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What is the difference between System-on-a-chip and Microcontroller? Should both be included in this template? -- Kubanczyk 17:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
"microarchitecture" should be "architecture" and "pipelining" should be "parallelism". micro-architecure refers to the electronic circuitry, not the logical organization. architecture is the word for logical organization. and most of the items in the "pipelining" category have nothing to do with pipelines, but are rather parallelism/concurruncy features, most of which are orthogonal to pipelines. (orthogonal meaning they can be used with or without pipelines, and pipelines can be used with or without them.) Kevin Baas talk 16:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I think this template has grown too much as of late, branching out in highly periferal topics, like software, packaging and examples withing sub categories. I don't think this should be an be all, end all template encompassing everything relating to CPU technologies. It's quite a large topic and this template is not benefiting by this "feature creep". Keep the larger issues, skip the periferaltopics, and the subtopics. -- Henriok ( talk) 19:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I want to see it more organized, and many things can be removed as tangentially related at best in my view. -- Daviddwd ( talk) 16:20, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
I am a bit confused about the categorization of entries in this template after it was edited by User:Ramu50 so I reverted it. It may have been confusing before, but is has become more confusing afterwards. There are too many "I don't even know where that came from(s)" to list here as justification, but here are two of them:
Rilak, seriously if don't understand how certain components work don't revert it instantly. ALU and FPUs are subunits of processors, they can be standalone too, a lot of Cyrix processor are FPUs-based. Even a GPU (GPGPU) is a Floating Point Processor.
I put MCM and DCM packaging under multiprocessing, because I think most people probably already know these are multicore processing technologies, and the architecture of multiprocess, multitask, scheduling and NUMA would already be familar. But I guess probably a bad idea.
I put SSD there, because about 3 month ago, I saw Intel might be implanting SSD-based cache in the NUMA architecture in one of their Roadmap pdf I believe. (Note: the picture only showed a concept, planned or not planned is not known to me). -- Ramu50 ( talk) 16:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
That is totally not true that FPU-processor require a host processor, give citation for that. GPU itself is made up of SIMT (Single Instruction Multithreaded) SM (Shader Processor) and doesn't require a host processors. They just have decoders and other units separated from them to achieve SIMD array. Secondly in case you didn't know, MCM and DCM packaging can limits of integrated circuits packaging thus disallowing physical cache coherency if wish.
Motherboard doesn't limit anything and is not part of any components of a computer, it is just a packaging technology, so don't use that example. Placing MCM and DCM is just a reference.
The SSD mention is not true, AMD, Intel, and Sun have all mention of possibly implanting SSD caches before, but Intel were the only one that presented a conceputal diagram in the Roadmap of Xeon.
Get real idoit, OLED is a logic devices, and they are not part of processors, of anyone can implant them in a RAM if they want to. They have been implanted on keyboard, who are you to mock at the technologies. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 22:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be beneficial if this template stayed on-topic, so I have identified entries that I believe should be removed instead of removing it straight away because of the concerns of one editor. These entries are:
After these entries have been moved to better categorized or removed, I will once again review the template to ensure that everything is where it should be and that anything that should not be in the template will be nominated for removal, until this template it right. What does everyone think of this proposal?
With all this removal of entries, I think it should be balanced with the adding of entries. Why not add entries for "things" that CPUs and microprocessors are actually "made" of into the "Components" section such as Adder (electronics), Adder-subtracter, Binary multiplier and Multiplication ALU?
Finally, I think the template should be renamed. It is clear that the title has potential for confusion as it covers a topic that is too vast and it encourages adding every single technology invented that is used by CPUs regardless of whether it is theoretical, experimental, rare, one-of-a-kind, etc. Rilak ( talk) 08:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
So architecture doesn't have 128 bit, because 128 bit is currently only use in graphic card stream processors.
DMA is explained below. Graphic Processing Unit is named GPGPU, because it has some capability of processing audio due to its architecture processing characteristics (aka sampling).
Decoders refers to the CPU FPU instruction decoders, not the complex multimedia codec decoders, that is only present in TV tuners. Encoders refer to the multimedia encoders for encryptions. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 20:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Lambda Calculus is used in Texas Instruments ASIC for military specific applications -- Ramu50 ( talk) 20:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I have already contributed to Larrabee article, before you are even involve in this template. So whether I want to add that info or not is none of your business to be concern with. I am not currently adding it back on, rather making a draft template, if so there is too many list, I will try to collapse it with relevant topic such as Supercomputing, Military design...etc. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 20:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
So after much thoughts on DMA and NUMA. I think DMA does belong to CPU technologies. They are some OS features such as prefeteching, TurboCache that utilize the chipsets' memory but is not controlled by the OS, but rather the CPU / ASICs through the assistance of Northbridge and Southbridge and I think not all CPU components must reside within the CPU. For example, L3 MDRAM is doesn't reside in CPU in some cases.
GMA that utilize the system memory through MMIO mapping can be considered a FPU technologies. Note that even CPU decoders architecture query uses LIFO and FIFO sometimes. I don't know how to explain it, but I think you'll understand better through visually by looking the IBM PowerArchitecture decoders. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 20:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
DMA is an essential feature of all modern computers, as it allows devices to transfer data without subjecting the CPU to a heavy overhead. Otherwise, the CPU would have to copy each piece of data from the source to the destination, making the CPU unavailable for other tasks.
This statement (from DMA article) shows the technologies is design for CPU. Also the cache coherency problems stated in the article proves that it is a parallel computing architecture concern and parallel computing is a mechanims of CPU design. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 16:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Well too bad for you IBM Cell architecture does consider that to be a CPU features. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 02:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I type it wrong, I mean by IBM Cell not IBM Power. Cell (microprocessor)#Overview
To achieve the high performance needed for mathematically intensive tasks, such as decoding/encoding MPEG streams, generating or transforming three-dimensional data, or undertaking Fourier analysis of data, the Cell processor marries the SPEs and the PPE via EIB to give access, via fully cache coherent DMA (direct memory access), to both main memory and to other external data storage.
Also you should give evidence why does CPU technologies has to reside within the CPU, there is no one that claims that, as L3 cache can remain out of CPU die. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 03:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Read this http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-celldmas/ By the way don't tell me that MFC (memory flow controller) isn't part of the CPU, because the Intel Larrabee has a partition cache and information can be migrate it from any other field of study they wish, in this case it is from OS. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 03:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
So what if they use Synergistic Processing Unit and PPE, that doesn't mean they aren't coprocessors, that being said they are still packaged as the same die, just because they use MCM doesn't mean they aren't part of CPU. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 03:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
You are the one that keep saying MFC reside in SPU, which I never said. I said they are within the same die package as CPU. Any coprocessors mechanism of CPU can be considered a CPU technologies. Intel Larrabee, just an examples I refer to that anything that is implanted in the CPU can be considered as part of CPU technologies.
I am not trying to edge anything. But the fact is CPU technologies are already changing dramatically by improving technologies from other fields of science and they should be inclusive, because many companies have obviously unable to achieve 5.0GHz easily like PowerPC does. Not saying we should favor PowerPC technologies, but we should try to be more openminded about recognize any technologies that has been successful thus far.
Side note thinking (just for refernece) Isn't it obvious Intel quad core failed miserably, that is why they copied AMD quad core topological architecture and Larrabee is using P45 core instead core microarchitecture which was sucessful. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 04:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I refer to that anything that is implanted in the CPU can be considered as part of CPU technologies
DMA is part of CPU technologies, contrary to traditional memory controller, DMA is the only memory technology that uses x86 instruction on multiprocessor System-on-Chip, therefore it satisfy the definition of a coprocessors. Coprocessors are meant to handle Instruction Set Architecture (depending on what type of architecture, obviously the instruction will vary from each to another e.g. (CISC, CISC-RISC (x86), VLIW...etc.)
Article: Scratchpad RAM
It can be considered as similar to an L1 cache in that it is the memory next closest to the ALU's after the internal registers, with explicit instructions to move data from and to main memory, often using DMA-based data transfer.
The move refers to MOV (x86 instruction).
In addition, other memory implementations such as ECC (cyclic redundancy checks),
EPP and
XMP are not CPU technologies. XMP and EPP are both concerned with memory specific enhancement (e.g. reducing latencies) and contribute absolutely nothing is assisting the CPU processing. By processing I mean the execution of a program used in Computer Science. (
Process (computing)).
ECC CRC is a programming methodologies that can be used in HLGL or binary implementations in instruction set architecture, therefore it is not a CPU technologies. It is an instruction set architecture.
The mechanism of NUMA and COMA and other type of memory controller are also not part of CPU technologies, because they are more concerned with the "topological design" and parallel computing design. Also to be more clear they are concerned with the microarchitecture of memory architecture.
Evidence has been sumbitted, and I am replacing them back on. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 20:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
If I am wrong, you should give evidence, in my reply I never said they require x86 (do you mind reading more "carefully"), I clearly said the mechanism of DMA engine using x86 instructions shows a clear mechanism of a coprocessor. Whether you have program a DMA controller or not so what, the fact is your reply as of current shows your inability to provide citation from anywhere and Wikipedia never said you can't quote from other articles.
3) Off-topic from DMA, but: ECC CRC is not just "a programming methodologies". ECC CRC is very often implemented in hardware.
CRC, cyclic reduency check is a mechanism of HLGL (also known as looping in HLGL programming), just because it is implanted or migrated otherwise doesn't prove these are CPU technologies.
For NUMA and COMA I am not going argue on whether it is a CPU technologies or not, some people consider memory controller standalone from the CPU, because in the early design some of the memory controller are consider part of the chipset technologies. Anyhow aside from that I don't think there is further need of getting off-topic.
Specious or not why the hell should I care, does Wikipedia states only one person idea or your ideas matter while all other Wikipedians have to be followers and a fool to follow you. Obviously, so you mine as well shut the fuck up and stop getting off-topic and your unncessary talks page.
Also WP:BRD is a suggestions contributed by Wikipedia and not a necesity, so even try to use use those resources to back up of what you is correct, because this is a place where people agree on idea, not a place where people "promote" their ideas by "interpreting things" in the way they want to. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 16:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
whatever methodologies you think that will work
"This sentence of yours obviously show little insights to your so-called professional acclaimed skills of CPU. Larrabee has a scratpad RAM in case you didn't know"
2a) Since no x86 processor I'm aware of actually has scratchpad RAM, how an x86 MOV
instruction could be involved in accessing scratchpad RAM is a mystery to me.
"I clearly said the mechanism of DMA engine using x86 instructions shows a clear mechanism of a coprocessor."
"The move refers to MOV (x86 instruction)."
These are very definitely technologies used in CPUs. Mux'ing is commonly used to allow one bus to carry several different signals. For example, the same set of pins out of the CPU can carry "address" bits at one moment and "data" bits at another. This is widely used in many CPU buses. It's also used inside CPUs. same reason. Just because you have found the concepts associated with ADC and DAC doesn't mean that's the only thing to which they apply. Removing this from the template "because it's used with DACs" is another example of "a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing." Jeh ( talk) 18:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I really don't see why should expand Parallel Computing on this template. There is no need, not every single CPU processors is built on that technologies and we shouldn't make it so that only the dominating technologies counts. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 18:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
The Flynn's taxtonmy of computational theories and ideas are only a choice of methodologies that can be implanted in CPU accordingly to a systematic design, the very fact that the study of that particular science has no relationship to CPU. Not everybody who work in the processor may choose to be believe a CPU must be design that way and nor should this template be pushed. That is why I also decided to remove LIFO and FIFO in designing the near-final verison. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 01:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I only decided to remove it, because the template is already very messy after the numerous addition of article. Before even editing editing the article, I already could tell the template might be overloading after a while, it just a matter of time. Anyhow stop getting off-topic. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 22:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
First if I was going to be all inclusive I would of kept some of the article in the experimental template. Also if such technicality of multiplexing should be added, then before why did kept on removing bitwise operation and x86 since they are CPU technologies.
Regarding Parallel Computing you guys are making up synthesis on article without evidence. There was no evidence on Distributed Computing nor Grid Computing references that claims they are a form of Parallel Computing. Also if you agree things such as Flynn's Taxtonomy, Register Renaming are Parallel Computing only, not any form types of methodologies. Then accroding to the article Register renaming#Details: tag-indexed register file LIFO and FIFO should be included as it is one of the concerns of the design architecture. Why did you remove it? You guys are making a lot of synthetical crap as you go along the way. You think everybody is that dumb to believe you. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 19:12, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Should we create a subsection under Architecture named "Bitness"? -- Henriok ( talk) 10:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
I greatly expanded the bit sizes - a few list articles would help?, simplified row headings - I left the old structure of subcats but that should probably be removed. More details on the Russian computers would help, anyone? Widefox ( talk) 13:51, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Currently, that section has:
and doesn't have other formerly-but-no-longer-developed-or-sold architectures such as PDP-11 and doesn't have some once-significant and possibly still available architectures 68k/ColdFire.
So which ones should be listed? Guy Harris ( talk) 19:07, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
This navbox contained multiple red links (fixed), and lots of pages not using this navbox, I only removed one (nested Artificial neural network spam) part, please check all other links. – 84.46.53.157 ( talk) 06:15, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
As of September 2018 [update], most of these technologies are broadly applicable to different kinds of processors. I think it might be better to rename the template "Processor technologies". -- Daviddwd ( talk) 16:18, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Here's a list of articles listed under different categories that do not actually correspond to those categories. I propose we remove them from the template, or at least move them to different categories.
I think these could be removed. -- Daviddwd ( talk) 16:50, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
This is the
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Processor technologies template. |
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What is the difference between System-on-a-chip and Microcontroller? Should both be included in this template? -- Kubanczyk 17:17, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
"microarchitecture" should be "architecture" and "pipelining" should be "parallelism". micro-architecure refers to the electronic circuitry, not the logical organization. architecture is the word for logical organization. and most of the items in the "pipelining" category have nothing to do with pipelines, but are rather parallelism/concurruncy features, most of which are orthogonal to pipelines. (orthogonal meaning they can be used with or without pipelines, and pipelines can be used with or without them.) Kevin Baas talk 16:54, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
I think this template has grown too much as of late, branching out in highly periferal topics, like software, packaging and examples withing sub categories. I don't think this should be an be all, end all template encompassing everything relating to CPU technologies. It's quite a large topic and this template is not benefiting by this "feature creep". Keep the larger issues, skip the periferaltopics, and the subtopics. -- Henriok ( talk) 19:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I want to see it more organized, and many things can be removed as tangentially related at best in my view. -- Daviddwd ( talk) 16:20, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
I am a bit confused about the categorization of entries in this template after it was edited by User:Ramu50 so I reverted it. It may have been confusing before, but is has become more confusing afterwards. There are too many "I don't even know where that came from(s)" to list here as justification, but here are two of them:
Rilak, seriously if don't understand how certain components work don't revert it instantly. ALU and FPUs are subunits of processors, they can be standalone too, a lot of Cyrix processor are FPUs-based. Even a GPU (GPGPU) is a Floating Point Processor.
I put MCM and DCM packaging under multiprocessing, because I think most people probably already know these are multicore processing technologies, and the architecture of multiprocess, multitask, scheduling and NUMA would already be familar. But I guess probably a bad idea.
I put SSD there, because about 3 month ago, I saw Intel might be implanting SSD-based cache in the NUMA architecture in one of their Roadmap pdf I believe. (Note: the picture only showed a concept, planned or not planned is not known to me). -- Ramu50 ( talk) 16:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
That is totally not true that FPU-processor require a host processor, give citation for that. GPU itself is made up of SIMT (Single Instruction Multithreaded) SM (Shader Processor) and doesn't require a host processors. They just have decoders and other units separated from them to achieve SIMD array. Secondly in case you didn't know, MCM and DCM packaging can limits of integrated circuits packaging thus disallowing physical cache coherency if wish.
Motherboard doesn't limit anything and is not part of any components of a computer, it is just a packaging technology, so don't use that example. Placing MCM and DCM is just a reference.
The SSD mention is not true, AMD, Intel, and Sun have all mention of possibly implanting SSD caches before, but Intel were the only one that presented a conceputal diagram in the Roadmap of Xeon.
Get real idoit, OLED is a logic devices, and they are not part of processors, of anyone can implant them in a RAM if they want to. They have been implanted on keyboard, who are you to mock at the technologies. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 22:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I think it would be beneficial if this template stayed on-topic, so I have identified entries that I believe should be removed instead of removing it straight away because of the concerns of one editor. These entries are:
After these entries have been moved to better categorized or removed, I will once again review the template to ensure that everything is where it should be and that anything that should not be in the template will be nominated for removal, until this template it right. What does everyone think of this proposal?
With all this removal of entries, I think it should be balanced with the adding of entries. Why not add entries for "things" that CPUs and microprocessors are actually "made" of into the "Components" section such as Adder (electronics), Adder-subtracter, Binary multiplier and Multiplication ALU?
Finally, I think the template should be renamed. It is clear that the title has potential for confusion as it covers a topic that is too vast and it encourages adding every single technology invented that is used by CPUs regardless of whether it is theoretical, experimental, rare, one-of-a-kind, etc. Rilak ( talk) 08:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
So architecture doesn't have 128 bit, because 128 bit is currently only use in graphic card stream processors.
DMA is explained below. Graphic Processing Unit is named GPGPU, because it has some capability of processing audio due to its architecture processing characteristics (aka sampling).
Decoders refers to the CPU FPU instruction decoders, not the complex multimedia codec decoders, that is only present in TV tuners. Encoders refer to the multimedia encoders for encryptions. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 20:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Lambda Calculus is used in Texas Instruments ASIC for military specific applications -- Ramu50 ( talk) 20:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I have already contributed to Larrabee article, before you are even involve in this template. So whether I want to add that info or not is none of your business to be concern with. I am not currently adding it back on, rather making a draft template, if so there is too many list, I will try to collapse it with relevant topic such as Supercomputing, Military design...etc. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 20:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
So after much thoughts on DMA and NUMA. I think DMA does belong to CPU technologies. They are some OS features such as prefeteching, TurboCache that utilize the chipsets' memory but is not controlled by the OS, but rather the CPU / ASICs through the assistance of Northbridge and Southbridge and I think not all CPU components must reside within the CPU. For example, L3 MDRAM is doesn't reside in CPU in some cases.
GMA that utilize the system memory through MMIO mapping can be considered a FPU technologies. Note that even CPU decoders architecture query uses LIFO and FIFO sometimes. I don't know how to explain it, but I think you'll understand better through visually by looking the IBM PowerArchitecture decoders. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 20:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
DMA is an essential feature of all modern computers, as it allows devices to transfer data without subjecting the CPU to a heavy overhead. Otherwise, the CPU would have to copy each piece of data from the source to the destination, making the CPU unavailable for other tasks.
This statement (from DMA article) shows the technologies is design for CPU. Also the cache coherency problems stated in the article proves that it is a parallel computing architecture concern and parallel computing is a mechanims of CPU design. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 16:47, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Well too bad for you IBM Cell architecture does consider that to be a CPU features. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 02:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I type it wrong, I mean by IBM Cell not IBM Power. Cell (microprocessor)#Overview
To achieve the high performance needed for mathematically intensive tasks, such as decoding/encoding MPEG streams, generating or transforming three-dimensional data, or undertaking Fourier analysis of data, the Cell processor marries the SPEs and the PPE via EIB to give access, via fully cache coherent DMA (direct memory access), to both main memory and to other external data storage.
Also you should give evidence why does CPU technologies has to reside within the CPU, there is no one that claims that, as L3 cache can remain out of CPU die. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 03:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Read this http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/power/library/pa-celldmas/ By the way don't tell me that MFC (memory flow controller) isn't part of the CPU, because the Intel Larrabee has a partition cache and information can be migrate it from any other field of study they wish, in this case it is from OS. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 03:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
So what if they use Synergistic Processing Unit and PPE, that doesn't mean they aren't coprocessors, that being said they are still packaged as the same die, just because they use MCM doesn't mean they aren't part of CPU. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 03:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
You are the one that keep saying MFC reside in SPU, which I never said. I said they are within the same die package as CPU. Any coprocessors mechanism of CPU can be considered a CPU technologies. Intel Larrabee, just an examples I refer to that anything that is implanted in the CPU can be considered as part of CPU technologies.
I am not trying to edge anything. But the fact is CPU technologies are already changing dramatically by improving technologies from other fields of science and they should be inclusive, because many companies have obviously unable to achieve 5.0GHz easily like PowerPC does. Not saying we should favor PowerPC technologies, but we should try to be more openminded about recognize any technologies that has been successful thus far.
Side note thinking (just for refernece) Isn't it obvious Intel quad core failed miserably, that is why they copied AMD quad core topological architecture and Larrabee is using P45 core instead core microarchitecture which was sucessful. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 04:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I refer to that anything that is implanted in the CPU can be considered as part of CPU technologies
DMA is part of CPU technologies, contrary to traditional memory controller, DMA is the only memory technology that uses x86 instruction on multiprocessor System-on-Chip, therefore it satisfy the definition of a coprocessors. Coprocessors are meant to handle Instruction Set Architecture (depending on what type of architecture, obviously the instruction will vary from each to another e.g. (CISC, CISC-RISC (x86), VLIW...etc.)
Article: Scratchpad RAM
It can be considered as similar to an L1 cache in that it is the memory next closest to the ALU's after the internal registers, with explicit instructions to move data from and to main memory, often using DMA-based data transfer.
The move refers to MOV (x86 instruction).
In addition, other memory implementations such as ECC (cyclic redundancy checks),
EPP and
XMP are not CPU technologies. XMP and EPP are both concerned with memory specific enhancement (e.g. reducing latencies) and contribute absolutely nothing is assisting the CPU processing. By processing I mean the execution of a program used in Computer Science. (
Process (computing)).
ECC CRC is a programming methodologies that can be used in HLGL or binary implementations in instruction set architecture, therefore it is not a CPU technologies. It is an instruction set architecture.
The mechanism of NUMA and COMA and other type of memory controller are also not part of CPU technologies, because they are more concerned with the "topological design" and parallel computing design. Also to be more clear they are concerned with the microarchitecture of memory architecture.
Evidence has been sumbitted, and I am replacing them back on. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 20:19, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
If I am wrong, you should give evidence, in my reply I never said they require x86 (do you mind reading more "carefully"), I clearly said the mechanism of DMA engine using x86 instructions shows a clear mechanism of a coprocessor. Whether you have program a DMA controller or not so what, the fact is your reply as of current shows your inability to provide citation from anywhere and Wikipedia never said you can't quote from other articles.
3) Off-topic from DMA, but: ECC CRC is not just "a programming methodologies". ECC CRC is very often implemented in hardware.
CRC, cyclic reduency check is a mechanism of HLGL (also known as looping in HLGL programming), just because it is implanted or migrated otherwise doesn't prove these are CPU technologies.
For NUMA and COMA I am not going argue on whether it is a CPU technologies or not, some people consider memory controller standalone from the CPU, because in the early design some of the memory controller are consider part of the chipset technologies. Anyhow aside from that I don't think there is further need of getting off-topic.
Specious or not why the hell should I care, does Wikipedia states only one person idea or your ideas matter while all other Wikipedians have to be followers and a fool to follow you. Obviously, so you mine as well shut the fuck up and stop getting off-topic and your unncessary talks page.
Also WP:BRD is a suggestions contributed by Wikipedia and not a necesity, so even try to use use those resources to back up of what you is correct, because this is a place where people agree on idea, not a place where people "promote" their ideas by "interpreting things" in the way they want to. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 16:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
whatever methodologies you think that will work
"This sentence of yours obviously show little insights to your so-called professional acclaimed skills of CPU. Larrabee has a scratpad RAM in case you didn't know"
2a) Since no x86 processor I'm aware of actually has scratchpad RAM, how an x86 MOV
instruction could be involved in accessing scratchpad RAM is a mystery to me.
"I clearly said the mechanism of DMA engine using x86 instructions shows a clear mechanism of a coprocessor."
"The move refers to MOV (x86 instruction)."
These are very definitely technologies used in CPUs. Mux'ing is commonly used to allow one bus to carry several different signals. For example, the same set of pins out of the CPU can carry "address" bits at one moment and "data" bits at another. This is widely used in many CPU buses. It's also used inside CPUs. same reason. Just because you have found the concepts associated with ADC and DAC doesn't mean that's the only thing to which they apply. Removing this from the template "because it's used with DACs" is another example of "a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing." Jeh ( talk) 18:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
I really don't see why should expand Parallel Computing on this template. There is no need, not every single CPU processors is built on that technologies and we shouldn't make it so that only the dominating technologies counts. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 18:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
The Flynn's taxtonmy of computational theories and ideas are only a choice of methodologies that can be implanted in CPU accordingly to a systematic design, the very fact that the study of that particular science has no relationship to CPU. Not everybody who work in the processor may choose to be believe a CPU must be design that way and nor should this template be pushed. That is why I also decided to remove LIFO and FIFO in designing the near-final verison. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 01:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
I only decided to remove it, because the template is already very messy after the numerous addition of article. Before even editing editing the article, I already could tell the template might be overloading after a while, it just a matter of time. Anyhow stop getting off-topic. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 22:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
First if I was going to be all inclusive I would of kept some of the article in the experimental template. Also if such technicality of multiplexing should be added, then before why did kept on removing bitwise operation and x86 since they are CPU technologies.
Regarding Parallel Computing you guys are making up synthesis on article without evidence. There was no evidence on Distributed Computing nor Grid Computing references that claims they are a form of Parallel Computing. Also if you agree things such as Flynn's Taxtonomy, Register Renaming are Parallel Computing only, not any form types of methodologies. Then accroding to the article Register renaming#Details: tag-indexed register file LIFO and FIFO should be included as it is one of the concerns of the design architecture. Why did you remove it? You guys are making a lot of synthetical crap as you go along the way. You think everybody is that dumb to believe you. -- Ramu50 ( talk) 19:12, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Should we create a subsection under Architecture named "Bitness"? -- Henriok ( talk) 10:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
I greatly expanded the bit sizes - a few list articles would help?, simplified row headings - I left the old structure of subcats but that should probably be removed. More details on the Russian computers would help, anyone? Widefox ( talk) 13:51, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Currently, that section has:
and doesn't have other formerly-but-no-longer-developed-or-sold architectures such as PDP-11 and doesn't have some once-significant and possibly still available architectures 68k/ColdFire.
So which ones should be listed? Guy Harris ( talk) 19:07, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
This navbox contained multiple red links (fixed), and lots of pages not using this navbox, I only removed one (nested Artificial neural network spam) part, please check all other links. – 84.46.53.157 ( talk) 06:15, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
As of September 2018 [update], most of these technologies are broadly applicable to different kinds of processors. I think it might be better to rename the template "Processor technologies". -- Daviddwd ( talk) 16:18, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Here's a list of articles listed under different categories that do not actually correspond to those categories. I propose we remove them from the template, or at least move them to different categories.
I think these could be removed. -- Daviddwd ( talk) 16:50, 4 October 2018 (UTC)