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This should probably be merged into {{
who}}, with an added flag |
with a value of yes (use "by whom" form) or anything else/blank (go with {{
who}}'s default wording). Would require a bot to replace the instances already deployed, which are all over the place. —
SMcCandlish [
talk] [
cont] ‹(-¿-)› 09:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
See [1] for example. Caused by [2]. Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 08:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
When I write "{{says who}}" in the offending subjective text, I wish a verb in the template such as [claimed by whome?], not a simple [by whome?]. "By whome?" doesn't explain what I'm after: I wish that this sentence is rewritten to a sourced citation. If a "claimed" is appended before the rest, I signal that I wish to know
If "claim" is missing in the template, there simply are to many verbs to choose between, such as "worn by whome", "eaten by whome", "rejected by whome", "hailed by whome". ... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 13:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
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Whenever this template seems to be commonly used, say like this: "It has been suggested [by whom]" it is grammatically incorrect, I believe. This is one of those less common cases where whom is used when who ought to be. Dissecting the sentence, "it" is the object, "suggested" is the "verb" and "who" is the subject. "Whom" is only used when it is on the receiving end of the verb (i.e. when it is the object, "whom did you call?"). Who is used when it is doing the action, which it seems to be. ("who called you?") Perhaps we can change this template OR make an alternate "by who?" template. Why am I drawing this distinction? Well, it seems to me that if you say "by whom" you are trying to follow the who/whom distinctions, but that is incorrect. Please, a grammarian help me! Correct me if I'm wrong! Sansveni ( talk) 00:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
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Per the who template i would suggest adding the same 'Visual effect' example under the usage header. Also, wouldn't it be better to also use {{By whom|{{subst:DATE}}}} instead of manually adding the date? Husky ( talk page) 23:26, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
There was a clear consensus to implement support for an optional link to an associated talk page section, which has been done. Cunard ( talk) 21:46, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
I've utilized the |post-text=
parameter in {{
Fix}} to implement support for an optional link to an associated talk page section - in
the sandbox version.
The use of {{By whom|date=Today|talk=Foo bar}}
( or |section=
or |discuss=
) would render
by whom? –
Discuss if this feature were adopted as is.
I think it could be valuable to have this option, and would appreciate your consideration. fredgandt 02:19, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
|post-text=
parameter in {{
Fix}} solution that you use now or write the wikitext yourself. This would probaby be ok for the sort of person who needs that as very few times would that be needed. On a side note, is this parameter you are thinking of optional (you said it would be)? If so then why did you decide to have an
WP:RFC? I think you could have followed
WP:BOLD (i hope that is the right link) because if there is a problem it would not effect much if you tested it already. Also I personly like the parameter to be called |section=
because it tells you exacly what to put in.
Hungryce (
talk) 16:06, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
|talk=
, |section=
or |discuss=
to add the section heading. I'll document them all if the change goes live. But to change the displayed text, there'd have to be a little extra code that defaulted to something standard, but depending on what the user put in the template, changed to suit. As I say though, I think that's a bad idea. If it rolls out, and is used, imagine if every time you saw it, it said something different? That incontinuity would rub people the wrong way (it would me).Done - I am satisfied that there are no objections, so have added the param and updated the documentation. Thanks for your feedback fredgandt 23:15, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
This was recently found in the lead at Google Play:
Many applications can be targeted to specific users based on a particular hardware attribute of their device, such as a motion sensor (for motion-dependent games) or a front-facing camera (for online video calling).
The dubious grammatical structure set off my brochureware alarm, and I waded in with a sledge hammer. Then I started actually thinking.
Many applications can be targeted to specific users based on a particular hardware attribute of their device, such as a motion sensor (for motion-dependent games) or a front-facing camera (for online video calling).
What makes this come across as brochureware is that both "many" and "can be" are qualitative restrictions cooking in the same kitchen. Then "based on" wades into the conversation, and you don't know which chef to slay. It shouldn't be the reader's job to decide this (therefore brochureware rarely passes such a golden opportunity up).
Had I been in a blind hurry, I might have wanted to handle the problem like this:
Many applications can be by whom? targeted to specific users based on a particular hardware attribute of their device, such as a motion sensor (for motion-dependent games) or a front-facing camera (for online video calling).
Not only are there two chefs in the kitchen, but there are many other parties at the table holding knives, and looking vaguely chef-like.
Where this wants to go is something like this (but more gracefully worded):
Where appropriate, application developers may selectively target users of suitable devices based by feature requisite, as commonly practiced when an application depends on a particular hardware attribute of the device, such as a motion sensor (for motion-dependent games) or a front-facing camera (for online video calling).
I don't seem to be able to get the tone right on this sentence (for the audience of this page), so perhaps I would have been better off simply flagging the problem and moving along.
Then I realized that this is actually an unorthodox use case of "by whom", worthy of explicit mention.
If this template ought not cover the latter, what template should? And how will the average spot-checking diligence bunny such as myself find out? Most usefully, by direct mention in the article here. (A spot-checking diligence bunny RTFMs all the time, but never front to back, and thus relies immensely on prominent "see also"s link-farmed at the usual suspects.) — MaxEnt 19:37, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Jonesey95, It looks like there is no parameter checking here, like in {{
cn}}
. I just ran across a {{
by whom}}
with "July 2020" instead of "date=July 2020"; there was no error and it was not put in the correct monthly category.
MB 03:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
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This should probably be merged into {{
who}}, with an added flag |
with a value of yes (use "by whom" form) or anything else/blank (go with {{
who}}'s default wording). Would require a bot to replace the instances already deployed, which are all over the place. —
SMcCandlish [
talk] [
cont] ‹(-¿-)› 09:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
See [1] for example. Caused by [2]. Headbomb { ταλκ κοντριβς – WP Physics} 08:14, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
When I write "{{says who}}" in the offending subjective text, I wish a verb in the template such as [claimed by whome?], not a simple [by whome?]. "By whome?" doesn't explain what I'm after: I wish that this sentence is rewritten to a sourced citation. If a "claimed" is appended before the rest, I signal that I wish to know
If "claim" is missing in the template, there simply are to many verbs to choose between, such as "worn by whome", "eaten by whome", "rejected by whome", "hailed by whome". ... said: Rursus ( mbork³) 13:26, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
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The title
parameter's text begins T he material
, but it should begin The material
; i.e. there is an extraneous space.
Gorobay (
talk) 16:32, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Whenever this template seems to be commonly used, say like this: "It has been suggested [by whom]" it is grammatically incorrect, I believe. This is one of those less common cases where whom is used when who ought to be. Dissecting the sentence, "it" is the object, "suggested" is the "verb" and "who" is the subject. "Whom" is only used when it is on the receiving end of the verb (i.e. when it is the object, "whom did you call?"). Who is used when it is doing the action, which it seems to be. ("who called you?") Perhaps we can change this template OR make an alternate "by who?" template. Why am I drawing this distinction? Well, it seems to me that if you say "by whom" you are trying to follow the who/whom distinctions, but that is incorrect. Please, a grammarian help me! Correct me if I'm wrong! Sansveni ( talk) 00:13, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
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ey 03:09, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
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Per the who template i would suggest adding the same 'Visual effect' example under the usage header. Also, wouldn't it be better to also use {{By whom|{{subst:DATE}}}} instead of manually adding the date? Husky ( talk page) 23:26, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
There was a clear consensus to implement support for an optional link to an associated talk page section, which has been done. Cunard ( talk) 21:46, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
I've utilized the |post-text=
parameter in {{
Fix}} to implement support for an optional link to an associated talk page section - in
the sandbox version.
The use of {{By whom|date=Today|talk=Foo bar}}
( or |section=
or |discuss=
) would render
by whom? –
Discuss if this feature were adopted as is.
I think it could be valuable to have this option, and would appreciate your consideration. fredgandt 02:19, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
|post-text=
parameter in {{
Fix}} solution that you use now or write the wikitext yourself. This would probaby be ok for the sort of person who needs that as very few times would that be needed. On a side note, is this parameter you are thinking of optional (you said it would be)? If so then why did you decide to have an
WP:RFC? I think you could have followed
WP:BOLD (i hope that is the right link) because if there is a problem it would not effect much if you tested it already. Also I personly like the parameter to be called |section=
because it tells you exacly what to put in.
Hungryce (
talk) 16:06, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
|talk=
, |section=
or |discuss=
to add the section heading. I'll document them all if the change goes live. But to change the displayed text, there'd have to be a little extra code that defaulted to something standard, but depending on what the user put in the template, changed to suit. As I say though, I think that's a bad idea. If it rolls out, and is used, imagine if every time you saw it, it said something different? That incontinuity would rub people the wrong way (it would me).Done - I am satisfied that there are no objections, so have added the param and updated the documentation. Thanks for your feedback fredgandt 23:15, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
This was recently found in the lead at Google Play:
Many applications can be targeted to specific users based on a particular hardware attribute of their device, such as a motion sensor (for motion-dependent games) or a front-facing camera (for online video calling).
The dubious grammatical structure set off my brochureware alarm, and I waded in with a sledge hammer. Then I started actually thinking.
Many applications can be targeted to specific users based on a particular hardware attribute of their device, such as a motion sensor (for motion-dependent games) or a front-facing camera (for online video calling).
What makes this come across as brochureware is that both "many" and "can be" are qualitative restrictions cooking in the same kitchen. Then "based on" wades into the conversation, and you don't know which chef to slay. It shouldn't be the reader's job to decide this (therefore brochureware rarely passes such a golden opportunity up).
Had I been in a blind hurry, I might have wanted to handle the problem like this:
Many applications can be by whom? targeted to specific users based on a particular hardware attribute of their device, such as a motion sensor (for motion-dependent games) or a front-facing camera (for online video calling).
Not only are there two chefs in the kitchen, but there are many other parties at the table holding knives, and looking vaguely chef-like.
Where this wants to go is something like this (but more gracefully worded):
Where appropriate, application developers may selectively target users of suitable devices based by feature requisite, as commonly practiced when an application depends on a particular hardware attribute of the device, such as a motion sensor (for motion-dependent games) or a front-facing camera (for online video calling).
I don't seem to be able to get the tone right on this sentence (for the audience of this page), so perhaps I would have been better off simply flagging the problem and moving along.
Then I realized that this is actually an unorthodox use case of "by whom", worthy of explicit mention.
If this template ought not cover the latter, what template should? And how will the average spot-checking diligence bunny such as myself find out? Most usefully, by direct mention in the article here. (A spot-checking diligence bunny RTFMs all the time, but never front to back, and thus relies immensely on prominent "see also"s link-farmed at the usual suspects.) — MaxEnt 19:37, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Jonesey95, It looks like there is no parameter checking here, like in {{
cn}}
. I just ran across a {{
by whom}}
with "July 2020" instead of "date=July 2020"; there was no error and it was not put in the correct monthly category.
MB 03:52, 15 July 2020 (UTC)