This template was considered for merging with Template:Family name hatnote on 2 August 2022. The result of the discussion was "keep/do not merge". |
I started a discussion here as I believe these types of templates would be less jarring if they appeared as a supplementary footnote rather than a "warning" above the lead. — Designate ( talk) 19:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I would like to propose three alternative variants for Philippine name aside from the usual middle name (maternal family name) and surname (paternal family name) variant. The first alternative variant is for married women: "This name uses Philippine naming customs for married women: the middle name or maternal family name is _____, the surname or paternal family name is ______ and the marital name is _____."
The second alternative variant is for natural children ( Diego Loyzaga for example): "This name uses Philippine naming customs for natural children. This person has no middle name, but the surname or maternal family name is ______."
And the third alternative variant is for natural children who are married: "This name uses Philippine naming customs for natural children and married women. This person has no middle name, but the surname or maternal family name is ______ and the marital name is _____."
I hope you consider my proposal. 203.215.121.30 ( talk) 13:14, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
How about the variant through the stage name? Here this:
"This name uses Philippine naming customs; the middle name or maternal family name is ___ and the surname or paternal family name is ___. In stage/pen name, the surname is _____." RenRen070193 ( talk) 14:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I have tested three additional variants of Philippine naming customs in sandbox: natural children, married women, and patronymic. However, the testing went failed. Can someone please fix my errors? 203.215.120.114 ( talk) 12:21, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
In this Philippine name. The family name is {{{first}}}. Shouldn't there be a comma and lower case "t" in "the"?-- Trilotat ( talk) 01:27, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Maybe an option for married women without maternal maiden name. The template readily assumes a martied woman has a mother's maiden name, when people born outside of the Philippines don't have these names. For example, Anne Curtis, she was born in Australia and therefore does not have a mother's maiden name. We can remove Ojales but the template won't allow it blank. It would ruin the hat note. 49.145.162.228 ( talk) 04:55, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
In the article Jennylyn Mercado, this template is used at the top.
It reads, In this Philippine name, the family name is Mercado .
Can someone delete the extra space before the period? Thanks. —
Bobbychan193 (
talk) 02:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello! Can I ask you about the newly edited version of Philippine name template. I really edit the template by replacing the words "Matronymic"/"Patronymic" intead of "middle name" or "surname" to make it more shorter and more interesting as well. RenRen070193 ( talk) 16:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
In Philippine naming, the word "maiden name" and "surname" are commonly use to replace the "maternal family name" and "paternal family name" in the Philippine name hatnote, as it proved in this links below as it follows:
https://issuu.com/filipinasheritagelibrary/docs/catalogo_alfabetico_de_apellidos?e=18015266/13622223
https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/filipino-culture/filipino-culture-naming
https://www.esquiremag.ph/culture/books-and-art/surname-spanish-catalog-a00304-20191102
-- RenRen070193 ( talk) 05:06, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben you stand is to reinstate this hatnote? You don't want to change that? RenRen070193 ( talk) 10:06, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben Hello! Your stand is maintain the Philippines name hatnote? You don't want to change that? I just want to make this hatnote shorter by replacing "maternal family name" by "maiden name" and from "paternal family name" to "paternal name", respectively. -- RenRen070193 ( talk) 10:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben Why don't you try to read the links above given??? The current revision is too long that is why I make a proposed revision why is shorter than the current revision. I don't want to make a chaos but you should just accept the fact that we should make change for the better. -- RenRen070193 ( talk) 10:33, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben why don't you try to read an article taken from the link I've give to you? I hope you understand the context of an article. Good luck
Read: https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/filipino-culture/filipino-culture-naming
Good day! There's a reason why i suggest to replace the current template to make it more simplier and not repeatable
- Replacing the term "paternal family name" by "paternal surname" instead
- Discard the term "maternal family name" but keep using "middle name" since these two terms are in the same meaning.
Kindly read the following links below:
Thank you for understanding! -- RenRen070193 ( talk) 04:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben Excuse me. Do you remember the original template which the surname spell "ñ" as the same as letter "n"??? Why don't you try to revert, or we should adopt the Template:Catalan name or Template:Portuguese name then do it for little piece of revision instead? -- RenRen070193 ( talk) 10:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben To make a chaotic discussion end, why don't we try to replace Template:Philippine name by Template:Spanish colonial name in every individual article especially Filipino celebrities and public figures since my home country was a former colony of Spain for more than 3 centuries or 300+ years historically??? -- RenRen070193 ( talk) 05:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben Definitely yes, I admitted there is wrong with the template. In fact, almost 4 or 5 years ago, I'm the one who suggested to replace the original one which is a template with a letter "ñ" in the surname, and I'm also the one who proposed the draft. This is my biggest mistake I didn't pay respect to my Philippine culture. That's why I should correct my mistake by replacing the current one. -- RenRen070193 ( talk) 10:01, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello! I'm sorry for my late reply today. Can I ask your ermission to replace the template since the purpose of my proposal is to be more nic and meaningful to our readers especially the Filipino readers??? RenRen070193 ( talk) 05:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Good day!
I'm sorry to say but Im going to delete Philippine name for the reason that this is very resemble to Portuguese name and instead I propose to merge that particular template to Family name hatnote. I hope you understand my decision to delete this. I'm really really sorry but my decision is final. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RenRen070193 ( talk • contribs) 20:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Philippine name has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. RenRen070193 ( talk) 08:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
can you allow me to make a edit of this template before I'm going to retire my account permanently? RenRen070193 ( talk) 05:22, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
This template was considered for merging with Template:Family name hatnote on 2 August 2022. The result of the discussion was "keep/do not merge". |
I started a discussion here as I believe these types of templates would be less jarring if they appeared as a supplementary footnote rather than a "warning" above the lead. — Designate ( talk) 19:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I would like to propose three alternative variants for Philippine name aside from the usual middle name (maternal family name) and surname (paternal family name) variant. The first alternative variant is for married women: "This name uses Philippine naming customs for married women: the middle name or maternal family name is _____, the surname or paternal family name is ______ and the marital name is _____."
The second alternative variant is for natural children ( Diego Loyzaga for example): "This name uses Philippine naming customs for natural children. This person has no middle name, but the surname or maternal family name is ______."
And the third alternative variant is for natural children who are married: "This name uses Philippine naming customs for natural children and married women. This person has no middle name, but the surname or maternal family name is ______ and the marital name is _____."
I hope you consider my proposal. 203.215.121.30 ( talk) 13:14, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
How about the variant through the stage name? Here this:
"This name uses Philippine naming customs; the middle name or maternal family name is ___ and the surname or paternal family name is ___. In stage/pen name, the surname is _____." RenRen070193 ( talk) 14:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
I have tested three additional variants of Philippine naming customs in sandbox: natural children, married women, and patronymic. However, the testing went failed. Can someone please fix my errors? 203.215.120.114 ( talk) 12:21, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
In this Philippine name. The family name is {{{first}}}. Shouldn't there be a comma and lower case "t" in "the"?-- Trilotat ( talk) 01:27, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Maybe an option for married women without maternal maiden name. The template readily assumes a martied woman has a mother's maiden name, when people born outside of the Philippines don't have these names. For example, Anne Curtis, she was born in Australia and therefore does not have a mother's maiden name. We can remove Ojales but the template won't allow it blank. It would ruin the hat note. 49.145.162.228 ( talk) 04:55, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
In the article Jennylyn Mercado, this template is used at the top.
It reads, In this Philippine name, the family name is Mercado .
Can someone delete the extra space before the period? Thanks. —
Bobbychan193 (
talk) 02:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
Hello! Can I ask you about the newly edited version of Philippine name template. I really edit the template by replacing the words "Matronymic"/"Patronymic" intead of "middle name" or "surname" to make it more shorter and more interesting as well. RenRen070193 ( talk) 16:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
In Philippine naming, the word "maiden name" and "surname" are commonly use to replace the "maternal family name" and "paternal family name" in the Philippine name hatnote, as it proved in this links below as it follows:
https://issuu.com/filipinasheritagelibrary/docs/catalogo_alfabetico_de_apellidos?e=18015266/13622223
https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/filipino-culture/filipino-culture-naming
https://www.esquiremag.ph/culture/books-and-art/surname-spanish-catalog-a00304-20191102
-- RenRen070193 ( talk) 05:06, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben you stand is to reinstate this hatnote? You don't want to change that? RenRen070193 ( talk) 10:06, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben Hello! Your stand is maintain the Philippines name hatnote? You don't want to change that? I just want to make this hatnote shorter by replacing "maternal family name" by "maiden name" and from "paternal family name" to "paternal name", respectively. -- RenRen070193 ( talk) 10:18, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben Why don't you try to read the links above given??? The current revision is too long that is why I make a proposed revision why is shorter than the current revision. I don't want to make a chaos but you should just accept the fact that we should make change for the better. -- RenRen070193 ( talk) 10:33, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben why don't you try to read an article taken from the link I've give to you? I hope you understand the context of an article. Good luck
Read: https://culturalatlas.sbs.com.au/filipino-culture/filipino-culture-naming
Good day! There's a reason why i suggest to replace the current template to make it more simplier and not repeatable
- Replacing the term "paternal family name" by "paternal surname" instead
- Discard the term "maternal family name" but keep using "middle name" since these two terms are in the same meaning.
Kindly read the following links below:
Thank you for understanding! -- RenRen070193 ( talk) 04:25, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben Excuse me. Do you remember the original template which the surname spell "ñ" as the same as letter "n"??? Why don't you try to revert, or we should adopt the Template:Catalan name or Template:Portuguese name then do it for little piece of revision instead? -- RenRen070193 ( talk) 10:28, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben To make a chaotic discussion end, why don't we try to replace Template:Philippine name by Template:Spanish colonial name in every individual article especially Filipino celebrities and public figures since my home country was a former colony of Spain for more than 3 centuries or 300+ years historically??? -- RenRen070193 ( talk) 05:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
@Engr. Smitty Werben Definitely yes, I admitted there is wrong with the template. In fact, almost 4 or 5 years ago, I'm the one who suggested to replace the original one which is a template with a letter "ñ" in the surname, and I'm also the one who proposed the draft. This is my biggest mistake I didn't pay respect to my Philippine culture. That's why I should correct my mistake by replacing the current one. -- RenRen070193 ( talk) 10:01, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
Hello! I'm sorry for my late reply today. Can I ask your ermission to replace the template since the purpose of my proposal is to be more nic and meaningful to our readers especially the Filipino readers??? RenRen070193 ( talk) 05:27, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Good day!
I'm sorry to say but Im going to delete Philippine name for the reason that this is very resemble to Portuguese name and instead I propose to merge that particular template to Family name hatnote. I hope you understand my decision to delete this. I'm really really sorry but my decision is final. Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RenRen070193 ( talk • contribs) 20:32, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Template:Philippine name has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. RenRen070193 ( talk) 08:55, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
can you allow me to make a edit of this template before I'm going to retire my account permanently? RenRen070193 ( talk) 05:22, 21 August 2022 (UTC)