs)
A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/African American Vernacular English, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. Wikidudeman 00:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Voting is now open at Commons to choose the finalists for Picture of the Year 2006. The voting page is at Commons:Picture of the Year/2006. All editors having at least 100 edits either here or on any Wikimedia Wiki are welcome to participate. -- MichaelMaggs 07:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Enormous thanks for you intervention the other day. [2]. Kind regards, -- Joopercoopers 12:07, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Aach! I was indeed guessing, albeit educated guesses. I looked in a very comprehensive bibliography of sociolinguistics texts. It only lists that one Smitherman text so I assumed that that was the one. With the other three, I assumed that the work being cited was the sociolinguistics classroom text book because that was something they had in common and the other works cited for them didn't seem to have anything to do with AAVE.
Anyway, as you suggested I've removed the possibly erroneous sourcing. If you'd like, you can look up some of those sources and check which one is correct for each author. I'd do it myself but my library has been under construction for quite some time now and the books are stored far away so there's really no way to browse them. Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 04:19, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
I still intend on finishing that up and getting it through the FAC, so any comments you have, leave them at the Turk's talk page so I can be sure I catch them. -- badlydrawnjeff talk 14:39, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Hoary. I was under the impression that due to the arbitration by Wiki admins., User:Onefortyone was on probation from editing celebrity biographies? I am just curious because more dubious information about the sexuality of actor Nick Adams was very recently included in his biography. Perhaps this probation is expired? Thank you. ExRat 04:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm thinking about an FAC for this one in a short while: perhaps you could spare time to tell me how far off the article is as regards prose standards and referencing, in particular? If so, that would be much appreciated. Cheers, Moreschi Deletion! 10:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, the Stephanie Adams article seems to be again in dispute. See this section on my talk for instance. Don't know why they used my user talk, since I only edited that article a few times (did not even had it on my watchlist) but hey.. You seem to have edited that article for a long time, so I hope you are more familiar with the whole (long) story there. Since I am not, could you have a look? Garion96 (talk) 22:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
Hoary, thanks for the clarification and help posted to my Talk. As a new user here it is much appreciated. Heading off to dispute resolution now.
As for the edits on the Stephanie Adams article, someone suggested that it be closed to anonymous edits. Seems like a good idea to me. Many of the reverts and all of the attacks on me have been posted by anonymous using IPs that trace to particular IP block in Manhattan. Perhaps restricting the article to signed edits only would help. Sean Martin 23:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
A list of the "anonymous" IP addresses: http://www.richardsramblings.com/?p=556 Richard D. LeCour 18:52, 8 February 2007 (UTC)