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I think it would be nice to clarify in the documentation that this template is for use only when the name is more specific and not when the redirect's scope or topic is more specific. For example, this template has been used frequently for redirects created at a species binomial name to an article on the genus when the genus contains many species. Those redirects should be deleted, as redirects are for articles covering the same concept or topic under a different name. Not quite sure how to present that in the documentation, though. Thoughts? Rkitko ( talk) 12:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
{{
R from alternative name}}
; it's a sister template to {{
R from short name}}
, etc.
Agrinio, Greece redirecting to
Agrinio needs {{
R from specific geographic name}}
or one of its more specific variants. I agree that {{
R from more specific name}}
should not be used to redirect species articles to genus article unless they're monotypic. Except for that kind of case, species should not redir to genus articles at all, for the link-loop reason given above. If I linked to a species and got a redlink, I would divide that up temporarily like [[Genus_name|Genus_name]] [[Genus_name species_name|species_name]]
, so that there is a blue-link present that goes to the genus, but the species name remains redlinked, since there's a general consensus that such redlinks inspire article creation. Looking through "what links here", I can see some uses that don't make sense.
Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire isn't a more specific name than
Order of the British Empire; titles issued by the order are a subtopic of the order, and so should use {{
R from subtopic}}
. Same goes for
Weighted harmonic mean redirecting to
Harmonic mean; that one should use both {{
R from subtopic}}
and {{
R to subsection}}
. The template also doesn't belong on
Mouillé redirecting to
Palatal consonant; it's a subtopic, and should really redir to
Palatalization (sound change)#Mouillé anyway. The use of this template on the redirect
Big Jake to
Big Jake (film) makes no sense at all (and the existence of the redir suggests that the article should be moved, anyway). The redir from
Schtick to
Schtick (disc game) is the same kind of case. I've fixed these bad examples as I go. Good examples of the template's use include
King of spades redirecting to
King (playing card); the king card has four more specific names, none of which are subtopics from a WP point of view.
Military monastic order ->
Military order (monastic society) also works, since "military monastic order" is a more specific name for the same thing as "military order" in the monastic sense, which is the primary topic for "military order".
Fifteenth chord ->
Extended chord is a good example; it's one of various specific cases of the topic of the general article, but unlikely to become a subtopic with its own section. A borderline case is redirecting
Green chile and
Red chile (spelled thus, in the New Mexico way) to
Chili pepper, since those actually could be articles in their own right, like
Jalapeño pepper, or at least subtopics treated separately, e.g. in their own sections or in a section on Southwestern [US] cuisine. If they were treated separately like that, use {{
R from subtopic}}
and if appropriate, {{
R to subsection}}
. All of
Baillon's shearwater,
Tropical shearwater,
Bannerman's shearwater,
Mascarene shearwater and
Persian shearwater can use this template to redir to
Audubon's shearwater, as they are named populations of that species, not certainly classified as subspecies, nor their own species, and are not separately covered at the article as subtopics, but only mentioned in passing. I have other stuff to do, but a cursory inspection suggests that about 85% of the uses of this template should be replaced with another one, usually {{
R from subtopic}}
. Short analogy: "my pets" is a topic; "my cat" and "my dog" are subtopics; "my cat when sleeping" and "my dog in the back yard" are more specific names, in this case for different states of those subtopics. I'll try to update the documentation to forestall more inappropriate uses of this template. —
SMcCandlish ☺
☏
¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 15:28, 22 May 2015 (UTC)PS: Another good example is
Western olive sunbird ->
Olive sunbird; it's a subspecies not covered in any depth and unlikely ever to be. If that changes and we have a whole section for it at some point, then use {{
R from subtopic}}
{{
R to subsection}}
. Another bad example is
Long-tailed hermit hummingbird ->
Long-tailed hermit; that's a case of {{
R from long name}}
. —
SMcCandlish ☺
☏
¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 15:49, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
PS: The species cases really need {{
R from species to genus}}
; that template alias points to {{
R from subtopic}}
, but the labeling is correct for that case, and the template at some point could be converted to a special template and category for that case specifically. —
SMcCandlish ☺
☏
¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 14:23, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Template:R from subspecies to species. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 29#Template:R from subspecies to species until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 ( talk) 18:46, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
The redirect Template:R from subtitle has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 4 § Template:R from subtitle until a consensus is reached. — a smart kitten[ meow 09:55, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
Template:R from more specific name is permanently
protected from editing because it is a
heavily used or highly visible template. Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by
consensus, editors may use {{
edit template-protected}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's
documentation to add usage notes or
categories.
Any contributor may edit the template's sandbox. This template does not have a testcases subpage. You can create the testcases subpage here. |
Redirect Template‑class | |||||||
|
I think it would be nice to clarify in the documentation that this template is for use only when the name is more specific and not when the redirect's scope or topic is more specific. For example, this template has been used frequently for redirects created at a species binomial name to an article on the genus when the genus contains many species. Those redirects should be deleted, as redirects are for articles covering the same concept or topic under a different name. Not quite sure how to present that in the documentation, though. Thoughts? Rkitko ( talk) 12:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
{{
R from alternative name}}
; it's a sister template to {{
R from short name}}
, etc.
Agrinio, Greece redirecting to
Agrinio needs {{
R from specific geographic name}}
or one of its more specific variants. I agree that {{
R from more specific name}}
should not be used to redirect species articles to genus article unless they're monotypic. Except for that kind of case, species should not redir to genus articles at all, for the link-loop reason given above. If I linked to a species and got a redlink, I would divide that up temporarily like [[Genus_name|Genus_name]] [[Genus_name species_name|species_name]]
, so that there is a blue-link present that goes to the genus, but the species name remains redlinked, since there's a general consensus that such redlinks inspire article creation. Looking through "what links here", I can see some uses that don't make sense.
Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire isn't a more specific name than
Order of the British Empire; titles issued by the order are a subtopic of the order, and so should use {{
R from subtopic}}
. Same goes for
Weighted harmonic mean redirecting to
Harmonic mean; that one should use both {{
R from subtopic}}
and {{
R to subsection}}
. The template also doesn't belong on
Mouillé redirecting to
Palatal consonant; it's a subtopic, and should really redir to
Palatalization (sound change)#Mouillé anyway. The use of this template on the redirect
Big Jake to
Big Jake (film) makes no sense at all (and the existence of the redir suggests that the article should be moved, anyway). The redir from
Schtick to
Schtick (disc game) is the same kind of case. I've fixed these bad examples as I go. Good examples of the template's use include
King of spades redirecting to
King (playing card); the king card has four more specific names, none of which are subtopics from a WP point of view.
Military monastic order ->
Military order (monastic society) also works, since "military monastic order" is a more specific name for the same thing as "military order" in the monastic sense, which is the primary topic for "military order".
Fifteenth chord ->
Extended chord is a good example; it's one of various specific cases of the topic of the general article, but unlikely to become a subtopic with its own section. A borderline case is redirecting
Green chile and
Red chile (spelled thus, in the New Mexico way) to
Chili pepper, since those actually could be articles in their own right, like
Jalapeño pepper, or at least subtopics treated separately, e.g. in their own sections or in a section on Southwestern [US] cuisine. If they were treated separately like that, use {{
R from subtopic}}
and if appropriate, {{
R to subsection}}
. All of
Baillon's shearwater,
Tropical shearwater,
Bannerman's shearwater,
Mascarene shearwater and
Persian shearwater can use this template to redir to
Audubon's shearwater, as they are named populations of that species, not certainly classified as subspecies, nor their own species, and are not separately covered at the article as subtopics, but only mentioned in passing. I have other stuff to do, but a cursory inspection suggests that about 85% of the uses of this template should be replaced with another one, usually {{
R from subtopic}}
. Short analogy: "my pets" is a topic; "my cat" and "my dog" are subtopics; "my cat when sleeping" and "my dog in the back yard" are more specific names, in this case for different states of those subtopics. I'll try to update the documentation to forestall more inappropriate uses of this template. —
SMcCandlish ☺
☏
¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 15:28, 22 May 2015 (UTC)PS: Another good example is
Western olive sunbird ->
Olive sunbird; it's a subspecies not covered in any depth and unlikely ever to be. If that changes and we have a whole section for it at some point, then use {{
R from subtopic}}
{{
R to subsection}}
. Another bad example is
Long-tailed hermit hummingbird ->
Long-tailed hermit; that's a case of {{
R from long name}}
. —
SMcCandlish ☺
☏
¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 15:49, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
PS: The species cases really need {{
R from species to genus}}
; that template alias points to {{
R from subtopic}}
, but the labeling is correct for that case, and the template at some point could be converted to a special template and category for that case specifically. —
SMcCandlish ☺
☏
¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 14:23, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Template:R from subspecies to species. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 29#Template:R from subspecies to species until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 ( talk) 18:46, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
The redirect Template:R from subtitle has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 4 § Template:R from subtitle until a consensus is reached. — a smart kitten[ meow 09:55, 4 March 2024 (UTC)