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On 15 August 2022, it was proposed that this page be moved from Template:Northern Epirus to Template:Greeks in Albania. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Northern Epirus, especially when mentioning Albanian cities, such as Korca or Vlora, implies an irredentist view against Albania, thus weakening the NPOV of Wikipedia. The continuation of the existence of this template would imply the creation of new templates which violate other countries' territorial and political status quo.--
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:I will have to agree with you. A check for this template was asked in IRC, so I volunteered. I made some changes, after checking sources provided in articles. I will discuss this issue with some other users, in order to get some feedback. --
Alarichus (
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I will give specific references that mention presence of Greek population in towns, cities that according to the former totalitarian regime in Albania (1945-1991) were never existent:
The above references are included in the relevant articles, but there is an additional number of books & publications that confirms the above claims.
As for the polyphonic song of Epirus, it is more than obvious that it is part of the people's local tradition (the article is cited). Alexikoua ( talk) 07:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that Greek editors gently remove Polyphonic song of Epirus from this template and also remove the template itself from the article of the Polyphonic song. There is no scholar conclusion to suggest that the song has Greek origins as this paragraph suggests. In fact, Vlachs and Albanians use the song as well. There are several sources to suggest that the song is used throughout Southern Albania (see [2] especially in the Laberia region [3]. I could find plenty of sources to suggest a completely different article. Thank you! -- Sulmues Let's talk 20:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
The fact that the 'Polyphonic_song_of_Epirus' article is in this template does not mean that they are used only by Greeks. Alexikoua ( talk) 20:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
It implies that it is part of the Greek culture. This template reads "Greek culture". The implication is misleading. -- Sulmues Let's talk 10:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Nope, the implication is right, it implies that is part of the Greek culture and it is. If it is part of more than one cultures that's something irrelevant with this template. Alexikoua ( talk) 16:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
It seems that the last days, from the moment the new 'restriction' is imposed, a number of spa accounts (Kushtrim & Stupidus Maximus) and ips have become aware and therefore very active, since they know that their job is much more easier now. No wonder the specific ip, that likes to follow me around [ [4]], didn't lose the opportunity to come here too. For the history, this template was a target of one of Sarandioti's sockpuppet Alarichus, and his removals are almost identical as the ips. Alexikoua ( talk) 22:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Per this [5] new source, the following places should be added to the template, and appropriate changes be made to the relevant articles. Athenean ( talk) 18:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
This template was the latest victim of a spa revert-only ip [ [6]], one of many that know even how to post an edit summary by misusing wp terms, that also mysteriously know how to 'edit' templates. Suppose just by being instructed to follow me around. History proves that it will strike again soon. Alexikoua ( talk) 21:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
@Ath.: Actually, we can use it in demographics section. Alexikoua ( talk) 21:16, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Chams? You comfuse them with the Chams from Indochina. Alexikoua ( talk) 22:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
The template has significant amounts of unsourced and unsubstantiated information such as adding 5-6 Albanian cities with no Greek communities at all to the part of the template that talks about the modern settlements of Greek communities. The articles of these cities do not speak of any greek communities in these cities. Those cities have to be taken off from the template. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 17:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Athenean, you have to excatly show the sources and the qoutes from the sources that Bilisht, Erseke, Tepelene, Leskovik, Permet and Narte have significant greek populations or otherwise the info has to go. I found no sources or even claims in the articles for these cities about there being any greek populations. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 18:15, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Check again this discussion and talk:Narte, we have a number of fine sources. If a specific work sounds somewhat exaggerated you can express your concerns here. But the bibliography is just fine. Alexikoua ( talk) 18:29, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I checked, go read my answer. The sources are 2 and they're far from being fine, and they talk about greek speaking populations and not greek populations. Narte is only one village, either way. No sources or claims in the articles of Bilisht, Erseke, Tepelene, Leskovik or Permet of there being any greek populations. You can't just add cities to your template without having any proof of any significat greek communities existing in these cities. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 18:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Read the 'new source' section's fist line, there is a another source. Alexikoua ( talk) 20:03, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Which new sources and where? -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 20:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
there are some greeks in the district of permet but i too doubt that there are that many...if any...in the town 87.202.6.63 ( talk) 22:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC) in the other areas im almost sure that there arent any...alex youre reaching here be reasonable 87.202.6.63 ( talk) 22:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
alex many of those sources are citing activists, cultural organizations etc who unfortunately exaggerate often..based on the same sources we could speak of hundreds of thousands of chams like balkanian said we need to put these numbers in order some time 87.202.6.63 ( talk) 22:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
If there are Greeks living today that's not the case. We are talking about traditional precense and the geographic definition of 'Northern Epirus'. Take for example Chams template. Chams have gone but they tradinionally used to live there. It's not a demographics template, or if a community is majority/minority. Alexikoua ( talk) 05:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Show me one source that says about there being a traditional presence of greeks there? -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 14:22, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
hmm..i see your point and i dont disagree the only problem is that much of the greek population of 'northern epirus' with the exception of the southwest and himare wasnt greekspeaking but also vlach and albanian which would be a point of dispute with many editors since the descendants of these populations dont feel any connection to greece anymore...but anyway i still have doubts about SOME places for example why would you include e.g. Tepelene at all..it was always an albanianspeaking muslim place (the greek claims in the paris peace conference were quite exaggerated to be honest...) or why did you include Bilisht? im also not sure about the mention of all those northern places (shkoder, tirana etc.) even if some greeks live there..similar is Durres which was inhabited by greek populations along with latins etc. until late medieval times but what has it got to do with greeks in modern times? you dont have to clutter up the template with places of little to no relevance.. 87.202.47.40 ( talk) 14:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
and IMO you should use districts rather than towns becoz theres greek population in the districts but not necessarily many in the towns.. 87.202.47.40 ( talk) 14:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Korca, Erseke, Bilisht, Leskovik, Permet and Tepelene are definitley going. No mention whatsoever in the article of there being any greek communities at all, let alone significant ones. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 17:02, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
ATHENEAN asked: "How do you know any of this? Are you kidding me? Saranda and Gjirokaster for sure have Greek populations. I can see a case for removing Leskovik and maybe Erseka, but the rest all stay." --- gjirokaster but especially sarande have a greek population but for example permet DOESNT...but the permet district does thats why im saying use the districts you dont clutter the template also..can you also argue why tepelene of all places should stay?? korce could stay since there were populations that sympathized with greece in the past and because of moscopole which though aromanian-speaking mostly was a center of greek culture which back then was the high culture of the christians all over the balkans19:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.35.52 ( talk)
What page? Who is this guy? Political parties of Eastern Europe? Hardly believable. All the above cities mentioned by me, will go pretty soon since there is no proof of any greek populations in them. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 20:58, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
athenean this is the least...anyway the districts cover the towns also and the permet district should be included but you didnt tell me why you want to include eg Tepelene..? btw can you give me a page from that source? 87.202.35.52 ( talk) 19:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
i cant see that page...but what i can see is '[omonoia] received substantial support from the ethnic Greek minority concentrated in the southern districts of sarande and gjirokaster' and thats where the absolute majority of greeks are these days..with the exception of himare and as i said before and please keep it in mind its hard to fit the slightly more complex sociohistorical phenomena in orthodox albania among non-greek speakers with regards to greek nationalism in a single template...otherwise we could include even berat which would be ridiculous 87.202.35.52 ( talk) 20:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Rm Polyphonic Music of Epirus from the template. As we worked on that article, that showed the music is NOT apanage of the Greek culture, so if you keep that music in the template of the Greek Culture in Albania, is clearly POV. Thank you and please let me know if you disagree in my talk page. -- Sulmues Let's talk 15:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Also, haha ridiculous for real. It's not also part of neighboring cultures, but is also part of the so called greek comunity in Albania. Polyphonic Music of this kind is clearly Albanian, as it is recognized and protected as an oral treasure even by UNESCO. At best the so called greek minority has tried to immitate the Albanians. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSa1mZrBq1g -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 16:59, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Don't jump to conclusions. It's a UNESCO documentary, it's not simply a youtube video. Watch before you comment. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 17:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Is Polyphonic song of Epirus appropriate for this template? The polyphonic song of Epirus, a region divided between Albania and Greece, is a song that is part of both nations, Albanian and Greek and this transpires from the article itself. This template is called Greek Culture in Albania. Is it appropriate that the article be part of the template? Sulmues Let's talk 18:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
You gave the answer yourself, this is part of both nations, in the region of Epirus: Greek is one of these cultures and so it should stay here. Alexikoua ( talk) 18:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Polyphonic singing is not part of Greek Culture in Albania, since it's part of Albanian culture and it has been so since the beginning of time. If greeks try to sing polyphonically it just means that they're trying immitate the culture of the natives. I say it should be removed from the template. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 19:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
2010 (UTC)
So UNESCO is a lunatic organization?-- I Pakapshem ( talk) 20:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
i pakapshem...sorry but i have to disagree here various kinds of polyphony exist among greeks albanians AND vlachs in some places. its a SHARED tradition and i doubt you truly know its origins and obviously theres no evidence from the 'beginning of time' either... 87.202.35.52 ( talk) 19:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Guys, had I wanted Greek or Albanian editors in this RFC I would have just asked for a third opinion. I want established editors who aren't from the Balkans. Would you please mind striking all of your edits in this RFC or transfer them into a higher paragraph? Thanks! -- Sulmues Let's talk 20:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Is Polyphonic song of Epirus appropriate for this template, which reads Greek culture in Albania? The polyphonic song of Epirus, a region divided between Albania and Greece, is a song that is part of both nations, Albanian and Greek and this transpires from the article itself of the Polyphonic song of Epirus. This template is called Greek Culture in Albania. Is it appropriate that the article be part of the template? Sulmues Let's talk 18:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand why this has been moved one section down. Several editors have already replied above. Alexikoua ( talk) 10:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
This edit is problematic if the template includes "Greek Culture". That's why I moved to simply Northern Epirus. -- Sulmues ( talk) 16:42, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 05:17, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Template:Northern Epirus → Template:Greeks in Albania – Templates for minority ethnic groups follow the naming convention X people in Y country. This one uses the name "Northern Epirus", which is a nationalist/irredentist political term which was created in 1912 and doesn't describe a natural geographical region. The term is POV and doesn't cover the history of Greeks in Albania, which predates the term. If the template included just the Greeks after 1912, it would be reduced. A renaming to "Template:Greeks in Albania" is a)politically neutral ( WP:NPOV) and b) historically accurate about its subject as it doesn't retrogressively include individuals under a concept which didn't exist before 1912. Ahmet Q. ( talk) 22:25, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Alexikoua, why are you adding Moscopole into the settlements section? Moscopole has never been an ethnically Greek settlement. It was always Aromanian, and still is. I've already added it into another section due to its influence over Greek culture at its time. If this message goes unreplied I will revert you. Super Ψ Dro 19:03, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Articles about the history of the Greek populations in the region need to stay. There is no reason to hide the history of this part of the world. Alexikoua ( talk) 19:21, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a red link settlememt with that name. Can anyone link it to the article of a present day settlement/municipality or create its own article if need be? Ktrimi991 ( talk) 13:09, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
This template was considered for deletion on 2009 September 6. The result of the discussion was "no consensus". |
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On 15 August 2022, it was proposed that this page be moved from Template:Northern Epirus to Template:Greeks in Albania. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Northern Epirus, especially when mentioning Albanian cities, such as Korca or Vlora, implies an irredentist view against Albania, thus weakening the NPOV of Wikipedia. The continuation of the existence of this template would imply the creation of new templates which violate other countries' territorial and political status quo.--
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៛ 04:45, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:I will have to agree with you. A check for this template was asked in IRC, so I volunteered. I made some changes, after checking sources provided in articles. I will discuss this issue with some other users, in order to get some feedback. --
Alarichus (
talk) 22:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
I will give specific references that mention presence of Greek population in towns, cities that according to the former totalitarian regime in Albania (1945-1991) were never existent:
The above references are included in the relevant articles, but there is an additional number of books & publications that confirms the above claims.
As for the polyphonic song of Epirus, it is more than obvious that it is part of the people's local tradition (the article is cited). Alexikoua ( talk) 07:02, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that Greek editors gently remove Polyphonic song of Epirus from this template and also remove the template itself from the article of the Polyphonic song. There is no scholar conclusion to suggest that the song has Greek origins as this paragraph suggests. In fact, Vlachs and Albanians use the song as well. There are several sources to suggest that the song is used throughout Southern Albania (see [2] especially in the Laberia region [3]. I could find plenty of sources to suggest a completely different article. Thank you! -- Sulmues Let's talk 20:37, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
The fact that the 'Polyphonic_song_of_Epirus' article is in this template does not mean that they are used only by Greeks. Alexikoua ( talk) 20:50, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
It implies that it is part of the Greek culture. This template reads "Greek culture". The implication is misleading. -- Sulmues Let's talk 10:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
Nope, the implication is right, it implies that is part of the Greek culture and it is. If it is part of more than one cultures that's something irrelevant with this template. Alexikoua ( talk) 16:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
It seems that the last days, from the moment the new 'restriction' is imposed, a number of spa accounts (Kushtrim & Stupidus Maximus) and ips have become aware and therefore very active, since they know that their job is much more easier now. No wonder the specific ip, that likes to follow me around [ [4]], didn't lose the opportunity to come here too. For the history, this template was a target of one of Sarandioti's sockpuppet Alarichus, and his removals are almost identical as the ips. Alexikoua ( talk) 22:31, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Per this [5] new source, the following places should be added to the template, and appropriate changes be made to the relevant articles. Athenean ( talk) 18:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
This template was the latest victim of a spa revert-only ip [ [6]], one of many that know even how to post an edit summary by misusing wp terms, that also mysteriously know how to 'edit' templates. Suppose just by being instructed to follow me around. History proves that it will strike again soon. Alexikoua ( talk) 21:14, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
@Ath.: Actually, we can use it in demographics section. Alexikoua ( talk) 21:16, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Chams? You comfuse them with the Chams from Indochina. Alexikoua ( talk) 22:11, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
The template has significant amounts of unsourced and unsubstantiated information such as adding 5-6 Albanian cities with no Greek communities at all to the part of the template that talks about the modern settlements of Greek communities. The articles of these cities do not speak of any greek communities in these cities. Those cities have to be taken off from the template. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 17:44, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Athenean, you have to excatly show the sources and the qoutes from the sources that Bilisht, Erseke, Tepelene, Leskovik, Permet and Narte have significant greek populations or otherwise the info has to go. I found no sources or even claims in the articles for these cities about there being any greek populations. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 18:15, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Check again this discussion and talk:Narte, we have a number of fine sources. If a specific work sounds somewhat exaggerated you can express your concerns here. But the bibliography is just fine. Alexikoua ( talk) 18:29, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I checked, go read my answer. The sources are 2 and they're far from being fine, and they talk about greek speaking populations and not greek populations. Narte is only one village, either way. No sources or claims in the articles of Bilisht, Erseke, Tepelene, Leskovik or Permet of there being any greek populations. You can't just add cities to your template without having any proof of any significat greek communities existing in these cities. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 18:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Read the 'new source' section's fist line, there is a another source. Alexikoua ( talk) 20:03, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Which new sources and where? -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 20:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
there are some greeks in the district of permet but i too doubt that there are that many...if any...in the town 87.202.6.63 ( talk) 22:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC) in the other areas im almost sure that there arent any...alex youre reaching here be reasonable 87.202.6.63 ( talk) 22:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
alex many of those sources are citing activists, cultural organizations etc who unfortunately exaggerate often..based on the same sources we could speak of hundreds of thousands of chams like balkanian said we need to put these numbers in order some time 87.202.6.63 ( talk) 22:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
If there are Greeks living today that's not the case. We are talking about traditional precense and the geographic definition of 'Northern Epirus'. Take for example Chams template. Chams have gone but they tradinionally used to live there. It's not a demographics template, or if a community is majority/minority. Alexikoua ( talk) 05:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Show me one source that says about there being a traditional presence of greeks there? -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 14:22, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
hmm..i see your point and i dont disagree the only problem is that much of the greek population of 'northern epirus' with the exception of the southwest and himare wasnt greekspeaking but also vlach and albanian which would be a point of dispute with many editors since the descendants of these populations dont feel any connection to greece anymore...but anyway i still have doubts about SOME places for example why would you include e.g. Tepelene at all..it was always an albanianspeaking muslim place (the greek claims in the paris peace conference were quite exaggerated to be honest...) or why did you include Bilisht? im also not sure about the mention of all those northern places (shkoder, tirana etc.) even if some greeks live there..similar is Durres which was inhabited by greek populations along with latins etc. until late medieval times but what has it got to do with greeks in modern times? you dont have to clutter up the template with places of little to no relevance.. 87.202.47.40 ( talk) 14:15, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
and IMO you should use districts rather than towns becoz theres greek population in the districts but not necessarily many in the towns.. 87.202.47.40 ( talk) 14:16, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Korca, Erseke, Bilisht, Leskovik, Permet and Tepelene are definitley going. No mention whatsoever in the article of there being any greek communities at all, let alone significant ones. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 17:02, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
ATHENEAN asked: "How do you know any of this? Are you kidding me? Saranda and Gjirokaster for sure have Greek populations. I can see a case for removing Leskovik and maybe Erseka, but the rest all stay." --- gjirokaster but especially sarande have a greek population but for example permet DOESNT...but the permet district does thats why im saying use the districts you dont clutter the template also..can you also argue why tepelene of all places should stay?? korce could stay since there were populations that sympathized with greece in the past and because of moscopole which though aromanian-speaking mostly was a center of greek culture which back then was the high culture of the christians all over the balkans19:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.202.35.52 ( talk)
What page? Who is this guy? Political parties of Eastern Europe? Hardly believable. All the above cities mentioned by me, will go pretty soon since there is no proof of any greek populations in them. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 20:58, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
athenean this is the least...anyway the districts cover the towns also and the permet district should be included but you didnt tell me why you want to include eg Tepelene..? btw can you give me a page from that source? 87.202.35.52 ( talk) 19:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
i cant see that page...but what i can see is '[omonoia] received substantial support from the ethnic Greek minority concentrated in the southern districts of sarande and gjirokaster' and thats where the absolute majority of greeks are these days..with the exception of himare and as i said before and please keep it in mind its hard to fit the slightly more complex sociohistorical phenomena in orthodox albania among non-greek speakers with regards to greek nationalism in a single template...otherwise we could include even berat which would be ridiculous 87.202.35.52 ( talk) 20:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Rm Polyphonic Music of Epirus from the template. As we worked on that article, that showed the music is NOT apanage of the Greek culture, so if you keep that music in the template of the Greek Culture in Albania, is clearly POV. Thank you and please let me know if you disagree in my talk page. -- Sulmues Let's talk 15:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Also, haha ridiculous for real. It's not also part of neighboring cultures, but is also part of the so called greek comunity in Albania. Polyphonic Music of this kind is clearly Albanian, as it is recognized and protected as an oral treasure even by UNESCO. At best the so called greek minority has tried to immitate the Albanians. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSa1mZrBq1g -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 16:59, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Don't jump to conclusions. It's a UNESCO documentary, it's not simply a youtube video. Watch before you comment. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 17:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Is Polyphonic song of Epirus appropriate for this template? The polyphonic song of Epirus, a region divided between Albania and Greece, is a song that is part of both nations, Albanian and Greek and this transpires from the article itself. This template is called Greek Culture in Albania. Is it appropriate that the article be part of the template? Sulmues Let's talk 18:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
You gave the answer yourself, this is part of both nations, in the region of Epirus: Greek is one of these cultures and so it should stay here. Alexikoua ( talk) 18:55, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Polyphonic singing is not part of Greek Culture in Albania, since it's part of Albanian culture and it has been so since the beginning of time. If greeks try to sing polyphonically it just means that they're trying immitate the culture of the natives. I say it should be removed from the template. -- I Pakapshem ( talk) 19:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
2010 (UTC)
So UNESCO is a lunatic organization?-- I Pakapshem ( talk) 20:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
i pakapshem...sorry but i have to disagree here various kinds of polyphony exist among greeks albanians AND vlachs in some places. its a SHARED tradition and i doubt you truly know its origins and obviously theres no evidence from the 'beginning of time' either... 87.202.35.52 ( talk) 19:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Guys, had I wanted Greek or Albanian editors in this RFC I would have just asked for a third opinion. I want established editors who aren't from the Balkans. Would you please mind striking all of your edits in this RFC or transfer them into a higher paragraph? Thanks! -- Sulmues Let's talk 20:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Is Polyphonic song of Epirus appropriate for this template, which reads Greek culture in Albania? The polyphonic song of Epirus, a region divided between Albania and Greece, is a song that is part of both nations, Albanian and Greek and this transpires from the article itself of the Polyphonic song of Epirus. This template is called Greek Culture in Albania. Is it appropriate that the article be part of the template? Sulmues Let's talk 18:08, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand why this has been moved one section down. Several editors have already replied above. Alexikoua ( talk) 10:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
This edit is problematic if the template includes "Greek Culture". That's why I moved to simply Northern Epirus. -- Sulmues ( talk) 16:42, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky ( talk) 05:17, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
Template:Northern Epirus → Template:Greeks in Albania – Templates for minority ethnic groups follow the naming convention X people in Y country. This one uses the name "Northern Epirus", which is a nationalist/irredentist political term which was created in 1912 and doesn't describe a natural geographical region. The term is POV and doesn't cover the history of Greeks in Albania, which predates the term. If the template included just the Greeks after 1912, it would be reduced. A renaming to "Template:Greeks in Albania" is a)politically neutral ( WP:NPOV) and b) historically accurate about its subject as it doesn't retrogressively include individuals under a concept which didn't exist before 1912. Ahmet Q. ( talk) 22:25, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
Alexikoua, why are you adding Moscopole into the settlements section? Moscopole has never been an ethnically Greek settlement. It was always Aromanian, and still is. I've already added it into another section due to its influence over Greek culture at its time. If this message goes unreplied I will revert you. Super Ψ Dro 19:03, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Articles about the history of the Greek populations in the region need to stay. There is no reason to hide the history of this part of the world. Alexikoua ( talk) 19:21, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
There is a red link settlememt with that name. Can anyone link it to the article of a present day settlement/municipality or create its own article if need be? Ktrimi991 ( talk) 13:09, 27 August 2022 (UTC)