This template does not allow for the author of the reference to be added to it, which should be part of the template. -- LGagnon 17:46, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
The addition of "Web reference:" to the template seems a bit wrong to me, and does point out a bit of the naming problem of the template. For instance, there is nothing stopping from me from having a URL go to an FTP site and reference some pdf. In that respect, it has nothing to do with the world wide web, and so is misnamed. As such, a "web reference:" may not even point to a web reference! I suggest we remove the phrase and revert to its previous nature. For another thing, it doesn't match the Chicago manual of style. I don't see the reason to talk down to people, and it looks ugly. We don't say "Book reference:" or "Journal Reference:" in the other templates. It's up to the person looking at the reference to be smart enough. There is no reason to talk down to them either "Hey stupid, you're not smart enough to notice the link on the references, so we'll just tell you again". It's redundant, not to mention an inconsistent format for references, and consistency is good. The "Accessed on" implies a web source. At minimum move "web reference" to "Web reference accessed on...", but I'd prefer if it just went away totally. — Ram-Man ( comment) ( talk) 12:27, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
I notice that {{Citenews}} and similar templates have url in lowercase, whereas {{Web reference}} et al. use URL in uppercase; this is a bit annoying when one is entering many different sources. There's probably some other points of departure, and it would be nice if all of these citations eventually conformed to some sort of namespace (like {{Cite news}},{{Cite news author}},{{Cite web}},{{Cite web reference}}). - Kwh 00:38, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
A version with optional parameters has been created as part of consolidation of these templates. Lowercase parameter names are preferred. ( SEWilco 15:52, 9 November 2005 (UTC))
Variants of Template:Web_reference have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Web_reference variations. Thank you.
— ( SEWilco 04:01, 15 November 2005 (UTC))
Modified the template so we don't have multiple useless date links in accessed on thingy. Vsmith 16:21, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I see the purpose to wikilinking them for user preferences, although there is no actual purpose to wikilinking them. In the future, please do not make threats in edit summaries—it only brings down the quality of Wikipedia. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-11-23 09:26
Currently, although there are wikilinks, the date in this template does not appear the way it should according to the user preferences. I tried to have a look at the code, but couldn't find anything there, maybe someone more familiar with the code could try to fix that... -- Fritz S. ( Talk) 11:38, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
- {{web reference
| title=My Favorite Things Part II
| url=http://www.example.org
| date=2005-07-06
}}
*{{web reference
| title=My Favorite Things Part II
| url=http://www.example.org
| date=July 6
| year=2005
}}
On 11:07, 23 November 2005 AzaToth contributed the following:
{{{Author|{{{author|}}}}}}{{if
|1={{{PublishYear|{{{publishyear|}}}}}}
|2= ({{{PublishYear|{{{publishyear|}}}}}})
}}{{if
|1={{boolor
|1={{{Author|{{{author|}}}}}}
|2={{{PublishYear|{{{publishyear|}}}}}}
}}
|2=.
}}{{if
|1={{boolnand
|1={{{URL|{{{url|}}}}}}
|2={{{Title|{{{title|}}}}}}
}}
|2=parameter '''url''' and '''title''' is required!
|3=[{{{URL|{{{url}}}}}} {{{Title|{{{title}}}}}}].
}}{{if
|1={{{format|{{{Format|}}}}}}
|2= ({{{Format|{{{format}}}}}})
}}{{if
|1={{{Work|{{{work|}}}}}}
|2=''{{{Work|{{{work}}}}}}''.
}} {{if
|1={{{Publisher|{{{publisher|}}}}}}
|2={{{Publisher|{{{publisher}}}}}}.
}} URL accessed on [[{{{Date|{{{date}}}}}}]] {{if
|1={{{Year|{{{year|}}}}}}
|2=[[{{{Year|{{{year}}}}}}]]
}}.<noinclude>
{{esoteric}}
</noinclude>
I'm just going to revert this right now as I would like to discuss this first. – Ligulem | Talk 14:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
{{web reference|1=John=Doe ...
? –
Ligulem |
Talk
14:44, 23 November 2005 (UTC)|
in it's argument.{{web reference|work=foo publisher=bar}}
will give foo publisher=bar
as value to work. --
AzaToth
talk
14:52, 23 November 2005 (UTC){{web reference|author=John Doe=bar}}
it significantly complicates the template code. The presented solution intelligently solves a nearly inexistent or not so prominent problem. As I understand it, AzaToth's proposal assigns inside the template values to {{web reference|green|blue|gray|author=John Doe....}}
. Just as a not so useful example. –
Ligulem |
Talk
18:15, 23 November 2005 (UTC){{web reference|green|blue|gray|author=John Doe....}}
will be expanded to {{1=web reference|2=green|3=blue|4=gray|author=John Doe....}}
, i.e. if you specified a parameter, it won't be extra expanded. even if you type {{web reference|author=John Doe|green|red}}
it will be expanded to {{1=web reference|author=John Doe|2=green|3=red}}
(see
m:Help:Template#Named vs. numbered parameters) --
AzaToth
talk
18:23, 23 November 2005 (UTC){{web reference|green|blue|gray|author=John Doe....}}
will be expanded to {{web reference|1=green|2=blue|3=gray|author=John Doe....}}
and {{web reference|author=John Doe|green|red}}
it will be expanded to {{web reference|author=John Doe|1=green|2=red}}
. –
Ligulem |
Talk
19:36, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
{{if|1=green|2=blue}}
(A) is equivalent to {{if|green|blue}}
(B) and seems to be the same, but it is not exactly. Because if "green" would be replaced with "==Best color==" then variant (B) does not work as one might expect (See
m:Help:Template#Equals sign in parameter value). In fact, I'm asking myself now, if we just should always use form (A) inside templates for subtemplate calls. –
Ligulem |
Talk
21:30, 23 November 2005 (UTC)Ping pong, a new little template is available now {{ switch}} AzaToth talk 13:07, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I've documented a very strange bug under my user space at User:Ligulem/web reference 2005-11-27-1 (please don't edit there). I invite all to help discuss on the associated talk page. Of course, you may also post here, as you see fit. Thanks! – Ligulem | Talk 10:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I had this open for reference and edited it by mistake, apologies Hiding talk 08:07, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
See the discussion on Wikipedia_talk:Avoid_using_meta-templates#Logic_templates. – Ligulem | Talk 15:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I propose to do this also here. Admin help needed due to protection. – Ligulem | Talk 08:45, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
{{
Book reference}} encloses its content in an HTML <cite>
element, with an ID attribute formulated with the author's last name and year. This allows an in-text citation to link directly to the bibliographic entry as an anchor.
<cite style="font-style:normal" id="Reference-Smith-2005">[content]</cite>
Web reference needs a required parameter to substitute for the Author's last name in the value of ID. The URL would work, but some URLs are very long and have a lot of irrelevant cruft. Perhaps addition of a required element with a unique part of the reference's domain name would be a suitable substitute, so that a web reference could look like this:
<cite style="font-style:normal" id="Reference-en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Web_reference-2005">[content]</cite>
This template needs the same feature (I'm making use of it in the article "
T-34"). I'd rather someone familiar with it do the coding, but if there's no interest then I could give it a shot. —
Michael
Z. 2005-12-27 23:58 Z
Why is this template blocked? Is there a Wiki policy that is now in place since the markup language became more complex? Thanks, Steven McCrary 17:22, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I agree that {{ web reference}} should include hypertext to allow for linking the notes (at the end) to the reference (in the text). Here is a portion of the markup from {{ note label}} <cite id="endnote_{{{1}}}{{{3}}}"> This addition would eliminate the need to have both {{ note label}} and {{ web reference}}. A one way link is all I am requesting here, i.e. from the reference in the text to the note. The template {{ ref harvard}} includes a link to the notes. A back link is not needed. Thanks, Steven McCrary 15:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Note: I have implemented the change at Template:Web reference/dev. Test the development at template:web reference/dev-test. Steven McCrary 21:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
The format of the id should follow the one in {{ book reference}}, starting with "Reference-", and not "endnote_". — Michael Z. 2005-12-30 07:44 Z
Good question! I am a member of that club as well. I have exchanged discussion with Ligulem at Template_talk:Web reference/dev. He is generally against the idea. I have not tried to gather discussion from others; I am not inclined to try to garner support; I do not have the time or the motivation to do so; so right now the proposal is likely to die anyway. SteveMc 22:33, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Can you folks please change
}}{{qif |test={{{Date|{{{date|}}}}}} |then= URL accessed on [[{{{Date|{{{date}}}}}}]]{{qif |test={{{Year|{{{year|}}}}}} |then=, [[{{{Year|{{{year}}}}}}]] }} }}.<noinclude>
over to
}}{{qif |test={{{Date|{{{date|}}}}}} |then= URL accessed on [[{{{Date|{{{date}}}}}}]]{{qif |test={{{Year|{{{year|}}}}}} |then=, [[{{{Year|{{{year}}}}}}]] }} }}.<noinclude>
to prevent an ugly thing like a line beginning like this:
TIA, -- BACbKA 19:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Sure thing. See 3D Monster Maze#References, and wiggle the right margin of your browser to make it happen (so that just the right amount of text spills over to the next line in those refs that are web references). -- BACbKA 21:19, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Seen. I think your change would not fix that. for example
*{{note label|WoS-NGS|van der Heide 2005|a}}{{Web reference | author=Martijn van der Heide | title=New Generation Software | url=http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekpub.cgi?regexp=^New+Generation+Software$ | work=Label name information on New Generation Software at the World of Spectrum | publishyear=2005 | date=2005-12-16}}
uses the date
parameter. So year is not set and the line with your is ignored in this case. The date is emited as
2005-12-16 (<-look at the wiki source of this!) by the template and the MediaWiki software translates that on the fly to your preferred date format (which is set in your preferences). Inside that translated date I see no way to influence the line breaking. But I also think it is ok to write the year onto the next line. Did I miss something? (Anyway I go now to bed. Good night! See you tomorrow :-).
Ligulem
00:25, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm probably missing something, but none of the above examples cures the spilled year problem (look at the resulting HTML source --- there's no nbsp before the year). -- BACbKA 11:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought from your later writings that you were going to fix it anyway. My inspiration for a non-breakable space in such places comes from Donald Knuth's The TEXbook. I feel that in the beginning of a line, a number followed by a period looks ugly, and gives an impression of a numbered list item on one's quick scanning of the area (of course, when one reads into the context, and looks at the neighbouring lines, the perception goes away, but the ugliness remains IMHO). I agree that this is not a very high priority thing, but, if at some point, a way to fix it w/o a lot of effort becomes available, I'll be happy. (For the record, bibtex also suffers similar problems :-) ). -- BACbKA 14:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
[[2005-12-16]]
which is then converted to
2005-12-16 by the mediawiki software. The the html currently created from this (with my personal date setting from "my preferences" - your html might look different) is:<a href="/info/en/?search=December_16" title="December 16">December 16</a>, <a href="/info/en/?search=2005" title="2005">2005</a>
Sorry for having missed it, you indeed had said that already the first time. I agree fully, the template code is not the right place to try to tweak that. Unfortunately, the prefs only let one select from a predefined set of strings, I can't force an nbsp insertion there... Thank you very much for your patient explanations! -- BACbKA 15:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Since each of these is supposed to have an "Accessed on DATE" entry, why don't we include a parameter so we can link to the Internet Archive's abckup of that page at approximately that time? -- maru (talk) contribs 17:20, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. I would like to introduce a move to the new {{ cite web}}. This includes deprecation of web reference and moving all calls to cite web.
Motivation: web reference currently provides both upper and lower case parameters, which is nedlessly complex and brittle. cite web is much simpler as it provides lower case only. cite web is also less likely to break and it is easier to throw in stop-gap measures like weeble code or Wikipedia:hiddenStructure hack if some god should shoot {{ qif}} (See also that never ending story on WP:AUM and user talk:Brion VIBBER#The future of qif. Hopefully we will get a Media-Wiki built-in qif soon).
I have done the same on {{ cite journal}} (replacement for {{ journal reference}}) and I'm still converting {{ book reference}} to {{ cite book}}.
Please note that it is not safe to just throw out the upper case params on web reference, even though nearly all calls already use lower case. We need two templates while doing the move to make sure that no article is hurted. There is no way to tell for sure that each and every article uses only the lower case parameters of web reference.
Per the name: we already have a bunch of cite xxx templates. See category:citation templates.
Thank you for your careful consideration. -- Ligulem 10:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Also, it would be nice if before we move, we discuss some field name changes, such as date and year to accessdate and accessyear (easier to understand their use), and likewise publishyear to year. This won't be hard to do with AWB as part of the move, right? ··gracefool | ☺ 13:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I support the above change as well, makes usage of various cite xxx templates more consistent with each other. -- BACbKA 15:37, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
This template does not allow for the author of the reference to be added to it, which should be part of the template. -- LGagnon 17:46, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
The addition of "Web reference:" to the template seems a bit wrong to me, and does point out a bit of the naming problem of the template. For instance, there is nothing stopping from me from having a URL go to an FTP site and reference some pdf. In that respect, it has nothing to do with the world wide web, and so is misnamed. As such, a "web reference:" may not even point to a web reference! I suggest we remove the phrase and revert to its previous nature. For another thing, it doesn't match the Chicago manual of style. I don't see the reason to talk down to people, and it looks ugly. We don't say "Book reference:" or "Journal Reference:" in the other templates. It's up to the person looking at the reference to be smart enough. There is no reason to talk down to them either "Hey stupid, you're not smart enough to notice the link on the references, so we'll just tell you again". It's redundant, not to mention an inconsistent format for references, and consistency is good. The "Accessed on" implies a web source. At minimum move "web reference" to "Web reference accessed on...", but I'd prefer if it just went away totally. — Ram-Man ( comment) ( talk) 12:27, July 15, 2005 (UTC)
I notice that {{Citenews}} and similar templates have url in lowercase, whereas {{Web reference}} et al. use URL in uppercase; this is a bit annoying when one is entering many different sources. There's probably some other points of departure, and it would be nice if all of these citations eventually conformed to some sort of namespace (like {{Cite news}},{{Cite news author}},{{Cite web}},{{Cite web reference}}). - Kwh 00:38, August 1, 2005 (UTC)
A version with optional parameters has been created as part of consolidation of these templates. Lowercase parameter names are preferred. ( SEWilco 15:52, 9 November 2005 (UTC))
Variants of Template:Web_reference have been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for deletion#Web_reference variations. Thank you.
— ( SEWilco 04:01, 15 November 2005 (UTC))
Modified the template so we don't have multiple useless date links in accessed on thingy. Vsmith 16:21, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
I see the purpose to wikilinking them for user preferences, although there is no actual purpose to wikilinking them. In the future, please do not make threats in edit summaries—it only brings down the quality of Wikipedia. — BRIAN 0918 • 2005-11-23 09:26
Currently, although there are wikilinks, the date in this template does not appear the way it should according to the user preferences. I tried to have a look at the code, but couldn't find anything there, maybe someone more familiar with the code could try to fix that... -- Fritz S. ( Talk) 11:38, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
- {{web reference
| title=My Favorite Things Part II
| url=http://www.example.org
| date=2005-07-06
}}
*{{web reference
| title=My Favorite Things Part II
| url=http://www.example.org
| date=July 6
| year=2005
}}
On 11:07, 23 November 2005 AzaToth contributed the following:
{{{Author|{{{author|}}}}}}{{if
|1={{{PublishYear|{{{publishyear|}}}}}}
|2= ({{{PublishYear|{{{publishyear|}}}}}})
}}{{if
|1={{boolor
|1={{{Author|{{{author|}}}}}}
|2={{{PublishYear|{{{publishyear|}}}}}}
}}
|2=.
}}{{if
|1={{boolnand
|1={{{URL|{{{url|}}}}}}
|2={{{Title|{{{title|}}}}}}
}}
|2=parameter '''url''' and '''title''' is required!
|3=[{{{URL|{{{url}}}}}} {{{Title|{{{title}}}}}}].
}}{{if
|1={{{format|{{{Format|}}}}}}
|2= ({{{Format|{{{format}}}}}})
}}{{if
|1={{{Work|{{{work|}}}}}}
|2=''{{{Work|{{{work}}}}}}''.
}} {{if
|1={{{Publisher|{{{publisher|}}}}}}
|2={{{Publisher|{{{publisher}}}}}}.
}} URL accessed on [[{{{Date|{{{date}}}}}}]] {{if
|1={{{Year|{{{year|}}}}}}
|2=[[{{{Year|{{{year}}}}}}]]
}}.<noinclude>
{{esoteric}}
</noinclude>
I'm just going to revert this right now as I would like to discuss this first. – Ligulem | Talk 14:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
{{web reference|1=John=Doe ...
? –
Ligulem |
Talk
14:44, 23 November 2005 (UTC)|
in it's argument.{{web reference|work=foo publisher=bar}}
will give foo publisher=bar
as value to work. --
AzaToth
talk
14:52, 23 November 2005 (UTC){{web reference|author=John Doe=bar}}
it significantly complicates the template code. The presented solution intelligently solves a nearly inexistent or not so prominent problem. As I understand it, AzaToth's proposal assigns inside the template values to {{web reference|green|blue|gray|author=John Doe....}}
. Just as a not so useful example. –
Ligulem |
Talk
18:15, 23 November 2005 (UTC){{web reference|green|blue|gray|author=John Doe....}}
will be expanded to {{1=web reference|2=green|3=blue|4=gray|author=John Doe....}}
, i.e. if you specified a parameter, it won't be extra expanded. even if you type {{web reference|author=John Doe|green|red}}
it will be expanded to {{1=web reference|author=John Doe|2=green|3=red}}
(see
m:Help:Template#Named vs. numbered parameters) --
AzaToth
talk
18:23, 23 November 2005 (UTC){{web reference|green|blue|gray|author=John Doe....}}
will be expanded to {{web reference|1=green|2=blue|3=gray|author=John Doe....}}
and {{web reference|author=John Doe|green|red}}
it will be expanded to {{web reference|author=John Doe|1=green|2=red}}
. –
Ligulem |
Talk
19:36, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
{{if|1=green|2=blue}}
(A) is equivalent to {{if|green|blue}}
(B) and seems to be the same, but it is not exactly. Because if "green" would be replaced with "==Best color==" then variant (B) does not work as one might expect (See
m:Help:Template#Equals sign in parameter value). In fact, I'm asking myself now, if we just should always use form (A) inside templates for subtemplate calls. –
Ligulem |
Talk
21:30, 23 November 2005 (UTC)Ping pong, a new little template is available now {{ switch}} AzaToth talk 13:07, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I've documented a very strange bug under my user space at User:Ligulem/web reference 2005-11-27-1 (please don't edit there). I invite all to help discuss on the associated talk page. Of course, you may also post here, as you see fit. Thanks! – Ligulem | Talk 10:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
I had this open for reference and edited it by mistake, apologies Hiding talk 08:07, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
See the discussion on Wikipedia_talk:Avoid_using_meta-templates#Logic_templates. – Ligulem | Talk 15:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I propose to do this also here. Admin help needed due to protection. – Ligulem | Talk 08:45, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
{{
Book reference}} encloses its content in an HTML <cite>
element, with an ID attribute formulated with the author's last name and year. This allows an in-text citation to link directly to the bibliographic entry as an anchor.
<cite style="font-style:normal" id="Reference-Smith-2005">[content]</cite>
Web reference needs a required parameter to substitute for the Author's last name in the value of ID. The URL would work, but some URLs are very long and have a lot of irrelevant cruft. Perhaps addition of a required element with a unique part of the reference's domain name would be a suitable substitute, so that a web reference could look like this:
<cite style="font-style:normal" id="Reference-en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Web_reference-2005">[content]</cite>
This template needs the same feature (I'm making use of it in the article "
T-34"). I'd rather someone familiar with it do the coding, but if there's no interest then I could give it a shot. —
Michael
Z. 2005-12-27 23:58 Z
Why is this template blocked? Is there a Wiki policy that is now in place since the markup language became more complex? Thanks, Steven McCrary 17:22, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I agree that {{ web reference}} should include hypertext to allow for linking the notes (at the end) to the reference (in the text). Here is a portion of the markup from {{ note label}} <cite id="endnote_{{{1}}}{{{3}}}"> This addition would eliminate the need to have both {{ note label}} and {{ web reference}}. A one way link is all I am requesting here, i.e. from the reference in the text to the note. The template {{ ref harvard}} includes a link to the notes. A back link is not needed. Thanks, Steven McCrary 15:30, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Note: I have implemented the change at Template:Web reference/dev. Test the development at template:web reference/dev-test. Steven McCrary 21:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
The format of the id should follow the one in {{ book reference}}, starting with "Reference-", and not "endnote_". — Michael Z. 2005-12-30 07:44 Z
Good question! I am a member of that club as well. I have exchanged discussion with Ligulem at Template_talk:Web reference/dev. He is generally against the idea. I have not tried to gather discussion from others; I am not inclined to try to garner support; I do not have the time or the motivation to do so; so right now the proposal is likely to die anyway. SteveMc 22:33, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Can you folks please change
}}{{qif |test={{{Date|{{{date|}}}}}} |then= URL accessed on [[{{{Date|{{{date}}}}}}]]{{qif |test={{{Year|{{{year|}}}}}} |then=, [[{{{Year|{{{year}}}}}}]] }} }}.<noinclude>
over to
}}{{qif |test={{{Date|{{{date|}}}}}} |then= URL accessed on [[{{{Date|{{{date}}}}}}]]{{qif |test={{{Year|{{{year|}}}}}} |then=, [[{{{Year|{{{year}}}}}}]] }} }}.<noinclude>
to prevent an ugly thing like a line beginning like this:
TIA, -- BACbKA 19:59, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Sure thing. See 3D Monster Maze#References, and wiggle the right margin of your browser to make it happen (so that just the right amount of text spills over to the next line in those refs that are web references). -- BACbKA 21:19, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Seen. I think your change would not fix that. for example
*{{note label|WoS-NGS|van der Heide 2005|a}}{{Web reference | author=Martijn van der Heide | title=New Generation Software | url=http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekpub.cgi?regexp=^New+Generation+Software$ | work=Label name information on New Generation Software at the World of Spectrum | publishyear=2005 | date=2005-12-16}}
uses the date
parameter. So year is not set and the line with your is ignored in this case. The date is emited as
2005-12-16 (<-look at the wiki source of this!) by the template and the MediaWiki software translates that on the fly to your preferred date format (which is set in your preferences). Inside that translated date I see no way to influence the line breaking. But I also think it is ok to write the year onto the next line. Did I miss something? (Anyway I go now to bed. Good night! See you tomorrow :-).
Ligulem
00:25, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm probably missing something, but none of the above examples cures the spilled year problem (look at the resulting HTML source --- there's no nbsp before the year). -- BACbKA 11:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought from your later writings that you were going to fix it anyway. My inspiration for a non-breakable space in such places comes from Donald Knuth's The TEXbook. I feel that in the beginning of a line, a number followed by a period looks ugly, and gives an impression of a numbered list item on one's quick scanning of the area (of course, when one reads into the context, and looks at the neighbouring lines, the perception goes away, but the ugliness remains IMHO). I agree that this is not a very high priority thing, but, if at some point, a way to fix it w/o a lot of effort becomes available, I'll be happy. (For the record, bibtex also suffers similar problems :-) ). -- BACbKA 14:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
[[2005-12-16]]
which is then converted to
2005-12-16 by the mediawiki software. The the html currently created from this (with my personal date setting from "my preferences" - your html might look different) is:<a href="/info/en/?search=December_16" title="December 16">December 16</a>, <a href="/info/en/?search=2005" title="2005">2005</a>
Sorry for having missed it, you indeed had said that already the first time. I agree fully, the template code is not the right place to try to tweak that. Unfortunately, the prefs only let one select from a predefined set of strings, I can't force an nbsp insertion there... Thank you very much for your patient explanations! -- BACbKA 15:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Since each of these is supposed to have an "Accessed on DATE" entry, why don't we include a parameter so we can link to the Internet Archive's abckup of that page at approximately that time? -- maru (talk) contribs 17:20, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. I would like to introduce a move to the new {{ cite web}}. This includes deprecation of web reference and moving all calls to cite web.
Motivation: web reference currently provides both upper and lower case parameters, which is nedlessly complex and brittle. cite web is much simpler as it provides lower case only. cite web is also less likely to break and it is easier to throw in stop-gap measures like weeble code or Wikipedia:hiddenStructure hack if some god should shoot {{ qif}} (See also that never ending story on WP:AUM and user talk:Brion VIBBER#The future of qif. Hopefully we will get a Media-Wiki built-in qif soon).
I have done the same on {{ cite journal}} (replacement for {{ journal reference}}) and I'm still converting {{ book reference}} to {{ cite book}}.
Please note that it is not safe to just throw out the upper case params on web reference, even though nearly all calls already use lower case. We need two templates while doing the move to make sure that no article is hurted. There is no way to tell for sure that each and every article uses only the lower case parameters of web reference.
Per the name: we already have a bunch of cite xxx templates. See category:citation templates.
Thank you for your careful consideration. -- Ligulem 10:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
Also, it would be nice if before we move, we discuss some field name changes, such as date and year to accessdate and accessyear (easier to understand their use), and likewise publishyear to year. This won't be hard to do with AWB as part of the move, right? ··gracefool | ☺ 13:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I support the above change as well, makes usage of various cite xxx templates more consistent with each other. -- BACbKA 15:37, 21 February 2006 (UTC)