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On 1 August 2023, it was proposed that this page be moved from Template:Contemporary witchcraft. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Several templates have recently been produced and added to pages within this general area, namely:
I'm a bit concerned that this profusion has taken place without much discussion from editors who work on these articles. Some articles could conceivably be tagged with 3 or 4 of these templates: indeed, Wicca already has three. I mean no criticism of the creators of the templates - but I suggest that this should be discussed centrally so that there is a degree of uniformity in articles within the same family. If you would like to join this discussion, please do not reply here, but go instead to the talk page I have set up for this purpose. Many thanks! Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 23:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Midnightblueowl said:
I was under the impression that 'Eclectic Wicca' was a term to describe all forms of Wicca that are non-BTW. I seem to remember Margot Adler popularised this term with her discussion of 'American Eclectic Wiccans', a term chosen to include traditions such as Dianic Wicca. See this page for more info, although it's probably not admissable as a reliable source. I'd need to have another look at Adler for that. Fuzzypeg ★ 00:52, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
The 1734 tradition was founded based on the teachings of Roy Bowers, who was very scathing of Wicca: Bowers, I believe, coined the term "Wiccan" with derogatory intent, and went to some lengths to ridicule and denounce the "Gardnerians" (another derogatory term from Bowers). Bowers claimed to represent a quite separate variety of witchcraft. I would therefore find it very strange if the 1734 crowd had adopted the name "Wicca" which their patron saint had so vilified!
...And following a quick search I discover that they have indeed started calling themselves Wiccans! Wonders will never cease. OK, leave them in the list then. Fuzzypeg ★ 22:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that Cochrane/Bowers used the term "Wiccans" either - I thought that the first usage of the term was in the June Johns official biography of Alex Sanders. If so, as far as I am aware, the term "Wicca" hadn't even been invented in it's contemporary meaning around the 1950s. Gardner never called his religion Wicca, he always called it Witchcraft - which is exactly what Cochrane called his, and terms like the 'Old Religion' were used to refer to both. Valiente believed that both were the same religion, just different variations. It is for these reasons that I support the usage which allows Wicca to include all forms of Neopagan witchcraft that have the same beliefs about theology etc. ( Midnightblueowl ( talk) 18:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC))
I keep removing Ipsita because, frankly, she is not notable, as a Wiccan, on the level of the others in the list.-- Vidkun ( talk) 14:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
The list of Notables is too long and it's hard to see the real notables in the forest. Some of these people barely have two paragraphs on Wikipedia, and some are not even Wiccans or Witches, but merely "alleged" to be; much less are they "notable". I will attempt to trim the list after a while if no one objects or does it themselves or comments. Softlavender ( talk) 06:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. — Sowlos 17:07, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Template:WiccaandWitchcraft →
Template:Witchcraft (contemporary) or
Template:Contemporary Witchcraft –This template was originally designed as a Wicca {{
navbox}} and it shows. It was expanded to more broadly cover contemporary Witchcraft, but that resulted in little more than changing the title to [[Wicca|Wicca and Neopagan Witchcraft]]
[1] and squeezing in a few related non-Wiccan links thereafter. It still looks like it straggles between focusing on Wicca and general Witchcraft. While it wont take too much cleaning to fix that, I propose moving this template to make things clearer. The current name is neither natural, precise, consistent with the current naming of its parent serieses. In fact, I would say it is actually confusing.
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Sowlos (
talk) 14:11, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) - 🔥 𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 22:32, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Template:Contemporary witchcraft → ? – As can be seen in the discussion above, this template was moved to Template:Contemporary witchcraft as part of a move to make it about more general witchcraft topics. Template:Wicca lists it as the Wicca footer box. If it is the Wicca footer box its current title is promoting the same type of confusion that the original move was intended to avoid. If it is a witchcraft box, other changes need to be made. The easier route seems to be letting it be the Wicca footer box, so I propose moving it to Template:Wicca navbox. Darker Dreams ( talk) 20:30, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
Neopaganism Template‑class | |||||||
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On 1 August 2023, it was proposed that this page be moved from Template:Contemporary witchcraft. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Several templates have recently been produced and added to pages within this general area, namely:
I'm a bit concerned that this profusion has taken place without much discussion from editors who work on these articles. Some articles could conceivably be tagged with 3 or 4 of these templates: indeed, Wicca already has three. I mean no criticism of the creators of the templates - but I suggest that this should be discussed centrally so that there is a degree of uniformity in articles within the same family. If you would like to join this discussion, please do not reply here, but go instead to the talk page I have set up for this purpose. Many thanks! Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 23:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Midnightblueowl said:
I was under the impression that 'Eclectic Wicca' was a term to describe all forms of Wicca that are non-BTW. I seem to remember Margot Adler popularised this term with her discussion of 'American Eclectic Wiccans', a term chosen to include traditions such as Dianic Wicca. See this page for more info, although it's probably not admissable as a reliable source. I'd need to have another look at Adler for that. Fuzzypeg ★ 00:52, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
The 1734 tradition was founded based on the teachings of Roy Bowers, who was very scathing of Wicca: Bowers, I believe, coined the term "Wiccan" with derogatory intent, and went to some lengths to ridicule and denounce the "Gardnerians" (another derogatory term from Bowers). Bowers claimed to represent a quite separate variety of witchcraft. I would therefore find it very strange if the 1734 crowd had adopted the name "Wicca" which their patron saint had so vilified!
...And following a quick search I discover that they have indeed started calling themselves Wiccans! Wonders will never cease. OK, leave them in the list then. Fuzzypeg ★ 22:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't aware that Cochrane/Bowers used the term "Wiccans" either - I thought that the first usage of the term was in the June Johns official biography of Alex Sanders. If so, as far as I am aware, the term "Wicca" hadn't even been invented in it's contemporary meaning around the 1950s. Gardner never called his religion Wicca, he always called it Witchcraft - which is exactly what Cochrane called his, and terms like the 'Old Religion' were used to refer to both. Valiente believed that both were the same religion, just different variations. It is for these reasons that I support the usage which allows Wicca to include all forms of Neopagan witchcraft that have the same beliefs about theology etc. ( Midnightblueowl ( talk) 18:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC))
I keep removing Ipsita because, frankly, she is not notable, as a Wiccan, on the level of the others in the list.-- Vidkun ( talk) 14:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
The list of Notables is too long and it's hard to see the real notables in the forest. Some of these people barely have two paragraphs on Wikipedia, and some are not even Wiccans or Witches, but merely "alleged" to be; much less are they "notable". I will attempt to trim the list after a while if no one objects or does it themselves or comments. Softlavender ( talk) 06:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. — Sowlos 17:07, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Template:WiccaandWitchcraft →
Template:Witchcraft (contemporary) or
Template:Contemporary Witchcraft –This template was originally designed as a Wicca {{
navbox}} and it shows. It was expanded to more broadly cover contemporary Witchcraft, but that resulted in little more than changing the title to [[Wicca|Wicca and Neopagan Witchcraft]]
[1] and squeezing in a few related non-Wiccan links thereafter. It still looks like it straggles between focusing on Wicca and general Witchcraft. While it wont take too much cleaning to fix that, I propose moving this template to make things clearer. The current name is neither natural, precise, consistent with the current naming of its parent serieses. In fact, I would say it is actually confusing.
—
Sowlos (
talk) 14:11, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) - 🔥 𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 22:32, 8 August 2023 (UTC)
Template:Contemporary witchcraft → ? – As can be seen in the discussion above, this template was moved to Template:Contemporary witchcraft as part of a move to make it about more general witchcraft topics. Template:Wicca lists it as the Wicca footer box. If it is the Wicca footer box its current title is promoting the same type of confusion that the original move was intended to avoid. If it is a witchcraft box, other changes need to be made. The easier route seems to be letting it be the Wicca footer box, so I propose moving it to Template:Wicca navbox. Darker Dreams ( talk) 20:30, 1 August 2023 (UTC)