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There is no need for this template to be divided into sections. Earlier today I removed the sections, but User:Greyshark09 has undone my change without explanation. The revert also messed-up the chronological order.
The template is now divided into "protests", "engagements" and "incidents". However, these headings are inaccurate. In many of the articles under "protests" there were armed engagements. In some of the articles under "engagements" there were protests. Finally, the heading "incidents" is vague and it includes an armed engagement! In other words, these articles can't be divided into such clear-cut sections. Take a look at Template:Campaignbox Northern Ireland Troubles where battles, bombings, shootings, riots, protests a.s.f. are all under one heading.
What does everyone think? ~Asarlaí 16:29, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
I suggest that everything but the bombings be put under one heding: "military operations and clashes".
Why? Becauz all of them ar either military or paramilitary operations. Yet half of them ar called "protests"!
This is how I think it should look.
~Asarlaí 01:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I agree that the articles about the uprizing ar in a mess, but how do you decide which articles go under which heding?
All of the articles below ar about military operations by the SA and/or FSA. Some of the SA operations wer sparked by protests, but none of the articles ar about protests alone. That's why I suggested putting them under one heding: "military operations and clashes".
I don't see how you can split thoze into two clean-cut groups. Doing so would mislead the readers and I think it'd be foolish (maybe even WP:OR) to try it. ~Asarlaí 07:25, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Article | Period covered |
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First Phase (Protests) | |
April–May 2011 Daraa siege | 25 Apr—05 May 2011 |
Rif Dimashq blockades | 25 Apr 2011—? (I don't know the exact details of this event, however, there were a series of blockades in the spring that were mentioned in the human rights watch articles. further research and expansion is needed on this article.) |
Siege of Homs | 06 May 2011 onward (this article should have the siege broken off as a subarticle 6 May - 10 May.) |
May 2011 Baniyas siege | 07 May—14 May 2011 |
May 2011 Talkalakh siege | 14 May—19 May 2011 |
Siege of Rastan and Talbiseh | 18 May—04 Jun 2011 |
June 2011 Jisr al-Shughur operation | 04 Jun—12 Jun 2011 |
2011–2012 Hama clashes | 15 Mar 2011 onward (the article should have the hama siege/ramadan incident broken off 31 July - 4 August; that was originally a civilian attack infobox) |
August 2011 Latakia siege | 13 Aug 2011—? (looks like the siege ended on about the 16 August but the exact date needs to be researched) |
Aleppo during the 2011–2012 Syrian uprising | 13 Apr 2011 onward (title is correct and the article chronicles events in aleppo) |
Deir ez-Zor during the 2011–2012 Syrian uprising | 15 Mar 2011 onward (this article needs expansion to actually understand what happened in Deir ez-Zour) |
Second Phase (Protests and Clashes) | |
2011–2012 Idlib Governorate clashes | Oct 2011 onward |
2011–2012 Daraa Province clashes | 16 Sep 2011 onward |
Battle of Rastan | 27 Sep—01 Oct 2011 |
October 2011 Jabal al-Zawiya clashes | 03 Oct—05 Oct 2011 |
2011–2012 Damascus clashes | 03 Nov 2011 onward |
Homs airbase ambush | 25 Nov 2011 |
December 2011 Syrian–Turkish border clash | 05 Dec—12 Dec 2011 |
Battle of Zabadani | 07 Jan—18 Jan 2012 |
Battle of Douma | 21 Jan—30 Jan 2012 |
Second Battle of Rastan | 29 Jan—01 Feb 2012 |
- Guest2625 ( talk) 14:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
can someone write an article of the battle of Azaz,between the syrian regime army and the free syrian army
It seems to me the 2011-2012 Damascus clashes should be split into a second article named Rif Dimashq offensive, which showed a very much new phase of the conflict. Thus we can resolve our disagreement, and include Douma and Zabadani in the offensive article. Greyshark09 ( talk) 18:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
it a battle that happen in damasacus on may 20 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.200.186 ( talk) 14:30, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
The Idlib province had been a scene of sporadic clashes through 2011 and until March 2012. On late March the Syrian Army began an organized offensive on the province, which lasted until the cease fire took effect on April 14. Hence, the 2011-2012 clashes phase was finished with the April offensive. There were new clashes afterwards, but many weeks later (13 May - [1]; 4 June - [2]), but they are probably a different phase of the conflict. It seems then, the sequence was "2011-2012 clashes", "March-April offensive", "cease-fire", "13 May 2012-present clashes"
The idea of this article (which i helped to create), was to group a the series of events, not to create an endless timeline. I think only Siege of Homs can be truly considered a continuous event from all the events in the Syrian uprising. Greyshark09 ( talk) 18:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
The articles are awfully inconsistent. Some say siege, some say clashes, while Deir ez-Zour says "during the uprising". What's the consensus? For instance, can we change the Homs article to "2011-2012 Homs governorate clashes," with a separate article for the city of Homs proper? UltimateDarkloid ( talk) 17:18, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Deonis 2012, you have twice reverted the addition of a link to Battle of Damascus (November 2012) from this template:
Edit warring is unacceptable in the Wikipedia. Removing significant material without an edit summary nor discussion on the talk page is unlikely to be accepted by other editors - since they don't know what your reason is. Please explain why you think the link should be removed. Others might agree with you, or they might not. IP user 24.0.208.70 believes the link is relevant. I agree, since, although the article needs work and reduction of duplication with related articles, the sources presently seem to justify it. Boud ( talk) 22:23, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm not claiming WP:OWN on that section (even though i'm the one to have originally put it here), but it seems to me that separate events could not be grouped into "border disputes" for Turkey and Iraq. Turkish pilgrim bus incident for example was not on the border. Regarding Rif Dimashq airstrikes, Israeli involvement is so far alleged, so we cannot put it in the title per WP:ATTRIBUTION; same way we cannot say "Reyhanli bombing by Syrian Mukhabarat" because no proof or responsibility was so far provided there as well. Greyshark09 ( talk) 21:28, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Whats the problem in using "Israeli airstrikes" in the International incidents section? First it was "Alleged Israeli airstrikes" and now its "Alleged attacks on Iranian weapons". I will change it back to "Israeli airstrikes" for the following reasons; the airstrikes were conducted by the Israeli Air Force, which were confirmed by Israel. Ratipok ( talk) 00:33, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
There is no alternate explanation for the airstrikes, and they were widely reported as Israeli. The circumstances of the Turkey bombings are not certain by any account, so is not comparable. FunkMonk ( talk) 05:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. -- BDD ( talk) 00:05, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Template:Campaignbox Syrian civil war → Template:Campaignbox Syrian Civil War – The main page was just moved from "Syrian civil war" to "Syrian Civil War", there should be consistency. Charles Essie ( talk) 18:28, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
I have tweaked the civil uprising into a single event in this campaignbox, since the overall importance of the single sieges and protests seems negligible in the context of the entire war. To describe the subevents of civil uprising i've just created template:Campaignbox civil uprising phase of the Syrian Civil War. GreyShark ( dibra) 21:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
I think each campaign/front needs to have its own campaignbox to replace the main box in the relevant articles because this one is too long and might look confusing for some our readers. For that purpose I created Template:Campaignbox Battle of Aleppo and I'm thinking about one for Idlib among others. Fitzcarmalan ( talk) 09:55, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I thought about it and would support Fitzy's earlier proposition for the Iraq box to be implemented here as well. That is to use the Afghan box template, where the miniboxes are put in the overall box. Although that would probably mess up the timeline since we have only two boxes (Idlib and Aleppo). A solution for this can be found if we create miniboxes for each of the provinces just like we have for the Afghan conflict. And than we put all of them into the main box. This would also cut down on the size. However, if we don't want to mess up the timeline (which what I proposed would do), we can create mini-boxes for the distinct phases of the conflict. For example - minibox for protest phase (already exists, thanks Sharky), minibox for initial insurgency, minibox for May 2012–December 2013 period and minibox for the current rise of the radical Islamists. Opinions? EkoGraf ( talk) 19:41, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Seems like the war is quickly transforming into a new phase with Turkish invasion on one side in support of Syrian Opposition, retreat of the ISIS on all fronts and escalating conflict between Ba'athists and Kurds. GreyShark ( dibra) 17:18, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Could you please help me to understand, why Manbij offensive is not listed on the template? Thank you for your kind answer in advance. Ksanyi ( talk) 08:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
ISIL suffered a collapse during Central Syria campaign (2017) with the peak of the breakdown of the siege of the city of Deir ez-Zor.
Its total decline was experienced after * Eastern Syria campaign (September-December 2017)
Hi Wbm1058. Wikipedia:Database reports/Transclusions of deleted templates flagged Template:State as now having a bunch of transclusions. I think this edit needed a tweak and I've now made that tweak in this edit. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 04:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
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New page needed now that August 2019 is over. 75.141.79.8 ( talk) 20:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
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It looks like the page got deleted due to a sock creating it, however the article itself was fit for purpose, is there any chance we could restore it?
Timeline of the Syrian Civil War (September–December 2019)
I think there should be a new campaignbox after Template:Campaignbox Failure of the demilitarization and renewed fighting. All of the other campaignboxes have their timeline under 1 year, and the last campaignbox has gone well over one year.
Of course, we cannot add it now, as no new event has occurred for it to be created. New bombings and incidents would fit in with the above campaignbox. But when the next government offensive occurs, I believe a new campaignbox should be made and started at that point. Just a note for when the next offensive takes place. 2601:85:C101:BA30:FDBB:852E:A1F:5DB3 ( talk) 05:15, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Should we split the last subbox "First Idlib, Operation Peace Spring, and Second Idlib offensives" into two boxes? Since major fighting ended in the last idlib offensive, and the rest of the events are on the periphery and not related to larger offensives. For example, the first box would end with 2019 U.S. bombing of Kata'ib Hezbollah, and the second box would begin with 2020 Daraa clashes. Any ideas? 2601:85:C102:1220:A054:120E:7921:9C4E ( talk) 19:28, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Did anyone read the last two posts above (both by me, a dynamic IP)? Or does nobody go here? 2601:85:C101:C9D0:ECAB:7031:391E:3661 ( talk) 00:20, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
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We should split the last subbox "First Idlib, Operation Peace Spring, and Second Idlib offensives" into two boxes. Since major fighting ended in the last idlib offensive in March 2020, and the rest of the events are on the periphery and not related to larger offensives. For example, the first box would end with 2019 U.S. bombing of Kata'ib Hezbollah, and the second box would begin with 2020 Daraa clashes. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:AD3F:E7F1:F12A:3742 ( talk) 16:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
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There is no need for this template to be divided into sections. Earlier today I removed the sections, but User:Greyshark09 has undone my change without explanation. The revert also messed-up the chronological order.
The template is now divided into "protests", "engagements" and "incidents". However, these headings are inaccurate. In many of the articles under "protests" there were armed engagements. In some of the articles under "engagements" there were protests. Finally, the heading "incidents" is vague and it includes an armed engagement! In other words, these articles can't be divided into such clear-cut sections. Take a look at Template:Campaignbox Northern Ireland Troubles where battles, bombings, shootings, riots, protests a.s.f. are all under one heading.
What does everyone think? ~Asarlaí 16:29, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
I suggest that everything but the bombings be put under one heding: "military operations and clashes".
Why? Becauz all of them ar either military or paramilitary operations. Yet half of them ar called "protests"!
This is how I think it should look.
~Asarlaí 01:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I agree that the articles about the uprizing ar in a mess, but how do you decide which articles go under which heding?
All of the articles below ar about military operations by the SA and/or FSA. Some of the SA operations wer sparked by protests, but none of the articles ar about protests alone. That's why I suggested putting them under one heding: "military operations and clashes".
I don't see how you can split thoze into two clean-cut groups. Doing so would mislead the readers and I think it'd be foolish (maybe even WP:OR) to try it. ~Asarlaí 07:25, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
Article | Period covered |
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First Phase (Protests) | |
April–May 2011 Daraa siege | 25 Apr—05 May 2011 |
Rif Dimashq blockades | 25 Apr 2011—? (I don't know the exact details of this event, however, there were a series of blockades in the spring that were mentioned in the human rights watch articles. further research and expansion is needed on this article.) |
Siege of Homs | 06 May 2011 onward (this article should have the siege broken off as a subarticle 6 May - 10 May.) |
May 2011 Baniyas siege | 07 May—14 May 2011 |
May 2011 Talkalakh siege | 14 May—19 May 2011 |
Siege of Rastan and Talbiseh | 18 May—04 Jun 2011 |
June 2011 Jisr al-Shughur operation | 04 Jun—12 Jun 2011 |
2011–2012 Hama clashes | 15 Mar 2011 onward (the article should have the hama siege/ramadan incident broken off 31 July - 4 August; that was originally a civilian attack infobox) |
August 2011 Latakia siege | 13 Aug 2011—? (looks like the siege ended on about the 16 August but the exact date needs to be researched) |
Aleppo during the 2011–2012 Syrian uprising | 13 Apr 2011 onward (title is correct and the article chronicles events in aleppo) |
Deir ez-Zor during the 2011–2012 Syrian uprising | 15 Mar 2011 onward (this article needs expansion to actually understand what happened in Deir ez-Zour) |
Second Phase (Protests and Clashes) | |
2011–2012 Idlib Governorate clashes | Oct 2011 onward |
2011–2012 Daraa Province clashes | 16 Sep 2011 onward |
Battle of Rastan | 27 Sep—01 Oct 2011 |
October 2011 Jabal al-Zawiya clashes | 03 Oct—05 Oct 2011 |
2011–2012 Damascus clashes | 03 Nov 2011 onward |
Homs airbase ambush | 25 Nov 2011 |
December 2011 Syrian–Turkish border clash | 05 Dec—12 Dec 2011 |
Battle of Zabadani | 07 Jan—18 Jan 2012 |
Battle of Douma | 21 Jan—30 Jan 2012 |
Second Battle of Rastan | 29 Jan—01 Feb 2012 |
- Guest2625 ( talk) 14:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
can someone write an article of the battle of Azaz,between the syrian regime army and the free syrian army
It seems to me the 2011-2012 Damascus clashes should be split into a second article named Rif Dimashq offensive, which showed a very much new phase of the conflict. Thus we can resolve our disagreement, and include Douma and Zabadani in the offensive article. Greyshark09 ( talk) 18:21, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
it a battle that happen in damasacus on may 20 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.0.200.186 ( talk) 14:30, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
The Idlib province had been a scene of sporadic clashes through 2011 and until March 2012. On late March the Syrian Army began an organized offensive on the province, which lasted until the cease fire took effect on April 14. Hence, the 2011-2012 clashes phase was finished with the April offensive. There were new clashes afterwards, but many weeks later (13 May - [1]; 4 June - [2]), but they are probably a different phase of the conflict. It seems then, the sequence was "2011-2012 clashes", "March-April offensive", "cease-fire", "13 May 2012-present clashes"
The idea of this article (which i helped to create), was to group a the series of events, not to create an endless timeline. I think only Siege of Homs can be truly considered a continuous event from all the events in the Syrian uprising. Greyshark09 ( talk) 18:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
The articles are awfully inconsistent. Some say siege, some say clashes, while Deir ez-Zour says "during the uprising". What's the consensus? For instance, can we change the Homs article to "2011-2012 Homs governorate clashes," with a separate article for the city of Homs proper? UltimateDarkloid ( talk) 17:18, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Deonis 2012, you have twice reverted the addition of a link to Battle of Damascus (November 2012) from this template:
Edit warring is unacceptable in the Wikipedia. Removing significant material without an edit summary nor discussion on the talk page is unlikely to be accepted by other editors - since they don't know what your reason is. Please explain why you think the link should be removed. Others might agree with you, or they might not. IP user 24.0.208.70 believes the link is relevant. I agree, since, although the article needs work and reduction of duplication with related articles, the sources presently seem to justify it. Boud ( talk) 22:23, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm not claiming WP:OWN on that section (even though i'm the one to have originally put it here), but it seems to me that separate events could not be grouped into "border disputes" for Turkey and Iraq. Turkish pilgrim bus incident for example was not on the border. Regarding Rif Dimashq airstrikes, Israeli involvement is so far alleged, so we cannot put it in the title per WP:ATTRIBUTION; same way we cannot say "Reyhanli bombing by Syrian Mukhabarat" because no proof or responsibility was so far provided there as well. Greyshark09 ( talk) 21:28, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Whats the problem in using "Israeli airstrikes" in the International incidents section? First it was "Alleged Israeli airstrikes" and now its "Alleged attacks on Iranian weapons". I will change it back to "Israeli airstrikes" for the following reasons; the airstrikes were conducted by the Israeli Air Force, which were confirmed by Israel. Ratipok ( talk) 00:33, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
There is no alternate explanation for the airstrikes, and they were widely reported as Israeli. The circumstances of the Turkey bombings are not certain by any account, so is not comparable. FunkMonk ( talk) 05:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was moved. -- BDD ( talk) 00:05, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Template:Campaignbox Syrian civil war → Template:Campaignbox Syrian Civil War – The main page was just moved from "Syrian civil war" to "Syrian Civil War", there should be consistency. Charles Essie ( talk) 18:28, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
I have tweaked the civil uprising into a single event in this campaignbox, since the overall importance of the single sieges and protests seems negligible in the context of the entire war. To describe the subevents of civil uprising i've just created template:Campaignbox civil uprising phase of the Syrian Civil War. GreyShark ( dibra) 21:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
I think each campaign/front needs to have its own campaignbox to replace the main box in the relevant articles because this one is too long and might look confusing for some our readers. For that purpose I created Template:Campaignbox Battle of Aleppo and I'm thinking about one for Idlib among others. Fitzcarmalan ( talk) 09:55, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I thought about it and would support Fitzy's earlier proposition for the Iraq box to be implemented here as well. That is to use the Afghan box template, where the miniboxes are put in the overall box. Although that would probably mess up the timeline since we have only two boxes (Idlib and Aleppo). A solution for this can be found if we create miniboxes for each of the provinces just like we have for the Afghan conflict. And than we put all of them into the main box. This would also cut down on the size. However, if we don't want to mess up the timeline (which what I proposed would do), we can create mini-boxes for the distinct phases of the conflict. For example - minibox for protest phase (already exists, thanks Sharky), minibox for initial insurgency, minibox for May 2012–December 2013 period and minibox for the current rise of the radical Islamists. Opinions? EkoGraf ( talk) 19:41, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Seems like the war is quickly transforming into a new phase with Turkish invasion on one side in support of Syrian Opposition, retreat of the ISIS on all fronts and escalating conflict between Ba'athists and Kurds. GreyShark ( dibra) 17:18, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Could you please help me to understand, why Manbij offensive is not listed on the template? Thank you for your kind answer in advance. Ksanyi ( talk) 08:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
ISIL suffered a collapse during Central Syria campaign (2017) with the peak of the breakdown of the siege of the city of Deir ez-Zor.
Its total decline was experienced after * Eastern Syria campaign (September-December 2017)
Hi Wbm1058. Wikipedia:Database reports/Transclusions of deleted templates flagged Template:State as now having a bunch of transclusions. I think this edit needed a tweak and I've now made that tweak in this edit. -- MZMcBride ( talk) 04:19, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
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New page needed now that August 2019 is over. 75.141.79.8 ( talk) 20:29, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
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It looks like the page got deleted due to a sock creating it, however the article itself was fit for purpose, is there any chance we could restore it?
Timeline of the Syrian Civil War (September–December 2019)
I think there should be a new campaignbox after Template:Campaignbox Failure of the demilitarization and renewed fighting. All of the other campaignboxes have their timeline under 1 year, and the last campaignbox has gone well over one year.
Of course, we cannot add it now, as no new event has occurred for it to be created. New bombings and incidents would fit in with the above campaignbox. But when the next government offensive occurs, I believe a new campaignbox should be made and started at that point. Just a note for when the next offensive takes place. 2601:85:C101:BA30:FDBB:852E:A1F:5DB3 ( talk) 05:15, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Should we split the last subbox "First Idlib, Operation Peace Spring, and Second Idlib offensives" into two boxes? Since major fighting ended in the last idlib offensive, and the rest of the events are on the periphery and not related to larger offensives. For example, the first box would end with 2019 U.S. bombing of Kata'ib Hezbollah, and the second box would begin with 2020 Daraa clashes. Any ideas? 2601:85:C102:1220:A054:120E:7921:9C4E ( talk) 19:28, 1 February 2021 (UTC)
Did anyone read the last two posts above (both by me, a dynamic IP)? Or does nobody go here? 2601:85:C101:C9D0:ECAB:7031:391E:3661 ( talk) 00:20, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
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edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
We should split the last subbox "First Idlib, Operation Peace Spring, and Second Idlib offensives" into two boxes. Since major fighting ended in the last idlib offensive in March 2020, and the rest of the events are on the periphery and not related to larger offensives. For example, the first box would end with 2019 U.S. bombing of Kata'ib Hezbollah, and the second box would begin with 2020 Daraa clashes. 2601:85:C101:C9D0:AD3F:E7F1:F12A:3742 ( talk) 16:51, 2 August 2021 (UTC)