There are so many candidates, and so much written by each one, that I need to write down my thoughts, or get confused. If someone else should read this and find it useful for them as well - so much the better!
AnonEMouse(squeak) 14:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Minor language issues ("It maybe unfair to Fred Bauder who obliged to do more work than other admins") but he is understandable. But more non-English-first arbcom members are a good thing.
Proud of
WP:RFSL, but that hasn't gotten any feedback except a merge request. On the other hand, he is actively trying to do something that could be important.
Also note minor spelling and grammar issues there. Probably the most serious was the misspelling of "Wikipedia" in the page name. (moved Wikpedia:Request for solutions to Wikipedia:Request for solutions: spelling issue)
My Q5, decision disagreed with, seemed to find one that went against a friend, rather than one that brought up larger issues. From evidence, did seem to be overblown, but still.
"I'd make
WP:IAR policy." It is policy, since August 9. :-P
No answers to my questions for a week.
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This partly failed because of
"going on strike" on user page as new editor, and "Sometimes, you have to fight dirty against people who fight dirtily against you" comment in RfA.
Hasn't answered most questions yet, one he did answer was troubling: seems to think he needs to make a
WP:Friendship essay, and permission from Jimbo to make a
Wikipedia:Image sources page.
Aged 30-40, I joined Wikipedia in April 2005, Admin since September 2005,
Left adminship for a while, vandalized WP:AN/I.
"We need just enough due process to give good people confidence of fair treatment, but not enough to allow fools to waste our time screaming about their ‘rights’."
chosen field is/was religion,
OTRS team, specialising in
WP:LIVING issues.
rusty legal training, and a modest record of writing wikipolicies.
Excellent evidence presentation in several arbcom cases.
Didn't seem to read my questions very carefully, even though claiming "I’ve looked over the questions everyone is asking". Q1, didn't understand what power was being asked about (everyone else understood). Q4 seems to think I have an agenda. Q8, didn't take the clear hint to give a reference to an important and rather controversial and famous arbcom case.
Q5 had a good answer where he actually changed the course of a bad ruling.
Regrets several important actions - userboxes, Giano, his resignation and redirecting AN/I - I believe in forgiveness, but that's a lot of regrets.
For my Q4, gave answers that were related to cases he himself had participated in. Not terrible, but sort of the easy way out, especially given that he doesn't completely disagree with the decision, just aspects - in one case that the censure be stronger, in another that multiple mentors be assigned instead of just one. I would argue that he partly misses both parts of the question, first that he prove his ability to do research, and second that he be able to show and explain where he disagrees with actual opinions. Of course he did excellent, well presented research for the Freestylefrappe case, above, but that was something that directly concerned him. On the arbcom, he will usually face cases that don't.
Also not quite sure what was the point of his Freestylefrappe decision disagreement - "I would have supported long-term civility parole and even a one-week ban for Freestylefrappe's constant disruptions.... the revocation of his admin rights did not solve the problem, as later demonstrated by Freestylefrappe being blocked several more times (under undisclosed sockpuppet accounts) and then being banned by the community." Well, then that implies that the long-term civility parole and one-week ban would not have solved the problem either, no? It would have maybe sped him on the road to permanent banning by one block earlier, hardly a major change.
Good answers to Q5 - worries about expunging block log and excluding links to ED.
"if you see me creating proposed decisions that are not even tangentially related to the /workshop or /evidence page, please tap me on the shoulder and ask me to recuse. If this happens on a regular basis, ask me to resign."
No sense of humor about
WP:SPIDER :-( "delete and ban creator" Aieeee....
Impressive research in answering Pschemp's questions about MONGO/ED.
longer-time members of Wikipedia, arriving in 2003 and becoming an administrator in 2004 (but see Improv, just below)
long history of article writing ,
user:Geogre/AfD has some of the material that led to the "notability" guideline, and
Wikipedia:Managed Deletion was possibly the first shot at what would become prod and the expanded CSD
"french IT consultant who gnomily contributes to WP articles and RD answers, quite recently proofreading Gutemberg project's books. An arbitrator is not free for the customer : I may spend less time for articles."
"I am a hard ass editor constantly enforcing Wikipedia's rules on anyone from newbies to veterans. I'm skilled in debate and as such understand how to settle them using facts rather than logic. I have been known to be harsh many times, but I am fair, I treat everyone the same and I expect no less from others. Wikipedia should be about control and order,"
Immediate reaction: Aieeee! Run, hide!
OK, let's give him a chance to answer some questions, maybe he's overstating his jackboots above. I really hope so.
"Transparency in conversations strictly between Arbcom members is not necessary or always desirable." - worrisome.
Doesn't see anything wrong with Fred doing most of the work.
"The Cookie Caper" - slaughtered articles on Peperridge Farm, Famous Amos, Hydrox, Toll House, etc. (very famous American cookie making companies), for being ads. Aiieee!
Similarly, blew away "Cleveland_Steamer" against consensus.
Finally, unable to deal with large volume of questions on page, specifically asking people to add new ones to bottom, and misses at least one new one I added. Granted, it's hard, but that's what Arbcom cases will be like. Others don't seem to complain.
My Q2 - worrisome, seems to want the bureaucrat de-cratted, without wanting the decision that he made reversed. That seems to be more punishment than problem solving.
Q5 - especially troubling. Seems to imply that he disagrees with most Arbcom decisions, without giving specifics.
Q6 seems to be opposition to lawyers as a group - fine usually, but not from someone running for the job of, essentially, judge.
Q5 - found two controversial decisions, then writes "But that's not a decision I disagree with as such" and "That said, on the balance of evidence and policy, I cannot fault the conclusion." - Huh?
"where my personal views conflict with what ArbCom says then I would either have recused in advance or accepted the consensus".
"Note that there is a huge difference between ruling that debate on a failed proposal should be drawn to a close to avoid acrimony, and arbitrating that a proposal has consensus, shutting out a substantial and vocal minority." In other words, it's more OK to say "it's failed, shut up", than to say "it's succeeded, shut up"?
I am running for the Arbitration Committee because I feel that there are not enough candidates already running to fill the open positions with acceptable nominees.
I stand specifically for a zero tolerance policy for administrative misconduct: any administrator who abuses administrative privilege (where "abuses" means uses in a manner inconsistent with policy where such use tends to create or intensify a disruption in Wikipedia") will be, at the very least, temporarily suspended as an administrator. Admins on Wikipedia have had a free hand for too long. I made many mistakes as an administrator, and it is my intention to see that no other administrator makes the same mistakes -- and that those who do, do not get the chance to make them again.
"Frankly, I'm not here to win for myself, I'm here to give the community the widest possible selection" ??
In several comments, appears to be indecisive:
"the remedies to SpinyNorman are both numerous and potentially confusing, I think I'd have rather suggested that they were simplified, but I'm not totally sure how."
complex answer to my Q2
"In the event that I have my own decisions..."
Did the research for Q3
Didn't hesitate to express disagreement in Q5
Seems to think Fred Bauder is a formal "mouthpiece for the Committee being appointed."
"Generally, if the WP community is mostly behind something, they ought to get their way"
"Think of all the huge content wars, debates, firestorms... none of them have been based on NPOV, which has been followed pretty faithfully throughout the 'pedia." - Clearly not involved in editing contentious articles.
Would remove WP:RFA and give adminship automatically barring hard to achieve veto.
Believes arbcom should ban admins from editing for admin actions, not just de-admin.
Strange way to answer Q6, addressed to Fred Bauder - "not the "king" of remedies/priniciples/findings" - why reproach Fred?
"If an arbitrator is responsible, reasonable, and coming up with agreeable settlements (things that at least a few people can agree on), then they're doing a good job. Simply put, not being a dick." -
In short, doesn't seem to treat arbitration as judging, but merely as mediation
Writes well, but seems to work hard to duck actually answering difficult questions. For example: "Nor do I feel I have to agree with everything each says to support both." - OK, so which parts do you actually agree with and disagree with?
focus on cases that involve looking at content, sort out the increasingly tangled knots of essays, guidelines, policy, instruction creep, de facto committees.
low patience for idiots, but a high tolerance for well-intentioned users.
Good answer to my Q1, emphasizing that in many cases the arbcom only has the power we give them.
However seems to be directly contradicted by answer to Q2. Watch: Q1 "... the arbcom is trusted to be correct about what the community consensus is." Q2: "... whether the community came to an acceptable consensus. That is not for the arbcom to judge." - so is it or isn't it?
Q5 seems to have objections, but not yet clear on what those objections are.
Wrote answers to my questions without my posting them! :-) But seems to think they aren't hard enough? Sure, after having twenty others answer them first... :-P
Excellent answers.
Prefers probation to short blocks. Interesting - weren't there others railing against probation? Need to check...
Lives in Netherlands, which is a plus. Need more non-English-first arbs.
"Transparency for arbcom decisionmaking is a tough call... I believe that the magnitude and importance of internal and side conversations (e.g. among just two or three arbs) are less than is generally believed."
"To some extent the need for transparency and public input is at odds with a fast process..."
"I don't believe that it would be wise to comment on a particular case. There are many examples."
"I do not wish to comment on how I would vote on particular cases, past or future, so I will decline your suggestion to pick a case where I did not agree with the outcome."
There seems to be a consistent pattern of "I'm not going to tell you how I will decide", with some implication that this is also how UC will behave on the arbcom, that transparency is not that important.
member of the OTRS team and well aware of
WP:LIVING/OTRS issues while maintaining
WP:PP. I clerk for
WP:RFCU and do Open Proxy checking of IPs.
"precenence" "precidence" - this is a clerk?
Decisions, while they have precidence in that future cases will likely end in similar result, are
pragmatic and focus on resolving a dispute, not on interpreting the "wiki-constitution". It is not a "supreme court"
Starts out good, but tends to dissolve into something hard to understand. For example, my Q2 dissolves into math. Was that really what I asked for? Q4 goes into "distorters" whatever they are, misses the "good writers" part, and ends that it's moot anyway.
Q5 I really don't like: "I'd dig through and try to find one, but I don't feel the need as I won't really use all that time to do that much other than answer a single optional question that won't be used later." Yes, I want you to use all that time! It's an important question. Then later he does answer it, but with merely a nitpick - force someone to stand for RfA, and remove their bit afterwards instead of before, which is a 7 day difference at most.
Starblind - ?
QuestionsVote 9-21 insufficient DR experience
The prophet wizard of the crayon cake - no, inexperienced, few answers
QuestionsVote 6-42 inexperienced No need
UninvitedCompany - no, transparency
QuestionsVote 106-3 Opposed
Voice of All - no, hard to understand, won't do research
QuestionsVote 50-14 ? Opposed
Wildthing61476 - no, no answers
QuestionsVote 1-35 no answers
Will Beback - no, ambiguous answers
QuestionsVote 58-18 "list of problem users"
4 "yes"es and only half looked at. (Less than half now that 4 new ones showed up!) Need to be * stricter and more selective!
AnonEMouse(squeak) 22:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
9 yeses out of 19, with 7 to go. Still not selective enough, will need to review "yes"es.
AnonEMouse(squeak) 16:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
17 yeses out of 36, with 4 to go.
AnonEMouse(squeak) 20:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Warning: Most of these are intended to be tough. Answering them properly will be hard. I don't expect anyone to actually withdraw themselves from nomination rather than answer these, but I do expect at least some to seriously think about it!
The one consolation is that your competitors for the positions will be asked them too. Notice that there are about one thousand admins, and about a dozen arbcom members, so the process to become an arbcom member may be expected to be one hundred times harder. (Bonus question - do you think I hit that difficulty standard?) :-)
A current Arbcom case,
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Protecting children's privacy is concerned with the decision of whether or not a proposed policy has consensus or not, and therefore whether or not it should be a policy/guideline. Whether or not the Arbcom has or should have the power of making this decision is
hotly disputed. Does Arbcom have this power? Should it have this power? Why or why not?
Similarly, a recently closed Arbcom case
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Giano barely dodged the possibly similar issue of whether the Arbcom can, or should, determine whether Bureaucrats properly made someone an administrator. (Discussed, for example,
here). The current arbcom dodged the question (didn't reach agreement one way or the other, and ended up leaving it alone by omission), but you don't get to. :-) Does the arbcom have this power? Should it?
Various arbcom decisions (can't find a link right now - bonus points for finding a link to an arbcom decision saying this!) have taken into account a user's service to the Wikipedia. Several times they have written that an otherwise good user that has a rare instance of misbehaviour can be treated differently than a user whose similar misbehaviour is their main or sole contribution to the Wikipedia. Do you agree or not, and why?
If you agree with the above point, which service to the encyclopedia is more valuable - administration, or writing very good articles? For example, what happens when two editors, an administrator and a good article writer, come into conflict and/or commit a similar infraction - how should they be treated? Note that there are relatively the same number of current administrators and featured articles on the Wikipedia - about 1000 - however, while relatively few administrators have been de-adminned, many former featured articles have been de-featured, so there have been noticeably more featured articles written than administrators made. This is a really tough one to answer without offending at least one important group of people, and I will understand if you weasel your way out of answering it, but it was one of the issues brought up in the recent
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Giano, so you can imagine it may come up again.
While some Arbcom decisions pass unanimously, many pass with some disagreement. I don't know of any Arbcom member who hasn't been in the minority on some decisions. Find an Arbcom decision that passed, was actually made that you disagree with. Link to it, then explain why you disagree. (If you don't have time or inclination to do the research to find one - are you sure you will have time or inclination to do the research when elected? If you can't find any passed decisions you disagree with, realize you are leaving yourself open to accusations of running as a
rubber stamp candidate, one who doesn't have any opinions that might disagree with anyone.)
It has been noted that the diligent
User:Fred Bauder writes most of the initial Arbcom decisions -- especially principles, and findings of fact, but even a fair number of the remedies. (Then a fair number get opposed, and refined or don't pass, but he does do most of the initial work.) Do you believe this is: right; neither right nor wrong but acceptable; or wrong? When you get elected, what do you plan to do about it?
For those who are administrators only - how do you feel about non-administrators on the arbcom? Note that while "sure, let them on if they get elected" is an easy answer, there are issues with not having the ability to view deleted articles, and either not earning the community trust enough to become an admin, or not wanting the commensurate duties. Or do you believe that non-administrators are a group that need representation on the arbcom?
There are so many candidates, and so much written by each one, that I need to write down my thoughts, or get confused. If someone else should read this and find it useful for them as well - so much the better!
AnonEMouse(squeak) 14:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Minor language issues ("It maybe unfair to Fred Bauder who obliged to do more work than other admins") but he is understandable. But more non-English-first arbcom members are a good thing.
Proud of
WP:RFSL, but that hasn't gotten any feedback except a merge request. On the other hand, he is actively trying to do something that could be important.
Also note minor spelling and grammar issues there. Probably the most serious was the misspelling of "Wikipedia" in the page name. (moved Wikpedia:Request for solutions to Wikipedia:Request for solutions: spelling issue)
My Q5, decision disagreed with, seemed to find one that went against a friend, rather than one that brought up larger issues. From evidence, did seem to be overblown, but still.
"I'd make
WP:IAR policy." It is policy, since August 9. :-P
No answers to my questions for a week.
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This partly failed because of
"going on strike" on user page as new editor, and "Sometimes, you have to fight dirty against people who fight dirtily against you" comment in RfA.
Hasn't answered most questions yet, one he did answer was troubling: seems to think he needs to make a
WP:Friendship essay, and permission from Jimbo to make a
Wikipedia:Image sources page.
Aged 30-40, I joined Wikipedia in April 2005, Admin since September 2005,
Left adminship for a while, vandalized WP:AN/I.
"We need just enough due process to give good people confidence of fair treatment, but not enough to allow fools to waste our time screaming about their ‘rights’."
chosen field is/was religion,
OTRS team, specialising in
WP:LIVING issues.
rusty legal training, and a modest record of writing wikipolicies.
Excellent evidence presentation in several arbcom cases.
Didn't seem to read my questions very carefully, even though claiming "I’ve looked over the questions everyone is asking". Q1, didn't understand what power was being asked about (everyone else understood). Q4 seems to think I have an agenda. Q8, didn't take the clear hint to give a reference to an important and rather controversial and famous arbcom case.
Q5 had a good answer where he actually changed the course of a bad ruling.
Regrets several important actions - userboxes, Giano, his resignation and redirecting AN/I - I believe in forgiveness, but that's a lot of regrets.
For my Q4, gave answers that were related to cases he himself had participated in. Not terrible, but sort of the easy way out, especially given that he doesn't completely disagree with the decision, just aspects - in one case that the censure be stronger, in another that multiple mentors be assigned instead of just one. I would argue that he partly misses both parts of the question, first that he prove his ability to do research, and second that he be able to show and explain where he disagrees with actual opinions. Of course he did excellent, well presented research for the Freestylefrappe case, above, but that was something that directly concerned him. On the arbcom, he will usually face cases that don't.
Also not quite sure what was the point of his Freestylefrappe decision disagreement - "I would have supported long-term civility parole and even a one-week ban for Freestylefrappe's constant disruptions.... the revocation of his admin rights did not solve the problem, as later demonstrated by Freestylefrappe being blocked several more times (under undisclosed sockpuppet accounts) and then being banned by the community." Well, then that implies that the long-term civility parole and one-week ban would not have solved the problem either, no? It would have maybe sped him on the road to permanent banning by one block earlier, hardly a major change.
Good answers to Q5 - worries about expunging block log and excluding links to ED.
"if you see me creating proposed decisions that are not even tangentially related to the /workshop or /evidence page, please tap me on the shoulder and ask me to recuse. If this happens on a regular basis, ask me to resign."
No sense of humor about
WP:SPIDER :-( "delete and ban creator" Aieeee....
Impressive research in answering Pschemp's questions about MONGO/ED.
longer-time members of Wikipedia, arriving in 2003 and becoming an administrator in 2004 (but see Improv, just below)
long history of article writing ,
user:Geogre/AfD has some of the material that led to the "notability" guideline, and
Wikipedia:Managed Deletion was possibly the first shot at what would become prod and the expanded CSD
"french IT consultant who gnomily contributes to WP articles and RD answers, quite recently proofreading Gutemberg project's books. An arbitrator is not free for the customer : I may spend less time for articles."
"I am a hard ass editor constantly enforcing Wikipedia's rules on anyone from newbies to veterans. I'm skilled in debate and as such understand how to settle them using facts rather than logic. I have been known to be harsh many times, but I am fair, I treat everyone the same and I expect no less from others. Wikipedia should be about control and order,"
Immediate reaction: Aieeee! Run, hide!
OK, let's give him a chance to answer some questions, maybe he's overstating his jackboots above. I really hope so.
"Transparency in conversations strictly between Arbcom members is not necessary or always desirable." - worrisome.
Doesn't see anything wrong with Fred doing most of the work.
"The Cookie Caper" - slaughtered articles on Peperridge Farm, Famous Amos, Hydrox, Toll House, etc. (very famous American cookie making companies), for being ads. Aiieee!
Similarly, blew away "Cleveland_Steamer" against consensus.
Finally, unable to deal with large volume of questions on page, specifically asking people to add new ones to bottom, and misses at least one new one I added. Granted, it's hard, but that's what Arbcom cases will be like. Others don't seem to complain.
My Q2 - worrisome, seems to want the bureaucrat de-cratted, without wanting the decision that he made reversed. That seems to be more punishment than problem solving.
Q5 - especially troubling. Seems to imply that he disagrees with most Arbcom decisions, without giving specifics.
Q6 seems to be opposition to lawyers as a group - fine usually, but not from someone running for the job of, essentially, judge.
Q5 - found two controversial decisions, then writes "But that's not a decision I disagree with as such" and "That said, on the balance of evidence and policy, I cannot fault the conclusion." - Huh?
"where my personal views conflict with what ArbCom says then I would either have recused in advance or accepted the consensus".
"Note that there is a huge difference between ruling that debate on a failed proposal should be drawn to a close to avoid acrimony, and arbitrating that a proposal has consensus, shutting out a substantial and vocal minority." In other words, it's more OK to say "it's failed, shut up", than to say "it's succeeded, shut up"?
I am running for the Arbitration Committee because I feel that there are not enough candidates already running to fill the open positions with acceptable nominees.
I stand specifically for a zero tolerance policy for administrative misconduct: any administrator who abuses administrative privilege (where "abuses" means uses in a manner inconsistent with policy where such use tends to create or intensify a disruption in Wikipedia") will be, at the very least, temporarily suspended as an administrator. Admins on Wikipedia have had a free hand for too long. I made many mistakes as an administrator, and it is my intention to see that no other administrator makes the same mistakes -- and that those who do, do not get the chance to make them again.
"Frankly, I'm not here to win for myself, I'm here to give the community the widest possible selection" ??
In several comments, appears to be indecisive:
"the remedies to SpinyNorman are both numerous and potentially confusing, I think I'd have rather suggested that they were simplified, but I'm not totally sure how."
complex answer to my Q2
"In the event that I have my own decisions..."
Did the research for Q3
Didn't hesitate to express disagreement in Q5
Seems to think Fred Bauder is a formal "mouthpiece for the Committee being appointed."
"Generally, if the WP community is mostly behind something, they ought to get their way"
"Think of all the huge content wars, debates, firestorms... none of them have been based on NPOV, which has been followed pretty faithfully throughout the 'pedia." - Clearly not involved in editing contentious articles.
Would remove WP:RFA and give adminship automatically barring hard to achieve veto.
Believes arbcom should ban admins from editing for admin actions, not just de-admin.
Strange way to answer Q6, addressed to Fred Bauder - "not the "king" of remedies/priniciples/findings" - why reproach Fred?
"If an arbitrator is responsible, reasonable, and coming up with agreeable settlements (things that at least a few people can agree on), then they're doing a good job. Simply put, not being a dick." -
In short, doesn't seem to treat arbitration as judging, but merely as mediation
Writes well, but seems to work hard to duck actually answering difficult questions. For example: "Nor do I feel I have to agree with everything each says to support both." - OK, so which parts do you actually agree with and disagree with?
focus on cases that involve looking at content, sort out the increasingly tangled knots of essays, guidelines, policy, instruction creep, de facto committees.
low patience for idiots, but a high tolerance for well-intentioned users.
Good answer to my Q1, emphasizing that in many cases the arbcom only has the power we give them.
However seems to be directly contradicted by answer to Q2. Watch: Q1 "... the arbcom is trusted to be correct about what the community consensus is." Q2: "... whether the community came to an acceptable consensus. That is not for the arbcom to judge." - so is it or isn't it?
Q5 seems to have objections, but not yet clear on what those objections are.
Wrote answers to my questions without my posting them! :-) But seems to think they aren't hard enough? Sure, after having twenty others answer them first... :-P
Excellent answers.
Prefers probation to short blocks. Interesting - weren't there others railing against probation? Need to check...
Lives in Netherlands, which is a plus. Need more non-English-first arbs.
"Transparency for arbcom decisionmaking is a tough call... I believe that the magnitude and importance of internal and side conversations (e.g. among just two or three arbs) are less than is generally believed."
"To some extent the need for transparency and public input is at odds with a fast process..."
"I don't believe that it would be wise to comment on a particular case. There are many examples."
"I do not wish to comment on how I would vote on particular cases, past or future, so I will decline your suggestion to pick a case where I did not agree with the outcome."
There seems to be a consistent pattern of "I'm not going to tell you how I will decide", with some implication that this is also how UC will behave on the arbcom, that transparency is not that important.
member of the OTRS team and well aware of
WP:LIVING/OTRS issues while maintaining
WP:PP. I clerk for
WP:RFCU and do Open Proxy checking of IPs.
"precenence" "precidence" - this is a clerk?
Decisions, while they have precidence in that future cases will likely end in similar result, are
pragmatic and focus on resolving a dispute, not on interpreting the "wiki-constitution". It is not a "supreme court"
Starts out good, but tends to dissolve into something hard to understand. For example, my Q2 dissolves into math. Was that really what I asked for? Q4 goes into "distorters" whatever they are, misses the "good writers" part, and ends that it's moot anyway.
Q5 I really don't like: "I'd dig through and try to find one, but I don't feel the need as I won't really use all that time to do that much other than answer a single optional question that won't be used later." Yes, I want you to use all that time! It's an important question. Then later he does answer it, but with merely a nitpick - force someone to stand for RfA, and remove their bit afterwards instead of before, which is a 7 day difference at most.
Starblind - ?
QuestionsVote 9-21 insufficient DR experience
The prophet wizard of the crayon cake - no, inexperienced, few answers
QuestionsVote 6-42 inexperienced No need
UninvitedCompany - no, transparency
QuestionsVote 106-3 Opposed
Voice of All - no, hard to understand, won't do research
QuestionsVote 50-14 ? Opposed
Wildthing61476 - no, no answers
QuestionsVote 1-35 no answers
Will Beback - no, ambiguous answers
QuestionsVote 58-18 "list of problem users"
4 "yes"es and only half looked at. (Less than half now that 4 new ones showed up!) Need to be * stricter and more selective!
AnonEMouse(squeak) 22:28, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
9 yeses out of 19, with 7 to go. Still not selective enough, will need to review "yes"es.
AnonEMouse(squeak) 16:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
17 yeses out of 36, with 4 to go.
AnonEMouse(squeak) 20:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Warning: Most of these are intended to be tough. Answering them properly will be hard. I don't expect anyone to actually withdraw themselves from nomination rather than answer these, but I do expect at least some to seriously think about it!
The one consolation is that your competitors for the positions will be asked them too. Notice that there are about one thousand admins, and about a dozen arbcom members, so the process to become an arbcom member may be expected to be one hundred times harder. (Bonus question - do you think I hit that difficulty standard?) :-)
A current Arbcom case,
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Protecting children's privacy is concerned with the decision of whether or not a proposed policy has consensus or not, and therefore whether or not it should be a policy/guideline. Whether or not the Arbcom has or should have the power of making this decision is
hotly disputed. Does Arbcom have this power? Should it have this power? Why or why not?
Similarly, a recently closed Arbcom case
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Giano barely dodged the possibly similar issue of whether the Arbcom can, or should, determine whether Bureaucrats properly made someone an administrator. (Discussed, for example,
here). The current arbcom dodged the question (didn't reach agreement one way or the other, and ended up leaving it alone by omission), but you don't get to. :-) Does the arbcom have this power? Should it?
Various arbcom decisions (can't find a link right now - bonus points for finding a link to an arbcom decision saying this!) have taken into account a user's service to the Wikipedia. Several times they have written that an otherwise good user that has a rare instance of misbehaviour can be treated differently than a user whose similar misbehaviour is their main or sole contribution to the Wikipedia. Do you agree or not, and why?
If you agree with the above point, which service to the encyclopedia is more valuable - administration, or writing very good articles? For example, what happens when two editors, an administrator and a good article writer, come into conflict and/or commit a similar infraction - how should they be treated? Note that there are relatively the same number of current administrators and featured articles on the Wikipedia - about 1000 - however, while relatively few administrators have been de-adminned, many former featured articles have been de-featured, so there have been noticeably more featured articles written than administrators made. This is a really tough one to answer without offending at least one important group of people, and I will understand if you weasel your way out of answering it, but it was one of the issues brought up in the recent
Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Giano, so you can imagine it may come up again.
While some Arbcom decisions pass unanimously, many pass with some disagreement. I don't know of any Arbcom member who hasn't been in the minority on some decisions. Find an Arbcom decision that passed, was actually made that you disagree with. Link to it, then explain why you disagree. (If you don't have time or inclination to do the research to find one - are you sure you will have time or inclination to do the research when elected? If you can't find any passed decisions you disagree with, realize you are leaving yourself open to accusations of running as a
rubber stamp candidate, one who doesn't have any opinions that might disagree with anyone.)
It has been noted that the diligent
User:Fred Bauder writes most of the initial Arbcom decisions -- especially principles, and findings of fact, but even a fair number of the remedies. (Then a fair number get opposed, and refined or don't pass, but he does do most of the initial work.) Do you believe this is: right; neither right nor wrong but acceptable; or wrong? When you get elected, what do you plan to do about it?
For those who are administrators only - how do you feel about non-administrators on the arbcom? Note that while "sure, let them on if they get elected" is an easy answer, there are issues with not having the ability to view deleted articles, and either not earning the community trust enough to become an admin, or not wanting the commensurate duties. Or do you believe that non-administrators are a group that need representation on the arbcom?