For correct usage of this template, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions). -- Netoholic 15:09, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The text to add to the top of the page is:
{{wrongtitle|title=Correct title}}
where Correct title should be replaced with the correct title. -- Angr/ comhrá 07:30, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Use {{Wrongtitlecat}} for incorrectly-titled categories.
What is the point of advertising Wikipedia's deficiencies so prominently? This message would be far more useful as a comment than as a banner heading. - SimonP 14:11, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
Re more useful as a comment: If a template expands to a comment, then the comment will not be visible to anybody (except people who edit the template itself). When people edit a page that uses the template, they will just see {{wrongtitle|title=...}}. When people view that page, they will see nothing at all. This is indistinguishable from the case where the template is defined as being completely blank (unless you edit the template definition itself, where the comment will be visible), and doesn't seem useful to me. — AlanBarrett 22:14, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
In an unrelated question are all of the page that have this template really in need of it? According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions) "*", "$", and "@" are permissible characters. Can M A S H thus be moved to M*A*S*H, Deal dollar store to Deal$, and SETI at home to SETI@home? - SimonP 23:18, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
As far I am I aware this is not a technical limitation, but a choice or "feature", that is, we have chosen to capitalize the first letter in titles because it will almost always be correct. I am not sure, but I think I could do without such a feature.-- Dittaeva 21:47, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
What goals do people want this template to satisfy? Mine are:
— AlanBarrett 15:39, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
On some pages, the appearance of The title given to this article is incorrect might look too much like an "this page is in error" to some people, when all that is wrong is capitalisation of the URL.
Might some pages not benefit from a template of the form: Note that the Wikipedia software miscapitalises this name, which is normally written as ...
Ojw 21:52, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Why not remove this limitation? Links could be left alone (with invalid capitalisation in URL), but a template or tag could provide proper capitalisation/spelling for the article. It's a matter of looking for it before outputting <h1>.
See Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#charset_issues. -- Joy [shallot] 22:40, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Overuse of the template simply seems to be advertising the technical limitations which few actually care about, are familiar with, or which overlap or contradict the established style-guide deliniations between languages and article titles. UTF-8 encoding is subordinate to old ISO on EN, which (as I understand it) isnt going to change anytime soon. Why then advertise a technical issue which can be corrected in the first line of the article, for which only an apparent inconsistent use of Romalpha-based character systems/English exonyms/and Romalpha-transliterated native names? If flexibility dictates that articles can be titled according to non-standard characters, why then use exonyms like "Greece" instead of "Ellinikí", etc? - =S V= 00:32, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have lately been in something of an edit war over the use of this template on the True Catholic Church article.I commented on that article's talk page months ago that this was not an appropriate use of the template,and after a prolonged period of no one responding to my arguments I replaced the template with a more detailed statement. User:Jtdirl reverted to the template and posted on my own talk page a defense of its use;after I responded on his page with an explanation of the NPOV issues raised in this instance he deleted his defense of his revert to the template from my talk page,which I took to mean he no longer stood behind that argument.So I reverted to my explanatory note.Someone else then went back to the template with a comment "rv vandalism",I responded to that reverting again,and User:Jonathunder then went back to the template again.
Essentially,the issue here is that the organization in question wants to be called the "true Catholic Church" with a lowercase T on the "true",and it is crystal clear that the purpose of preferring this usage is to demand that reference to them,by anyone,appear to use "true" as descriptive rather than as part of the specification of them as a distinct organization.A work that seeks NPOV can not regard a usage whose sole purpose is to prevent any appearance of NPOV as "the correct" title.If the technical limitations did not exist,the NPOV issue would still argue against using that as the article title.--Louis Epstein/le@put.com/ 12.144.5.2 17:23, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This template has been quite stable with the text:
It, or a close variant of it, has existed for the entire life of the template (excepting the occassional edit/revert cycle).
On 17 May, Kaihsu modified it to read:
Because there was no discussion on this page, I have reverted to the prior wording. If there is to be discussion about the wording, we can have it here. TreyHarris 15:25, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I think the most important bit of the statement, that is, the correct title, should go first. I am going to modify it. – Kaihsu 17:56, 2005 May 20 (UTC)
I meant that the the correct version should be first in the template; rather than saying "this is the wrong title, it should be that", it would be preferable to say "that is the correct title" (after all, as you point out, we've already seen the wrong title — it's the correct one that's the subject of the template). The question is: can that be done simply and clearly? The present template is simple and clear, to my mind, so it's best not to change it until there's something as good (and agreed upon) with which to replace it. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 10:19, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
People keep arguing that the template is eminently useful, but its main use appears to be for trivial issues of initial capitalization. I suggest to split use of the template up into subtemplates specific to unixlowercase, mathtitle, namelowercase, and nodiacritics. Each can then be judged on their own merits. In my opinion both unix and companyname are trivial (though not equally so), diacritics as expressing a bias toward Roman-alphabet systems, and math as easily explainable and therefore not requiring a notice. The concern that there should be some tagging for imminent transition doesnt deal with the fact that the template is overused for the rather trivial issue of capitalization —its MediaWiki internals and not encyclopedically relevant. - SV| t 09:43, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm afraid that "triviality represents process creep into the content of articles" fails to convey anything to me. Could you explain what you mean in plain English? Similarly, labelling the "presence of other templates" (which is itslf too vague to be helpful) an aberration, the reference to "unobstructive notices", and so on, are more of a bar to understanding than a help. The one bit that I do understand is the claim that a reader seeing, say, "wrongtitle" is going to conclude that Wikipedia isn't a valid source of information, and I fail to follow that argument at all. On the contrary, the degree of carefulness that such a template indicates is more likely to reassure readers of our determination to be as accurate as possible. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 09:39, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Why has this been changed to WP:TS? The guideline is for templates in the talk namespace, this template goes at the top of main namespace articles, and IMO looks appauling in this style. Joe D (t) 16:42, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Heyas, I looked at the template conventions and most of them don't seem to have bold throughout so I've modified this template only to bold the new title (which draws attention to it nicely, which is the whole point of the template). If this is bad, revert and explain on talk. -
SocratesJedi |
Talk 16:49, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
We now have {{ title}}, which can be used instead of this. In pre-CSS browsers, it seems to just put the "correct" title after "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.", keeping the "wrong" one above. -- SPUI ( talk) 17:50, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure that it would be called a Wikipedia policy to capitalize the first letter of each article. It was my understanding that that was a mediawiki limitation/feature— Trevor Caira 17:04, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
I just discovered {{ lowercase}}, which is a specialized version of {{ wrongtitle}} (much like {{ titlelacksdiacritics}} was). -- cesarb 17:31, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
I don't really like the fact that the italics extends to the correct title. I'm about to stop the italics immediately before. If someone minds, they can change it back, but the fact is, it's especially difficult to read the title on NaKATPase if the correct title is italicized. -- D. F. Schmidt (talk) 13:19, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
I thought I wasn't the only one to think so. By the way, I don't honestly know how I came upon that article. Haha. -- D. F. Schmidt (talk) 15:59, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
A recent change to this template made it say
Apparently this strange-looking syntax means you can now write {{wrongtitle|correct title}} as well as {{wrongtitle|title=correct title}}. The only problem is that you now can't have '=' in the correct title. None of the following works:
The only way I've found to fix this problem is to use {{wrongtitle|title=a = b}}. Is there any way to fix this template to avoid the issue? (Fortunately, there are only two pages with = in their title that use this template: 2 + 2 = 5 and 1+1=2.) dbenbenn | talk 17:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I fixed at least the main title problem with:
<h1 class="firstHeading" style="display: block !important; border-bottom-style: none; float: left; position: absolute; left: 0.25em; width:100%; top: 0%; background-color:#FFFFFF">
{{{title}}}
</h1>
Anyone oppose? If not, I think some rewording might be necessary. --
WB 04:38, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
title=
. However, besides that, it's working woderfully. For example,
Led Zeppelin IV article actually displays symbols now! --
WB 04:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC){{switch|{{Mediawiki:Sitenotice}}|case -=(template code here)}}
prevents any display if there is a sitenotice up (which causes a gross offset bug). id="titlehack" style="display:none"
in the div prevents display by default, and an edit to MediaWiki:Monobook.css allows it to display only on the default skin. This does not however fix the wrapping bug. I am not suggesting the use of this system on wikipedia, just advising that it would be possible. --
Splarka (
rant) 23:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)Do not cause cross-namespace references. The technical reasons are Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Lower case first letter but you should not cause cross-namespace references are the page will appear on Special:CrossNamespaceLinks
What exactly do we anticipate the category being used for? This is a meta-category and should properly be on the talk page, if a category is needed at all. But I would think what links here would be just as good. Christopher Parham (talk) 23:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I corrected the use of "due to", and then later I had a stray thought. "Due to" is scary popular these days, but grammar weenies like me still get annoyed when it's misused. Another way to placate us is to change the wording so that "due to" is correct:
I don't know if that's an improvement over the current wording (or if it matters!), but it came to mind, so there you have it.
Has anyone else noticed that the French Wikipedia have developed a workaround for title-problems. The template fr:Modèle:Titre incorrect, when added with a name, overwrites the name displayed at the top, but preserves where it is located. I'm not sure if it was said above in this discussion, I think it was (and it was said it doesn't work with non-MonoBook) but that has also been solved on FR as when you switch to a non MonoBook skin, it shows a notice about the title instead. Should we use the code? It does work with some other skins, but the ones it doesn't it displays a message similar to what we currently use for all wrong titles. (for an example of it in use, see fr:T.A.T.u., and if you have an account on FR, change the skins). But actually, looking at the code, I'm not sure if the way it works is solely to do with the template. Is it? I think maybe there's more to it? But regardless of how it's done, could we replicate it? The Italian template does it too, but the code is much longer. I have copied the Italian template to User:RedHotHeat/title where you can test it with {{User:RedHotHeat/title|TITLE HERE}}. But if you use it on a skin that it doesn't work on, it just shows the original title (not even a notice), but I'm sure a replication of the French one is possible. I just copied the Italian because I'm sure all the code needed for it to work is in it already. - Рэд хот 13:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Attempting to use this for En produces
This bug can be worked around, and the glitch appears to be the interaction of italics and subscripts; but unless this can be fixed (preferably without involving developers) ther should be a note. Septentrionalis 02:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
This is a bug that needs to be fixed, instead of worked around with kludgy, ugly, unprofessional templates. There is apparently a partial fix already, the {{DISPLAYTITLE}} magic word, that would allow titles to be rewritten, but it either doesn't work or is being ignored because Brion doesn't like it. Not sure. More bug votes and visible discussion would help give it the attention it needs.
If the only thing stopping it is the concept that "Keeping titles and link names the same is a key part of the wiki system", we can easily create rules for its use, like limiting what it can modify to only
special characters, subscripts and the like (pretty much anything in
Category:Articles with unsupported titles). So you could use {{DISPLAYTITLE|eBay}}
to make
EBay display its title as eBay, or {{DISPLAYTITLE|S<sub>N</sub>2 reaction}}
to make
SN2 reaction display as SN2 reaction, but you couldn't, for instance, use {{DISPLAYTITLE|JOSH IS GAY!!11!!}}
in the
Light bulb article; either making the software ignore it or, more likely, depending on editors to revert anything that didn't follow the rules, which would probably go in the
Wikipedia:Manual of Style. —
Omegatron 00:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
We, the Wookieepedians over at the Star Wars wiki have our own version of this template. but in ours it actually changes the articles name. For example, the article about the Force os: " The Force", but thanks to our version of the template it comes up as "the Force". This could help on wikipedia, for articles such as IPod! With this new version of the template the article would look like its namer "iPod". Anybody want me to bring the coding over here? Jasca Ducato 09:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Something is wrong with this template. For example, {{ lowercase}} seems to change the article name and the <title> tag while removing itself from the page. The two templates have very similar code, but {{ wrongtitle}} doesn't remove itself from the page. Anyone know what's wrong? I'm certainly stumped. -- Ixfd64 02:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that {{ wrongtitle}} doesn't change the article name on pages like C Sharp. I guess that this is due to HTML limitations. -- Ixfd64 02:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
This template also has problems on certain pages, such as It's On (Dr. Dre) 187um Killa. I guess that this is also due to HTML restrictions. -- Ixfd64 02:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, just a quick note: I've just removed the category per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 June 25. -- S up? 19:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
{{DISPLAYTITLE:{{{1}}}}} {{selfref|1=''This page is kept at '''{{PAGENAME}}''' because of {{{2|[[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)|technical restrictions]]}}}.''
{{
editprotected}}
I would like to add <includeonly>...</includeonly>
tags around the <div id>
tag as I have done to all the other
"wrong title" templates, so the page's name displays correctly in the browser window. –
Dream out loud (
talk) 16:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I just tweaked this template to use the DISPLAYTITLE magic word instead of JavaScript whenever possible. This will let nontechnical users just use Template:Wrongtitle and let the software figure out the most appropriate way to fix the title. — Remember the dot ( talk) 18:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
One of the examples in the template documentation is eBay/ EBay, however the article itself does not have the template, nor is the capitalization done incorrectly -- thanks to the {{lowercase}} template. Yes, the URL itself begins with a capital letter, but the template doesn't refer to URL names, does it? Is this example a remnant of a technical limitation that has been corrected? If so, it should probably be removed. Me Three ( talk to me) 20:19, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
The missing term has been replaced or omitted. It has not been substituted. 65.123.43.130 ( talk) 18:56, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Please see Template_talk:Title -- .rhavin;) ( talk) 11:09, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Proposal: Change because of to due to* (*except in the generated text "It appears incorrectly here because of . . ."). I'm aware that due to has crept into all sorts of sentences in which it doesn't modify a noun. Normally, the "error" one sees is the overuse of due to in such situations, where it doesn't make a very clear link between two clauses, and usually because of or for or another conjunction or phrase is better. This is a rare case of the reverse error: Due to actually works better here, as it directly modifies a noun—the singular subject "substitution or omission." Because of is somewhat out of place here; because connects a phrase (e.g., "he did this" or "this occurred") with a reason. Here, due to is perfect: It's an adjectival phrase that modifies a noun. How do I change this (assuming there's no opposition or we achieve consensus)? Thanks. Holy ( talk) 17:09, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
The wording produced by this template ("the substitution or omission of ...") is quite confusing for lay readers. Its best if we correctly identify if we substituted or omitted the offending character. One option would be to manually fill in the |edit= param (which if present replaces the text "substitution or omission") using AWB or somethin. Or add some parser function logic to automate it from here itself.
I surveyed a good number of pages using this template and noticed that for 99% of cases where the problem is with the # or | characters, there is a simple formula to find out if we omitted the character or substituted it: if the length of stored page name (stripped of any parenthetical disambiguation terms) is 1 less than the length of the correct title supplied to the template, its an omission, otherwise it's a substitution. This checks out correctly for the vast majority of cases. Where it doesn't, its easy enough to manually provide the |edit= param which will override the automated wording selection. SD0001 ( talk) 16:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
substituted=yes
/ omitted=yes
or s=y
/ o=y
) because the automated wording selection is not working sometimes (example
BABO). Thanks. --
Hddty. (
talk) 03:37, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
This should probably include handling of the userscores in the title. E.g., lm_sensors is a very popular GNU/Linux utility that traditionally has an underscore in its name. MureninC ( talk) 23:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
As evidenced by some 16-year-old talkpage comments above, italics in the correct title presented in bold by this template might be undesirable and could potentially confuse readers, e.g. if italics are semantically relevant. I've thus WP:BOLDly removed italicization from the bolded text to address this ( diff) – feel free to revert if things go horribly wrong or if it's a terrible idea. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 01:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
For correct usage of this template, see Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions). -- Netoholic 15:09, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The text to add to the top of the page is:
{{wrongtitle|title=Correct title}}
where Correct title should be replaced with the correct title. -- Angr/ comhrá 07:30, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Use {{Wrongtitlecat}} for incorrectly-titled categories.
What is the point of advertising Wikipedia's deficiencies so prominently? This message would be far more useful as a comment than as a banner heading. - SimonP 14:11, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
Re more useful as a comment: If a template expands to a comment, then the comment will not be visible to anybody (except people who edit the template itself). When people edit a page that uses the template, they will just see {{wrongtitle|title=...}}. When people view that page, they will see nothing at all. This is indistinguishable from the case where the template is defined as being completely blank (unless you edit the template definition itself, where the comment will be visible), and doesn't seem useful to me. — AlanBarrett 22:14, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
In an unrelated question are all of the page that have this template really in need of it? According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions) "*", "$", and "@" are permissible characters. Can M A S H thus be moved to M*A*S*H, Deal dollar store to Deal$, and SETI at home to SETI@home? - SimonP 23:18, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)
As far I am I aware this is not a technical limitation, but a choice or "feature", that is, we have chosen to capitalize the first letter in titles because it will almost always be correct. I am not sure, but I think I could do without such a feature.-- Dittaeva 21:47, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)
What goals do people want this template to satisfy? Mine are:
— AlanBarrett 15:39, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
On some pages, the appearance of The title given to this article is incorrect might look too much like an "this page is in error" to some people, when all that is wrong is capitalisation of the URL.
Might some pages not benefit from a template of the form: Note that the Wikipedia software miscapitalises this name, which is normally written as ...
Ojw 21:52, 25 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Why not remove this limitation? Links could be left alone (with invalid capitalisation in URL), but a template or tag could provide proper capitalisation/spelling for the article. It's a matter of looking for it before outputting <h1>.
See Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#charset_issues. -- Joy [shallot] 22:40, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Overuse of the template simply seems to be advertising the technical limitations which few actually care about, are familiar with, or which overlap or contradict the established style-guide deliniations between languages and article titles. UTF-8 encoding is subordinate to old ISO on EN, which (as I understand it) isnt going to change anytime soon. Why then advertise a technical issue which can be corrected in the first line of the article, for which only an apparent inconsistent use of Romalpha-based character systems/English exonyms/and Romalpha-transliterated native names? If flexibility dictates that articles can be titled according to non-standard characters, why then use exonyms like "Greece" instead of "Ellinikí", etc? - =S V= 00:32, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I have lately been in something of an edit war over the use of this template on the True Catholic Church article.I commented on that article's talk page months ago that this was not an appropriate use of the template,and after a prolonged period of no one responding to my arguments I replaced the template with a more detailed statement. User:Jtdirl reverted to the template and posted on my own talk page a defense of its use;after I responded on his page with an explanation of the NPOV issues raised in this instance he deleted his defense of his revert to the template from my talk page,which I took to mean he no longer stood behind that argument.So I reverted to my explanatory note.Someone else then went back to the template with a comment "rv vandalism",I responded to that reverting again,and User:Jonathunder then went back to the template again.
Essentially,the issue here is that the organization in question wants to be called the "true Catholic Church" with a lowercase T on the "true",and it is crystal clear that the purpose of preferring this usage is to demand that reference to them,by anyone,appear to use "true" as descriptive rather than as part of the specification of them as a distinct organization.A work that seeks NPOV can not regard a usage whose sole purpose is to prevent any appearance of NPOV as "the correct" title.If the technical limitations did not exist,the NPOV issue would still argue against using that as the article title.--Louis Epstein/le@put.com/ 12.144.5.2 17:23, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
This template has been quite stable with the text:
It, or a close variant of it, has existed for the entire life of the template (excepting the occassional edit/revert cycle).
On 17 May, Kaihsu modified it to read:
Because there was no discussion on this page, I have reverted to the prior wording. If there is to be discussion about the wording, we can have it here. TreyHarris 15:25, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I think the most important bit of the statement, that is, the correct title, should go first. I am going to modify it. – Kaihsu 17:56, 2005 May 20 (UTC)
I meant that the the correct version should be first in the template; rather than saying "this is the wrong title, it should be that", it would be preferable to say "that is the correct title" (after all, as you point out, we've already seen the wrong title — it's the correct one that's the subject of the template). The question is: can that be done simply and clearly? The present template is simple and clear, to my mind, so it's best not to change it until there's something as good (and agreed upon) with which to replace it. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 10:19, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
People keep arguing that the template is eminently useful, but its main use appears to be for trivial issues of initial capitalization. I suggest to split use of the template up into subtemplates specific to unixlowercase, mathtitle, namelowercase, and nodiacritics. Each can then be judged on their own merits. In my opinion both unix and companyname are trivial (though not equally so), diacritics as expressing a bias toward Roman-alphabet systems, and math as easily explainable and therefore not requiring a notice. The concern that there should be some tagging for imminent transition doesnt deal with the fact that the template is overused for the rather trivial issue of capitalization —its MediaWiki internals and not encyclopedically relevant. - SV| t 09:43, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
I'm afraid that "triviality represents process creep into the content of articles" fails to convey anything to me. Could you explain what you mean in plain English? Similarly, labelling the "presence of other templates" (which is itslf too vague to be helpful) an aberration, the reference to "unobstructive notices", and so on, are more of a bar to understanding than a help. The one bit that I do understand is the claim that a reader seeing, say, "wrongtitle" is going to conclude that Wikipedia isn't a valid source of information, and I fail to follow that argument at all. On the contrary, the degree of carefulness that such a template indicates is more likely to reassure readers of our determination to be as accurate as possible. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 09:39, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Why has this been changed to WP:TS? The guideline is for templates in the talk namespace, this template goes at the top of main namespace articles, and IMO looks appauling in this style. Joe D (t) 16:42, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
Heyas, I looked at the template conventions and most of them don't seem to have bold throughout so I've modified this template only to bold the new title (which draws attention to it nicely, which is the whole point of the template). If this is bad, revert and explain on talk. -
SocratesJedi |
Talk 16:49, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
We now have {{ title}}, which can be used instead of this. In pre-CSS browsers, it seems to just put the "correct" title after "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.", keeping the "wrong" one above. -- SPUI ( talk) 17:50, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure that it would be called a Wikipedia policy to capitalize the first letter of each article. It was my understanding that that was a mediawiki limitation/feature— Trevor Caira 17:04, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
I just discovered {{ lowercase}}, which is a specialized version of {{ wrongtitle}} (much like {{ titlelacksdiacritics}} was). -- cesarb 17:31, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
I don't really like the fact that the italics extends to the correct title. I'm about to stop the italics immediately before. If someone minds, they can change it back, but the fact is, it's especially difficult to read the title on NaKATPase if the correct title is italicized. -- D. F. Schmidt (talk) 13:19, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
I thought I wasn't the only one to think so. By the way, I don't honestly know how I came upon that article. Haha. -- D. F. Schmidt (talk) 15:59, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
A recent change to this template made it say
Apparently this strange-looking syntax means you can now write {{wrongtitle|correct title}} as well as {{wrongtitle|title=correct title}}. The only problem is that you now can't have '=' in the correct title. None of the following works:
The only way I've found to fix this problem is to use {{wrongtitle|title=a = b}}. Is there any way to fix this template to avoid the issue? (Fortunately, there are only two pages with = in their title that use this template: 2 + 2 = 5 and 1+1=2.) dbenbenn | talk 17:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
I fixed at least the main title problem with:
<h1 class="firstHeading" style="display: block !important; border-bottom-style: none; float: left; position: absolute; left: 0.25em; width:100%; top: 0%; background-color:#FFFFFF">
{{{title}}}
</h1>
Anyone oppose? If not, I think some rewording might be necessary. --
WB 04:38, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
title=
. However, besides that, it's working woderfully. For example,
Led Zeppelin IV article actually displays symbols now! --
WB 04:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC){{switch|{{Mediawiki:Sitenotice}}|case -=(template code here)}}
prevents any display if there is a sitenotice up (which causes a gross offset bug). id="titlehack" style="display:none"
in the div prevents display by default, and an edit to MediaWiki:Monobook.css allows it to display only on the default skin. This does not however fix the wrapping bug. I am not suggesting the use of this system on wikipedia, just advising that it would be possible. --
Splarka (
rant) 23:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)Do not cause cross-namespace references. The technical reasons are Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Lower case first letter but you should not cause cross-namespace references are the page will appear on Special:CrossNamespaceLinks
What exactly do we anticipate the category being used for? This is a meta-category and should properly be on the talk page, if a category is needed at all. But I would think what links here would be just as good. Christopher Parham (talk) 23:31, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
I corrected the use of "due to", and then later I had a stray thought. "Due to" is scary popular these days, but grammar weenies like me still get annoyed when it's misused. Another way to placate us is to change the wording so that "due to" is correct:
I don't know if that's an improvement over the current wording (or if it matters!), but it came to mind, so there you have it.
Has anyone else noticed that the French Wikipedia have developed a workaround for title-problems. The template fr:Modèle:Titre incorrect, when added with a name, overwrites the name displayed at the top, but preserves where it is located. I'm not sure if it was said above in this discussion, I think it was (and it was said it doesn't work with non-MonoBook) but that has also been solved on FR as when you switch to a non MonoBook skin, it shows a notice about the title instead. Should we use the code? It does work with some other skins, but the ones it doesn't it displays a message similar to what we currently use for all wrong titles. (for an example of it in use, see fr:T.A.T.u., and if you have an account on FR, change the skins). But actually, looking at the code, I'm not sure if the way it works is solely to do with the template. Is it? I think maybe there's more to it? But regardless of how it's done, could we replicate it? The Italian template does it too, but the code is much longer. I have copied the Italian template to User:RedHotHeat/title where you can test it with {{User:RedHotHeat/title|TITLE HERE}}. But if you use it on a skin that it doesn't work on, it just shows the original title (not even a notice), but I'm sure a replication of the French one is possible. I just copied the Italian because I'm sure all the code needed for it to work is in it already. - Рэд хот 13:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Attempting to use this for En produces
This bug can be worked around, and the glitch appears to be the interaction of italics and subscripts; but unless this can be fixed (preferably without involving developers) ther should be a note. Septentrionalis 02:53, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
This is a bug that needs to be fixed, instead of worked around with kludgy, ugly, unprofessional templates. There is apparently a partial fix already, the {{DISPLAYTITLE}} magic word, that would allow titles to be rewritten, but it either doesn't work or is being ignored because Brion doesn't like it. Not sure. More bug votes and visible discussion would help give it the attention it needs.
If the only thing stopping it is the concept that "Keeping titles and link names the same is a key part of the wiki system", we can easily create rules for its use, like limiting what it can modify to only
special characters, subscripts and the like (pretty much anything in
Category:Articles with unsupported titles). So you could use {{DISPLAYTITLE|eBay}}
to make
EBay display its title as eBay, or {{DISPLAYTITLE|S<sub>N</sub>2 reaction}}
to make
SN2 reaction display as SN2 reaction, but you couldn't, for instance, use {{DISPLAYTITLE|JOSH IS GAY!!11!!}}
in the
Light bulb article; either making the software ignore it or, more likely, depending on editors to revert anything that didn't follow the rules, which would probably go in the
Wikipedia:Manual of Style. —
Omegatron 00:52, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
We, the Wookieepedians over at the Star Wars wiki have our own version of this template. but in ours it actually changes the articles name. For example, the article about the Force os: " The Force", but thanks to our version of the template it comes up as "the Force". This could help on wikipedia, for articles such as IPod! With this new version of the template the article would look like its namer "iPod". Anybody want me to bring the coding over here? Jasca Ducato 09:31, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Something is wrong with this template. For example, {{ lowercase}} seems to change the article name and the <title> tag while removing itself from the page. The two templates have very similar code, but {{ wrongtitle}} doesn't remove itself from the page. Anyone know what's wrong? I'm certainly stumped. -- Ixfd64 02:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that {{ wrongtitle}} doesn't change the article name on pages like C Sharp. I guess that this is due to HTML limitations. -- Ixfd64 02:35, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
This template also has problems on certain pages, such as It's On (Dr. Dre) 187um Killa. I guess that this is also due to HTML restrictions. -- Ixfd64 02:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, just a quick note: I've just removed the category per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 June 25. -- S up? 19:28, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
{{DISPLAYTITLE:{{{1}}}}} {{selfref|1=''This page is kept at '''{{PAGENAME}}''' because of {{{2|[[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)|technical restrictions]]}}}.''
{{
editprotected}}
I would like to add <includeonly>...</includeonly>
tags around the <div id>
tag as I have done to all the other
"wrong title" templates, so the page's name displays correctly in the browser window. –
Dream out loud (
talk) 16:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I just tweaked this template to use the DISPLAYTITLE magic word instead of JavaScript whenever possible. This will let nontechnical users just use Template:Wrongtitle and let the software figure out the most appropriate way to fix the title. — Remember the dot ( talk) 18:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
One of the examples in the template documentation is eBay/ EBay, however the article itself does not have the template, nor is the capitalization done incorrectly -- thanks to the {{lowercase}} template. Yes, the URL itself begins with a capital letter, but the template doesn't refer to URL names, does it? Is this example a remnant of a technical limitation that has been corrected? If so, it should probably be removed. Me Three ( talk to me) 20:19, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
The missing term has been replaced or omitted. It has not been substituted. 65.123.43.130 ( talk) 18:56, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Please see Template_talk:Title -- .rhavin;) ( talk) 11:09, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Proposal: Change because of to due to* (*except in the generated text "It appears incorrectly here because of . . ."). I'm aware that due to has crept into all sorts of sentences in which it doesn't modify a noun. Normally, the "error" one sees is the overuse of due to in such situations, where it doesn't make a very clear link between two clauses, and usually because of or for or another conjunction or phrase is better. This is a rare case of the reverse error: Due to actually works better here, as it directly modifies a noun—the singular subject "substitution or omission." Because of is somewhat out of place here; because connects a phrase (e.g., "he did this" or "this occurred") with a reason. Here, due to is perfect: It's an adjectival phrase that modifies a noun. How do I change this (assuming there's no opposition or we achieve consensus)? Thanks. Holy ( talk) 17:09, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
The wording produced by this template ("the substitution or omission of ...") is quite confusing for lay readers. Its best if we correctly identify if we substituted or omitted the offending character. One option would be to manually fill in the |edit= param (which if present replaces the text "substitution or omission") using AWB or somethin. Or add some parser function logic to automate it from here itself.
I surveyed a good number of pages using this template and noticed that for 99% of cases where the problem is with the # or | characters, there is a simple formula to find out if we omitted the character or substituted it: if the length of stored page name (stripped of any parenthetical disambiguation terms) is 1 less than the length of the correct title supplied to the template, its an omission, otherwise it's a substitution. This checks out correctly for the vast majority of cases. Where it doesn't, its easy enough to manually provide the |edit= param which will override the automated wording selection. SD0001 ( talk) 16:46, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
substituted=yes
/ omitted=yes
or s=y
/ o=y
) because the automated wording selection is not working sometimes (example
BABO). Thanks. --
Hddty. (
talk) 03:37, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
This should probably include handling of the userscores in the title. E.g., lm_sensors is a very popular GNU/Linux utility that traditionally has an underscore in its name. MureninC ( talk) 23:48, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
As evidenced by some 16-year-old talkpage comments above, italics in the correct title presented in bold by this template might be undesirable and could potentially confuse readers, e.g. if italics are semantically relevant. I've thus WP:BOLDly removed italicization from the bolded text to address this ( diff) – feel free to revert if things go horribly wrong or if it's a terrible idea. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 01:20, 22 March 2022 (UTC)