Iran is definitely it the only one that enforces death penalty for homosexuality. Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, North Nigeria, Sudan, Afghanistan and the United Arab Emirates enforce it and often accuse homosexuals of other charges as well. Taxydromeio ( talk) 14:42, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit the world map, but just to say that Ireland should be coloured in blue on the world map. Currently it's coloured in blue only on the European map. Civil partnerships are recognised in Ireland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.124.227 ( talk) 17:33, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Maine should be back to blue now please because the "people's veto" passed by 52 percent repealing the gay marriage law on November 3, 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.207.230 ( talk) 02:06, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to edit the map, but the POrtugal info here is wrong. While the Portugese Parliament did have a positive vote on an SSM bill, the bill still has to go through committee, get voted on by Parliament again, and get a presidential signature before becoming law see this to confirm. - Nat Gertler ( talk) 23:59, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Note and update:
http://www.ontopmag.com/searchResults.aspx?q=Portugal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.207.230 ( talk) 14:29, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
So, WP:BRD and all that: what about this proposed new map? I think it's an improvement because (a) it distinguishes between civil unions that are marriage except the name and those that are distinctly less than marriage; and (b) it's a better colour scheme than the current one - I've noted in the past a couple of complaints that the "marriage" and "death-penalty" colours in the current scheme are visually not so distinguishable on certain monitors. (That's kind of why I drew up the new map, for which I used the ColorBrewer to choose a sensible color scheme.) - htonl ( talk) 22:37, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Two points about the map above. First, the light green is problematic because for those with red-green colorblindness (affecting as many as 1 in 10 people) it may be confused with the pink, while for those with total colorblindness it may also be confused with the light blue. A possible workaround would be applying some sort of texture, such as diagonal bars. Second, the wording of the various categories under the "Homosexual acts legal" heading is confusing. For instance, "Recognized, but not performed" refers to marriage, but that's not immediately obvious, since the boldface heading refers to homosexual acts. I wonder whether it would be better to have two separate maps, one addressing the legal status of homosexual activity and the other dealing only with marriage equality. Rivertorch ( talk) 21:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Ron, you may disagree with the judgements of the ILGA, but that's where we start getting into OR. We might be able to make a non-judgemental map, if we have the sources: which states allow adoption, inheritance, etc. (For all I know, some allow marriage but not adoption, since marriage alone does not qualify you for adoption.) We could also have a series of maps: one for adoption, one for taxation, etc. if it's too complicated to combine them. Of course, things are changing so fast that maintaining them might be impractical. But if we're going to make judgement calls, which several of us think is useful, we need an external source rather than using our own judgements. — kwami ( talk) 20:50, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Same-sex marriage legal now
See here for a discussion about changing "homosexual" to "same-sex" CTF83! 23:59, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Just further on this (since there have been a couple of recent attempts to change it) - I looked at the first country listed at LGBT rights by country or territory (Algeria) and LGBT rights in Algeria quotes Article 338, "Anyone guilty of a homosexual act is punishable with imprisonment of between 2 months and two years..." so "homosexual acts" seems appropriate in describing the legal situation. St Anselm ( talk) 10:33, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Same-sex unions recognized Marriage recognized but not performed Other type of partnership (or unregistered cohabitation) | Gay and lesbian sex acts illegal Minimal penalty Heavy penalty Up to life in prison Death penalty Rings indicate local or case-by-case application. |
I'd like to propose an alternative to the suggestions: What about something along the lines of Same-gender relationships legal/illegal or Same-gender sexual activity legal/illegal? That seems to cover everything well. -- Interested Anon.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.134.220.140 ( talk) 17:10, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Could anyone change Alagoas, Bahia, Piauí and São Paulo on this map? Ron 1987 ( talk) 18:16, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Already done
This is the English Wikipedia. "Homosexual acts" sounds clinical. See Avoiding Heterosexual Bias in Language. Furthermore, same-sex unions are not mere "acts," as it includes various other components ranging from romantic attraction to legal status. Finally, non-sexual behaviour is also penalized in some countries. For example, this Cameroonian got jailed for texting 'I'm in love with you' to another man. [1]. "Same-sex relationships," is -therefore- more encompassing and precise. Cavann ( talk) 22:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
In any case, this is my current suggestion ("recognition" for same-sex unions and "persecution" for criminalization) based on ILGA map wording [4] (perhaps with a note such as this like on the ILGA map: "These laws are aimed at lesbians, gay men and bisexuals and at same-sex activities and relationships. At times, they also apply to trans and intersex people.") Cavann ( talk) 23:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Persecution can be perpetrated against an individual as much for the fact of being LGBT, as for acts associated with the status. If harsh punishment is attracted by the latter, “it is scarcely possible that homosexuals are otherwise treated with dignity and respect”...being compelled to forsake or conceal one’s sexual orientation and gender identity, where this is instigated or condoned by the State, may amount to persecution...Criminal laws prohibiting same-sex consensual relations between adults have been found to be both discriminatory and to constitute a violation of the right to privacy.25 The very existence of such laws, irrespective of whether they are enforced and the severity of the penalties they impose, may have far-reaching effects on LGBT persons’ enjoyment of their fundamental human rights.26 Even where homosexual practices are not criminalized by specific provisions, others directed at homosexual sex such as those proscribing “carnal acts against the order of nature” and other crimes, such as “undermining public morality” or “immoral gratification of sexual desires”, may be relevant for the assessment of the claim.
Article 629.- Homosexual and other Indecent Acts.
“Whoever performs with another person of the same sex a homosexual act, or any other indecent act, is punishable with simple imprisonment.”
In the countries where even e.g. same-sex kissing or love letters is illegal too, what about using "homosexuality and/or homoaffectivity illegal" or "homosexuality [and homoaffectivity] illegal"? I know this construct is very rare in the English-speaking world outside the asexual community, but it is widely common in the Spanish-speaking and Portuguese-speaking ones (for example, media in Brazil talk about the casamento homoafetivo because often it is understood that gay may be confusing due to the reasons here presented), and it is a perfectly valid parallel to homosexuality.
It is generally good because often people confuse acts, identity, affectivity and sexuality altogether, but these laws do not repress just "active" sexual minorities, they can repress anyone questioning the status quo. For example, in Brazil, we had a tendency in 2006-2009 where even heterosexual male emos (i.e. people who are obviously very distant to any sort of gay identity), about my age at the time (11-14, I don't think people are regarded as gay or bisexual anywhere in the West for experiences at this age, and they certainly aren't in Brazil), would go a la Katy Perry just to stand that they have no prejudices and stand for freedom and happiness of everybody (and I trolled a lot of rock music macho sectarians in internet forums saying emos indeed are punker than the own punks for this).
If this happened in Cameroon, they would be arrested (idk if kids can be arrested there but let's say it "isn't Brazil" where only adults are criminally charged and they are 16 or so), so it theoretically is something limiting to everybody (while it affects homoaffective people the most for obvious reasons). As in Latin America, homoaffectivity would be the most appropriate word for both the non-sexual acts (that can be done by "everyone" with typical and entire human mind and body – lol, without taking into account "disgussin'!11!11!", I am not mono-affective to know how it works, so "my bad", please – and is independent of an inherent orientation), such as Argentina's and Brazil's "egalitarian marriage", and the same-sex romantic feelings (apart of gays, lesbians and other homosexuals, felt by anyone bi or heterosexuals and asexuals that are "kind of bi", afaik some ~20-25% of the population). Finally, putting the two together strengthens the meaning that the "homosexuality" in question refers especifically to the acts (a usage that indeed exists and is very prevalent) rather than the orientation, that is inherent. I agree with Cavann that "homosexual acts" is misleading if more than sexual acts is punished in those countries. Lguipontes ( talk) 09:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
US federal law currently recognizes same-sex unions and grants federal benefits to same-sex couples, even if they are in states to do not recognize same-sex marriage. I added a disclaimer saying that US federal law only recognizes same-sex unions, and not state laws recognizing it. I think US should be teal nationwide. Foreign gay couples are no longer being deported since the repeal of DOMA section 3.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/26/new-york-immigration-judge-halts-deportation-of-married-gay-man/ Gay conservative ( talk) 22:13, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
There is discussion in Wikimedia Commons, but -apparently- edit-warring user User:Kwamikagami did not bother to look there [7]. There is some federal recognition [8], but not full recognition. [9] Cavann ( talk) 05:33, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
“The decision means that same-sex married couples will have access to some federal benefits, but will not have access to the full range of marriage benefits due to state marriage bans,” said Mark Daley, a spokesperson for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.....There are more than 1,000 federal laws relating to marital status, including Social Security, Medicaid, and federal tax benefits, according to Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders, better known as GLAD, a non-profit legal rights organization based in New England. And, often, an employee’s “place of domicile” or primary residence determines whether a person may receive spousal benefits. [10]
But we do not say that there is limited federal recognition in New York, because New York is not coloured #99ccff; it is coloured #002255. The 37 states are coloured #99ccff. It doesn't matter how the underlying code makes this happen. Seriously, would it solve the issue for you if I added the 37 other states as separate paths so they can be coloured individually? - htonl ( talk) 00:57, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
If marriage were performed, we'd color it dark blue. The fact that it's not dark blue means that marriages aren't performed, just as the fact it isn't brown means there is no death penalty. Do we really need to spell that out? And if we do, we'd still need to reword because marriage *is* performed is some jurisdictions. — kwami ( talk) 02:51, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Why are there two versions of this map? (This map is more accurate and updated more often.) Prcc27 ( talk) 21:24, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
The Cheyenne and Arapaho Tribes have no law prohibiting same-sex marriage; the tribal law code pertaining to marriage "does not specify gender". The tribal court has issued a marriage license to a same-sex couple. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/gay-couple-married-in-oklahoma-jason-pickel-darren-black-bear_n_4142700.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics Prcc27 ( talk) 21:28, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
It looks like Jalisco needs a ring. http://purpleunions.com/blog/2013/12/mexico-first-same-sex-couple-marries-in-jalisco.html Prcc27 ( talk) 01:14, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, there are many people who have expressed that they are upset with New Mexico being colored blue when technically it isn't legal statewide. This was discussed on the OTHER talk page for "World Homosexuality Laws Map" (Which I have no idea why there are two talk pages...) /info/en/?search=File_talk:World_homosexuality_laws.svg. I have a very helpfully suggestion, I suggest that New Mexico be colored green (Marriages from other jurisdictions recognized) because New Mexico recognizes same-sex marriage performed in other jurisdictions (as well as New Mexico) and also adding a blue ring because "Rings indicate areas where local judges have granted marriage". I just think it's more accurate that way (especially since the Supreme Court of New Mexico is yet to rule on the legality of same-sex marriage in the state). I will also invite the people who are upset by the change in New Mexico to THIS talk page so we can figure out how to make the map more accurate.
Thank you,-- Prcc27 ( talk) 04:01, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Utah looks a little off.. Prcc27 ( talk) 04:51, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Utah needs to be removed. -- Prcc27 ( talk) 02:04, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes Oregon recognizes ssm. However, Oregon's color is wrong because Oregon has an "Other type of partnership (or unregistered cohabitation)" which overrides the recognition. -- Prcc27 ( talk) 06:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Mexico still needs rings; Utah still needs to be removed. -- Prcc27 ( talk) 06:25, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Kentucky recognizes same-sex marriage http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ky-seeks-delay-recognizing-sex-marriage-22698884 -- Prcc27 ( talk) 20:51, 27 February 2014 (UTC) Kentucky needs to be removed. -- Prcc27 ( talk) 00:51, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Colorado recognizes ssm for tax purposes (and allows same-sex couples to file jointly). A (green) ring should be added for Colorado since it is in a similar situation as Ohio. (limited recognition). http://www.leg.state.co.us/Clics/CLICS2014A/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/480C36805CEC7DA187257C300005E032?Open&file=019_ren.pdf
The Scottish Marriage and Civil Partnership Bill has just been given royal assent legalising gay marriage in Scotland, could the map be altered to show this. Gord0227 ( talk) 19:22, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
There should be a green ring for Tennessee. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/court-tenn-recognize-sex-marriages-22919788 -- Prcc27 ( talk) 23:20, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Rings need to be added for Mexico [12] -- Prcc27 ( talk) 05:37, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
If this map is about "World Homosexuality Laws" then why doesn't it include laws that prohibit GLB discrimination..? That definitely qualifies as a law that pertains to homosexuality and is very important to the GLB community. Furthermore, same-sex marriage doesn't necessarily have to be between homosexual/bisexual people because anyone regardless of sexuality can get married to the same-sex. Plus, there's already a same-sex marriage map anyways. At the very least I suggest that laws that prohibit GLB discrimination should be added to this map; but I also think that the marriage/partnership laws have got to go! I will be posting this same message on the other talk page since this page has two talk pages for some reason.. -- Prcc27 ( talk) 01:03, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Crimea is disputed territory, therefore should be stripped with Ukraine's laws. 98.248.157.202 ( talk) 19:24, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
It shouldn't be blue yet, it's only been voted on by one house. Czolgolz ( talk) 11:29, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Now has been approved by both houses. Kallme ( talk) 19:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
The change of color should include Easter Island. Kallme ( talk) 15:42, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
In Russia, a woman just legally married a woman despite the nation's anti-gay laws. They found a legal loophole in the law (pardon my redundancy). One bride is transitioning from male to female and she is still marked as male on her documents. Both women wore bridal dresses. Does anyone have thoughts on this? Should we put a blue ring in Russia for a case-by-case basis? This is definitely a same-gender wedding, but some might say there is (and I almost regret to say there is) a debate over whether this was a same-sex or an opposite-sex ceremony. Personally, I don't want to discount this as a non-lesbian wedding because gender is more important than sex when it comes to dignity.
Should we put this up there?
Note that if this is put on the map it may in the future be disregarded by the government because they're pretty frustrated about it.
For more info on this, see http://jezebel.com/lesbian-couple-pulls-of-first-gay-marriage-in-russia-1656610125 http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/two-women-marry-russia-despite-countrys-anti-gay-laws 98.253.175.243 ( talk) 01:34, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
The map suggests that while same sex marriage is not recognised it is still legal to be gay in North Korea. This does not seem to be the case, LGBT rights in North Korea seems to suggest that it is similar to Russia (no 'gay propaganda'), but with the possibility that some gay people have been executed and killed. Should the colour be changed to reflect this? As the is no clear answer should we just add another 'unclear' colour? CH7i5 ( talk) 13:58, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Is there a way this map could include the state-sponsored killings in Chechnya? Over 100 have been detained and at least four have been killed. Sir Alan Duncan, Minister of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, told parliament: “Sources have said that he wants the [LGBT] community eliminated by the start of Ramadan.” [1]
How is this a significant change? I think it just makes it clearer and less sloppy to use the full term, especially since that's what it links to anyway. I suppose it might be objected to on brevity grounds, but I must be missing something as to how it can be called significant or in any way controversial. I thought "same-sex marriage" was a neutral term. 110.22.123.142 ( talk) 14:41, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Lebanon legalised homosexuality in 2014, so should no longer be orange. ISIS territories have also shrunk considerably. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.38.233.219 ( talk) 23:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
The top court in India had decriminalized homosexuality and other acts of consensual sex between consenting adults. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.188.75.3 ( talk) 06:50, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
China doesn't really have anti-gay laws like Russia and Iraq. It's much more of a grey state.
Is that "Laws restricting freedom of expression and association" created just for Russia and China? No other country falls in this category? In China, there is limit on the freedom of expression and association on everybody, not only gays. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wlyu2001 ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
A few problems with the wording or application.
— kwami ( talk) 07:59, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Foreigners can’t get same-sex married in the Netherlands. Should the Netherlands be uncolored? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:120B:2C41:B7D0:28B8:937E:B9D1:E9B4 ( talk) 16:45, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Akrotiri and Dhekelia are only inhabited by UK military personnel and can all get married if they want.
Taxydromeio (
talk) 11:58, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
AFAICT, homosexuality is not actually illegal in Egypt, but people are still imprisoned. So, should it be tan like Iraq and Russia (and Chechnya), or orange like countries where's it is clearly illegal? — kwami ( talk) 08:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Court in India has recognised that live-in relationship are protected by law even though same sex marriage is not legal. We should change the colour of the map. Taxydromeio ( talk) 18:55, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Sudan abolished death penalty. Could someone correct the map? Taxydromeio ( talk) 19:49, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Please add on the map, Tlaxcala state of Mexico that legalised same sex marriage Taxydromeio ( talk) 18:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Didn’t Bolivia legalize same-sex unions? And also the Mexican state of Tlaxcala legalised same-sex marriage. Can someone update the map? Taxydromeio ( talk) 12:21, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Vietnam is colored light blue on the map, implying that it recognizes unregistered cohabitation. However, Vietnam does not have specific unregistered cohabitation laws. I can provide you with a list of reliable sources.
Kwamikagami claims that: "Vietname - not sure this is what azure is supposed to be for, but Viet has literally 'registered cohabitation".
First of all, what does "registered cohabiation" mean? Perhaps what he meant is "registered partnership", or maybe "unregistered cohabitation". The term "registered cohabitation" does not exist.
Besides, all content must be verifiable. In the English Wikipedia, verifiability means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Anyone can leave a note on the talk page asking for a source. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed.
The accuracy of a statement may be a cause for concern if:
It contains unlikely information, without providing suitable references;
It has been written (or edited) by a user who is known to write inaccurately on the topic;
There are reliable sources supporting two or more different claims.
Kwamikagami's claim about "registered cohabitations" in Vietnam is somewhat misleading. A list of reliable sources are presented below:
The first source states that:
"While the ruling, which came into effect on New Year’s Day, allows same-sex couples to wed without fear of criminal prosecution, Vietnam’s Communist Party stopped short of extending ANY rights or privileges to same-sex couples — the government won’t recognize same-sex unions nor provide legal protection to them."
Source: https://www.metroweekly.com/2015/01/vietnam-removes-same-sex-marriage-ban/
The second source states that:
"The law no longer specifically prohibits same-sex marriages, but says they aren't recognized by the government. It does not allow same-sex partnership either, although the issue has been open for discussion during many house meetings."
The final source states that:
"There is a major flaw in the law. According to Clause 2, Article 8 of the new law, although it allows symbolic same-sex weddings, such couples are neither recognized nor protected under the law. Although Vietnam abolished its ban on same-sex marriage, the law has a very limited effect in practice. If not recognized by the state, such marriages will not be protected by law for matters such as personal and property rights."
Source: https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/the-fight-for-lgbt-rights-in-vietnam-still-has-a-long-way-to-go/
The claim that Vietnam recognizes same-sex unions is MISSING CONTEXT, because without additional information it could be misleading. It is true that Vietnam abolished its ban on same-sex marriage and allowed symbolic same-sex weddings. However, same-sex couples are neither recognized nor protected under the law.
Vietnam doesn’t recognize same-sex unions so it should be changed to gray. Please, update the map. Provide sources of the opposite if you disagree. Cyanmax ( talk) 10:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Please someone update Mexico.. Zacatecas legalised same sex marriage Taxydromeio ( talk) 15:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
There has been an arrest in Russia under their anti-LGBTQ+ laws - would it be possible to change the colour of Russia on this map to reflect this?
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/20/russia-two-detained-under-new-anti-lgbtq-law Jamzze ( talk) 20:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
discussion at commons:File talk:World laws pertaining to homosexual relationships and expression.svg
The map labels the countries incorrectly:
CheetasOnMission ( talk) 10:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Iran is definitely it the only one that enforces death penalty for homosexuality. Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, North Nigeria, Sudan, Afghanistan and the United Arab Emirates enforce it and often accuse homosexuals of other charges as well. Taxydromeio ( talk) 14:42, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
I don't know how to edit the world map, but just to say that Ireland should be coloured in blue on the world map. Currently it's coloured in blue only on the European map. Civil partnerships are recognised in Ireland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.97.124.227 ( talk) 17:33, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Maine should be back to blue now please because the "people's veto" passed by 52 percent repealing the gay marriage law on November 3, 2009. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.207.230 ( talk) 02:06, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to edit the map, but the POrtugal info here is wrong. While the Portugese Parliament did have a positive vote on an SSM bill, the bill still has to go through committee, get voted on by Parliament again, and get a presidential signature before becoming law see this to confirm. - Nat Gertler ( talk) 23:59, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Note and update:
http://www.ontopmag.com/searchResults.aspx?q=Portugal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.148.207.230 ( talk) 14:29, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
So, WP:BRD and all that: what about this proposed new map? I think it's an improvement because (a) it distinguishes between civil unions that are marriage except the name and those that are distinctly less than marriage; and (b) it's a better colour scheme than the current one - I've noted in the past a couple of complaints that the "marriage" and "death-penalty" colours in the current scheme are visually not so distinguishable on certain monitors. (That's kind of why I drew up the new map, for which I used the ColorBrewer to choose a sensible color scheme.) - htonl ( talk) 22:37, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Two points about the map above. First, the light green is problematic because for those with red-green colorblindness (affecting as many as 1 in 10 people) it may be confused with the pink, while for those with total colorblindness it may also be confused with the light blue. A possible workaround would be applying some sort of texture, such as diagonal bars. Second, the wording of the various categories under the "Homosexual acts legal" heading is confusing. For instance, "Recognized, but not performed" refers to marriage, but that's not immediately obvious, since the boldface heading refers to homosexual acts. I wonder whether it would be better to have two separate maps, one addressing the legal status of homosexual activity and the other dealing only with marriage equality. Rivertorch ( talk) 21:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Ron, you may disagree with the judgements of the ILGA, but that's where we start getting into OR. We might be able to make a non-judgemental map, if we have the sources: which states allow adoption, inheritance, etc. (For all I know, some allow marriage but not adoption, since marriage alone does not qualify you for adoption.) We could also have a series of maps: one for adoption, one for taxation, etc. if it's too complicated to combine them. Of course, things are changing so fast that maintaining them might be impractical. But if we're going to make judgement calls, which several of us think is useful, we need an external source rather than using our own judgements. — kwami ( talk) 20:50, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Same-sex marriage legal now
See here for a discussion about changing "homosexual" to "same-sex" CTF83! 23:59, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
Just further on this (since there have been a couple of recent attempts to change it) - I looked at the first country listed at LGBT rights by country or territory (Algeria) and LGBT rights in Algeria quotes Article 338, "Anyone guilty of a homosexual act is punishable with imprisonment of between 2 months and two years..." so "homosexual acts" seems appropriate in describing the legal situation. St Anselm ( talk) 10:33, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Same-sex unions recognized Marriage recognized but not performed Other type of partnership (or unregistered cohabitation) | Gay and lesbian sex acts illegal Minimal penalty Heavy penalty Up to life in prison Death penalty Rings indicate local or case-by-case application. |
I'd like to propose an alternative to the suggestions: What about something along the lines of Same-gender relationships legal/illegal or Same-gender sexual activity legal/illegal? That seems to cover everything well. -- Interested Anon.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.134.220.140 ( talk) 17:10, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Could anyone change Alagoas, Bahia, Piauí and São Paulo on this map? Ron 1987 ( talk) 18:16, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Already done
This is the English Wikipedia. "Homosexual acts" sounds clinical. See Avoiding Heterosexual Bias in Language. Furthermore, same-sex unions are not mere "acts," as it includes various other components ranging from romantic attraction to legal status. Finally, non-sexual behaviour is also penalized in some countries. For example, this Cameroonian got jailed for texting 'I'm in love with you' to another man. [1]. "Same-sex relationships," is -therefore- more encompassing and precise. Cavann ( talk) 22:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
In any case, this is my current suggestion ("recognition" for same-sex unions and "persecution" for criminalization) based on ILGA map wording [4] (perhaps with a note such as this like on the ILGA map: "These laws are aimed at lesbians, gay men and bisexuals and at same-sex activities and relationships. At times, they also apply to trans and intersex people.") Cavann ( talk) 23:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
Persecution can be perpetrated against an individual as much for the fact of being LGBT, as for acts associated with the status. If harsh punishment is attracted by the latter, “it is scarcely possible that homosexuals are otherwise treated with dignity and respect”...being compelled to forsake or conceal one’s sexual orientation and gender identity, where this is instigated or condoned by the State, may amount to persecution...Criminal laws prohibiting same-sex consensual relations between adults have been found to be both discriminatory and to constitute a violation of the right to privacy.25 The very existence of such laws, irrespective of whether they are enforced and the severity of the penalties they impose, may have far-reaching effects on LGBT persons’ enjoyment of their fundamental human rights.26 Even where homosexual practices are not criminalized by specific provisions, others directed at homosexual sex such as those proscribing “carnal acts against the order of nature” and other crimes, such as “undermining public morality” or “immoral gratification of sexual desires”, may be relevant for the assessment of the claim.
Article 629.- Homosexual and other Indecent Acts.
“Whoever performs with another person of the same sex a homosexual act, or any other indecent act, is punishable with simple imprisonment.”
In the countries where even e.g. same-sex kissing or love letters is illegal too, what about using "homosexuality and/or homoaffectivity illegal" or "homosexuality [and homoaffectivity] illegal"? I know this construct is very rare in the English-speaking world outside the asexual community, but it is widely common in the Spanish-speaking and Portuguese-speaking ones (for example, media in Brazil talk about the casamento homoafetivo because often it is understood that gay may be confusing due to the reasons here presented), and it is a perfectly valid parallel to homosexuality.
It is generally good because often people confuse acts, identity, affectivity and sexuality altogether, but these laws do not repress just "active" sexual minorities, they can repress anyone questioning the status quo. For example, in Brazil, we had a tendency in 2006-2009 where even heterosexual male emos (i.e. people who are obviously very distant to any sort of gay identity), about my age at the time (11-14, I don't think people are regarded as gay or bisexual anywhere in the West for experiences at this age, and they certainly aren't in Brazil), would go a la Katy Perry just to stand that they have no prejudices and stand for freedom and happiness of everybody (and I trolled a lot of rock music macho sectarians in internet forums saying emos indeed are punker than the own punks for this).
If this happened in Cameroon, they would be arrested (idk if kids can be arrested there but let's say it "isn't Brazil" where only adults are criminally charged and they are 16 or so), so it theoretically is something limiting to everybody (while it affects homoaffective people the most for obvious reasons). As in Latin America, homoaffectivity would be the most appropriate word for both the non-sexual acts (that can be done by "everyone" with typical and entire human mind and body – lol, without taking into account "disgussin'!11!11!", I am not mono-affective to know how it works, so "my bad", please – and is independent of an inherent orientation), such as Argentina's and Brazil's "egalitarian marriage", and the same-sex romantic feelings (apart of gays, lesbians and other homosexuals, felt by anyone bi or heterosexuals and asexuals that are "kind of bi", afaik some ~20-25% of the population). Finally, putting the two together strengthens the meaning that the "homosexuality" in question refers especifically to the acts (a usage that indeed exists and is very prevalent) rather than the orientation, that is inherent. I agree with Cavann that "homosexual acts" is misleading if more than sexual acts is punished in those countries. Lguipontes ( talk) 09:14, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
US federal law currently recognizes same-sex unions and grants federal benefits to same-sex couples, even if they are in states to do not recognize same-sex marriage. I added a disclaimer saying that US federal law only recognizes same-sex unions, and not state laws recognizing it. I think US should be teal nationwide. Foreign gay couples are no longer being deported since the repeal of DOMA section 3.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/26/new-york-immigration-judge-halts-deportation-of-married-gay-man/ Gay conservative ( talk) 22:13, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
There is discussion in Wikimedia Commons, but -apparently- edit-warring user User:Kwamikagami did not bother to look there [7]. There is some federal recognition [8], but not full recognition. [9] Cavann ( talk) 05:33, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
“The decision means that same-sex married couples will have access to some federal benefits, but will not have access to the full range of marriage benefits due to state marriage bans,” said Mark Daley, a spokesperson for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.....There are more than 1,000 federal laws relating to marital status, including Social Security, Medicaid, and federal tax benefits, according to Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders, better known as GLAD, a non-profit legal rights organization based in New England. And, often, an employee’s “place of domicile” or primary residence determines whether a person may receive spousal benefits. [10]
But we do not say that there is limited federal recognition in New York, because New York is not coloured #99ccff; it is coloured #002255. The 37 states are coloured #99ccff. It doesn't matter how the underlying code makes this happen. Seriously, would it solve the issue for you if I added the 37 other states as separate paths so they can be coloured individually? - htonl ( talk) 00:57, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
If marriage were performed, we'd color it dark blue. The fact that it's not dark blue means that marriages aren't performed, just as the fact it isn't brown means there is no death penalty. Do we really need to spell that out? And if we do, we'd still need to reword because marriage *is* performed is some jurisdictions. — kwami ( talk) 02:51, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Why are there two versions of this map? (This map is more accurate and updated more often.) Prcc27 ( talk) 21:24, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
The Cheyenne and Arapaho Tribes have no law prohibiting same-sex marriage; the tribal law code pertaining to marriage "does not specify gender". The tribal court has issued a marriage license to a same-sex couple. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/gay-couple-married-in-oklahoma-jason-pickel-darren-black-bear_n_4142700.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics Prcc27 ( talk) 21:28, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
It looks like Jalisco needs a ring. http://purpleunions.com/blog/2013/12/mexico-first-same-sex-couple-marries-in-jalisco.html Prcc27 ( talk) 01:14, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi, there are many people who have expressed that they are upset with New Mexico being colored blue when technically it isn't legal statewide. This was discussed on the OTHER talk page for "World Homosexuality Laws Map" (Which I have no idea why there are two talk pages...) /info/en/?search=File_talk:World_homosexuality_laws.svg. I have a very helpfully suggestion, I suggest that New Mexico be colored green (Marriages from other jurisdictions recognized) because New Mexico recognizes same-sex marriage performed in other jurisdictions (as well as New Mexico) and also adding a blue ring because "Rings indicate areas where local judges have granted marriage". I just think it's more accurate that way (especially since the Supreme Court of New Mexico is yet to rule on the legality of same-sex marriage in the state). I will also invite the people who are upset by the change in New Mexico to THIS talk page so we can figure out how to make the map more accurate.
Thank you,-- Prcc27 ( talk) 04:01, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Utah looks a little off.. Prcc27 ( talk) 04:51, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
Utah needs to be removed. -- Prcc27 ( talk) 02:04, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes Oregon recognizes ssm. However, Oregon's color is wrong because Oregon has an "Other type of partnership (or unregistered cohabitation)" which overrides the recognition. -- Prcc27 ( talk) 06:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
Mexico still needs rings; Utah still needs to be removed. -- Prcc27 ( talk) 06:25, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Kentucky recognizes same-sex marriage http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/ky-seeks-delay-recognizing-sex-marriage-22698884 -- Prcc27 ( talk) 20:51, 27 February 2014 (UTC) Kentucky needs to be removed. -- Prcc27 ( talk) 00:51, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Colorado recognizes ssm for tax purposes (and allows same-sex couples to file jointly). A (green) ring should be added for Colorado since it is in a similar situation as Ohio. (limited recognition). http://www.leg.state.co.us/Clics/CLICS2014A/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/480C36805CEC7DA187257C300005E032?Open&file=019_ren.pdf
The Scottish Marriage and Civil Partnership Bill has just been given royal assent legalising gay marriage in Scotland, could the map be altered to show this. Gord0227 ( talk) 19:22, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
There should be a green ring for Tennessee. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/court-tenn-recognize-sex-marriages-22919788 -- Prcc27 ( talk) 23:20, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Rings need to be added for Mexico [12] -- Prcc27 ( talk) 05:37, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
If this map is about "World Homosexuality Laws" then why doesn't it include laws that prohibit GLB discrimination..? That definitely qualifies as a law that pertains to homosexuality and is very important to the GLB community. Furthermore, same-sex marriage doesn't necessarily have to be between homosexual/bisexual people because anyone regardless of sexuality can get married to the same-sex. Plus, there's already a same-sex marriage map anyways. At the very least I suggest that laws that prohibit GLB discrimination should be added to this map; but I also think that the marriage/partnership laws have got to go! I will be posting this same message on the other talk page since this page has two talk pages for some reason.. -- Prcc27 ( talk) 01:03, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Crimea is disputed territory, therefore should be stripped with Ukraine's laws. 98.248.157.202 ( talk) 19:24, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
It shouldn't be blue yet, it's only been voted on by one house. Czolgolz ( talk) 11:29, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
Now has been approved by both houses. Kallme ( talk) 19:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
The change of color should include Easter Island. Kallme ( talk) 15:42, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
In Russia, a woman just legally married a woman despite the nation's anti-gay laws. They found a legal loophole in the law (pardon my redundancy). One bride is transitioning from male to female and she is still marked as male on her documents. Both women wore bridal dresses. Does anyone have thoughts on this? Should we put a blue ring in Russia for a case-by-case basis? This is definitely a same-gender wedding, but some might say there is (and I almost regret to say there is) a debate over whether this was a same-sex or an opposite-sex ceremony. Personally, I don't want to discount this as a non-lesbian wedding because gender is more important than sex when it comes to dignity.
Should we put this up there?
Note that if this is put on the map it may in the future be disregarded by the government because they're pretty frustrated about it.
For more info on this, see http://jezebel.com/lesbian-couple-pulls-of-first-gay-marriage-in-russia-1656610125 http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/two-women-marry-russia-despite-countrys-anti-gay-laws 98.253.175.243 ( talk) 01:34, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
The map suggests that while same sex marriage is not recognised it is still legal to be gay in North Korea. This does not seem to be the case, LGBT rights in North Korea seems to suggest that it is similar to Russia (no 'gay propaganda'), but with the possibility that some gay people have been executed and killed. Should the colour be changed to reflect this? As the is no clear answer should we just add another 'unclear' colour? CH7i5 ( talk) 13:58, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Is there a way this map could include the state-sponsored killings in Chechnya? Over 100 have been detained and at least four have been killed. Sir Alan Duncan, Minister of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, told parliament: “Sources have said that he wants the [LGBT] community eliminated by the start of Ramadan.” [1]
How is this a significant change? I think it just makes it clearer and less sloppy to use the full term, especially since that's what it links to anyway. I suppose it might be objected to on brevity grounds, but I must be missing something as to how it can be called significant or in any way controversial. I thought "same-sex marriage" was a neutral term. 110.22.123.142 ( talk) 14:41, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Lebanon legalised homosexuality in 2014, so should no longer be orange. ISIS territories have also shrunk considerably. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.38.233.219 ( talk) 23:57, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
The top court in India had decriminalized homosexuality and other acts of consensual sex between consenting adults. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.188.75.3 ( talk) 06:50, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
China doesn't really have anti-gay laws like Russia and Iraq. It's much more of a grey state.
Is that "Laws restricting freedom of expression and association" created just for Russia and China? No other country falls in this category? In China, there is limit on the freedom of expression and association on everybody, not only gays. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wlyu2001 ( talk • contribs) 22:19, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
A few problems with the wording or application.
— kwami ( talk) 07:59, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Foreigners can’t get same-sex married in the Netherlands. Should the Netherlands be uncolored? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:120B:2C41:B7D0:28B8:937E:B9D1:E9B4 ( talk) 16:45, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Akrotiri and Dhekelia are only inhabited by UK military personnel and can all get married if they want.
Taxydromeio (
talk) 11:58, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
AFAICT, homosexuality is not actually illegal in Egypt, but people are still imprisoned. So, should it be tan like Iraq and Russia (and Chechnya), or orange like countries where's it is clearly illegal? — kwami ( talk) 08:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Court in India has recognised that live-in relationship are protected by law even though same sex marriage is not legal. We should change the colour of the map. Taxydromeio ( talk) 18:55, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
Sudan abolished death penalty. Could someone correct the map? Taxydromeio ( talk) 19:49, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
Please add on the map, Tlaxcala state of Mexico that legalised same sex marriage Taxydromeio ( talk) 18:21, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Didn’t Bolivia legalize same-sex unions? And also the Mexican state of Tlaxcala legalised same-sex marriage. Can someone update the map? Taxydromeio ( talk) 12:21, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
Vietnam is colored light blue on the map, implying that it recognizes unregistered cohabitation. However, Vietnam does not have specific unregistered cohabitation laws. I can provide you with a list of reliable sources.
Kwamikagami claims that: "Vietname - not sure this is what azure is supposed to be for, but Viet has literally 'registered cohabitation".
First of all, what does "registered cohabiation" mean? Perhaps what he meant is "registered partnership", or maybe "unregistered cohabitation". The term "registered cohabitation" does not exist.
Besides, all content must be verifiable. In the English Wikipedia, verifiability means other people using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Anyone can leave a note on the talk page asking for a source. Any material that needs a source but does not have one may be removed.
The accuracy of a statement may be a cause for concern if:
It contains unlikely information, without providing suitable references;
It has been written (or edited) by a user who is known to write inaccurately on the topic;
There are reliable sources supporting two or more different claims.
Kwamikagami's claim about "registered cohabitations" in Vietnam is somewhat misleading. A list of reliable sources are presented below:
The first source states that:
"While the ruling, which came into effect on New Year’s Day, allows same-sex couples to wed without fear of criminal prosecution, Vietnam’s Communist Party stopped short of extending ANY rights or privileges to same-sex couples — the government won’t recognize same-sex unions nor provide legal protection to them."
Source: https://www.metroweekly.com/2015/01/vietnam-removes-same-sex-marriage-ban/
The second source states that:
"The law no longer specifically prohibits same-sex marriages, but says they aren't recognized by the government. It does not allow same-sex partnership either, although the issue has been open for discussion during many house meetings."
The final source states that:
"There is a major flaw in the law. According to Clause 2, Article 8 of the new law, although it allows symbolic same-sex weddings, such couples are neither recognized nor protected under the law. Although Vietnam abolished its ban on same-sex marriage, the law has a very limited effect in practice. If not recognized by the state, such marriages will not be protected by law for matters such as personal and property rights."
Source: https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/the-fight-for-lgbt-rights-in-vietnam-still-has-a-long-way-to-go/
The claim that Vietnam recognizes same-sex unions is MISSING CONTEXT, because without additional information it could be misleading. It is true that Vietnam abolished its ban on same-sex marriage and allowed symbolic same-sex weddings. However, same-sex couples are neither recognized nor protected under the law.
Vietnam doesn’t recognize same-sex unions so it should be changed to gray. Please, update the map. Provide sources of the opposite if you disagree. Cyanmax ( talk) 10:54, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Please someone update Mexico.. Zacatecas legalised same sex marriage Taxydromeio ( talk) 15:48, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
There has been an arrest in Russia under their anti-LGBTQ+ laws - would it be possible to change the colour of Russia on this map to reflect this?
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/20/russia-two-detained-under-new-anti-lgbtq-law Jamzze ( talk) 20:07, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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The map labels the countries incorrectly:
CheetasOnMission ( talk) 10:16, 15 April 2024 (UTC)