The Combine aren't really a character - maybe there should be a list of enemies, or is that overkill? Orange Goblin 14:24, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
The template currently lists TF2 as an "official mod," when it is suppose to be released as a stand-alone game (if it is ever released, that is). Shouldn't this be under the "Games" heading? Nufy8 03:01, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Is GC really an official mod? Wasn't it just a total conversion that went straight to retail? Many games share engines from a previously released game, but are not official mods of the original - Jedi Outcast as a total conversion using Quake 3's engine, for example. Should this be removed, or am I missing something? Nufy8 22:54, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I've noticed this charactor is listed as a Major Charactor though it says differently in te article.
Now that articles for them have been created, should Doctor Gina Cross, Doctor Colette Green, and Doctor Richard Keller be added to this template? They are at least as, if not much, much more, important characters than, say, Cubbage. There's also the Decay and Blue Shift scientist Dr. Rosenberg, but his article has not been developed yet.
I ask because I guess according to this discussion this template is already somewhat big. - MarphyBlack 05:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Seeing as Episodes One through to Three are a part of the same story arc as Half-Life 2 itself, I propose this structure:
Based on the mods and Combine sections, which use the same technique. -- Tom Edwards 21:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Should we add these companies (and some other things) to "See Also" part of "Half-Life Series Template"?
I just created an article on the High Definition Pack and I believe it's probably worth adding to this template due to its significance in the HL community thingamabob. However, I'm not sure where would be the best place to put it. It's not a game, nor it is really "Technology". I've placed it under "See also" for now, but I'll certainly take a recommendation for a better placement. MarphyBlack 17:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be listed under "Other (Source):" instead of "Other (GoldSrc):" ? I thought this was just a remake of CS:Source for the Japanese market. - HumanZoom 11:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
These simply do not belong in the template under "main series." Uplink is a gameplay demo for Half-Life. Lost Coast is a technology demo illustrating HDR lighting. It is a major mistake to include them with the main canon. If this content were meant to have been included in the games, it would have been included in the games. Instead it was cut and used for demos. I advocate putting them in the "Other (Source)" and "Other (GoldSrc)" categories. I tried doing this a few days ago and it was reverted. Now I am appealing to the talk page. -- Jason Jones 12:36, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I was wodnerig wheather someone (or myself) could add a section devoted to the Coast and Highwya 17 as seen in Half-Life 2.
Worth separating player characters from "Characters"? There probably aren't enough characters to merit this, but it would make the template slightly easier to follow. Cheers, -- Plumbago 09:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
As for the general consensus of color schemes, there appears to be some navboxes with some out-of-the-box color schemes:
The Vortigaunts aren't an enemy anymore, so maybe we should think about moving them from the Enemies section?
Given that Portal will be set in the Half-Life series, shouldn't it be moved up to the 'Main series'? -- Jordi· ✆ 11:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I dunno, I think it depends on how closely the story is involved with that of the Main Series. 67.172.204.135 03:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, maybe Portal really should be in Main series category. It will be definitely set into Half-Life story universe (it's mentoined in Portal article and references). Polaris 20:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely not, Portal's story is not relevant to the plot of any Half-life game. Even if they do share the same universe, any intertwining of the two narratives is nothing more than a jokey crossover. Portal is a prime candidate for the 'Other Games' section. 134.131.125.49 ( talk) 16:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm removing the left 4 dead link because it has no reason to be on a template named half life series. It has nothing to do with the half life series. You might say, what about Counterstrike and Day of Defeat. Well, those are famous mods for half life and half life two. Left 4 Dead is not a mod and its storyline is not related in any way to the half life storyline. -- Wiki Fanatic | Talk 07:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
This template is, IMO, excessively bloated. With only one section on the actual series, and eight sections on mods, loosely connected games, in-universe material, tech and other minor topics, it's high time we cut down or split the template (as WP:ZELDA has done with different major topics), opting for both simplicity and specialization. It may be useful to use {{ CVG Navigation}} in this case. I've outlined a few proposals on how to split this template.
What says you? ╫ 25 ◀RingADing▶ 14:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC) ╫
I've nominated all of the remaining articles from speedy deletions, with a recommendation of merges into the existing articles on each event's location. -- Tom Edwards 22:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
The template was broken, using Firefox 2 with plugins disabled, on at least two pages:
A mate has confirmed it was broken for him, too. Thus the revert. -- Pizzahut2 23:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
"Key locations" and "Key events" should be merged back into one again as Raid on Black Mesa East was recently deleted, leaving Black Mesa Incident and Seven Hour War the only two working links under Key events (I still believe that the Black Mesa Incident article should simply redirect to Black Mesa Research Facility, but I digress). However, the template has been locked because HL2 is going to be featured on the main page soon, so I can't make the edit myself. The dead link looks ugly. :( MarphyBlack 01:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
This is somewhat continuing the above discussion, but on a slightly different note. I believe that the template can be split up into several games, because looking at the template as it is right now, it's labeled "Half-Life series", yet it covers many games having no relation to Half-Life itself. While I haven't done anything particularly fancy in regards to the layout and design, I made a couple early draft templates of what I think the current template can be boiled down to:
Main series: |
Half-Life (
Opposing Force,
Blue Shift,
Decay) |
Uplink (demo) Half-Life 2 ( Episode One, Episode Two, Episode Three) | Lost Coast |
Other: | Half-Life 2: Deathmatch | Half-Life 2: Survivor ( arcade) | Half-Life: Source | Half-Life Deathmatch: Source | Portal |
Player characters: | Dr. Gordon Freeman | Adrian Shephard | Barney Calhoun | Dr. Gina Cross | Dr. Colette Green |
Other characters: | The G-Man | Alyx Vance | Dr. Eli Vance | Dr. Isaac Kleiner | Dr. Judith Mossman | Dog | Dr. Wallace Breen | Father Grigori | Lamarr | The Vortigaunts | Odessa Cubbage | Dr. Richard Keller | Dr. Rosenberg |
Enemies: | Alien Controller | Alien Grunt | Antlion | Barnacle | Black Ops | Bullsquid | Carnivorous Leech | Chumtoad | The Combine ( Soldiers and synths, Combat tech, Non-combat tech) | Gargantua | Gonarch | Half-Life 2 enemies | Hazardous Environment Combat Unit | Headcrab | Houndeye | Ichthyosaur | Nihilanth | Race X | Snark | Tentacle |
Key locations and events: | Black Mesa East | Black Mesa Research Facility | The Citadel | City 17 | The Coast | Nova Prospekt | Ravenholm | Seven Hour War | Xen |
Technology: | GoldSrc engine | Half-Life TV | Mods ( Half-Life, Half-Life 2) | Source engine | Source SDK | Steam | Valve Anti-Cheat |
See also: | Gearbox Software | Half-Life High Definition Pack | Uplink (film) | Valve Corporation | World Opponent Network |
I'm not sure about the placement of "Technology" still included in the orignal Half-Life series template, but I think this is a much greater improvement at keeping everything in the template closely related. Unfortunately, two game links were lost since I couldn't think of a place where they would easily fit in: Deathmatch Classic and Ricochet. They're not part of Half-Life, yet they aren't part of their own series outside the Half-Life-related games. MarphyBlack 02:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
OK the current arrangement is (in this order):
-- froth T 12:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
As expected, A Man in Pink or the likes showed up to cut down the box. Given no one has actually commented on any further splits of the navbox, I'm assuming there is no objection to this and will just go ahead creating new sub-navboxes for specilized topics. ╫ 25 ◀RingADing▶ 13:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC) ╫
GLaDOS is a enemy but she is not in the enemy's bit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.53 ( talk) 11:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Why where they even removed? They're still player characters and in a game considered to be canon, so why were they removed? I noticed that their articles were deleted without any good reason as well... NarooN ( talk) 04:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
http://www.halflife2.net/wiki/index.php/Wikipedia_Articles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Half-Life_%28series%29/merge -- Barnz ( talk) 22:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
S@bre removed HL mods with this edit under the notion that they aren't HL games. I beg to differ. The reason these should be included is because they are official mods of Half-Life sanctioned by Valve. That is to say, Valve owns these games. The template header states, "The Half-Life series and related topics." TFC, CS, and DoD should be included. I don't see how it is justifiable to leave Codename: Gordon but not those three games. ~ UBeR ( talk) 17:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I know this sounds mad... but is it better just to merge Half-Life template and the Portal template into one template, or maybe link it somehow. TY 203.215.119.229 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:33, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
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The Combine aren't really a character - maybe there should be a list of enemies, or is that overkill? Orange Goblin 14:24, 11 July 2005 (UTC)
The template currently lists TF2 as an "official mod," when it is suppose to be released as a stand-alone game (if it is ever released, that is). Shouldn't this be under the "Games" heading? Nufy8 03:01, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
Is GC really an official mod? Wasn't it just a total conversion that went straight to retail? Many games share engines from a previously released game, but are not official mods of the original - Jedi Outcast as a total conversion using Quake 3's engine, for example. Should this be removed, or am I missing something? Nufy8 22:54, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
I've noticed this charactor is listed as a Major Charactor though it says differently in te article.
Now that articles for them have been created, should Doctor Gina Cross, Doctor Colette Green, and Doctor Richard Keller be added to this template? They are at least as, if not much, much more, important characters than, say, Cubbage. There's also the Decay and Blue Shift scientist Dr. Rosenberg, but his article has not been developed yet.
I ask because I guess according to this discussion this template is already somewhat big. - MarphyBlack 05:01, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Seeing as Episodes One through to Three are a part of the same story arc as Half-Life 2 itself, I propose this structure:
Based on the mods and Combine sections, which use the same technique. -- Tom Edwards 21:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Should we add these companies (and some other things) to "See Also" part of "Half-Life Series Template"?
I just created an article on the High Definition Pack and I believe it's probably worth adding to this template due to its significance in the HL community thingamabob. However, I'm not sure where would be the best place to put it. It's not a game, nor it is really "Technology". I've placed it under "See also" for now, but I'll certainly take a recommendation for a better placement. MarphyBlack 17:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be listed under "Other (Source):" instead of "Other (GoldSrc):" ? I thought this was just a remake of CS:Source for the Japanese market. - HumanZoom 11:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
These simply do not belong in the template under "main series." Uplink is a gameplay demo for Half-Life. Lost Coast is a technology demo illustrating HDR lighting. It is a major mistake to include them with the main canon. If this content were meant to have been included in the games, it would have been included in the games. Instead it was cut and used for demos. I advocate putting them in the "Other (Source)" and "Other (GoldSrc)" categories. I tried doing this a few days ago and it was reverted. Now I am appealing to the talk page. -- Jason Jones 12:36, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
I was wodnerig wheather someone (or myself) could add a section devoted to the Coast and Highwya 17 as seen in Half-Life 2.
Worth separating player characters from "Characters"? There probably aren't enough characters to merit this, but it would make the template slightly easier to follow. Cheers, -- Plumbago 09:18, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
As for the general consensus of color schemes, there appears to be some navboxes with some out-of-the-box color schemes:
The Vortigaunts aren't an enemy anymore, so maybe we should think about moving them from the Enemies section?
Given that Portal will be set in the Half-Life series, shouldn't it be moved up to the 'Main series'? -- Jordi· ✆ 11:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
I dunno, I think it depends on how closely the story is involved with that of the Main Series. 67.172.204.135 03:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Yes, maybe Portal really should be in Main series category. It will be definitely set into Half-Life story universe (it's mentoined in Portal article and references). Polaris 20:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely not, Portal's story is not relevant to the plot of any Half-life game. Even if they do share the same universe, any intertwining of the two narratives is nothing more than a jokey crossover. Portal is a prime candidate for the 'Other Games' section. 134.131.125.49 ( talk) 16:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm removing the left 4 dead link because it has no reason to be on a template named half life series. It has nothing to do with the half life series. You might say, what about Counterstrike and Day of Defeat. Well, those are famous mods for half life and half life two. Left 4 Dead is not a mod and its storyline is not related in any way to the half life storyline. -- Wiki Fanatic | Talk 07:38, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
This template is, IMO, excessively bloated. With only one section on the actual series, and eight sections on mods, loosely connected games, in-universe material, tech and other minor topics, it's high time we cut down or split the template (as WP:ZELDA has done with different major topics), opting for both simplicity and specialization. It may be useful to use {{ CVG Navigation}} in this case. I've outlined a few proposals on how to split this template.
What says you? ╫ 25 ◀RingADing▶ 14:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC) ╫
I've nominated all of the remaining articles from speedy deletions, with a recommendation of merges into the existing articles on each event's location. -- Tom Edwards 22:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
The template was broken, using Firefox 2 with plugins disabled, on at least two pages:
A mate has confirmed it was broken for him, too. Thus the revert. -- Pizzahut2 23:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
"Key locations" and "Key events" should be merged back into one again as Raid on Black Mesa East was recently deleted, leaving Black Mesa Incident and Seven Hour War the only two working links under Key events (I still believe that the Black Mesa Incident article should simply redirect to Black Mesa Research Facility, but I digress). However, the template has been locked because HL2 is going to be featured on the main page soon, so I can't make the edit myself. The dead link looks ugly. :( MarphyBlack 01:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
This is somewhat continuing the above discussion, but on a slightly different note. I believe that the template can be split up into several games, because looking at the template as it is right now, it's labeled "Half-Life series", yet it covers many games having no relation to Half-Life itself. While I haven't done anything particularly fancy in regards to the layout and design, I made a couple early draft templates of what I think the current template can be boiled down to:
Main series: |
Half-Life (
Opposing Force,
Blue Shift,
Decay) |
Uplink (demo) Half-Life 2 ( Episode One, Episode Two, Episode Three) | Lost Coast |
Other: | Half-Life 2: Deathmatch | Half-Life 2: Survivor ( arcade) | Half-Life: Source | Half-Life Deathmatch: Source | Portal |
Player characters: | Dr. Gordon Freeman | Adrian Shephard | Barney Calhoun | Dr. Gina Cross | Dr. Colette Green |
Other characters: | The G-Man | Alyx Vance | Dr. Eli Vance | Dr. Isaac Kleiner | Dr. Judith Mossman | Dog | Dr. Wallace Breen | Father Grigori | Lamarr | The Vortigaunts | Odessa Cubbage | Dr. Richard Keller | Dr. Rosenberg |
Enemies: | Alien Controller | Alien Grunt | Antlion | Barnacle | Black Ops | Bullsquid | Carnivorous Leech | Chumtoad | The Combine ( Soldiers and synths, Combat tech, Non-combat tech) | Gargantua | Gonarch | Half-Life 2 enemies | Hazardous Environment Combat Unit | Headcrab | Houndeye | Ichthyosaur | Nihilanth | Race X | Snark | Tentacle |
Key locations and events: | Black Mesa East | Black Mesa Research Facility | The Citadel | City 17 | The Coast | Nova Prospekt | Ravenholm | Seven Hour War | Xen |
Technology: | GoldSrc engine | Half-Life TV | Mods ( Half-Life, Half-Life 2) | Source engine | Source SDK | Steam | Valve Anti-Cheat |
See also: | Gearbox Software | Half-Life High Definition Pack | Uplink (film) | Valve Corporation | World Opponent Network |
I'm not sure about the placement of "Technology" still included in the orignal Half-Life series template, but I think this is a much greater improvement at keeping everything in the template closely related. Unfortunately, two game links were lost since I couldn't think of a place where they would easily fit in: Deathmatch Classic and Ricochet. They're not part of Half-Life, yet they aren't part of their own series outside the Half-Life-related games. MarphyBlack 02:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
OK the current arrangement is (in this order):
-- froth T 12:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
As expected, A Man in Pink or the likes showed up to cut down the box. Given no one has actually commented on any further splits of the navbox, I'm assuming there is no objection to this and will just go ahead creating new sub-navboxes for specilized topics. ╫ 25 ◀RingADing▶ 13:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC) ╫
GLaDOS is a enemy but she is not in the enemy's bit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.242.53 ( talk) 11:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Why where they even removed? They're still player characters and in a game considered to be canon, so why were they removed? I noticed that their articles were deleted without any good reason as well... NarooN ( talk) 04:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
http://www.halflife2.net/wiki/index.php/Wikipedia_Articles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Half-Life_%28series%29/merge -- Barnz ( talk) 22:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
S@bre removed HL mods with this edit under the notion that they aren't HL games. I beg to differ. The reason these should be included is because they are official mods of Half-Life sanctioned by Valve. That is to say, Valve owns these games. The template header states, "The Half-Life series and related topics." TFC, CS, and DoD should be included. I don't see how it is justifiable to leave Codename: Gordon but not those three games. ~ UBeR ( talk) 17:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I know this sounds mad... but is it better just to merge Half-Life template and the Portal template into one template, or maybe link it somehow. TY 203.215.119.229 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 12:33, 9 December 2012 (UTC)