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The image distracts in the article page. I suggest no image be used, to be consistent with "Culture of XYZ" wiki articles on numerous countries. I checked pages for Culture of Japan, China, France, England, Germany, Italy, Russia, Brazil, United States, Mexico, and other countries with large populations. The template is rarely used, and when used the template is clean, without image. For a consistent experience to wiki readers, I favor same style.
If image must be used, please explain why an image should be used only for India? Is it wiki MOS requirement or just personal preference?
Finally, if an image inclusion is agreed, I urge we vote on it. I, for one, prefer image of the national flag - as is the case with Culture of the Netherlands page. ApostleVonColorado ( talk) 02:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
IP 1.186.211.166, why are you undoing me changing the pic? ( 2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1 ( talk) 20:36, 31 December 2016 (UTC))
- How can you change the pic on your own, without building any consensus? This is against WP rules and is considered disruptive. Thanks. 1.186.211.166 ( talk) 20:39, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
mutual recriminations
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The other IP is not giving her reasons for changing the original pic and us changing the PIC without building consensus. 106.67.6.134 ( talk) 20:56, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Please specify, why are you pushing your POV without building a consensus. That is not how Wikipedia works. Thanks. 106.67.6.134 ( talk) 21:03, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Please give a reason why are you pushing your POV. Why changing the original PIC without consensus? 106.67.6.134 ( talk) 21:09, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
This conversation is going in circles. Why not open a request for comment about which flag should be on the template, and have the discussion there? These constant reverts are likely to end with both of you blocked, regardless of the reason. If you're interested, I will set it up. Karunamon ✉ 21:13, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
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- Ok, I will not touch it, until finalized by you. ( 2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1 ( talk) 21:21, 31 December 2016 (UTC))
- Yes, please restore it to the original version before recent vandalism, started on 26 December. Thanks. 106.67.6.134 ( talk) 21:24, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
- Changing the flag to a relevant image is not
vandalism, and it isn't
assuming good faith to accuse someone of that. Please keep this in mind. This is a style dispute, nothing more. @
2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1:, if you could detail the reason why you feel the other flag works better down below, that would be excellent.
Karunamon
✉ 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you much much for this User:Karunamon. Greatly appreciate it. ( 2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1 ( talk) 22:17, 31 December 2016 (UTC))
- Changing the flag to a relevant image is not
vandalism, and it isn't
assuming good faith to accuse someone of that. Please keep this in mind. This is a style dispute, nothing more. @
2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1:, if you could detail the reason why you feel the other flag works better down below, that would be excellent.
Karunamon
✉ 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Should this template use the official Flag of India, or the Ashoka Chakra symbol for its header? 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
RFC closed per direct policy, thanks @ Kautilya3:. Karunamon ✉ 21:02, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Comments
- I changed it for several reasons:
- The Ashoka chakra has more importance to Indian culture and history, than the modern Indian flag.
- Indian culture developed long before the modern state and its flag was introduced.
- The Ashoka chakra represents Indian history, cultural development, and religious development.
- The flag is already on the template. At the bottom of the template it is mentioned. It is repetitive to have it twice.
( 2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1 ( talk) 22:14, 31 December 2016 (UTC))
- The Indian flag is the most recognized symbol of India.
- The template is about modern day Republic of India not historical India or ancient India, the flag represents modern Indian republic.
- Ashok Chakra is not the only symbol, and its populariy varies wihin India itself. There are many other symbols as well, like the 'Lion Capital' or the 'Red fort', how can one be prefered over others?
- Repetition of flag on the template is not really an issue. Its a norm on such other templates on Wikipedia. 1.186.211.166 ( talk) 05:12, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Survey
- Support Ashoka Chakra - As per MOS:FLAG, national flags should only be used when the subject represents the country in an official fashion. So the use of Indian flag is inappropriate. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:43, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Threaded discussion
- Comment - Damn, didn't know there was a policy for this. That kind of clinches it then - "culture of India" is not an official representation of India, so the Indian flag should not be used as the header. That's pretty cut and dry. @ 1.186.211.166: @ 2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1: - FYI. Karunamon ✉ 21:02, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Hello cbbzzbdg manegement Jamestown bendhecheelo gentlemen m hai is ka ka na haha dharna 2409:4050:2E32:2A4:61FC:8462:D18F:30A4 ( talk) 14:57, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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The image distracts in the article page. I suggest no image be used, to be consistent with "Culture of XYZ" wiki articles on numerous countries. I checked pages for Culture of Japan, China, France, England, Germany, Italy, Russia, Brazil, United States, Mexico, and other countries with large populations. The template is rarely used, and when used the template is clean, without image. For a consistent experience to wiki readers, I favor same style.
If image must be used, please explain why an image should be used only for India? Is it wiki MOS requirement or just personal preference?
Finally, if an image inclusion is agreed, I urge we vote on it. I, for one, prefer image of the national flag - as is the case with Culture of the Netherlands page. ApostleVonColorado ( talk) 02:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
IP 1.186.211.166, why are you undoing me changing the pic? ( 2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1 ( talk) 20:36, 31 December 2016 (UTC))
- How can you change the pic on your own, without building any consensus? This is against WP rules and is considered disruptive. Thanks. 1.186.211.166 ( talk) 20:39, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
mutual recriminations
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The other IP is not giving her reasons for changing the original pic and us changing the PIC without building consensus. 106.67.6.134 ( talk) 20:56, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Please specify, why are you pushing your POV without building a consensus. That is not how Wikipedia works. Thanks. 106.67.6.134 ( talk) 21:03, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Please give a reason why are you pushing your POV. Why changing the original PIC without consensus? 106.67.6.134 ( talk) 21:09, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
This conversation is going in circles. Why not open a request for comment about which flag should be on the template, and have the discussion there? These constant reverts are likely to end with both of you blocked, regardless of the reason. If you're interested, I will set it up. Karunamon ✉ 21:13, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
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- Ok, I will not touch it, until finalized by you. ( 2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1 ( talk) 21:21, 31 December 2016 (UTC))
- Yes, please restore it to the original version before recent vandalism, started on 26 December. Thanks. 106.67.6.134 ( talk) 21:24, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
- Changing the flag to a relevant image is not
vandalism, and it isn't
assuming good faith to accuse someone of that. Please keep this in mind. This is a style dispute, nothing more. @
2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1:, if you could detail the reason why you feel the other flag works better down below, that would be excellent.
Karunamon
✉ 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you much much for this User:Karunamon. Greatly appreciate it. ( 2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1 ( talk) 22:17, 31 December 2016 (UTC))
- Changing the flag to a relevant image is not
vandalism, and it isn't
assuming good faith to accuse someone of that. Please keep this in mind. This is a style dispute, nothing more. @
2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1:, if you could detail the reason why you feel the other flag works better down below, that would be excellent.
Karunamon
✉ 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Should this template use the official Flag of India, or the Ashoka Chakra symbol for its header? 21:32, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
RFC closed per direct policy, thanks @ Kautilya3:. Karunamon ✉ 21:02, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Comments
- I changed it for several reasons:
- The Ashoka chakra has more importance to Indian culture and history, than the modern Indian flag.
- Indian culture developed long before the modern state and its flag was introduced.
- The Ashoka chakra represents Indian history, cultural development, and religious development.
- The flag is already on the template. At the bottom of the template it is mentioned. It is repetitive to have it twice.
( 2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1 ( talk) 22:14, 31 December 2016 (UTC))
- The Indian flag is the most recognized symbol of India.
- The template is about modern day Republic of India not historical India or ancient India, the flag represents modern Indian republic.
- Ashok Chakra is not the only symbol, and its populariy varies wihin India itself. There are many other symbols as well, like the 'Lion Capital' or the 'Red fort', how can one be prefered over others?
- Repetition of flag on the template is not really an issue. Its a norm on such other templates on Wikipedia. 1.186.211.166 ( talk) 05:12, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Survey
- Support Ashoka Chakra - As per MOS:FLAG, national flags should only be used when the subject represents the country in an official fashion. So the use of Indian flag is inappropriate. -- Kautilya3 ( talk) 09:43, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Threaded discussion
- Comment - Damn, didn't know there was a policy for this. That kind of clinches it then - "culture of India" is not an official representation of India, so the Indian flag should not be used as the header. That's pretty cut and dry. @ 1.186.211.166: @ 2600:1001:B01F:57AA:88C9:9E38:F39D:74A1: - FYI. Karunamon ✉ 21:02, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Hello cbbzzbdg manegement Jamestown bendhecheelo gentlemen m hai is ka ka na haha dharna 2409:4050:2E32:2A4:61FC:8462:D18F:30A4 ( talk) 14:57, 29 January 2022 (UTC)